Date   

Weather Plus 4.7 04.10.2018 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hi to every one,

Changes in this version:
• Fixed a minor bug in the function GetCoords();
2 values were not returned in the lack of connection.

Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.7.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html
Make sure that the extension of the downloaded file is correct, otherwise
rename it  in .nvda-addon.
Thanks.
Adriano Barbieri


Re: Mouse Over

Ted <ted@...>
 


Hi,
 
Thanks to all who responded to my initial enquiry, especially Jonathan whose link https://fnd.io was useful and, unfortunately, the only option that yielded a result.
 
regards,
 
Ted. 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Over

There is an fairly accessible web interface to the Apple store infrastructure at: https://fnd.io

 

I searched for Blind Square there and found this page:

https://fnd.io/#/us/podcast/948257850-blindsquares-posts-by-blindsquare

 

This site was used as a demo for developing accessible react web pages at a conference I was listening to online. FYI react is the component library used and developed by Facebook I did find after doing my search that there was little feedback that it had completed, but updated information was on the screen.

 

 

Jonathan

.

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Ted <ted@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:45 PM
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Subject: [nvda] Mouse Over

 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Beeping driving me mad

Gene
 

I didn't say there are no beep-related settings.  I said I am unaware of such a setting that does what you describe, that is, beep every time you tab and alt tab. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beeping driving me mad

Gene,

 

Just to improve your knowledge of NVDA, I can assure you that there are many beep related settings in NVDA. However, I have just found the particular add-on is the Object Location Tones add-on. I have disabled it and now all is quiet and pleasant again!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beeping driving me mad

 

Did you check to see if this happens only when NVDA is being used?  I am not aware of any such setting in NVDA.  Whether any add-on may cause such behavior or have a setting that does, I don't know.  If you haven't done so, test with NVDA running and add-ons disabled and, if you still have the behavior, test using a different screen-reader.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 5:43 AM

Subject: [nvda] Beeping driving me mad

 

                Hi,

 

I have tried every setting that I can find but the beeping every time I hit tab or switch to a different screen is maddening. How can I turn this off? What setting controls this behaviour in NVDA?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Beeping driving me mad

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Gene,

 

Just to improve your knowledge of NVDA, I can assure you that there are many beep related settings in NVDA. However, I have just found the particular add-on is the Object Location Tones add-on. I have disabled it and now all is quiet and pleasant again!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beeping driving me mad

 

Did you check to see if this happens only when NVDA is being used?  I am not aware of any such setting in NVDA.  Whether any add-on may cause such behavior or have a setting that does, I don't know.  If you haven't done so, test with NVDA running and add-ons disabled and, if you still have the behavior, test using a different screen-reader.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 5:43 AM

Subject: [nvda] Beeping driving me mad

 

                Hi,

 

I have tried every setting that I can find but the beeping every time I hit tab or switch to a different screen is maddening. How can I turn this off? What setting controls this behaviour in NVDA?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: I think, but I'm not sure I just saw the nvda hang

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

the latest is 1809.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think, but I'm not sure I just saw the nvda hang


I have microsoft version 1803 build 17134.0825 I think I got all of those numbers right. I don't know what's goin on but yeah this is just starting today as of a few minutes ago. Maybe I've ben jinksed or something. Lol! Hope that log thing helps a bit. I think I might just let my system sit over night and do what ever it needs to do.

Take care all and have a happy wednesday

On 3 Oct 2018, at 21:34, René Linke wrote:

Hi,

The Fall Creators Update is an update from a while ago, this new big Windows Update is called October Update.

Please check the version you have installed with the command "winver" from the Run dialog.

René




Re: Beeping driving me mad

Jacob Kruger
 

Do you have the object location tones add-on installed?

If so, disable, or uninstall it, and, see if that makes a difference?

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acdceptance is versatile..."
On 2018-10-04 12:43 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,



I have tried every setting that I can find but the beeping every time I
hit tab or switch to a different screen is maddening. How can I turn
this off? What setting controls this behaviour in NVDA?



All the best,



Cearbhall



m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie





windows 10 mail

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

when adding a new account NVDA is not reading the dialog box.


Re: Beeping driving me mad

Gene
 

Did you check to see if this happens only when NVDA is being used?  I am not aware of any such setting in NVDA.  Whether any add-on may cause such behavior or have a setting that does, I don't know.  If you haven't done so, test with NVDA running and add-ons disabled and, if you still have the behavior, test using a different screen-reader.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 5:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] Beeping driving me mad

                Hi,

 

I have tried every setting that I can find but the beeping every time I hit tab or switch to a different screen is maddening. How can I turn this off? What setting controls this behaviour in NVDA?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Beeping driving me mad

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

                Hi,

 

I have tried every setting that I can find but the beeping every time I hit tab or switch to a different screen is maddening. How can I turn this off? What setting controls this behaviour in NVDA?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: I think, but I'm not sure I just saw the nvda hang

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Could be its downloading the new version but not installing it.I do notice even on 7 that when a big security update is being downloaded it can be very slowing. I'd imagine this is partly due to anti virus checking the new files and partly maybe due to the issues in another thread on here about uia and multiple tasks in nvda.
Hopefully when its done the download it will speed up again and then you will need to decide whether to allow the update.



I am a little confused as it seems Microsoft has released to some people earlier than they said, but who knows what their rule is.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think, but I'm not sure I just saw the nvda hang


I have microsoft version 1803 build 17134.0825 I think I got all of those numbers right. I don't know what's goin on but yeah this is just starting today as of a few minutes ago. Maybe I've ben jinksed or something. Lol! Hope that log thing helps a bit. I think I might just let my system sit over night and do what ever it needs to do.

Take care all and have a happy wednesday

On 3 Oct 2018, at 21:34, René Linke wrote:

Hi,

The Fall Creators Update is an update from a while ago, this new big Windows Update is called October Update.

Please check the version you have installed with the command "winver" from the Run dialog.

René



Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

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The date most will be offered it is supposed to be 12th, so its hardly a long wait as far as I can see.
Not affecting me of course since I downdated to 7 ago ago and just dip my toe in the ten water when I have to on other peoples hardware!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition


1 - It is already released and it is called October update, or something like that;
2 - It will be distributed in a few days;
3 - You can force the update now, looking for updates in Windows;
4 - So far, the only, more or less, big problem is with SkypeApp not working so good, and NotePad, portuguese version, having the english keystrokes...
5 - I was forced to pair again my Bluetooth Braille display, Basic Braille from Handy Tech.

Rui




Às 01:13 de 04/10/2018, Abbie Taylor escreveu:
I just read on another forum that the Windows 10 Fall Creator's Edition is here. I haven't yet been notified that it's available for me to download, but when I do, in light of what happened last spring with my braille display not being supported and having to roll back, I want to be sure it will be safe before I upgrade. Are there any known issues with NVDA with this latest edition of Windows 10?


Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

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They are not calling it fall any more as after all its spring in Australia now!
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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 1:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition


I just read on another forum that the Windows 10 Fall Creator's Edition is here. I haven't yet been notified that it's available for me to download, but when I do, in light of what happened last spring with my braille display not being supported and having to roll back, I want to be sure it will be safe before I upgrade. Are there any known issues with NVDA with this latest edition of Windows 10?

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Re: rate of speech

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Yes it would be nice to have it say. Do you want to save current settings if a change has been made as a reminder that you altered something in the settings system.
Not sure how that might be possible but if not at least when changing a setting it should remind you to save them if you want to keep whatever it is. In the beginning we have very few settings that could screw you up but as nvda has grown this is no longer the case.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] rate of speech


This appears to be one more example of why the default setting that NVDA should save changes on exit is a really bad default setting and should be changed. It would be a good idea for users to change the setting and it shouldn't be the default NVDA setting.

One of the reasons Window-eyes users felt freer to experiment than did JAWS users, at least thos who knew about this difference, is that Window-eyes didn't save settings permanently unless you manually saved them. That should be the same with NVDA. It's too easy to accidentally or inadvertently save settings you don't intend to save if save on exit is the default. there is such a thing as too much automation.

I'm quite sure, though I don't recall if I tested this, that speech settings you change in this way wouldn't be saved if you had save on exit disabled. Then you could close the program and revert to the settings you were using before.

Also, with default settings set as they are now, as long as you don't close the program, you can revert to the permanently saved settings by using the command control NVDA key r. So in the current case, if the program has not been closed, using this command will revert to the speech settings before you changed them.

If you make changes you do want to save permanently, you can save them with control NVDA key c. I would urge anyone who wants to use or try different settings without risking saving settings you don't want to save because theese are experimental or temporary use settings, to turn save settings on exit off and to only save settings when desired manually.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: ely.r@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] rate of speech


Afternoon,
Hold down the NVDA key + Control then use right and left arrows to select the speech option you wish to change, and then the up and down arrows to change the speed, tone or voice act. Remember to keep those two keys held down as you make your changes. These do not revert to earlier settings when NVDA is restarted. Nice feature for making changes on the fly.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] rate of speech

Press control+NVDA+v, then alt+r. That brings you to the rate slider, where you can use left/right to adjust it.

On 10/3/2018 10:05 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
On my notebook (IBM thinkpad t40) I can use the
NVDA+shift+control nd up or ddown to change speech rate. On my new
HP6300 desktop, that key command makes it go faster but not slower. I
made the mistake of thinking after it got fast it would go in a circle
and start slow again. Not happen. Got it too fast to understand.
Now I can't get it slower again. Tried using jaws but it makes me
start the computer and, of course, jaws is off and nvda is running very fast.
Well then, there is narrator, but I can't remember how to start narrator.

Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Howard


Re: rate of speech

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Not sure what you mean about Jaws. I wrote a simple batch file to shut down nvda and start jaws. I have had both running together, but it gave me a headache.
Suggestion. Install a temp copy of nvda and set it how you want it, then copy the settings files to the installed version, then run the installed version.
Brian

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From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 6:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] rate of speech


On my notebook (IBM thinkpad t40) I can use the
NVDA+shift+control nd up or ddown to change speech rate. On my new HP6300 desktop, that key command makes it go faster but not slower. I made the mistake of thinking after it got fast it would go in a circle and start slow again. Not happen. Got it too fast to understand. Now I can't get it slower again. Tried using jaws but it makes me start the computer and, of course, jaws is off and nvda is running very fast. Well then, there is narrator, but I can't remember how to start narrator.

Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Howard


Re: SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases

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Hmm you are in fact saying then, that the users of python or indeed any kind of computer system have no interaction with those designing the platforms.
I'm not criticising you, just the way many programmers decide what to do.
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases


Hi,

Current release process for Python 3.x notes that each 3.x release receives
support for five years. We'll move along Python 3.x releases.

As for what Python 4.0.0 will be like, as of 2018, the crystal ball isn't
even showing that version yet.

As for what add-on authors will do, it is up to them to decide. What we the
community can do is provide guidelines and recommendations, as well as
coordinate our efforts.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of
support for unsupported Windows releases



What will happen when Python 3 reaches end of life? Is all this going to be
gone through again when Python 4 becomes the supported version? How many
add-on developers are going to be willing to go through this every ten
years? Doesn't each version of Python have a life cycle of ten years?



This needs further clarification.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 11:58 AM

To: 'NVDA screen reader development'
<mailto:nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>

Subject: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support
for unsupported Windows releases



Dear NVDA community,



A few days ago the add-ons community were told the following:



SystrayList add-on 3.0 will make the code compatible with Python 3 and make
it work with old Windows releases.



Subsequent comments indicate that, although we still need to support old
Windows releases if given a chance, we should eventually move onto newer
releases. Thus, the following will happen in November 2018 and beyond:



* November 2018: SystrayList add-on 3.0 will be released, migrating
source code to Python 3. The code will still be compatible with Python 2,
thus it can be used by people still using Windows XP and Vista.
* Once Python 3 transition is declared by NV Access: one final
SystrayList add-on will be released for old Windows releases.
* Once Python 3 version of NVDA ships: whichever version of
SystrayList add-on 3.x will be out by then, that version will absolutely
require Python 3, thus completely dropping support for Windows XP and Vista.



You don't really have to use this add-on to access Taskbar and notification
area - you can press Windows+T to move to Taskbar and Windows+B to move
focus to notification area. The add-on is there for convenience.



As for the question of Python 3 and old Windows releases: the version of
Python 3 NV Access and some developers are looking at does not support
Windows releases earlier than 7. There is a version of Python 3 (version
3.4) that does support old Windows releases, but by the time NVDA moves to
Python 3, that Python version will reach end of life (released in 2014,
Python 3.4's scheduled end of life is 2019). Coupled with the fact that
recent NVDA requires Windows 7, it was decided to end support for old
Windows releases from SystrayList add-on once we move to Python 3.



This naturally raises the question: if Python 3 drops support for Windows XP
and Vista, and if one add-on drops support for these, how about other
add-ons? Yes, other add-ons that exclusively rely on Python 2 will not work
in Python 3 version of NVDA. There are some add-ons the community has come
to rely on that assumes Python 2 from the outset, and for some, it is
difficult to port the source code to Python 3 without extensive testing and
modifications. This is especially true for speech synthesizer and braille
display driver add-ons, as the way Python interprets texts has changed
fundamentally in Python 3. This also means once we do use Python 3 in NVDA
Core itself, we must say goodbye to Windows XP and Vista.



So what should the add-ons community do, and in extension, what can the
global NVDA community do? Although the details of the transition is still
being worked out (with some developers researching possible showstoppers), I
recommend the following to be done for now until NV Access announces
transition to Python 3:



1. Contact add-on authors and talk to them about their feelings about
Python 3 transition.
2. If we can't contact authors of add-ons, do let the community know
immediately so we can come up with a contingency plan (likely taking
ownership of the add-on project by the community).
3. If you are an add-on author, think about how Python 3 can affect
your add-ons and plan accordingly. You don't have to port your add-ons to
Python 3 just yet.



For users of add-ons I created or am maintaining (SystrayList add-on
included), I'll make sure my add-ons are compatible with Python 3 the first
day Python 3 edition of NVDA is released. Speaking of that progress, version
18.10 of Object Location Tones and ObjPad are Python 3 compatible, and in
November, SystrayList 3.0.



Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases

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Well this is my whole beef with windows 10 as well. Windows as a service idea is just another way of conning the public into becoming beta testers. Most corporate and educational users of win 10 have a longer life cycle. Not long enough in my view.
When your business depends on things always working, it seems stupid in the extreme to keep moving goalposts.

The obvious thing with Python is to perhaps make their new versions also support old code constructs as well of course and indeed make sure a message is given if one tries to run new code on old systems rather ann. a complete crash or failure to function.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases


What will happen when Python 3 reaches end of life? Is all this going to be gone through again when Python 4 becomes the supported version? How many add-on developers are going to be willing to go through this every ten years? Doesn't each version of Python have a life cycle of ten years?

This needs further clarification.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 11:58 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development'
Subject: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



A few days ago the add-ons community were told the following:



SystrayList add-on 3.0 will make the code compatible with Python 3 and make it work with old Windows releases.



Subsequent comments indicate that, although we still need to support old Windows releases if given a chance, we should eventually move onto newer releases. Thus, the following will happen in November 2018 and beyond:



a.. November 2018: SystrayList add-on 3.0 will be released, migrating source code to Python 3. The code will still be compatible with Python 2, thus it can be used by people still using Windows XP and Vista.
b.. Once Python 3 transition is declared by NV Access: one final SystrayList add-on will be released for old Windows releases.
c.. Once Python 3 version of NVDA ships: whichever version of SystrayList add-on 3.x will be out by then, that version will absolutely require Python 3, thus completely dropping support for Windows XP and Vista.


You don't really have to use this add-on to access Taskbar and notification area - you can press Windows+T to move to Taskbar and Windows+B to move focus to notification area. The add-on is there for convenience.



As for the question of Python 3 and old Windows releases: the version of Python 3 NV Access and some developers are looking at does not support Windows releases earlier than 7. There is a version of Python 3 (version 3.4) that does support old Windows releases, but by the time NVDA moves to Python 3, that Python version will reach end of life (released in 2014, Python 3.4's scheduled end of life is 2019). Coupled with the fact that recent NVDA requires Windows 7, it was decided to end support for old Windows releases from SystrayList add-on once we move to Python 3.



This naturally raises the question: if Python 3 drops support for Windows XP and Vista, and if one add-on drops support for these, how about other add-ons? Yes, other add-ons that exclusively rely on Python 2 will not work in Python 3 version of NVDA. There are some add-ons the community has come to rely on that assumes Python 2 from the outset, and for some, it is difficult to port the source code to Python 3 without extensive testing and modifications. This is especially true for speech synthesizer and braille display driver add-ons, as the way Python interprets texts has changed fundamentally in Python 3. This also means once we do use Python 3 in NVDA Core itself, we must say goodbye to Windows XP and Vista.



So what should the add-ons community do, and in extension, what can the global NVDA community do? Although the details of the transition is still being worked out (with some developers researching possible showstoppers), I recommend the following to be done for now until NV Access announces transition to Python 3:



1.. Contact add-on authors and talk to them about their feelings about Python 3 transition.
2.. If we can't contact authors of add-ons, do let the community know immediately so we can come up with a contingency plan (likely taking ownership of the add-on project by the community).
3.. If you are an add-on author, think about how Python 3 can affect your add-ons and plan accordingly. You don't have to port your add-ons to Python 3 just yet.


For users of add-ons I created or am maintaining (SystrayList add-on included), I'll make sure my add-ons are compatible with Python 3 the first day Python 3 edition of NVDA is released. Speaking of that progress, version 18.10 of Object Location Tones and ObjPad are Python 3 compatible, and in November, SystrayList 3.0.



Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases

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Yes, if we could perhaps at that time have effectively another set of pages for untested or old version nvda add ons as they are on the day, so to speak, then people using older systems can still get the ones they want.
I did wonder about trying to find out the4 add ons used the most that might fall into the issues you have mentioned. I guess Pico synth is one of those as would be any synth driver for odd synths for languages not normally supported elsewhere. None of those exist on the add ons official page. What about Speech player in Espeak? I am let to understand that only new versions of the Espeak can be supported when you go Python 3??

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: "'NVDA screen reader development'" <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



A few days ago the add-ons community were told the following:



SystrayList add-on 3.0 will make the code compatible with Python 3 and make
it work with old Windows releases.



Subsequent comments indicate that, although we still need to support old
Windows releases if given a chance, we should eventually move onto newer
releases. Thus, the following will happen in November 2018 and beyond:



* November 2018: SystrayList add-on 3.0 will be released, migrating
source code to Python 3. The code will still be compatible with Python 2,
thus it can be used by people still using Windows XP and Vista.
* Once Python 3 transition is declared by NV Access: one final
SystrayList add-on will be released for old Windows releases.
* Once Python 3 version of NVDA ships: whichever version of
SystrayList add-on 3.x will be out by then, that version will absolutely
require Python 3, thus completely dropping support for Windows XP and Vista.



You don't really have to use this add-on to access Taskbar and notification
area - you can press Windows+T to move to Taskbar and Windows+B to move
focus to notification area. The add-on is there for convenience.



As for the question of Python 3 and old Windows releases: the version of
Python 3 NV Access and some developers are looking at does not support
Windows releases earlier than 7. There is a version of Python 3 (version
3.4) that does support old Windows releases, but by the time NVDA moves to
Python 3, that Python version will reach end of life (released in 2014,
Python 3.4's scheduled end of life is 2019). Coupled with the fact that
recent NVDA requires Windows 7, it was decided to end support for old
Windows releases from SystrayList add-on once we move to Python 3.



This naturally raises the question: if Python 3 drops support for Windows XP
and Vista, and if one add-on drops support for these, how about other
add-ons? Yes, other add-ons that exclusively rely on Python 2 will not work
in Python 3 version of NVDA. There are some add-ons the community has come
to rely on that assumes Python 2 from the outset, and for some, it is
difficult to port the source code to Python 3 without extensive testing and
modifications. This is especially true for speech synthesizer and braille
display driver add-ons, as the way Python interprets texts has changed
fundamentally in Python 3. This also means once we do use Python 3 in NVDA
Core itself, we must say goodbye to Windows XP and Vista.



So what should the add-ons community do, and in extension, what can the
global NVDA community do? Although the details of the transition is still
being worked out (with some developers researching possible showstoppers), I
recommend the following to be done for now until NV Access announces
transition to Python 3:



1. Contact add-on authors and talk to them about their feelings about
Python 3 transition.
2. If we can't contact authors of add-ons, do let the community know
immediately so we can come up with a contingency plan (likely taking
ownership of the add-on project by the community).
3. If you are an add-on author, think about how Python 3 can affect
your add-ons and plan accordingly. You don't have to port your add-ons to
Python 3 just yet.



For users of add-ons I created or am maintaining (SystrayList add-on
included), I'll make sure my add-ons are compatible with Python 3 the first
day Python 3 edition of NVDA is released. Speaking of that progress, version
18.10 of Object Location Tones and ObjPad are Python 3 compatible, and in
November, SystrayList 3.0.



Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: Softwares to compose music for the blind

Felix G.
 

Hi!
The following article provides the basic data you are looking for:
https://www.rolandcorp.com.au/blog/midi-vs-audio
That being said, we should probably not let this thread go further
astray, except to mention that I usually don't even attempt to write
articles while I'm still in the basic definitions phase of researching
something. :)
Best,
Felix
Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 01:18 Uhr schrieb Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com>:


Midi is simply 0's and 1,s tt is on and off with other instructions for
a computer to ender. Audio is the wave form that you can see on a
consoul or an editor, that you cannot edit and speed up and slow down as
it is not a coputer language, but bits and bytes on a cd or in an mp3.
I guess look it up in wikipedia if you want. A beter explenation.

On 3 Oct 2018, at 13:40, Marco Oros wrote:

OK.

I'll return back to this discussion.

QWS is very good, I have a little Midi keyboard, because I would like
to compose music outside My home.

But, another question is for You and It is related to this thing, what
is difference between Audio and Midi and where to use first and second
and what are Your best recommendations?

Because I would like to write article about It.

Dňa 13. 9. 2018 o 23:43 Jackie napísal(a):
It does have a virtual keyboard, though it's pretty hard to use that
w/any degree of precision.

On 9/13/18, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@gmail.com> wrote:
I haven't any MIDI device connected to My PC.

Can I use QWS also?






Re: FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hello Joseph,


I wish to amend my previous report.  I thought for sure I was running the latest version of Windows.  I was not.  I have since updated to the latest version 18.09 and I did the same test with Goldwave and I was able to see the file with Windows Explorer. The system seemed a bit sluggish, but the files were visible and usable.

On 10/3/2018 1:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yep, thanks for this one. This is going to be used to compare against those
running 2018.3.x.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA
2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if
File Explorer responds?

Running the latest version of Windows 10, 1809 Rel 17673, and last NVDA
alpha, the lag in File explorer seems a thing of past...

Rui Fontes

Às 17:18 de 03/10/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,

For those reporting continued problems: are you sure you are all
running Windows 10 Version 1809 (October 2018 Update/build 17763)? If
you all say “no”, then I’m afraid I cannot use your reports for this
study. Thanks.
Cheers,

Joseph

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Jaffar
Sidek
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:14 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using
NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks
and see if File Explorer responds?

Hi.  Actually the problem is more severe when using intensive resource
apps like Sound forge and Magix Samplitude.  NVDA totally freezes in
the windows explorer view and takes some time to respond even after
these apps have gone out of scope.  Cheers!

On 3/10/2018 2:00 PM, Afik Suffir wrote:

b.h

I can confirm the problem as well.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Ron Canazzi
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:58 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using
NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks
and see if File Explorer responds?

Hi Group,

I can confirm the problem. In fact, the only way I even see the
window for Windows Explorer/This PC is when I move to the desktop
and tab to the task bar and highlight the item that says 'windows
explorer one running window.'  When I press enter on this to focus
on the folder, everything disappears.  The title bar says:
'Explorer' but nothing shows up.  When Gold Wave is complete with
its task, then everything goes back to normal.

On 10/3/2018 12:55 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Note the steps below, and all requirements must be met in order
to participate in this follow-up study.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
<win10@win10.groups.io> <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io> *On
Behalf Of *Joseph Lee
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:55 PM
*To:* win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
*Subject:* [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA
2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks
and see if File Explorer responds?

Hi all,

For NvDA users running Version 1809: can you try the following
for me and Quentin please:

1. With NVDA 2018.3.x and Windows 10 Version 1809 installed,
open File Explorer to any folder, preferably to a location
where you have a large number of folders and files.
2. Run an intensive task such as applying effects to a large
audio file in programs such as GoldWave.
3. Switch to File Explorer and see if NVDA reads folder and
file names as you arrow through them.

This is a follow-up study to see if what NV Access and I have
implemented in NVDA 2018.3 is working. If NVDA freezes, do let
us know immediately so we can investigate as early as next week
(Quentin and I are in the middle of a short vacation at the
moment).
Cheers,

Joseph




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Re: Captchas Revisited

Desert Moon
 

Hello All,

On the Capcha screen, there is usually no personal information.  I have some vision and will ask the Be My Eyes volunteer to tell me the Capcha challenge. Then I will put down the phone and type in the answer. Once I get past the hurdle, I will pick up the phnoe, facing away from the monitor, thank the volunteer and end the call

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