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Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Hi,
So when I try to delete a post with Firefox, when I press Enter on the radio button, NVDA switches me to focus mode and I can then use up and down arrow keys to select a different radio button. NVDA announces selection status as it should. This was also observed with Internet Explorer.
I get a feeling that, perhaps with browse mode, radio button selection status isn't announced right. Is this correct? If so, and if other folks can reproduce this with 2018.1.x:
* If this happens with 2018.1.x as well, then this is either differences in rendering engines, or Facebook made a server-side change.
* If this problem does not happen with 2018.1.x, then it might be 2018.2 issue.
Note that I'm testing these scenarios with latest NVDA next snapshots running on Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Hi,
Okay, we're getting somewhere. Can someone try to reproduce this, and if possible, with other web browsers such as IE, Chrome, and Edge please? Once we get folks to try and reproduce this, we'll know if this is an NVDA regression, browser rendering differences, or something else.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it.
Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio












Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Hi,
Okay, we're getting somewhere. Can someone try to reproduce this, and if possible, with other web browsers such as IE, Chrome, and Edge please? Once we get folks to try and reproduce this, we'll know if this is an NVDA regression, browser rendering differences, or something else.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it.
Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio












Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

I'm using Firefox, latest version, on the mobile Facebook page.
I was trying to delete a post, so I had to check the button to do it. Then I noticed this.
Em 10/06/2018 04:39, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio











Re: ++OFFTOPIC++ How I change it?

 

As Gene wrote,
This is a way to deal with a rather new antispam measure that keeps some people from getting list msil.
I thought it was something changeable, but it seems that's not the case...

Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:
There used to be a link on the footer for that, but I've not seen it of late.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ++OFFTOPIC++ How I change it?


I don't think you can.  Maybe if you use another e-mail provider.  I read about this six moths or more ago.  This is a way to deal with a rather new antispam measure that keeps some people from getting list msil.  It really doesn't matter from a practical point of view.  If you want someone to have your address, you can give it to them.

Most people don't know how to send messages to individuals from a list message anyway.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 11:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ++OFFTOPIC++ How I change it?


Hi all,
It should've a few days I noticed this thing on my e-mails.
I see, after my name, the word "via" and the list's name.
For example, sending an e-mail to you, I see "marcio via NVDA
<nvda@nvda.groups.io<". I would like to know how to show my original
e-mail instead of it, as I see on the others's messages here.

Well, that's all.

Thanks in advance,
Marcio












Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Hi there,
Hmmm, I see. Can you go into specifics such as which Facebook page to visit (preferably a public page), whether it is for regular or mobile interface, and web browser you're using?

P.S. For those attending a certain seminar in a few weeks, I'll mention this email thread as a possible case study regarding user interactions and questions to ask them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio







StationPlaylist+wxPython 4 add-on advisory: track finder and column search feature is not working if using NVDA next snapshots

 

Hi all,

 

A huge regression in StationPlaylist Studio add-on was found while testing wxPython 4: find track (Control+NvDA+F)/column search dialog won’t work if you’re using latest NVDA next snapshots:

https://github.com/josephsl/stationplaylist/issues/68

 

Background: if using Studio add-on, while focused on playlist viewer, one can press Control+NVDA+F to search for track artist or title text. This dialog uses a combo box to not only let users type new search strings, it also hosts a history of previously searched terms, hence a combo box (a combination of text entry field and a list) is used.

 

Technical: turns out there was an internal change made regarding widget class hierarchy (in wxPython 4, wx.ComboBox is no longer a subclass of wx.Choice), and unfortunately, NVDA does not recognize this change at the moment. I asked a sighted NVDA developer as to how combo boxes should be laid out, and depending on what he says, I’ll commit necessary changes to NVDA, which should then resolve this add-on issue.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Any Facebook page with this buttons is having that behavior.
Em 10/06/2018 04:24, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio






Re: Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

Hello,
Can you tell us how we can reproduce this problem please? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio


Re: ++OFFTOPIC++ How I change it?

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There used to be a link on the footer for that, but I've not seen it of late.
Brian

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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ++OFFTOPIC++ How I change it?


I don't think you can. Maybe if you use another e-mail provider. I read about this six moths or more ago. This is a way to deal with a rather new antispam measure that keeps some people from getting list msil. It really doesn't matter from a practical point of view. If you want someone to have your address, you can give it to them.

Most people don't know how to send messages to individuals from a list message anyway.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 11:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ++OFFTOPIC++ How I change it?


Hi all,
It should've a few days I noticed this thing on my e-mails.
I see, after my name, the word "via" and the list's name.
For example, sending an e-mail to you, I see "marcio via NVDA
<nvda@nvda.groups.io<". I would like to know how to show my original
e-mail instead of it, as I see on the others's messages here.

Well, that's all.

Thanks in advance,
Marcio


Re: ++OFFTOPIC++ How I change it?

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Its strange isn't it. I see this sometimes too. Not really worried myself.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 5:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] ++OFFTOPIC++ How I change it?


Hi all,
It should've a few days I noticed this thing on my e-mails.
I see, after my name, the word "via" and the list's name.
For example, sending an e-mail to you, I see "marcio via NVDA <nvda@nvda.groups.io<". I would like to know how to show my original e-mail instead of it, as I see on the others's messages here.

Well, that's all.

Thanks in advance,
Marcio


Here again, this time asking really about NVDA

 

So, guys, I'm here again :)
This time, I have a question abo    ut the latest version of NVDA.
In earlier versions, when I had a radio button I could know if it was checked or unchecked.
Now I can't. I don't know if it's something changed on NVDA itself or if it's happening only with me.
If it's something new from this version, I would like to know how I can do my NVDA back to speak the button's status.

Thanks in advance

Marcio


Re: accessible money

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The problem here is that many people do employ casual labour and need money for that, cleaning gardening etc, I hardly imagine many people who do this sort of thing part time will be able to afford the card processing for their little bit of extra income they get from it.

We certainly are often a big user of such things, being unable to do them ourselves either for safety or cleanliness reasons.
I think money will be around for a while yet.
Anyway this is going way off topic for this list!
Subject drift alert.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io" <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money


Gene <gsasner@...> wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene
---My response:
I think that this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost everyone, and it does not make sense either.
I am not worried about ill will being spread on account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am exchanging with a business.
Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible, for just two examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to lag in this respect.
-LM

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM


But using that argument,
making money accessible
when it may not be around much longer can be argued to be
spending a good deal
of money to correct a problem that may not exist so it
shouldn't be done.
After all, it would be hard to justify making a building
wheelchair accessible
if that building were likely to be torn down in two years
and it wasn't
providing an essential service.

Paper money is so much more
convenient than coins,
that that is why it was adopted in the first place.
Accessibility is a
worthy goal, but if accessibility is done at the expense of
what is generally a
much better system of doing something for people in general,
it's a pyric
victory. Even if you win, the public resentment and
ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of acceptance
and integration back significantly.

Gene

----- Original Message
-----


From: Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money


Well, we wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more
coins. They could
be differently shaped for ease of accessibility. As far as
the jingling,
to be honest, less and less people use real money any
more. So this may
become a moot point anyway. For example, we are getting a
group of
Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo, New York
area that will accept
nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how long
there will actually be
any so called legal tender any more anyway.



On 6/8/2018 11:03
PM, Gene wrote:


It isn't
reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done.

I'll use American denominations in examples since
I don't know your
denominations. Who is going to be willing to carry
nothing but
coins? If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
I'm not going to
want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a
dime and a nickel
back. If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and
I'm owed eight
dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to
receive a five dollar
coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes. People
aren't going to walk
around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets
and wearing out the
material in their clothes.

and think of all the different coins you would have
to learn. The
penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten,
twenty, fifty,
assuming you never have a higher denomination.

Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Ron
Canazzi

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money


Hi Kerryn,


If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to
switch to all coinage
rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to
do. Most blind
people here in the United States have no difficulty with
coinage. The
pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
rimmed and of
different sizes and weights. In the United States, we
like our paper
money. There was great resistance to any change for
large denominations
than quarters. However in a smaller country like
Trinidad, you might
have less resistance. Good luck.



On 6/8/2018 8:29
PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
wrote:



hi
we in trinidad would like to make our money
accessible to our blind or
visually impaired persons
what guidelines we should work with as to approach
the powers that be,
in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this
done, in terms of
technology, tack tile immages etc
thanks

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Re: win10 classic applications for administration (system activation)

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Narrator?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@...>
To: "nvda" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 10:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] win10 classic applications for administration (system activation)


Hello,

I know this is win10, the machine is running a new install of 1803. I
am running the latest NVDA so that's why i'm sending this to you,
apologize to those who are on both lists, but I need some help.

Is there a way to get the classic win7 applications back for
administration tasks? I can still go to control panel, find what I
want, hit it, and it brings me in to settings.

I am not a fan of settings, I like it in and of the fact that it
unifies applications, but interacting with some controls really needs
accessibility work, UIA or what it is called.

Here's my problem, fresh install of a machine running 1803 needs
activated. I've got the key, that I didn't have during the install, so
I've gone to settings and tried an activation and have tried through
control panel, which brought me back to the same place.

In both cases NVDA would not read anything on the screen, I have to
enter my product key then go for an online activation. In 7 this went
flawlessly, in 10 I can't even get the key in, let alone activate.

How does one do this?

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: water fox?

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Navigational sounds. Just look that up in the add ons manager search field and then install the add on.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] water fox?


Hello can I get the name of those sound add ons that water fox can run? the ones that blind people using?

please email me off list

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Re: NVDA 2018 RC3

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You can get bamboozled. Before I now start trying uninstalling I shut down windows and restart it just in case.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018 RC3


No add on for thunderbird. However I just uninstalled NVDA on my system, installed RC2 and still had the issue. Then I did a check for updates and installed RC3 and it now seems to be working as it did in the past. Go figure.

On 6/9/2018 12:18 PM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Hi Don,

It works for me without any problem, running RC3 under Win10.
Do you have any Thunderbird addOn installed under NVDA?

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Samstag, 9. Juni 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018 RC3

Running 2018 RC3 on the latest released version of Win 10. Using latest version of thunderbird as my Email client.
Prior to installing the Release canidates of NVDA if I had Thunderbird open and hit the letter f I would be placed on the list of Emails .
With NVDA 2018 RC3 this no longer works. Not a big deal but a change in how NVDA worked in the past.











Re: URL links

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As a slight sidestep here. I am getting really annoyed of late with companies sending emails with instead of the link being obvious, its hidden behind text in some way.This gives me a problem as I often need to edit a script for reading onto a recording and cutting and pasting such email content strips the url hidden completely.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] URL links


I said it before, in the other topic, but I guess it bears repeating here:

Are you asking how to save a webpage as HTML source? That can be done in any web browser. In Chrome it's under the More Tools submenu, Save page as item and in Firefox it's in the main menu, same option name as Chrome uses.

If you're asking about a utility that you can hand a URL and have it generate HTML for embedding, for instance, they definitely exist. See: https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php for one that you can use online. A command line version has to exist, too, but I didn't dig long enough to find that.
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Re: URL links

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As long as its not an active page or one that uses javascript to get at remotely stored data, then saving it and using it offline works well.

Of course these days with in line advertising being inserted from other severs, what you may think is a simple page is anything but quite often.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brennen Kinch" <brennenkinch@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] URL links


actually i didn’t think about that i will have to try that
there is something i am trying to do that requires me to have the webpage in a html file instead of a URL link
On Jun 9, 2018, at 4:12 AM, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

I really didn't understood what do you meant.
Anyway, have you already tried to save the page? You can do it simple pressing CTRL+S when you have opened the desired link.
Hope this helps

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 08/06/2018 22:26, Brennen Kinch escreveu:
hi does anyone know if there’s a way to take a URL link and convert it into an HTML file





Re: accessible money

Gene
 

You are not discussing anything.  You are just saying you disagree and saying my comments are ridiculous.  That is not a discussion.  this subject is not at all on topic for the list and I won't get into a long, involved discussion here.  I will discuss it briefly with you if you actually discuss the subject.  Why do you disagree?  What alternatives do you offer?  How do you justify completely changing the current way of doing things, especially since accessible paper money is used in other parts of the world? 
 
Accessibility doesn't mean pursuing a disruptive alternative when much less disruptive options are available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:
Gene <gsasner@...>
 wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
 It doesn't insult
 anyone.  Coins are not used
 in the ways paper money are for a reason.  If blind
 people demand the
 elimination of bills, they won't be taken
 seriously.  Accessibility doesn't
 mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest of
 society.  and replacing
 bills with coins is unreasonable. 
  
 Gene
 
 ----- Original Message -----
 
 
 From: Laurie
 Mehta via Groups.Io
 
 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57 PM
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
 money
 
 Gene <gsasner@...>
 wrote, in
 part:
 Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
 create
 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
 cause of acceptance
 and integration back significantly.
 Gene
 ---My response:
 I think that
 this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost
 everyone, and it does
 not make sense either.
 I am not worried about ill will being spread on
 account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am
 exchanging with a business.
 
 Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible,
 for just two
 examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to
 lag in this
 respect.
 -LM
 
 --------------------------------------------
 On Sat,
 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>
 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Date:
 Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM
  
  
  But using that
 argument,
  making money accessible
  when it may not be around
 much longer can be argued to be
  spending a good deal
  of money
 to correct a problem that may not exist so it
  shouldn't be done. 
 
  After all, it would be hard to justify making a
 building
  wheelchair accessible
  if that building were likely
 to be torn down in two years
  and it wasn't
  providing an
 essential service.
   
  Paper money is so much
 more
  convenient than coins,
  that that is why it was adopted
 in the first place. 
  Accessibility is a
  worthy goal, but
 if accessibility is done at the expense of
  what is generally a
 
  much better system of doing something for people in
 general,
  it's a pyric
  victory.  Even if you win, the
 public resentment and
  ridicule will create
  enormous ill will
 toward the recipients and set the whole
  cause of acceptance
 
  and integration back
 significantly.
   
  Gene
  
  ----- Original
 Message
  -----
  
  
  From: Ron
  Canazzi
 
  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  
  Subject:
 Re: [nvda] accessible
  money
  
  
  Well, we
 wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more
  coins.  They could
 
  be differently shaped for ease of accessibility. 
 As far
 as
  the jingling,
  to be honest, less and less people use real
 money any
  more.  So this may
  become a moot point
 anyway.  For example, we are getting a
  group of
 
  Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
 New York
  area
 that will accept
  nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how
 long
  there will actually be
  any so called legal tender any
 more anyway.
  
  
  
  On 6/8/2018
 11:03
  PM, Gene wrote:
  
  
    It
 isn't
  reasonable to ask that switching to coins be
 done. 
 
     
    I'll use American denominations in
 examples since
  I don't know your
    denominations. 
 Who is going to be willing to carry
  nothing but
   
 coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
  I'm not
 going to
    want to get four coins for dollars and two
 quarters,
 a
  dime and a nickel
    back.  If I pay for something
 with a ten dollar coin and
  I'm owed eight
    dollars and
 twenty cents, I am not going to want to
  receive a five dollar
 
    coin, three one dollar coins and two
 dimes. 
 People
  aren't going to walk
    around with lots of heavy
 coins jingling in their pockets
  and wearing out the
   
 material in their clothes. 
     
    and
 think of all the different coins you would have
  to learn.  The
 
    penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
 dollar,
 ten,
  twenty, fifty,
    assuming you never have a higher
 denomination. 
     
    Gene
   
 
    ----- Original Message -----
  
   
 
    From: Ron
  Canazzi
   
   
 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  
   
 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
  money
   
 
  
    Hi Kerryn,
   
  
   
 If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to
  switch to all
 coinage
    rather than paper money, that would be the
 ideal thing
 to
  do.  Most blind
    people here in the United
 States have no difficulty with
  coinage.  The
   
 pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
  rimmed and of
 
    different sizes and weights.  In the
 United States,
 we
  like our paper
    money.  There was great
 resistance to any change for
  large denominations
    than
 quarters.  However in a smaller country like
  Trinidad, you might
 
    have less resistance.  Good luck.
   
 
  
  
    On 6/8/2018 8:29
  PM, Kerryn
 Gunness via Groups.Io
    wrote:
  
   
 
     
      hi
 
      we in trinidad would like to make
 our
 money
  accessible to our blind or
     
 visually  impaired persons
      what guidelines we
 should work with as to approach
  the powers that be,
 
      in our meeting on tuesday 12th
 june, in having
 this
  done, in terms of
      technology, tack
 tile immages etc
      thanks
     
  
  --
  They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
  They
 ask: "How Happy are You?"
  I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
 chimpanzee on a
  banana boat!"
  --
  They Ask Me If I'm
 Happy; I say Yes.
  They ask: "How Happy are You?"
  I Say: "I'm
 as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a
  banana
 boat!"
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




Re: accessible money

Ian Blackburn
 

This is getting way off the topic nvda

On 10 Jun 2018, at 1:58 pm, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
It doesn't insult
anyone. Coins are not used
in the ways paper money are for a reason. If blind
people demand the
elimination of bills, they won't be taken
seriously. Accessibility doesn't
mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest of
society. and replacing
bills with coins is unreasonable.

Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Laurie
Mehta via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money

Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in
part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of acceptance
and integration back significantly.
Gene
---My response:
I think that
this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost
everyone, and it does
not make sense either.
I am not worried about ill will being spread on
account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am
exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible,
for just two
examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to
lag in this
respect.
-LM

--------------------------------------------
On Sat,
6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>

wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date:
Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM


But using that
argument,
making money accessible
when it may not be around
much longer can be argued to be
spending a good deal
of money
to correct a problem that may not exist so it
shouldn't be done.

After all, it would be hard to justify making a
building
wheelchair accessible
if that building were likely
to be torn down in two years
and it wasn't
providing an
essential service.

Paper money is so much
more
convenient than coins,
that that is why it was adopted
in the first place.
Accessibility is a
worthy goal, but
if accessibility is done at the expense of
what is generally a

much better system of doing something for people in
general,
it's a pyric
victory. Even if you win, the
public resentment and
ridicule will create
enormous ill will
toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of acceptance

and integration back
significantly.

Gene

----- Original
Message
-----


From: Ron
Canazzi

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible
money


Well, we
wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more
coins. They could

be differently shaped for ease of accessibility.
As far
as
the jingling,
to be honest, less and less people use real
money any
more. So this may
become a moot point
anyway. For example, we are getting a
group of

Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
New York
area
that will accept
nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how
long
there will actually be
any so called legal tender any
more anyway.



On 6/8/2018
11:03
PM, Gene wrote:


It
isn't
reasonable to ask that switching to coins be
done.


I'll use American denominations in
examples since
I don't know your
denominations.
Who is going to be willing to carry
nothing but

coins? If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
I'm not
going to
want to get four coins for dollars and two
quarters,
a
dime and a nickel
back. If I pay for something
with a ten dollar coin and
I'm owed eight
dollars and
twenty cents, I am not going to want to
receive a five dollar

coin, three one dollar coins and two
dimes.
People
aren't going to walk
around with lots of heavy
coins jingling in their pockets
and wearing out the

material in their clothes.

and
think of all the different coins you would have
to learn. The

penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
dollar,
ten,
twenty, fifty,
assuming you never have a higher
denomination.

Gene


----- Original Message -----



From: Ron
Canazzi


Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money



Hi Kerryn,



If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to
switch to all
coinage
rather than paper money, that would be the
ideal thing
to
do. Most blind
people here in the United
States have no difficulty with
coinage. The

pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
rimmed and of

different sizes and weights. In the
United States,
we
like our paper
money. There was great
resistance to any change for
large denominations
than
quarters. However in a smaller country like
Trinidad, you might

have less resistance. Good luck.




On 6/8/2018 8:29
PM, Kerryn
Gunness via Groups.Io
wrote:




hi

we in trinidad would like to make
our
money
accessible to our blind or

visually impaired persons
what guidelines we
should work with as to approach
the powers that be,

in our meeting on tuesday 12th
june, in having
this
done, in terms of
technology, tack
tile immages etc
thanks


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They
ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
chimpanzee on a
banana boat!"
--
They Ask Me If I'm
Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm
as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a
banana
boat!"


Re: accessible money

Laurie Mehta
 

What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
It doesn't insult
anyone.  Coins are not used
in the ways paper money are for a reason.  If blind
people demand the
elimination of bills, they won't be taken
seriously.  Accessibility doesn't
mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest of
society.  and replacing
bills with coins is unreasonable. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Laurie
Mehta via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money

Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote, in
part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
create
enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
cause of acceptance
and integration back significantly.
Gene
---My response:
I think that
this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost
everyone, and it does
not make sense either.
I am not worried about ill will being spread on
account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am
exchanging with a business.

Canadian money and Indian money are reasonably accessible,
for just two
examples I've used. There is no reason for US money to
lag in this
respect.
-LM

--------------------------------------------
On Sat,
6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>

wrote:

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 Date:
Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40 PM
 
 
 But using that
argument,
 making money accessible
 when it may not be around
much longer can be argued to be
 spending a good deal
 of money
to correct a problem that may not exist so it
 shouldn't be done. 

 After all, it would be hard to justify making a
building
 wheelchair accessible
 if that building were likely
to be torn down in two years
 and it wasn't
 providing an
essential service.
  
 Paper money is so much
more
 convenient than coins,
 that that is why it was adopted
in the first place. 
 Accessibility is a
 worthy goal, but
if accessibility is done at the expense of
 what is generally a

 much better system of doing something for people in
general,
 it's a pyric
 victory.  Even if you win, the
public resentment and
 ridicule will create
 enormous ill will
toward the recipients and set the whole
 cause of acceptance

 and integration back
significantly.
  
 Gene
 
 ----- Original
Message
 -----
 
 
 From: Ron
 Canazzi

 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 7:02 AM
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
 Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible
 money
 
 
 Well, we
wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more
 coins.  They could

 be differently shaped for ease of accessibility. 
As far
as
 the jingling,
 to be honest, less and less people use real
money any
 more.  So this may
 become a moot point
anyway.  For example, we are getting a
 group of

 Starbucks's restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
New York
 area
that will accept
 nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how
long
 there will actually be
 any so called legal tender any
more anyway.
 
 
 
 On 6/8/2018
11:03
 PM, Gene wrote:
 
 
   It
isn't
 reasonable to ask that switching to coins be
done. 

    
   I'll use American denominations in
examples since
 I don't know your
   denominations. 
Who is going to be willing to carry
 nothing but
  
coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
 I'm not
going to
   want to get four coins for dollars and two
quarters,
a
 dime and a nickel
   back.  If I pay for something
with a ten dollar coin and
 I'm owed eight
   dollars and
twenty cents, I am not going to want to
 receive a five dollar

   coin, three one dollar coins and two
dimes. 
People
 aren't going to walk
   around with lots of heavy
coins jingling in their pockets
 and wearing out the
  
material in their clothes. 
    
   and
think of all the different coins you would have
 to learn.  The

   penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
dollar,
ten,
 twenty, fifty,
   assuming you never have a higher
denomination. 
    
   Gene
  

   ----- Original Message -----
 
  

   From: Ron
 Canazzi
  
  
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
  
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
 money
  

 
   Hi Kerryn,
  
 
  
If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to
 switch to all
coinage
   rather than paper money, that would be the
ideal thing
to
 do.  Most blind
   people here in the United
States have no difficulty with
 coinage.  The
  
pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
 rimmed and of

   different sizes and weights.  In the
United States,
we
 like our paper
   money.  There was great
resistance to any change for
 large denominations
   than
quarters.  However in a smaller country like
 Trinidad, you might

   have less resistance.  Good luck.
  

 
 
   On 6/8/2018 8:29
 PM, Kerryn
Gunness via Groups.Io
   wrote:
 
  

    
     hi

     we in trinidad would like to make
our
money
 accessible to our blind or
    
visually  impaired persons
     what guidelines we
should work with as to approach
 the powers that be,

     in our meeting on tuesday 12th
june, in having
this
 done, in terms of
     technology, tack
tile immages etc
     thanks
    
 
 --
 They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
 They
ask: "How Happy are You?"
 I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away
chimpanzee on a
 banana boat!"
 --
 They Ask Me If I'm
Happy; I say Yes.
 They ask: "How Happy are You?"
 I Say: "I'm
as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a
 banana
boat!"