Date   

Re: Bookmarks in other browsers

 

This seems to be a response to the topic, 
JAWS and Google Chrome
, that appears in the JAWS for Windows group.

I have no idea what it is that I said about the default behavior of bookmarks manager in either Firefox or Chrome that is incorrect.  Much of what is said here, though not all of it, is present, but not spelled out to the letter, in my original response.

Oddly enough, the original questioner does not appear to be a group member and I have no idea if they have ever read the response I made.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 


NVDA Command to Label Graphics

David Tanner
 

A friend of mine asked me if there is a way with NVDA to label a graphic such as is possible with Jaws.  I am not aware of a way to do this, and didn’t find a place in the user guide that mentioned it, but maybe I just missed it.

 

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

 


Re: how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic out of graphic?

 

can you please tell me exactly which item should i change?
i unchecked all items in document formatting except page number and comment!

On 6/10/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Sorry! It is on Document formating...

Rui


Às 15:02 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:
which item in brows mode should i change that not hear graphic anymore?
i did not find in brows mode or in other preferences one option
related to graphic, so i decided to ask here.

On 6/10/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
NVDA menu, Preferences, Browse mode...

Rui


Às 14:44 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:
hello every one.
like gene, recently i changed my mind and decided to give chrome a try.
it is very greater than firefox in stability, speed, and handling big
and dynamic web pages like quora which i subscribed and answered
hundreds of questions.
however, when nvda sees a title or the name of one person, first says
graphic, graphic and when i navigate by word nvda says graphic and out
of graphic!
i dont want to hear graphic at all!
what should i do in nvda to achieve this?
it even says
graphic sometimes both before and after the names!
for example: graphic zahra, zahra graphic.
i realy hate hearing anything except the content that i read or want
to interact with.
thanks so much for any help, God bless all!




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


braille modes

Brice Mijares
 

A few minutes ago, I went to check the time insert F-12 and no response, then I hit NVDA key N, no response. then I hit insert T to see where I was, no response. insert T had 3 types of braille modes. At this point I hit insert Q to unload NVDA and that did not work, so I had to reboot my system. What to I do in the future should this happen again? Thank You.


Re: how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic out of graphic?

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry! It is on Document formating...

Rui


Às 15:02 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:

which item in brows mode should i change that not hear graphic anymore?
i did not find in brows mode or in other preferences one option
related to graphic, so i decided to ask here.
On 6/10/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
NVDA menu, Preferences, Browse mode...

Rui


Às 14:44 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:
hello every one.
like gene, recently i changed my mind and decided to give chrome a try.
it is very greater than firefox in stability, speed, and handling big
and dynamic web pages like quora which i subscribed and answered
hundreds of questions.
however, when nvda sees a title or the name of one person, first says
graphic, graphic and when i navigate by word nvda says graphic and out
of graphic!
i dont want to hear graphic at all!
what should i do in nvda to achieve this?
it even says
graphic sometimes both before and after the names!
for example: graphic zahra, zahra graphic.
i realy hate hearing anything except the content that i read or want
to interact with.
thanks so much for any help, God bless all!



Re: how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic out of graphic?

 

which item in brows mode should i change that not hear graphic anymore?
i did not find in brows mode or in other preferences one option
related to graphic, so i decided to ask here.

On 6/10/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
NVDA menu, Preferences, Browse mode...

Rui


Às 14:44 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:
hello every one.
like gene, recently i changed my mind and decided to give chrome a try.
it is very greater than firefox in stability, speed, and handling big
and dynamic web pages like quora which i subscribed and answered
hundreds of questions.
however, when nvda sees a title or the name of one person, first says
graphic, graphic and when i navigate by word nvda says graphic and out
of graphic!
i dont want to hear graphic at all!
what should i do in nvda to achieve this?
it even says
graphic sometimes both before and after the names!
for example: graphic zahra, zahra graphic.
i realy hate hearing anything except the content that i read or want
to interact with.
thanks so much for any help, God bless all!


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic out of graphic?

Rui Fontes
 

NVDA menu, Preferences, Browse mode...

Rui


Às 14:44 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:

hello every one.
like gene, recently i changed my mind and decided to give chrome a try.
it is very greater than firefox in stability, speed, and handling big
and dynamic web pages like quora which i subscribed and answered
hundreds of questions.
however, when nvda sees a title or the name of one person, first says
graphic, graphic and when i navigate by word nvda says graphic and out
of graphic!
i dont want to hear graphic at all!
what should i do in nvda to achieve this?
it even says
graphic sometimes both before and after the names!
for example: graphic zahra, zahra graphic.
i realy hate hearing anything except the content that i read or want
to interact with.
thanks so much for any help, God bless all!


Re: accessible money

Rui Fontes
 

Excuse me, but if you must buy a device to read the bills value, the money bills are not accessible...

Rui Fontes

On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

*From: *Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <mailto:lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] accessible money

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done.

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place.

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done.

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes.

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination.

   Gene

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

   Hi Kerryn,

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic out of graphic?

 

hello every one.
like gene, recently i changed my mind and decided to give chrome a try.
it is very greater than firefox in stability, speed, and handling big
and dynamic web pages like quora which i subscribed and answered
hundreds of questions.
however, when nvda sees a title or the name of one person, first says
graphic, graphic and when i navigate by word nvda says graphic and out
of graphic!
i dont want to hear graphic at all!
what should i do in nvda to achieve this?
it even says
graphic sometimes both before and after the names!
for example: graphic zahra, zahra graphic.
i realy hate hearing anything except the content that i read or want
to interact with.
thanks so much for any help, God bless all!
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: accessible money

Lenron
 

I heard talk that smart phones are pricey not really. You could get a
cheap device for less than 100 bucks, some might not want to learn a
smart phone but yeah. You can even get a plan for less than 50
dollars, if you live in the states anyays.

On 6/10/18, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
you get one and one only--or at least that was what I was told. After
that one breaks (and at some point--even with my custom designed
case--that cost another $40 US) they all do.  Then it's $120 US in
perpetuity.



On 6/10/2018 8:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Any blind person who is signed up with the Library for the Blind
program in The United States can get the unit you are talking about free.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:36 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible money

Yes, you can buy it for a poultry $120 US.  Just how long it will last
is anybody's guess.  Mine has lasted me 3 years so far, but in the US
more and more each year, if you cant pay, you don't play--no matter
how important the issue is.



On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that
you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are
two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what
denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

*From: *Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
<mailto:lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] accessible money

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of
acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of
almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting
to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just
two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in
this respect.

-LM

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done.

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place.

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done.

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes.

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination.

   Gene

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

   Hi Kerryn,

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: accessible money

Ron Canazzi
 

you get one and one only--or at least that was what I was told.  After that one breaks (and at some point--even with my custom designed case--that cost another $40 US) they all do.  Then it's $120 US in perpetuity.



On 6/10/2018 8:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Any blind person who is signed up with the Library for the Blind program in The United States can get the unit you are talking about free. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

Yes, you can buy it for a poultry $120 US.  Just how long it will last is anybody's guess.  Mine has lasted me 3 years so far, but in the US more and more each year, if you cant pay, you don't play--no matter how important the issue is.



On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

 

 

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessible money

Kerryn Gunness
 


hi all
thanks again
kevin, do you no the cost of the device? also how does one allow the device to recognise their contry's currency?
thanks
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

 

 

 

 


Re: accessible money

Gene
 

Any blind person who is signed up with the Library for the Blind program in The United States can get the unit you are talking about free. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

Yes, you can buy it for a poultry $120 US.  Just how long it will last is anybody's guess.  Mine has lasted me 3 years so far, but in the US more and more each year, if you cant pay, you don't play--no matter how important the issue is.



On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

--

 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

banana boat!"

 

 

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessible money

Kerryn Gunness
 

hmmmmm
hope that change soon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money


Yeah, I know. In this day and age in the US as we all know, there is no hostility toward blind people or disabled people in the US; and if there is it's all fake news created by a bunch of whinny unpatriotic liberals who all oughtta be fired!



On 6/10/2018 1:58 AM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
It doesn't insult
anyone. Coins are not used
in the ways paper money are for a reason. If blind
people demand the
elimination of bills, they won't be taken
seriously. Accessibility doesn't
mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest of
society. and replacing
bills with coins is unreasonable.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Laurie
Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in
part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of acceptance
and integration back significantly.
Gene
---My response:
I think that
this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost
everyone, and it does
not make sense either.
I am not worried about ill will being spread on
account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am
exchanging with a business.
Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible,
for just two
examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to
lag in this
respect.
-LM
--------------------------------------------
On Sat,
6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date:
Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM
But using that
argument,
making money accessible
when it may not be around
much longer can be argued to be
spending a good deal
of money
to correct a problem that may not exist so it
shouldn't be done.
After all, it would be hard to justify making a
building
wheelchair accessible
if that building were likely
to be torn down in two years
and it wasn't
providing an
essential service.
Paper money is so much
more
convenient than coins,
that that is why it was adopted
in the first place.
Accessibility is a
worthy goal, but
if accessibility is done at the expense of
what is generally a
much better system of doing something for people in
general,
it's a pyric
victory. Even if you win, the
public resentment and
ridicule will create
enormous ill will
toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of acceptance
and integration back
significantly.
Gene
----- Original
Message
-----
From: Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible
money
Well, we
wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more
coins. They could
be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.
As far
as
the jingling,
to be honest, less and less people use real
money any
more. So this may
become a moot point
anyway. For example, we are getting a
group of
Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
New York
area
that will accept
nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how
long
there will actually be
any so called legal tender any
more anyway.
On 6/8/2018
11:03
PM, Gene wrote:
It
isn't
reasonable to ask that switching to coins be
done.
I'll use American denominations in
examples since
I don't know your
denominations.
Who is going to be willing to carry
nothing but
coins? If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
I'm not
going to
want to get four coins for dollars and two
quarters,
a
dime and a nickel
back. If I pay for something
with a ten dollar coin and
I'm owed eight
dollars and
twenty cents, I am not going to want to
receive a five dollar
coin, three one dollar coins and two
dimes.
People
aren't going to walk
around with lots of heavy
coins jingling in their pockets
and wearing out the
material in their clothes.
and
think of all the different coins you would have
to learn. The
penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
dollar,
ten,
twenty, fifty,
assuming you never have a higher
denomination.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money
Hi Kerryn,
If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to
switch to all
coinage
rather than paper money, that would be the
ideal thing
to
do. Most blind
people here in the United
States have no difficulty with
coinage. The
pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
rimmed and of
different sizes and weights. In the
United States,
we
like our paper
money. There was great
resistance to any change for
large denominations
than
quarters. However in a smaller country like
Trinidad, you might
have less resistance. Good luck.
On 6/8/2018 8:29
PM, Kerryn
Gunness via Groups.Io
wrote:
hi
we in trinidad would like to make
our
money
accessible to our blind or
visually impaired persons
what guidelines we
should work with as to approach
the powers that be,
in our meeting on tuesday 12th
june, in having
this
done, in terms of
technology, tack
tile immages etc
thanks
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They
ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
chimpanzee on a
banana boat!"
--
They Ask Me If I'm
Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm
as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a
banana
boat!"


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



Re: accessible money

Ron Canazzi
 

Yeah, I know.  In this day and age in the US as we all know, there is no hostility toward blind people or disabled people in the US; and if there is it's all fake news created by a bunch of whinny unpatriotic liberals who all oughtta be fired!

On 6/10/2018 1:58 AM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
It doesn't insult
anyone.  Coins are not used
in the ways paper money are for a reason.  If blind
people demand the
elimination of bills, they won't be taken
seriously.  Accessibility doesn't
mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest of
society.  and replacing
bills with coins is unreasonable.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Laurie
Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in
part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of acceptance
and integration back significantly.
Gene
---My response:
I think that
this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost
everyone, and it does
not make sense either.
I am not worried about ill will being spread on
account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am
exchanging with a business.
Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible,
for just two
examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to
lag in this
respect.
-LM
--------------------------------------------
On Sat,
6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote:
 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 Date:
Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM
 But using that
argument,
 making money accessible
 when it may not be around
much longer can be argued to be
 spending a good deal
 of money
to correct a problem that may not exist so it
 shouldn't be done.
 After all, it would be hard to justify making a
building
 wheelchair accessible
 if that building were likely
to be torn down in two years
 and it wasn't
 providing an
essential service.
 Paper money is so much
more
 convenient than coins,
 that that is why it was adopted
in the first place.
 Accessibility is a
 worthy goal, but
if accessibility is done at the expense of
 what is generally a
 much better system of doing something for people in
general,
 it's a pyric
 victory.  Even if you win, the
public resentment and
 ridicule will create
 enormous ill will
toward the recipients and set the whole
 cause of acceptance
 and integration back
significantly.
 Gene
 ----- Original
Message
 -----
 From: Ron
 Canazzi
 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible
 money
 Well, we
wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more
 coins.  They could
 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.
As far
as
 the jingling,
 to be honest, less and less people use real
money any
 more.  So this may
 become a moot point
anyway.  For example, we are getting a
 group of
 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
New York
 area
that will accept
 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how
long
 there will actually be
 any so called legal tender any
more anyway.
 On 6/8/2018
11:03
 PM, Gene wrote:
   It
isn't
 reasonable to ask that switching to coins be
done.
   I'll use American denominations in
examples since
 I don't know your
   denominations.
Who is going to be willing to carry
 nothing but
coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
 I'm not
going to
   want to get four coins for dollars and two
quarters,
a
 dime and a nickel
   back.  If I pay for something
with a ten dollar coin and
 I'm owed eight
   dollars and
twenty cents, I am not going to want to
 receive a five dollar
   coin, three one dollar coins and two
dimes.
People
 aren't going to walk
   around with lots of heavy
coins jingling in their pockets
 and wearing out the
material in their clothes.
   and
think of all the different coins you would have
 to learn.  The
   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
dollar,
ten,
 twenty, fifty,
   assuming you never have a higher
denomination.
   Gene
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ron
 Canazzi
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
 money
   Hi Kerryn,
If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to
 switch to all
coinage
   rather than paper money, that would be the
ideal thing
to
 do.  Most blind
   people here in the United
States have no difficulty with
 coinage.  The
pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
 rimmed and of
   different sizes and weights.  In the
United States,
we
 like our paper
   money.  There was great
resistance to any change for
 large denominations
   than
quarters.  However in a smaller country like
 Trinidad, you might
   have less resistance.  Good luck.
   On 6/8/2018 8:29
 PM, Kerryn
Gunness via Groups.Io
   wrote:
     hi
     we in trinidad would like to make
our
money
 accessible to our blind or
visually  impaired persons
     what guidelines we
should work with as to approach
 the powers that be,
     in our meeting on tuesday 12th
june, in having
this
 done, in terms of
     technology, tack
tile immages etc
     thanks
 --
 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
 They
ask: "How Happy are You?"
 I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
chimpanzee on a
 banana boat!"
 --
 They Ask Me If I'm
Happy; I say Yes.
 They ask: "How Happy are You?"
 I Say: "I'm
as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a
 banana
boat!"


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessible money

Ron Canazzi
 

Yes, you can buy it for a poultry $120 US.  Just how long it will last is anybody's guess.  Mine has lasted me 3 years so far, but in the US more and more each year, if you cant pay, you don't play--no matter how important the issue is.



On 6/9/2018 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote:

U.S. is accessible, there is a little device you can purchase that you slip the end of a bill into the slot of the device.  There are two settings you can select, identify by vibration or have what denomination the bill is spoken to you.

You can buy this from Future Aids or Maxie Aids.

But I’m sure everyone knows this!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:

Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.

Gene

---My response:

I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.

I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.

-LM

 

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM

 

 But using that argument,

making money accessible

 when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be

spending a good deal

 of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it

shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a building

wheelchair accessible

 if that building were likely to be torn down in two years

and it wasn't

 providing an essential service.

 

Paper money is so much more

convenient than coins,

 that that is why it was adopted in the first place. 

Accessibility is a

 worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of

what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in general,

it's a pyric

 victory.  Even if you win, the public resentment and

ridicule will create

 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole

cause of acceptance

 and integration back significantly.

 

Gene

 ----- Original Message

-----

 

 From: Ron

Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

 

 Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more

coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.  As far as

the jingling,

 to be honest, less and less people use real money any

more.  So this may

 become a moot point anyway.  For example, we are getting a

group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York

area that will accept

 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long

there will actually be

 any so called legal tender any more anyway.

 

 

 On 6/8/2018 11:03

PM, Gene wrote:

 

   It isn't

reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

    

   I'll use American denominations in examples since

I don't know your

   denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry

nothing but

   coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,

I'm not going to

   want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a

dime and a nickel

   back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and

I'm owed eight

   dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to

receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People

aren't going to walk

   around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets

and wearing out the

   material in their clothes. 

    

   and think of all the different coins you would have

to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,

twenty, fifty,

   assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

    

   Gene

  

   ----- Original Message -----

   

   From: Ron

Canazzi

   

   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

   Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible

money

  

 

   Hi Kerryn,

  

 

   If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to

switch to all coinage

   rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to

do.  Most blind

   people here in the United States have no difficulty with

coinage.  The

   pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently

rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we

like our paper

   money.  There was great resistance to any change for

large denominations

   than quarters.  However in a smaller country like

Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.

  

 

 

   On 6/8/2018 8:29

PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

   wrote:

   

     

     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make our money

accessible to our blind or

     visually  impaired persons

     what guidelines we should work with as to approach

the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this

done, in terms of

     technology, tack tile immages etc

     thanks

      

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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a

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Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Strange. Maybe it's happening only with me?...

Em 10/06/2018 05:17, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Yes, the mobile interface (m.facebook.com).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Actually, I only can check/uncheck one of those buttons if I'm with the browse mode. With the focus mode I can do nothing about it.
You're using m.facebook as I said?
Em 10/06/2018 04:56, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
So when I try to delete a post with Firefox, when I press Enter on the radio button, NVDA switches me to focus mode and I can then use up and down arrow keys to select a different radio button. NVDA announces selection status as it should. This was also observed with Internet Explorer.
I get a feeling that, perhaps with browse mode, radio button selection status isn't announced right. Is this correct? If so, and if other folks can reproduce this with 2018.1.x:
* If this happens with 2018.1.x as well, then this is either differences in rendering engines, or Facebook made a server-side change.
* If this problem does not happen with 2018.1.x, then it might be 2018.2 issue.
Note that I'm testing these scenarios with latest NVDA next snapshots running on Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Hi,
Okay, we're getting somewhere. Can someone try to reproduce this, and if possible, with other web browsers such as IE, Chrome, and Edge please? Once we get folks to try and reproduce this, we'll know if this is an NVDA regression, browser rendering differences, or something else.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it.
Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio






















Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Hi,
Yes, the mobile interface (m.facebook.com).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Actually, I only can check/uncheck one of those buttons if I'm with the browse mode. With the focus mode I can do nothing about it.
You're using m.facebook as I said?
Em 10/06/2018 04:56, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
So when I try to delete a post with Firefox, when I press Enter on the radio button, NVDA switches me to focus mode and I can then use up and down arrow keys to select a different radio button. NVDA announces selection status as it should. This was also observed with Internet Explorer.
I get a feeling that, perhaps with browse mode, radio button selection status isn't announced right. Is this correct? If so, and if other folks can reproduce this with 2018.1.x:
* If this happens with 2018.1.x as well, then this is either differences in rendering engines, or Facebook made a server-side change.
* If this problem does not happen with 2018.1.x, then it might be 2018.2 issue.
Note that I'm testing these scenarios with latest NVDA next snapshots running on Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Hi,
Okay, we're getting somewhere. Can someone try to reproduce this, and if possible, with other web browsers such as IE, Chrome, and Edge please? Once we get folks to try and reproduce this, we'll know if this is an NVDA regression, browser rendering differences, or something else.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it.
Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio




















Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Actually, I only can check/uncheck one of those buttons if  I'm with the browse mode. With the focus mode I can do nothing about it.
You're using m.facebook as I said?
Em 10/06/2018 04:56, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
So when I try to delete a post with Firefox, when I press Enter on the radio button, NVDA switches me to focus mode and I can then use up and down arrow keys to select a different radio button. NVDA announces selection status as it should. This was also observed with Internet Explorer.
I get a feeling that, perhaps with browse mode, radio button selection status isn't announced right. Is this correct? If so, and if other folks can reproduce this with 2018.1.x:
* If this happens with 2018.1.x as well, then this is either differences in rendering engines, or Facebook made a server-side change.
* If this problem does not happen with 2018.1.x, then it might be 2018.2 issue.
Note that I'm testing these scenarios with latest NVDA next snapshots running on Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Hi,
Okay, we're getting somewhere. Can someone try to reproduce this, and if possible, with other web browsers such as IE, Chrome, and Edge please? Once we get folks to try and reproduce this, we'll know if this is an NVDA regression, browser rendering differences, or something else.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it.
Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio



















Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Hi,
So when I try to delete a post with Firefox, when I press Enter on the radio button, NVDA switches me to focus mode and I can then use up and down arrow keys to select a different radio button. NVDA announces selection status as it should. This was also observed with Internet Explorer.
I get a feeling that, perhaps with browse mode, radio button selection status isn't announced right. Is this correct? If so, and if other folks can reproduce this with 2018.1.x:
* If this happens with 2018.1.x as well, then this is either differences in rendering engines, or Facebook made a server-side change.
* If this problem does not happen with 2018.1.x, then it might be 2018.2 issue.
Note that I'm testing these scenarios with latest NVDA next snapshots running on Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Hi,
Okay, we're getting somewhere. Can someone try to reproduce this, and if possible, with other web browsers such as IE, Chrome, and Edge please? Once we get folks to try and reproduce this, we'll know if this is an NVDA regression, browser rendering differences, or something else.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it.
Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio