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password remover

Kerryn Gunness
 


hi
do u all have any password remover, like active@password remover, to work on windows 10?
or can u recommend any software which is use to remove passwords in windows 10?
thanks


Re: win10 classic applications for administration (system activation)

chris miles
 

On 10/06/2018 08:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Narrator?
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@...>
To: "nvda" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 10:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] win10 classic applications for administration (system activation)


Hello,

I know this is win10, the machine is running a new install of 1803. I
am running the latest NVDA so that's why i'm sending this to you,
apologize to those who are on both lists, but I need some help.

Is there a way to get the classic win7 applications back for
administration tasks? I can still go to control panel, find what I
want, hit it, and it brings me in to settings.

I am not a fan of settings, I like it in and of the fact that it
unifies applications, but interacting with some controls really needs
accessibility work, UIA or what it is called.

Here's my problem, fresh install of a machine running 1803 needs
activated. I've got the key, that I didn't have during the install, so
I've gone to settings and tried an activation and have tried through
control panel, which brought me back to the same place.

In both cases NVDA would not read anything on the screen, I have to
enter my product key then go for an online activation. In 7 this went
flawlessly, in 10 I can't even get the key in, let alone activate.

How does one do this?

Thanks.
Dave.







Hi,


Have you heard of "Classic Shell" programme?


After downloading and installing you can tell classic shell to have a Win 7 start menu under Win 10.


You will be able to have all of your items in a tree view and press right arrow to go into it's sub-menu.


To get the Windows update; press Windows plus I for settings; tab once to enter screen; press down arrow and then right arrow to Update/security press enter. Then choose Windows Update. Tab to "check for updates" - enter. You will then be prompted for what items are ready to be downloaded.


Re: accessible money

Gene
 

A note on this topic from the moderator:
I let the topic run because it is of considerable interest and the list allows a certain amount of off topic discussion.  But I now ask that the topic end this evening.  I'll let it run for a number of more hours but I won't let it continue beyond today.  That is, today in my time zone.  So please don't continue the topic later than 0500 UTC, coordinated universal time, which, as far as I know is the same as Greenwich mean time.
 
That will be roughly the end of the day in The United States.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

I didn't say anything about changing the design of bills.  I wrote specifically and only about getting rid of all bills, which is what one member advocated.  I won't comment again but comments have not responded to what I very clearly objected to, the idea that you advbocate an extreme, costly, unnecessary and inconvenient change to benefit a tiny minority.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

I know we, as blind folks, use and do whatever necessary in order to adapt. That’s just a part of living. And so, a money identifier can be a solution. However, in my view, if you need to rely on an electronic device of some kind to recognise currency, that currency is not truly accessible. It’s not exactly a practical solution, in other words, but it’s the best some have got. I would push for a change in the currency itself before trying to instigate an assistive devices programme. I wasn’t involved in the advocacy to do that here; in fact I wasn’t even aware of it until the new bills came about. As far as I know, there was no resentment at all; probably many people in the service industry especially were quite happy because the new money is much easier to handle and doesn’t get crinkled, wet or dirty as easily. We no longer use pennies here, and maybe some people would be surprised at how easy the $1 and $2 coins are to deal with, and how much *less* change you actually have to deal with once pennies are taken out of the equation.

 

I’m not saying anyone else should exactly adopt the Canadian practice, just that something like it can be done, and it works well.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 10, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

you get one and one only--or at least that was what I was told.  After that one breaks (and at some point--even with my custom designed case--that cost another $40 US) they all do.  Then it's $120 US in perpetuity.

 

 

On 6/10/2018 8:01 AM, Gene wrote:

Any blind person who is signed up with the Library for the Blind program in The United States can get the unit you are talking about free. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Yes, you can buy it for a poultry $120 US.  Just how long it will last is anybody's guess.  Mine has lasted me 3 years so far, but in the US more and more each year, if you cant pay, you don't play--no matter how important the issue is.

 

 

On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

 

 

 

 



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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessible money

Gene
 

I didn't say anything about changing the design of bills.  I wrote specifically and only about getting rid of all bills, which is what one member advocated.  I won't comment again but comments have not responded to what I very clearly objected to, the idea that you advbocate an extreme, costly, unnecessary and inconvenient change to benefit a tiny minority.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

I know we, as blind folks, use and do whatever necessary in order to adapt. That’s just a part of living. And so, a money identifier can be a solution. However, in my view, if you need to rely on an electronic device of some kind to recognise currency, that currency is not truly accessible. It’s not exactly a practical solution, in other words, but it’s the best some have got. I would push for a change in the currency itself before trying to instigate an assistive devices programme. I wasn’t involved in the advocacy to do that here; in fact I wasn’t even aware of it until the new bills came about. As far as I know, there was no resentment at all; probably many people in the service industry especially were quite happy because the new money is much easier to handle and doesn’t get crinkled, wet or dirty as easily. We no longer use pennies here, and maybe some people would be surprised at how easy the $1 and $2 coins are to deal with, and how much *less* change you actually have to deal with once pennies are taken out of the equation.

 

I’m not saying anyone else should exactly adopt the Canadian practice, just that something like it can be done, and it works well.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 10, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

you get one and one only--or at least that was what I was told.  After that one breaks (and at some point--even with my custom designed case--that cost another $40 US) they all do.  Then it's $120 US in perpetuity.

 

 

On 6/10/2018 8:01 AM, Gene wrote:

Any blind person who is signed up with the Library for the Blind program in The United States can get the unit you are talking about free. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Yes, you can buy it for a poultry $120 US.  Just how long it will last is anybody's guess.  Mine has lasted me 3 years so far, but in the US more and more each year, if you cant pay, you don't play--no matter how important the issue is.

 

 

On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

 

 

 

 



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessible money

Gene
 

Canada already used coins.  I didn't say anything about whether money should be accessible.  I said that changing to coins is an extreme and completely unnecessary measure and, to a population that routinely uses bills for low denominations, would stir a lot of resentment if we switched to all coins.  I was commenting on the idea, as one list member posed, to switch to all coins. 
 
Gene
----- Orihginal Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

It's true, this subject is off topic for this list, but since it has gone on for as long as it has, and since Gene-USA asked, I'll reply one last time.
The fact is that the US has an obligation to make its money accessible for those of us who cannot see. It has dragged its feet on this however.
Meanwhile, in Canada, just as one example, a combination of raised dots on plasticized paper money and utilization of coins for lower denominations (one and two dollar coins) achieves practical accessibility. In light of this approach in Canada, I have never felt resented when there, and I doubt that others actually living in Canada feel resented for the fact that the money has been made accessible-user-friendly for blind people.
So, yes, you read me accurately, ridiculous is a good word to describe your comment:
Gene <gsasner@...>
 wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 11:12 PM
 
 
 


 
 You are not discussing
 anything.  You are just
 saying you disagree and saying my comments are
 ridiculous.  That is not a
 discussion.  this subject is not at all on topic for
 the list and I won't
 get into a long, involved discussion here.  I will
 discuss it briefly with
 you if you actually discuss the subject.  Why do you
 disagree?  What
 alternatives do you offer?  How do you justify
 completely changing the
 current way of doing things, especially since accessible
 paper money is used in
 other parts of the world? 
  
 Accessibility doesn't
 mean pursuing a disruptive
 alternative when much less disruptive options are
 available.
  
 Gene
 
 ----- Original Message -----
 
 
 From: Laurie
 Mehta via Groups.Io
 
 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:58 AM
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
 money
 
 What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:
 
 Gene
 <gsasner@...>
  wrote,
 in part:
 Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
 create
 
 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
 cause of
 acceptance and integration back
 significantly.
 Gene
 
 --------------------------------------------
 On
 Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>
 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Date:
 Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
  It doesn't
 insult
  anyone.  Coins are not used
  in the ways paper
 money are for a reason.  If blind
  people demand the
 
  elimination of bills, they won't be taken
  seriously. 
 Accessibility doesn't
  mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest
 of
  society.  and replacing
  bills with coins is
 unreasonable. 
   
  Gene
  
  -----
 Original Message -----
  
  
  From: Laurie
  Mehta
 via Groups.Io
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57
 PM
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  
  Subject:
 Re: [nvda] accessible
  money
  
  Gene <gsasner@...>
  wrote, in
 
  part:
  Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule
 will
  create
  enormous ill will toward the recipients and set
 the whole
  cause of acceptance
  and integration back
 significantly.
  Gene
  ---My response:
  I think that
 
  this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of
 almost
  everyone, and it does
  not make sense
 either.
  I am not worried about ill will being spread on
 
  account of me wanting to be sure of what money I
 am
  exchanging with a business.
  
  Canadian money and
 Indian money are reasonably accessible,
  for just two
  examples
 I've used. There is no reason for US money to
  lag in this
 
  respect.
  -LM
  
  --------------------------------------------
  On
 Sat,
  6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>
  
  wrote:
  
   Subject:
 Re: [nvda] accessible money
   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
   Date:
 
  Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40
 PM
   
   
   But using that
 
  argument,
   making money accessible
   when
 it may not be around
  much longer can be argued to
 be
   spending a good deal
   of money
  to
 correct a problem that may not exist so it
   shouldn't be
 done. 
  
   After all, it would be hard to justify
 making a
  building
   wheelchair accessible
 
   if that building were likely
  to be torn down in two
 years
   and it wasn't
   providing an
 
  essential service.
    
   Paper money is
 so much
  more
   convenient than coins,
 
   that that is why it was adopted
  in the first
 place. 
   Accessibility is a
   worthy goal, but
 
  if accessibility is done at the expense of
   what is
 generally a
  
   much better system of doing something for
 people in
  general,
   it's a pyric
 
   victory.  Even if you win, the
  public resentment
 and
   ridicule will create
   enormous ill will
 
  toward the recipients and set the whole
   cause of
 acceptance
  
   and integration back
 
  significantly.
    
   Gene
   
   -----
 Original
 
  Message
   -----
   
   
   From:
 Ron
   Canazzi
  
   Sent: Saturday, June 09,
 2018 7:02 AM
   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
   
   Subject:
 
  Re: [nvda]
 accessible
   money
   
   
   Well,
 we
  wouldn't have to learn any more than 5
 more
   coins.  They could
  
   be
 differently shaped for ease of accessibility. 
  As far
 
  as
   the jingling,
   to be honest, less and
 less people use real
  money any
   more.  So this may
 
   become a moot point
  anyway.  For example, we are
 getting a
   group of
  
   Starbucks's
 restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
  New York
   area
 
  that will accept
   nothing but credit or debit cards. So
 I wonder how
  long
   there will actually be
 
   any so called legal tender any
  more
 anyway.
   
   
   
   On
 6/8/2018
  11:03
   PM, Gene
 wrote:
   
   
     It
 
  isn't
   reasonable to ask that switching to coins
 be
  done. 
  
    
  
     I'll use American denominations in
 
  examples since
   I don't know your
    
 denominations. 
  Who is going to be willing to
 carry
   nothing but
    
  coins? 
 If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
   I'm not
 
  going to
     want to get four coins for dollars and
 two
  quarters,
  a
   dime and a nickel
 
     back.  If I pay for something
  with a ten
 dollar coin and
   I'm owed eight
     dollars and
 
  twenty cents, I am not going to want to
   receive a five
 dollar
  
     coin, three one dollar coins and
 two
  dimes. 
  People
   aren't going to walk
 
     around with lots of heavy
  coins jingling in
 their pockets
   and wearing out the
    
 
  material in their clothes. 
    
  
     and
  think of all the different coins you
 would have
   to learn.  The
  
    
 penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
  dollar,
 
  ten,
   twenty, fifty,
     assuming you
 never have a higher
  denomination. 
    
  
     Gene
    
 
  
     ----- Original Message
 -----
   
    
  
    
 From: Ron
   Canazzi
    
    
 
  Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
   
    
 
  Subject: Re: [nvda]
 accessible
   money
    
 
  
   
     Hi
 Kerryn,
    
   
    
 
  If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad
 to
   switch to all
  coinage
     rather
 than paper money, that would be the
  ideal thing
 
  to
   do.  Most blind
     people
 here in the United
  States have no difficulty
 with
   coinage.  The
    
  pennies,
 nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
   rimmed and of
 
  
     different sizes and weights.  In
 the
  United States,
  we
   like our paper
 
     money.  There was great
  resistance to any
 change for
   large denominations
     than
 
  quarters.  However in a smaller country
 like
   Trinidad, you might
  
     have
 less resistance.  Good luck.
    
 
  
   
   
     On 6/8/2018
 8:29
   PM, Kerryn
  Gunness via Groups.Io
 
     wrote:
   
    
 
  
      
      
 hi
  
       we in trinidad would like to
 make
  our
  money
   accessible to our blind or
 
      
  visually  impaired
 persons
       what guidelines we
  should
 work with as to approach
   the powers that be,
 
  
       in our meeting on tuesday
 12th
  june, in having
  this
   done, in terms
 of
       technology, tack
  tile immages
 etc
       thanks
      
 
   
   --
   They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I
 say Yes.
   They
  ask: "How Happy are
 You?"
   I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
  chimpanzee on
 a
   banana boat!"
   --
   They Ask Me If
 I'm
  Happy; I say Yes.
   They ask: "How Happy are
 You?"
   I Say: "I'm
  as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on
 a
   banana
 
  boat!"
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




Re: accessible money

Gene
 

They are very sturdy in my experience.  I owned one before free distribution began so I don't knoe if they have changed in their design. 
 
It may be that you only get one but I'd want to check that  because it doesn't sound reasonable.  It's as though you only got one digital play machine from the Library of Congress. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

you get one and one only--or at least that was what I was told.  After that one breaks (and at some point--even with my custom designed case--that cost another $40 US) they all do.  Then it's $120 US in perpetuity.



On 6/10/2018 8:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Any blind person who is signed up with the Library for the Blind program in The United States can get the unit you are talking about free. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

Yes, you can buy it for a poultry $120 US.  Just how long it will last is anybody's guess.  Mine has lasted me 3 years so far, but in the US more and more each year, if you cant pay, you don't play--no matter how important the issue is.



On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

 

 

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: nvda latest snapshots and nvdaremote

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/remote-2.1wxPy4.nvda-addon

this should fix it, made by Joseph

 

Cheers,

   Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mattias
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Juni 2018 19:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda latest snapshots and nvdaremote

 

Dont play nice:

ERROR - globalPluginHandler.initialize (16:00:04.299):

Error initializing global plugin <class 'globalPlugins.remoteClient.GlobalPlugin'>

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "globalPluginHandler.pyc", line 32, in initialize

  File "C:\Users\mj\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 56, in __init__

  File "C:\Users\mj\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 104, in create_menu

AttributeError: 'MenuItem' object has no attribute 'SetCheckable'

INFO - core.main (16:00:05.092):

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 


Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

I ended up concluding that it's a problem from Mobile Facebook page.
I've tested it on other websites and surprisingly this doesn't happen.
Out of the mentioned page, it's alright.
Em 10/06/2018 13:29, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

So are you saying that only in brose mode you can hear the �radio buttons. I think this was also the case on a job application I was reading as well. I had to go into browse mode to check but that was maybe a month ago. I just never �thought about it as I am always in browse mode when trying to fill out forms and stuff.

On Jun 10, 2018, at 1:24 AM, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

Strange. Maybe it's happening only with me?...

Em 10/06/2018 05:17, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
Yes, the mobile interface (m.facebook.com).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Actually, I only can check/uncheck one of those buttons if �I'm with the browse mode. With the focus mode I can do nothing about it.
You're using m.facebook as I said?
Em 10/06/2018 04:56, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
So when I try to delete a post with Firefox, when I press Enter on the radio button, NVDA switches me to focus mode and I can then use up and down arrow keys to select a different radio button. NVDA announces selection status as it should. This was also observed with Internet Explorer.
I get a feeling that, perhaps with browse mode, radio button selection status isn't announced right. Is this correct? If so, and if other folks can reproduce this with 2018.1.x:
* If this happens with 2018.1.x as well, then this is either differences in rendering engines, or Facebook made a server-side change.
* If this problem does not happen with 2018.1.x, then it might be 2018.2 issue.
Note that I'm testing these scenarios with latest NVDA next snapshots running on Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Hi,
Okay, we're getting somewhere. Can someone try to reproduce this, and if possible, with other web browsers such as IE, Chrome, and Edge please? Once we get folks to try and reproduce this, we'll know if this is an NVDA regression, browser rendering differences, or something else.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it.
Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ���ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio

































nvda latest snapshots and nvdaremote

mattias
 

Dont play nice:

ERROR - globalPluginHandler.initialize (16:00:04.299):

Error initializing global plugin <class 'globalPlugins.remoteClient.GlobalPlugin'>

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "globalPluginHandler.pyc", line 32, in initialize

  File "C:\Users\mj\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 56, in __init__

  File "C:\Users\mj\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 104, in create_menu

AttributeError: 'MenuItem' object has no attribute 'SetCheckable'

INFO - core.main (16:00:05.092):

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 


Re: accessible money

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I think sighted people generally like the new money. My partner, who is from the uS, also pointed out when we were talking about this just now, that the Canadian denominations were also of different colours, which benefits especially those who are elderly and/or have weaker, but still usable, vision.

I wouldn't normally say anything, but since I am in the US a lot (they are our neighbours after all), I think it'll be a great day when Americans push for currency change. I agree with Jean that a switch to a cashless society is not such a great idea, despite the fact that it (for now) seems to be working in some countries -- it's not something I personally would be happy with and as a lot of the stuff I deal with daily is cash only, the kind of changes required would seem to be prohibitive. On the other hand, stop making the old bills in favour of newer, better ones, and eventually, the old ones will fade away. It's not hard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: June 10, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

I live in Canada.
Laurie is correct. Our money is totally accessible unless you are blind and have no sense of touch.
The majority of sighted Canadians are not even aware of the tactile markings on the folding money.
Any time I have pointed out the tactile features of the bills, most sighted people think it is neat.
Wake up! Grow up! USA


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: June-10-18 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

It's true, this subject is off topic for this list, but since it has gone on for as long as it has, and since Gene-USA asked, I'll reply one last time.
The fact is that the US has an obligation to make its money accessible for those of us who cannot see. It has dragged its feet on this however.
Meanwhile, in Canada, just as one example, a combination of raised dots on plasticized paper money and utilization of coins for lower denominations (one and two dollar coins) achieves practical accessibility. In light of this approach in Canada, I have never felt resented when there, and I doubt that others actually living in Canada feel resented for the fact that the money has been made accessible-user-friendly for blind people.
So, yes, you read me accurately, ridiculous is a good word to describe your comment:
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 11:12 PM






You are not discussing
anything. You are just
saying you disagree and saying my comments are ridiculous. That is not a discussion. this subject is not at all on topic for the list and I won't get into a long, involved discussion here. I will discuss it briefly with you if you actually discuss the subject. Why do you disagree? What alternatives do you offer? How do you justify completely changing the current way of doing things, especially since accessible paper money is used in other parts of the world?

Accessibility doesn't
mean pursuing a disruptive
alternative when much less disruptive options are available.

Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Laurie
Mehta via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money

What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:

Gene
<gsasner@...>
wrote,
in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create

enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------
On
Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>

wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date:
Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
It doesn't
insult
anyone. Coins are not used
in the ways paper
money are for a reason. If blind
people demand the

elimination of bills, they won't be taken
seriously.
Accessibility doesn't
mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest of
society. and replacing
bills with coins is
unreasonable.

Gene

-----
Original Message -----


From: Laurie
Mehta
via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57
PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible
money

Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in

part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule
will
create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set
the whole
cause of acceptance
and integration back
significantly.
Gene
---My response:
I think that

this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of
almost
everyone, and it does
not make sense
either.
I am not worried about ill will being spread on

account of me wanting to be sure of what money I
am
exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and
Indian money are reasonably accessible,
for just two
examples
I've used. There is no reason for US money to
lag in this

respect.
-LM

--------------------------------------------
On
Sat,
6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>

wrote:

Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date:

Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40
PM


But using that

argument,
making money accessible
when
it may not be around
much longer can be argued to
be
spending a good deal
of money
to
correct a problem that may not exist so it
shouldn't be
done.

After all, it would be hard to justify
making a
building
wheelchair accessible

if that building were likely
to be torn down in two
years
and it wasn't
providing an

essential service.

Paper money is
so much
more
convenient than coins,

that that is why it was adopted
in the first
place.
Accessibility is a
worthy goal, but

if accessibility is done at the expense of
what is
generally a

much better system of doing something for
people in
general,
it's a pyric

victory. Even if you win, the
public resentment
and
ridicule will create
enormous ill will

toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of
acceptance

and integration back

significantly.

Gene

-----
Original

Message
-----


From:
Ron
Canazzi

Sent: Saturday, June 09,
2018 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:

Re: [nvda]
accessible
money


Well,
we
wouldn't have to learn any more than 5
more
coins. They could

be
differently shaped for ease of accessibility.
As far

as
the jingling,
to be honest, less and
less people use real
money any
more. So this may

become a moot point
anyway. For example, we are
getting a
group of

Starbucks's
restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
New York
area

that will accept
nothing but credit or debit cards. So
I wonder how
long
there will actually be

any so called legal tender any
more
anyway.



On
6/8/2018
11:03
PM, Gene
wrote:


It

isn't
reasonable to ask that switching to coins
be
done.



I'll use American denominations in

examples since
I don't know your

denominations.
Who is going to be willing to
carry
nothing but

coins?
If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
I'm not

going to
want to get four coins for dollars and
two
quarters,
a
dime and a nickel

back. If I pay for something
with a ten
dollar coin and
I'm owed eight
dollars and

twenty cents, I am not going to want to
receive a five
dollar

coin, three one dollar coins and
two
dimes.
People
aren't going to walk

around with lots of heavy
coins jingling in
their pockets
and wearing out the


material in their clothes.


and
think of all the different coins you
would have
to learn. The


penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
dollar,

ten,
twenty, fifty,
assuming you
never have a higher
denomination.


Gene



----- Original Message
-----




From: Ron
Canazzi



Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io



Subject: Re: [nvda]
accessible
money




Hi
Kerryn,




If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad
to
switch to all
coinage
rather
than paper money, that would be the
ideal thing

to
do. Most blind
people
here in the United
States have no difficulty
with
coinage. The

pennies,
nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
rimmed and of


different sizes and weights. In
the
United States,
we
like our paper

money. There was great
resistance to any
change for
large denominations
than

quarters. However in a smaller country
like
Trinidad, you might

have
less resistance. Good luck.





On 6/8/2018
8:29
PM, Kerryn
Gunness via Groups.Io

wrote:






hi

we in trinidad would like to
make
our
money
accessible to our blind or


visually impaired
persons
what guidelines we
should
work with as to approach
the powers that be,


in our meeting on tuesday
12th
june, in having
this
done, in terms
of
technology, tack
tile immages
etc
thanks



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I
say Yes.
They
ask: "How Happy are
You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
chimpanzee on
a
banana boat!"
--
They Ask Me If
I'm
Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are
You?"
I Say: "I'm
as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on
a
banana

boat!"


Re: accessible money

Monte Single
 

I live in Canada.
Laurie is correct. Our money is totally accessible unless you are blind and have no sense of touch.
The majority of sighted Canadians are not even aware of the tactile markings on the folding money.
Any time I have pointed out the tactile features of the bills, most sighted people think it is neat.
Wake up! Grow up! USA

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: June-10-18 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

It's true, this subject is off topic for this list, but since it has gone on for as long as it has, and since Gene-USA asked, I'll reply one last time.
The fact is that the US has an obligation to make its money accessible for those of us who cannot see. It has dragged its feet on this however.
Meanwhile, in Canada, just as one example, a combination of raised dots on plasticized paper money and utilization of coins for lower denominations (one and two dollar coins) achieves practical accessibility. In light of this approach in Canada, I have never felt resented when there, and I doubt that others actually living in Canada feel resented for the fact that the money has been made accessible-user-friendly for blind people.
So, yes, you read me accurately, ridiculous is a good word to describe your comment:
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 11:12 PM






You are not discussing
anything. You are just
saying you disagree and saying my comments are
ridiculous. That is not a
discussion. this subject is not at all on topic for
the list and I won't
get into a long, involved discussion here. I will
discuss it briefly with
you if you actually discuss the subject. Why do you
disagree? What
alternatives do you offer? How do you justify
completely changing the
current way of doing things, especially since accessible
paper money is used in
other parts of the world?

Accessibility doesn't
mean pursuing a disruptive
alternative when much less disruptive options are
available.

Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Laurie
Mehta via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money

What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:

Gene
<gsasner@...>
wrote,
in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
create

enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of
acceptance and integration back
significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------
On
Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>

wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date:
Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
It doesn't
insult
anyone. Coins are not used
in the ways paper
money are for a reason. If blind
people demand the

elimination of bills, they won't be taken
seriously.
Accessibility doesn't
mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest
of
society. and replacing
bills with coins is
unreasonable.

Gene

-----
Original Message -----


From: Laurie
Mehta
via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57
PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible
money

Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in

part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule
will
create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set
the whole
cause of acceptance
and integration back
significantly.
Gene
---My response:
I think that

this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of
almost
everyone, and it does
not make sense
either.
I am not worried about ill will being spread on

account of me wanting to be sure of what money I
am
exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and
Indian money are reasonably accessible,
for just two
examples
I've used. There is no reason for US money to
lag in this

respect.
-LM

--------------------------------------------
On
Sat,
6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>

wrote:

Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date:

Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40
PM


But using that

argument,
making money accessible
when
it may not be around
much longer can be argued to
be
spending a good deal
of money
to
correct a problem that may not exist so it
shouldn't be
done.

After all, it would be hard to justify
making a
building
wheelchair accessible

if that building were likely
to be torn down in two
years
and it wasn't
providing an

essential service.

Paper money is
so much
more
convenient than coins,

that that is why it was adopted
in the first
place.
Accessibility is a
worthy goal, but

if accessibility is done at the expense of
what is
generally a

much better system of doing something for
people in
general,
it's a pyric

victory. Even if you win, the
public resentment
and
ridicule will create
enormous ill will

toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of
acceptance

and integration back

significantly.

Gene

-----
Original

Message
-----


From:
Ron
Canazzi

Sent: Saturday, June 09,
2018 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:

Re: [nvda]
accessible
money


Well,
we
wouldn't have to learn any more than 5
more
coins. They could

be
differently shaped for ease of accessibility.
As far

as
the jingling,
to be honest, less and
less people use real
money any
more. So this may

become a moot point
anyway. For example, we are
getting a
group of

Starbucks's
restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
New York
area

that will accept
nothing but credit or debit cards. So
I wonder how
long
there will actually be

any so called legal tender any
more
anyway.



On
6/8/2018
11:03
PM, Gene
wrote:


It

isn't
reasonable to ask that switching to coins
be
done.



I'll use American denominations in

examples since
I don't know your

denominations.
Who is going to be willing to
carry
nothing but

coins?
If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
I'm not

going to
want to get four coins for dollars and
two
quarters,
a
dime and a nickel

back. If I pay for something
with a ten
dollar coin and
I'm owed eight
dollars and

twenty cents, I am not going to want to
receive a five
dollar

coin, three one dollar coins and
two
dimes.
People
aren't going to walk

around with lots of heavy
coins jingling in
their pockets
and wearing out the


material in their clothes.


and
think of all the different coins you
would have
to learn. The


penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
dollar,

ten,
twenty, fifty,
assuming you
never have a higher
denomination.


Gene



----- Original Message
-----




From: Ron
Canazzi



Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io



Subject: Re: [nvda]
accessible
money




Hi
Kerryn,




If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad
to
switch to all
coinage
rather
than paper money, that would be the
ideal thing

to
do. Most blind
people
here in the United
States have no difficulty
with
coinage. The

pennies,
nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
rimmed and of


different sizes and weights. In
the
United States,
we
like our paper

money. There was great
resistance to any
change for
large denominations
than

quarters. However in a smaller country
like
Trinidad, you might

have
less resistance. Good luck.





On 6/8/2018
8:29
PM, Kerryn
Gunness via Groups.Io

wrote:






hi

we in trinidad would like to
make
our
money
accessible to our blind or


visually impaired
persons
what guidelines we
should
work with as to approach
the powers that be,


in our meeting on tuesday
12th
june, in having
this
done, in terms
of
technology, tack
tile immages
etc
thanks



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They
ask: "How Happy are
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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
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Happy; I say Yes.
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Re: accessible money

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I know we, as blind folks, use and do whatever necessary in order to adapt. That’s just a part of living. And so, a money identifier can be a solution. However, in my view, if you need to rely on an electronic device of some kind to recognise currency, that currency is not truly accessible. It’s not exactly a practical solution, in other words, but it’s the best some have got. I would push for a change in the currency itself before trying to instigate an assistive devices programme. I wasn’t involved in the advocacy to do that here; in fact I wasn’t even aware of it until the new bills came about. As far as I know, there was no resentment at all; probably many people in the service industry especially were quite happy because the new money is much easier to handle and doesn’t get crinkled, wet or dirty as easily. We no longer use pennies here, and maybe some people would be surprised at how easy the $1 and $2 coins are to deal with, and how much *less* change you actually have to deal with once pennies are taken out of the equation.

 

I’m not saying anyone else should exactly adopt the Canadian practice, just that something like it can be done, and it works well.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 10, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

you get one and one only--or at least that was what I was told.  After that one breaks (and at some point--even with my custom designed case--that cost another $40 US) they all do.  Then it's $120 US in perpetuity.

 

 

On 6/10/2018 8:01 AM, Gene wrote:

Any blind person who is signed up with the Library for the Blind program in The United States can get the unit you are talking about free. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Yes, you can buy it for a poultry $120 US.  Just how long it will last is anybody's guess.  Mine has lasted me 3 years so far, but in the US more and more each year, if you cant pay, you don't play--no matter how important the issue is.

 

 

On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

 

 

 

 



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: braille modes

Brice Mijares
 

Joseph, the problem went away after rebooting my laptop. If it happens again, I'll tap my control keys. Thanks for the suggestion.

On 6/10/2018 9:40 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Looks like somehow Control key got stuck. Try pressing and releasing Control key alone.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:15 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] braille modes
A few minutes ago, I went to check the time insert F-12 and no response, then I hit NVDA key N, no response. then I hit insert T to see where I was, no response. insert T had 3 types of braille modes. At this point I hit insert Q to unload NVDA and that did not work, so I had to reboot my system. What to I do in the future should this happen again? Thank You.


Re: NVDA Command to Label Graphics

Mallard
 

Miss it too!!!!!!

Il 10/06/2018 17:28, Ralf Kefferpuetz ha scritto:

That’s not possible with NVDA right now, although I miss it lots…

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Tanner
*Sent:* Sonntag, 10. Juni 2018 16:45
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Command to Label Graphics

A friend of mine asked me if there is a way with NVDA to label a graphic such as is possible with Jaws.  I am not aware of a way to do this, and didn’t find a place in the user guide that mentioned it, but maybe I just missed it.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


Re: braille modes

 

Hi,
Looks like somehow Control key got stuck. Try pressing and releasing Control key alone.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:15 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] braille modes

A few minutes ago, I went to check the time insert F-12 and no response, then I hit NVDA key N, no response. then I hit insert T to see where I was, no response. insert T had 3 types of braille modes. At this point I hit insert Q to unload NVDA and that did not work, so I had to reboot my system. What to I do in the future should this happen again? Thank You.


Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

So are you saying that only in brose mode you can hear the  radio buttons. I think this was also the case on a job application I was reading as well. I had to go into browse mode to check but that was maybe a month ago. I just never  thought about it as I am always in browse mode when trying to fill out forms and stuff.

On Jun 10, 2018, at 1:24 AM, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

Strange. Maybe it's happening only with me?...

Em 10/06/2018 05:17, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
Yes, the mobile interface (m.facebook.com).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Actually, I only can check/uncheck one of those buttons if  I'm with the browse mode. With the focus mode I can do nothing about it.
You're using m.facebook as I said?
Em 10/06/2018 04:56, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
So when I try to delete a post with Firefox, when I press Enter on the radio button, NVDA switches me to focus mode and I can then use up and down arrow keys to select a different radio button. NVDA announces selection status as it should. This was also observed with Internet Explorer.
I get a feeling that, perhaps with browse mode, radio button selection status isn't announced right. Is this correct? If so, and if other folks can reproduce this with 2018.1.x:
* If this happens with 2018.1.x as well, then this is either differences in rendering engines, or Facebook made a server-side change.
* If this problem does not happen with 2018.1.x, then it might be 2018.2 issue.
Note that I'm testing these scenarios with latest NVDA next snapshots running on Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Hi,
Okay, we're getting somewhere. Can someone try to reproduce this, and if possible, with other web browsers such as IE, Chrome, and Edge please? Once we get folks to try and reproduce this, we'll know if this is an NVDA regression, browser rendering differences, or something else.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it.
Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo    ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio
































Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Is this on a website? Or an app? I don't think I'm having the issue, but I hardly if ever go into windows anymore.

On Jun 10, 2018, at 12:21 AM, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio



Re: accessible money

Laurie Mehta
 

It's true, this subject is off topic for this list, but since it has gone on for as long as it has, and since Gene-USA asked, I'll reply one last time.
The fact is that the US has an obligation to make its money accessible for those of us who cannot see. It has dragged its feet on this however.
Meanwhile, in Canada, just as one example, a combination of raised dots on plasticized paper money and utilization of coins for lower denominations (one and two dollar coins) achieves practical accessibility. In light of this approach in Canada, I have never felt resented when there, and I doubt that others actually living in Canada feel resented for the fact that the money has been made accessible-user-friendly for blind people.
So, yes, you read me accurately, ridiculous is a good word to describe your comment:
Gene <gsasner@...>
 wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene
--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 11:12 PM






You are not discussing
anything.  You are just
saying you disagree and saying my comments are
ridiculous.  That is not a
discussion.  this subject is not at all on topic for
the list and I won't
get into a long, involved discussion here.  I will
discuss it briefly with
you if you actually discuss the subject.  Why do you
disagree?  What
alternatives do you offer?  How do you justify
completely changing the
current way of doing things, especially since accessible
paper money is used in
other parts of the world? 
 
Accessibility doesn't
mean pursuing a disruptive
alternative when much less disruptive options are
available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Laurie
Mehta via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money

What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:

Gene
<gsasner@...>
 wrote,
in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
create

enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of
acceptance and integration back
significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------
On
Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>

wrote:

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 Date:
Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
 It doesn't
insult
 anyone.  Coins are not used
 in the ways paper
money are for a reason.  If blind
 people demand the

 elimination of bills, they won't be taken
 seriously. 
Accessibility doesn't
 mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest
of
 society.  and replacing
 bills with coins is
unreasonable. 
  
 Gene
 
 -----
Original Message -----
 
 
 From: Laurie
 Mehta
via Groups.Io
 
 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57
PM
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
 Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible
 money
 
 Gene <gsasner@...>
 wrote, in

 part:
 Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule
will
 create
 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set
the whole
 cause of acceptance
 and integration back
significantly.
 Gene
 ---My response:
 I think that

 this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of
almost
 everyone, and it does
 not make sense
either.
 I am not worried about ill will being spread on

 account of me wanting to be sure of what money I
am
 exchanging with a business.
 
 Canadian money and
Indian money are reasonably accessible,
 for just two
 examples
I've used. There is no reason for US money to
 lag in this

 respect.
 -LM
 
 --------------------------------------------
 On
Sat,
 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>
 
 wrote:
 
  Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible money
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Date:

 Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40
PM
  
  
  But using that

 argument,
  making money accessible
  when
it may not be around
 much longer can be argued to
be
  spending a good deal
  of money
 to
correct a problem that may not exist so it
  shouldn't be
done. 
 
  After all, it would be hard to justify
making a
 building
  wheelchair accessible

  if that building were likely
 to be torn down in two
years
  and it wasn't
  providing an

 essential service.
   
  Paper money is
so much
 more
  convenient than coins,

  that that is why it was adopted
 in the first
place. 
  Accessibility is a
  worthy goal, but

 if accessibility is done at the expense of
  what is
generally a
 
  much better system of doing something for
people in
 general,
  it's a pyric

  victory.  Even if you win, the
 public resentment
and
  ridicule will create
  enormous ill will

 toward the recipients and set the whole
  cause of
acceptance
 
  and integration back

 significantly.
   
  Gene
  
  -----
Original

 Message
  -----
  
  
  From:
Ron
  Canazzi
 
  Sent: Saturday, June 09,
2018 7:02 AM
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  
  Subject:

 Re: [nvda]
accessible
  money
  
  
  Well,
we
 wouldn't have to learn any more than 5
more
  coins.  They could
 
  be
differently shaped for ease of accessibility. 
 As far

 as
  the jingling,
  to be honest, less and
less people use real
 money any
  more.  So this may

  become a moot point
 anyway.  For example, we are
getting a
  group of
 
  Starbucks's
restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
 New York
  area

 that will accept
  nothing but credit or debit cards. So
I wonder how
 long
  there will actually be

  any so called legal tender any
 more
anyway.
  
  
  
  On
6/8/2018
 11:03
  PM, Gene
wrote:
  
  
    It

 isn't
  reasonable to ask that switching to coins
be
 done. 
 
   
 
    I'll use American denominations in

 examples since
  I don't know your
   
denominations. 
 Who is going to be willing to
carry
  nothing but
   
 coins? 
If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
  I'm not

 going to
    want to get four coins for dollars and
two
 quarters,
 a
  dime and a nickel

    back.  If I pay for something
 with a ten
dollar coin and
  I'm owed eight
    dollars and

 twenty cents, I am not going to want to
  receive a five
dollar
 
    coin, three one dollar coins and
two
 dimes. 
 People
  aren't going to walk

    around with lots of heavy
 coins jingling in
their pockets
  and wearing out the
   

 material in their clothes. 
   
 
    and
 think of all the different coins you
would have
  to learn.  The
 
   
penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
 dollar,

 ten,
  twenty, fifty,
    assuming you
never have a higher
 denomination. 
   
 
    Gene
   

 
    ----- Original Message
-----
  
   
 
   
From: Ron
  Canazzi
   
   

 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  
   

 Subject: Re: [nvda]
accessible
  money
   

 
  
    Hi
Kerryn,
   
  
   

 If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad
to
  switch to all
 coinage
    rather
than paper money, that would be the
 ideal thing

 to
  do.  Most blind
    people
here in the United
 States have no difficulty
with
  coinage.  The
   
 pennies,
nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
  rimmed and of

 
    different sizes and weights.  In
the
 United States,
 we
  like our paper

    money.  There was great
 resistance to any
change for
  large denominations
    than

 quarters.  However in a smaller country
like
  Trinidad, you might
 
    have
less resistance.  Good luck.
   

 
  
  
    On 6/8/2018
8:29
  PM, Kerryn
 Gunness via Groups.Io

    wrote:
  
   

 
     
     
hi
 
      we in trinidad would like to
make
 our
 money
  accessible to our blind or

     
 visually  impaired
persons
      what guidelines we
 should
work with as to approach
  the powers that be,

 
      in our meeting on tuesday
12th
 june, in having
 this
  done, in terms
of
      technology, tack
 tile immages
etc
      thanks
     

  
  --
  They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I
say Yes.
  They
 ask: "How Happy are
You?"
  I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
 chimpanzee on
a
  banana boat!"
  --
  They Ask Me If
I'm
 Happy; I say Yes.
  They ask: "How Happy are
You?"
  I Say: "I'm
 as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on
a
  banana

 boat!"


Re: accessible money

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

I think the device is only U.S. becase when the U.S. mint makes the bills the paper has little bar codes on the edge.  The device I got cost a hundred dollars.  There might be more devices like the one I have, don’t know!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

hi all

thanks again

kevin, do you no the cost of the device? also how does one allow the device to recognise their contry's currency?

thanks

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin

Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 11:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Command to Label Graphics

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

That’s not possible with NVDA right now, although I miss it lots…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Tanner
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Juni 2018 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Command to Label Graphics

 

A friend of mine asked me if there is a way with NVDA to label a graphic such as is possible with Jaws.  I am not aware of a way to do this, and didn’t find a place in the user guide that mentioned it, but maybe I just missed it.

 

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.