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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well I disagree most strongly. Its making far too much work for system admins, and potentially breaking working software as well. I think we as a breed also should have access to longer support times as we have the excuse of finding newer third party software is inaccessible whereas older ones are, All that will happen if Window carries on this way is home users will block all updates to achieve a stable working system leaving themselves open to malware as with xp, though I has to be said that although having windows xp machines here, I've yet to encounter any virus.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296


On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:


To Brian V: I bet Noah’s school uses Windows 10 Education, which will
receive support until October 2019. I’ll make that clear on Win10 Forum
once Version 1809 era kicks in.
Yes, I'm aware that both Education and Enterprise (and even S, I think) have end-of-life dates that are longer than those for the same versions of Home and Pro.

That being said, and also realizing that institutions of all sorts are notoriously loath to update, they need to be coming into the Windows as a service era as well. It would be one thing to be on 1709 at this juncture, but 1703 is jaw-dropping.

Whether anyone likes it or not the WAAS model is here to stay, and trying to maintain glacially slow update protocols is ridiculous. I worked for many years with several different state agencies and the resistance to updating was both stupid and appalling. Organizations were still running on Windows XP years, plural, into the Windows 7 era. I'm sure the same is true for Windows 7 in the Windows 10 era. But if you, as an institution, decide to go with Windows 10 you had better realize that you simply cannot hang on for nearly as long as you used to get away with. The goal should carefully controlled and post-bleeding-edge updates preferably no more than one version cycle behind the most current (and preferably with a small, in-house test bed that goes to the next version almost at the same time as "the rest of the world" so that any issues specific to the venue can be worked out on a small scale first).

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell


Re: windows 10 mail

 

Hi,

Here, “these” mean suggestions about commands in Mail.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 mail

 

Hi,

In this case, the add-on won’t cover these, as this is something that should be done by Microsoft.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 mail

 

Checking the Add-Ons Page answers this question.

Specifically, the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on covers many of them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: windows 10 mail

 

Hi,

In this case, the add-on won’t cover these, as this is something that should be done by Microsoft.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 mail

 

Checking the Add-Ons Page answers this question.

Specifically, the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on covers many of them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: windows 10 mail

 

Checking the Add-Ons Page answers this question.

Specifically, the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on covers many of them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: adnormal reaction

 

Hi,

Short answer: hopefully this should be mitigated somewhat very soon.

Long explanation: this sort of slow down is caused by an app that raises so many events to a point where UI Automation subsystem doesn’t have time to catch up, slowing down NVDA in the process. This is partly NVDA’s fault, and this has been addressed to some degree in NVDA 2018.4 for Windows 7, 8.x, and Windows 10 releases prior to Version 1809; Microsoft addressed this in Version 1809 and NVDA 2018.3 includes mitigations for Windows 10 Version 1809.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction

 

i am using winrar. I have noticed something similar when I am saving a file in Goldwave. things seem to slow down in file explorer.I cannot do anything until the task is finished.this includes copying a file from one folder to another.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 4:30 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction

 

I guess you could use a 3rd party extracting program like 7zip or WinRAR

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 02 October 2018 09:56
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] adnormal reaction

 

when i extract a zipped file I can do nothing else in file explorer until the zipped file is fully unpacked. Is this normal? this only happens in a file explorer window.

***
Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep picking it back up!

 


Using Help in Office 2016

Jim Fettgather <jimfettgather@...>
 

Hello.
I have noticed that when using Office 2016, Office 365, when pressing
F1 for help, I cannot get NVDA to read the Search bar, or all of the
links of the default help page, everything seems to just come up
blank.
Any hints on how to have NVDA read this Help window?
Thanks a lot.


Re: adnormal reaction

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


i am using winrar. I have noticed something similar when I am saving a file in Goldwave. things seem to slow down in file explorer.I cannot do anything until the task is finished.this includes copying a file from one folder to another.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction

I guess you could use a 3rd party extracting program like 7zip or WinRAR

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 02 October 2018 09:56
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] adnormal reaction

 

when i extract a zipped file I can do nothing else in file explorer until the zipped file is fully unpacked. Is this normal? this only happens in a file explorer window.

***
Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep picking it back up!

 


Re: adnormal reaction

Chris
 

I guess you could use a 3rd party extracting program like 7zip or WinRAR

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 02 October 2018 09:56
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] adnormal reaction

 

when i extract a zipped file I can do nothing else in file explorer until the zipped file is fully unpacked. Is this normal? this only happens in a file explorer window.

***
Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep picking it back up!

 


adnormal reaction

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

when i extract a zipped file I can do nothing else in file explorer until the zipped file is fully unpacked. Is this normal? this only happens in a file explorer window.
***
Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep picking it back up!


How to use the new Web Console in Firefox Quantum to read Object properties?

 

Hello,
Before Firefox Quantum, I could easily read anything written to the console. Now though, I can't read properties of objects. I am just presented with a line that says "tree view".
Here is a video of me trying to read the properties:

What is the way to read this information? Is this a bug? If so, with who?
Thanks,


windows 10 mail

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

are there any addons for this app? it would be nice to press a key command to switch to another account and have it take me back to the message list. or a key command to view other folders under a particular account.
***
Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep picking it back up!


NVDA and Windows 7

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi,

 

Are there any known problems running NVDA 2018.3.2 on Windows 7 on a desktop PC?

 

I have heard of one case that is having difficulty and I am about to assist that person. It would help to know if there are any issues.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Streamlining speech in NVDA

Felix G.
 

Hi everyone!
I just noticed that when archiving a message in Gmail using Firefox
and NVDA, I get the following rather redundant message:
Undo link undo undo link button.
It's probably referring to the undo button which one could click in
order to undo the last command given, in this case, archive.
Also, when composing a message in Gmail, the window title was
repeatedly announced, liberally interspersed with the word "unknown,"
while I was trying to find a contact in the auto-suggestions with the
arrow keys. This was seriously slowing me down.
This made me wonder just how much redundancy in speech we are
currently getting from screen readers and to what extent this might
hamper our efficiency. So I thought I'd ask around if anyone knows of
any actual studies conducted on this subject. Is there such a field as
screen reader user experience design? I consider myself moderately
knowledgeable in the area of screen readers but I haven't found it
yet.
Are the current designs based on scientific principles, or on wild
guesses as to what people need, based on personal experience of power
users?
Best,
Felix


bugs with addon PlaceMarker

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Hi, me again.

I came across some bugs with PlaceMarker would like to report it here.

Situation 1:
I visited https://www.hkbu.org.hk/b5_services4.php and I selected "輔助工具介紹及下載區" (this is traditional Chinese) and then press ctrl shift nvda k to create a marker.
then, if I press alt nvda k to bring up the note window, nvda crash and force restart.
After restart, I try to open the note window again, and it crash again and restart again.
Then if I press nvda k to move to the marker position and press nvda shift ctrl delete to remove the marker, then, pressing alt nvda k can bring up the note window again.

situation 2:
I visited another website in Simplified Chinese and selected text "1042楼2018-10-01 23:46" to create a marker.
This time, pressing alt nvda k can bring up the note window, but the display of the note became something like "30937 - 1042?2018-10-01 23:46" where the Simplified Chinese was replaced with ?

I thought the above bugs were  something relating to Unicode? or something relating to multi language handling?
May you please help to look it out.
Thanks,
William


Re: turning off the "sent with mail" signature

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

Tab until you get to settings then open settings then arrow down to signature press enter and you can edit to whatever you want!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:15 AM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] turning off the "sent with mail" signature

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I’m using the mail app now and I do really like it. How do I turn off the “sent with mail” part of the signature? I don’t want to always hear that after signing a message.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: Automatically start NVDA after I log on to Windows, unchecked after updates

Richard Wells
 

Ivan and all: I update several machines each time NVDA updates and I can reproduce the problem as well. At first, I thought NVDA had a problem because it wouldn't automatically start talking after a reboot after the initial log-in, but upon checking preferences, Automatically start NVDA after I log on to Windows was indeed not checked in each case.


On 9/28/2018 5:40 AM, Iván Novegil via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello all.


I don't know if this has been already reported, so before addressing this issue through GitHub I would like to ask there about this.

Since 2018.1 update or so, whenever I update NVDA, the "Automatically start NVDA after I log on to Windows" checkbox becomes unchecked. I thought that this was an issolated strange problem, but another user has said me that he is also able to reproduce this bug.

Has someone experienced this behavior and is there any opened issue on GitHub regarding this?


Thanks in advance. Regards.

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Re: FW: question about the NVDA snapshots

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

hi


the following should help you and guide you in what to do. it is from off my website which is not accessible at the moment.


It will also give you links to signing up to git hub etc.


The basics of making a ticket for NVACCESS
From time to time you might need to report a bug so that it can be fixed. Before you report the bug, ask others on the list if they are getting the same results as you. NVACCESS will need as much information as possible so they can fix the problem.
Where to go to report a bug to be fixed
If you are a user of the NVDA screen reader (whether you use the Alpha snapshot, Alpha code, the Beta snapshot code or the stable version of NVDA that is released to the public); if you come across a bug, it can be reported at the following webpage https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues
If you want to test either the alpha snapshots or the beta snapshots, you can download them from the following link at https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
If you find any bugs in the snapshots, a ticket can be made and reported - to be fixed by NVACESS.
Getting a GitHub account or simply signing in
To report any issues to be fixed, you must have a GitHub account.
If you do not have a GitHub account, you will need to go to the sign up link, then press the Enter key. It will ask you for a user name, email address and password. Once done, locate the create an account button, then press the Spacebar or Enter key for it to be created.
If you already have an account, it is just a matter of locating the sign in link and entering your details to log into GitHub.
After you have signed into GitHub
After you have signed into GitHub to report an issue on your page, you will have some links and buttons and headings. Do not worry about most of them. The first button is a search button, the second is a create new button, the third a view profile and more button, and a sign out button. You will need to look for a new issue button. This is found under the sign out button; then press the Enter key so a ticket can be created.
Before reporting a new issue, you should do a search to see if a ticket has already been made. If this is the case, you might be able to reply on another ticket if it matches the problems that you are having.  If one cannot be found, then you would create a new issue.
Searching for an issue on GitHub
Before you report an issue/bug to NVACCESS, you will need to do a search to see if anyone else has reported the bug. If one cannot be found then you will need to open a new issue. This is a button. Press the Enter key to do this.
A more direct link to make a ticket
If you have already signed up to GitHub, a more direct link to where you can make a ticket can be found at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new
You can arrow through the page to see all the sections.
As you go down the page, you will hear the following:
This will depend on if you arrow down the page or jump down by buttons. If you jump down by buttons, you will hear the following: (add header text button, add bold text button, add italic text button, insert a quote button, insert code button, add a link button, add a bulleted list button, add a numbered list button, add a task list button, insert a reply button, directly mention a user or team, reference an issue or pull request, browse button, and a submit new issue button).
In most cases, you will not be: inserting a reply (unless you are commenting on a ticket); using directly mention a user or team; or reference an issue or pull request (unless you are replying to a ticket).
You may find it easier to arrow through, rather than use single letter navigation keys to get all of the information.
Single letter navigation keys that can be used in browse mode
You can use B for buttons, K for links, E for edit areas and F for form fields.
They will need to know in the header and text edit area, what the issue is
For example
Steps to reproduce:
A list of the steps you take to demonstrate the problem.
Example:
1. Open Chrome
2. Browse to www.google.com
3. Type "Hello"
4. Notice an error sound when enter is pressed.
Please also remember to attach a zip of any files required to reproduce the issue.

Expected behavior:
Tell us what should happen.
Actual behavior:
Tell us what happens instead.
They will also need to know the NVDA version number, and whether it is an Alpha or a Beta snapshot. Also, they will need to know whether it is a portable or installed version of NVDA.

Other information
They may need other information such as if it was
Example: Running in a VM (virtual machine).
Windows version:
Example: Windows 10 Version 1607 Build 14393.1066
Other questions:
Does the issue still occur after restarting your PC?
Have you tried any other versions of NVDA?
Please list them and the result
Browse…
No files selected.
Attach files by dragging & dropping, selecting them, or pasting from the clipboard.
Under this section would be where you would post your NVDA log.
Make sure under the general settings in NVDA it is set to Logging level: debug.
If you are lucky someone on the list might do the ticket for you, but you will need to copy and paste the log into the email as attachments are blocked on the list.
After you have filled in the information that they require, locate the submit new issue button and your ticket will be created.
Steps needed to recreate the problem
Please note:
For NVACCESS to try and track down any bugs to be fixed, you need to have the steps to recreate the problem that you are having. Make sure your Logging level is set to debug under the General settings in NVDA. You can also obtain the log which it produces from the Tool…View log section in NVDA. A log will be produced after you press the Enter key on the view log menu. Press the Alt key until a menu drops down, then arrow down until you hear NVDA say “save log as…”, then press the ENTER key. NVDA will default to the filename, then it is a matter of tabbing until you hear a location to save the file to (such as the desktop) then Shift/Tab back to the save button, then press the Enter key on the save button.
Accessing your NVDA log
A much quicker way to get to your NVDA log is by pressing the NVDA key + F1 key, Ctrl then + letter A to select all characters, Ctrl + C to copy, & then pasting Ctrl key + letter V  into an email to send. Or it's in c:\users\username\AppData\local\temp\nvda.log (which you can just attach).
If you have to restart NVDA, then it's in c:\users\username\appdata\local\temp\nvda-old.log.
Miscellaneous information
If you are going to ask somebody else to submit a ticket on your behalf, you cannot add attachments to an email on the NVDA list. The contents of the log can be pasted in the email. If the NVDA log is emailed to another person off list, then the log can be added as an attachment to the ticket.
For more information on using GitHub with a screen reader (which goes beyond making a ticket) please go to the following link http://bats.fyi/2016/08/19/mastering-github-with-a-screen-reader-part-1/
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On 2/10/2018 10:55 AM, Afik Suffir wrote:

 

 

From: Afik Souffir <afik.sofir@...>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: question about the NVDA snapshots

 

 

Hi,

How are you all?

I have a question about the snapshots of NVDA.

I downloaded the latest snapshot. From September 19. And I would like to know if I have to file a bug, how do I do it? How can I open account on Github, and how can I file a bug?

 

Will I have to join a dev list or something?

 

Look forward to hear from you,

Afik.

 

 



FW: question about the NVDA snapshots

Afik Suffir <afik.sofir@...>
 

 

 

From: Afik Souffir <afik.sofir@...>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: question about the NVDA snapshots

 

 

Hi,

How are you all?

I have a question about the snapshots of NVDA.

I downloaded the latest snapshot. From September 19. And I would like to know if I have to file a bug, how do I do it? How can I open account on Github, and how can I file a bug?

 

Will I have to join a dev list or something?

 

Look forward to hear from you,

Afik.

 

 


question about the NVDA snapshots

Afik Suffir <afik.sofir@...>
 

 

Hi,

How are you all?

I have a question about the snapshots of NVDA.

I downloaded the latest snapshot. From September 19. And I would like to know if I have to file a bug, how do I do it? How can I open account on Github, and how can I file a bug?

 

Will I have to join a dev list or something?

 

Look forward to hear from you,

Afik.

 

 


Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history forher thesis

mattias
 

Not to forgot the old ms dos reader iltalkk

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Clive May
Skickat: den 1 oktober 2018 20:49
Till: nvda@groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history forher thesis

 

Hi

 

 

I recall being shown this at RNIB headquarters on a visit to the offices

one day in the late 70x or early 80s.  I also recall it from the Rehab

centre in Torquay around 1986 or 87.

 

.

 

 

 

On 01/10/18 17:35, JM Casey wrote:

> That's very interesting. Never had heard of such a thing before.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins

> Sent: October 1, 2018 9:37 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

> Hi

> In the early 80's I used a German made, non-software based screen reader called Frank Audio Data to access Dos on IBM PC XT machines.  The original was a replacement PC keyboard with the addition of horizontal and vertical slider controls topped with read buttons.  Due to the screen in those days being 25 x 80 character cells, the sliders gave you tactile feedback and this, combined with audio output from the hardware provided excellent screen orientation.  A later model retained the sliders in two separate units which worked alongside the standard PC keyboard.  I found it extremely difficult to transition from DOS to Windows after working in an environment where I knew exactly how the screen looked to being unable to form a mental image of the screen layout.

> Cheers

> Chris

>   -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf

> Sent: 29 September 2018 14:46

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

> Hi

> going back farther still, the Apple 2E in the late 70s and early 80s had the text Tucker screen reader with the echo Cricket speech synthesizer. You can actually download be accessible mess Apple 2 emulator and see it working in action today if you want to.

> On September 28, 2018 4:55:49 PM "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> wrote:

> No, they go back further than dos.  The comodore 64 ran cp/m, and it had a screen reader too, so screen reading packages didn't start with dos.

> On 9/26/2018 10:36 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

>> Well, they go back as far as DOS, there's a lot of brands.

>> Try the NFB, they should have a historical perspective.

>> Glenn

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:16 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history

>> for her thesis

>> 

>> Hello all,

>> 

>> Please, forgive this O.T. This is the only list I'm on, so I thought

>> of asking here.

>> 

>> A friend of mine, her ein Italy, has been assigned a thesis on the

>> history and evolution of screen readers for Windows.

>> 

>> She doesn't seem to find any suitable material.

>> 

>> Would anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for some

>> documentation that might help her?

>> 

>> I know the request is a bit vague, but that's all I ahve for now.

>> 

>> Thanks in advance.

>> 

>> Ciao,

>> Ollie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>