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Speech Stopping Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...> #42843 Please forgive me for starting a new thread on the same topic Mark posted about yesterday. I'm subscribed to this list in daily summary mode, since I don't always have time to read all messages that flood my in box. Unfortunately, I have difficulty replying to messages online. This is somewhat more doable on my PC, but right now, I'm using my BrailleNote Touch, and the edit field for replies doesn't appear after I click on the Reply link. I've emailed support@groups@io about this. That said, I'm also experiencing the same issue that Mark is having with speech stopping. In my case, it only happens occasionally, and when it does, my BrailleNote Touch is connected as a display, and I'm either in Word or Thunderbird. The only way I can get everything to work properly again is to shut down NVDA, disconnect and re-connect my BrailleNote Touch, and re-start NVDA. As I said, this doesn't happen often, but I thought I would let you all know, anyway, for what it's worth. Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com abbietaylor945@gmail.com Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm
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Re: The new branch now works David Moore #42842 Hi! I received the next master branch update as well. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: Sarah k Alawami Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:29 PM To: Nvda List Subject: Re: [nvda] The new branch now works I can confirm that. I got an update today to. So I must be on the master branch not next. Oh well. I might join next if I can figure out again where to go to do that at some point. Take care > On Jul 7, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: > > Just to say that the latest beta snap has successfully updated master this time. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > > >
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Re: The new branch now works Sarah k Alawami #42841 I can confirm that. I got an update today to. So I must be on the master branch not next. Oh well. I might join next if I can figure out again where to go to do that at some point. Take care toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Jul 7, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: Just to say that the latest beta snap has successfully updated master this time. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: NVDA 18.2.1 and bluetooth audio issue Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> #42840 What is the setting in nvdas sound parts, ie I found I had to point it to the driver for my usb soound system it did not migrate on its own, but now it knows bothexist it seems to be working ok. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris O'Brien" <chris.obrien@ami.ca> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 10:12 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA 18.2.1 and bluetooth audio issue As of release 18 I have been having issues pushing NVDA output to my Bluetooth headphones on my Windows 10 laptop. All audio output from the laptop is successfully sent to the headset (including JAWS output) except for NVDA which plays from the laptop speakers. Interestingly enough, when I toggle the earphones off the audio stops playing on the desktop. Has anyone else experienced a similar issue? Chris O'Brien Accessibility Officer 416-818-9411 ami.ca<http://www.ami.ca/>; Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/AccessibleMediaInc>; \| YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/user/AccessibleMedia>; \| Twitter<https://twitter.com/AccessibleMedia>; [AMI: Accessible Media Inc] ________________________________ This email, including any attachments, is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or use is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please contact the sender and delete this email, including any attachments, immediately. Thank you.
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Re: NVDA and windows 10 safe mode Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> #42839 There is a loadable patch as well. but firstly boot into safe mode and try it. see my last message. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and windows 10 safe mode I believe someone posted this on this list some time back and I saved it. Never tried it, but I'd make sure someone with sight was around the first time I try it. Hi all, You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following: press windows plus r and type msconfig and hit inter press ctrl plus tab to get to the "boot tab" tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark tab to "base video" and check it as well. tab to the OK button and press it, you'd get a prompt to restart computer to apply changes, if you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode. after finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above but this time uncheck the two check marks above for both safeboot, and base video. and press OK and restart, your PC will restart to the normal mode. I hope it helps. On 7/7/2018 11:41 AM, David Mehler wrote: Hi, It is indeed a registry hack/edition. I don't know where it is, and at least for me on a win10 home x64 system running 1803 it did not apply cleanly therefor it did not work. Your results may vary. The audio in safe mode is screen reader independent, you can try narrator or NVDA but without working audio, which this fix does, you won't get feedback. Thanks. Dave. On 7/7/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote: I remember it was a registry hack, but narrator should be able to do this for you now. Don’t ask me how by the way, I am just reporting what I heard and what I remember. On Jul 7, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Don registry, Jr. <donaldrisavy@gmail.com> wrote: Someone a while back mentioned something about being able to use NVDA on the windows 10 safe mode and would talk. So wondered how does someone get that to work if possible with the latest NVDA? Thanks. Don
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Re: NVDA and windows 10 safe mode Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> #42838 Rather odd then that somebody showed it to me working in 10 only a week ago. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and windows 10 safe mode Hi, It is indeed a registry hack/edition. I don't know where it is, and at least for me on a win10 home x64 system running 1803 it did not apply cleanly therefor it did not work. Your results may vary. The audio in safe mode is screen reader independent, you can try narrator or NVDA but without working audio, which this fix does, you won't get feedback. Thanks. Dave. On 7/7/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote: I remember it was a registry hack, but narrator should be able to do this for you now. Don’t ask me how by the way, I am just reporting what I heard and what I remember. On Jul 7, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Don registry, Jr. <donaldrisavy@gmail.com> wrote: Someone a while back mentioned something about being able to use NVDA on the windows 10 safe mode and would talk. So wondered how does someone get that to work if possible with the latest NVDA? Thanks. Don
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Re: NVDA and windows 10 safe mode Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> #42837 I don't thin the latest 10 needs the hack it already loads rudimentary sound drivers . I have hacked 7 and that seems to work rather well. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com> To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and windows 10 safe mode I remember it was a registry hack, but narrator should be able to do this for you now. Don’t ask me how by the way, I am just reporting what I heard and what I remember. On Jul 7, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Don registry, Jr. <donaldrisavy@gmail.com> wrote: Someone a while back mentioned something about being able to use NVDA on the windows 10 safe mode and would talk. So wondered how does someone get that to work if possible with the latest NVDA? Thanks. Don
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Re: say blank lines Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> #42836 The only reason I edit cursor wise in messages is to try to see spellings or perhaps to find out why an apparent link is not a link even when seen in html. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] say blank lines I believe there was such an option. But again, are you regularly down arrowing through messages and if so, why? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brice Mijares Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:08 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] say blank lines Thanks for the info. No, I don't want to loose the word space. If I remember correctly, there was an option in Window Eyes that you could check or uncheck to prevent it from echoing blank lines. Maybe in the future NVDA will have this setting as well. thank you. On 7/7/2018 12:33 PM, Gene wrote: You can cause blank not to be spoken by using the speech dictionary in NVDA. I don't know how much information you need. do you know how to use the dictionary? Put the word blank in the field where you place the original item. Then type a space in the pronounced as field. But if you do this, the word blank will never be spoken anywhere. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] say blank lines I'm not sure if you can. I'll try an experiment. But why are you down arrowing through messages? Are you using speak to end? Blank won't be spoken. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 8:21 AM To: nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: [nvda] say blank lines How do I go about preventing NVDA from saying blank when going through email using the down arrow? And why do some people insist on putting a blank line between sentences? thanks
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Re: say blank lines Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> #42835 One idea of course might be to have a setting in the nvda prefs that said If a read only edit field do not say blank lines. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] say blank lines You might try tweaking symbol pronunciation for the symbol "null". That's the only thing I can find where "blank" is what's said. That poses dangers if you actually need to edit a document and care about paragraph breaks. The main reason for putting a blank line in is for a paragraph break. I know of one regular on one of these groups who has the idiosyncratic formatting habit of making each and individual sentence set apart from the next by a blank line, but it's certainly not standard practice. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken , AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: say blank lines Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> #42834 Not sure they do. If you maximise the window do you still get them, if so then its just the way the text is formatted. If you do a say all it never says blank. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:21 PM Subject: [nvda] say blank lines How do I go about preventing NVDA from saying blank when going through email using the down arrow? And why do some people insist on putting a blank line between sentences? thanks
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The new branch now works Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> #42833 Just to say that the latest beta snap has successfully updated master this time. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: Searches in Outlook 16 and 365 Jonathan COHN #42832 Try using control E to start a search the shift F6 to get back to the list of folders. Hope this is the question you were asking. Get Outlook for iOS toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of ely.r@... <ely.r@...> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 12:08:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Searches in Outlook 16 and 365 It appears as though Windows has provided a new better way to search for a desired message. It has added a constellation of options to the search field. It is possible to tab through these, but I have not succeeded in figuring out a keyboard path to the sorted mailbox list. Using Magnifier, I can click on it, but has anyone figured out the keyboard steps to getting there? I have searched for a way to revert to the earlier and much simpler search tool, but with no luck. This is not an NVDA issue, as the problem is true for other screen readers. Another example of “if it ain’t broke, don’t’ fix it.” Rick Dr. R ick Ely TVI, Vision Consultant 451 Rocky Hill Road Florence, MA 01062 &413() 727-3038
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Re: NVDA 18.2.1 and bluetooth audio issue Chris O'Brien #42831 @Mark – thanks for verifying. I wanted some validation that it wasn’t a localized issue involving my machine. Do you know if NVDA is aware or if a bug report has been issued? Also, did your issue start in v2018 also? Chris O’Brien Accessibility Officer 416-818-9411 ami.ca Facebook \| YouTube \| Twitter toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 6:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 18.2.1 and bluetooth audio issue Hi yes I have the same problem, Using the latest version of NVDA and windows 10 With all updates If I have my NVDA coming out of my speakers And I am listening to music through my blue tooth headset Soon as I switch over my Bluetooth headset to NVDA I lose all sound Mark. Tune in to the number one station on the web TAFN radio http://tafn.org.uk/listen Or for our catch up service on demand http://www.tafn.org.uk/on-demand or for our upcoming weekly schedule http://www.tafn.org.uk/radio part of the accessible friends network www.tafn.org.uk Registered UK Charity: #1108043. Sent from Windows 10 Mail. From: Chris O'Brien Sent: 07 July 2018 22:31 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA 18.2.1 and bluetooth audio issue As of release 18 I have been having issues pushing NVDA output to my Bluetooth headphones on my Windows 10 laptop. All audio output from the laptop is successfully sent to the headset (including JAWS output) except for NVDA which plays from the laptop speakers. Interestingly enough, when I toggle the earphones off the audio stops playing on the desktop. Has anyone else experienced a similar issue? Chris O’Brien Accessibility Officer 416-818-9411 ami.ca Facebook \| YouTube \| Twitter This email, including any attachments, is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or use is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please contact the sender and delete this email, including any attachments, immediately. Thank you. This email, including any attachments, is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or use is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please contact the sender and delete this email, including any attachments, immediately. Thank you.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox Jonathan COHN #42830 One thing i have noticed is when a developer uses off screen text with a background image associated link infirefox then NVDA usually cannot click it. Get Outlook for iOS toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 6:25:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox one thing that I did not like about water fox and I don't know if it is water fox or my machine or something that I am doing wrong but I would select a folder to put my book marks in and it would revert to the default is it does not save my choice eg lets say I want to put something in the book marks called other book marks I would go to add the site to favorites I would then tab and select other book marks and then add the site to the folder when I wold go do do the next site it would revert to what ever the default book mark folder that it uses so I am unable to tell it to put book makrs in to a spasific folder where firefox if I tell it to use other book marks for my favorites then it would all ways put the sites in to that folder until I go and change it where water fox refuses to save the settings Hank On 7/7/2018 3:17 PM, Lino Morales wrote: I’m the one who started this tread weeks ago and for the record NVDA is the reason why I posted what I did. I am successfully still uing Waterfox. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 6:00:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox I'm not sure and since the thread now includes NVDA, I answered in another message concerning NVDA as well. If the suggestions I made don't work, I'm not sure if I have other suggestions but since the topic has been broadened, my next answer is now on topic. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox Gene, how in Thunderbird would I extract your personal e-mail address from your post to the list? Seeing I was mainly discussing JAWS, not NVDA, I boobooed. I didn't read the e-mail headers correctly, and thought this was on a totally different list which sometimes discussez JFW. I consider my message further to be off topic for this list. I'd like however to try your suggestion, and if it doesn't work, e-mail you privately so we can keep trouble shooting... that is... of course, if you're OK with that. Alas, thank you for your help. Chris. On 07/07/2018 05:53 PM, Gene wrote: With JAWS and not with NVDA? Maybe you should use NVDA with Firefox for a time and JAWS with it only if necessary for some reason. Also, your problem may be that JAWS isn't lining up what is in the buffer with the actual control you want to work with. Try the following: Press the left mouse button instead of enter. Don't route anything or change to any other cursor than the virtual PC cursor. Just press the left mouse button instead of enter. I have one or two other suggestions that might help but if this one solves the problem, trying the others won't be necessary. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox I'm coming in on this thread extremely extremely late, so forgive me if this's been already mentioned. I have managed to get so much mail in my inbox these last few days of abscence, that I can't possibly go through everything quickly. One thing with JAWS 2018 and the latest build of Firefox 61 that I'm seeing is an issue where you'll be on something which is clickable like a link, or a dropdown, or something of sort. You either hit enter, or space bar, and the stupid dad blamed thing either won't do anything at all, or more 9 times out of 10, it will jump me focused on to my taskbar. In fact, one time, I hit enter on a link, not even a mailto: link, and the stupid thing opened my Windows 10 Mail app. Excuse my language, but, what the hell! Absolutely this didn't used to happen, and honestly, I can't remember when it started. Ever since Firefox decided to go Quantom, things have just totally totally gone down hill with it. I get that VFO is doing their best with what they have to fix things, which I appreciate. In their defense, I get totally that they're trying, but I wonder how much of this is really VFO breaking things, vs. how much is Mozilla breaking things. I'm inclined to think more the ladder. I'm admittedly not the biggest fan of Chrome on the Windows platform, maybe on Android, and on the mac, but not Windows. I'm not totally sure why, but yeah... It's not something I can put my finger on. I just don't care for it. Anyway, I'd be curious if any of you all have seen this behavior as well. I'm told that supposedly, I'm not the only one experiencing this. Chris. -- check out my song on youtube https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y
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NVDA and Tootle books Cearbhall O'Meadhra #42829 Hi, Is there any way to have NVDA read Google Books? All the best, Cearbhall m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Re: NVDA 18.2.1 and bluetooth audio issue Mark <mark@...> #42828 Hi yes I have the same problem, Using the latest version of NVDA and windows 10 With all updates If I have my NVDA coming out of my speakers And I am listening to music through my blue tooth headset Soon as I switch over my Bluetooth headset to NVDA I lose all sound Mark. Tune in to the number one station on the web TAFN radio http://tafn.org.uk/listen Or for our catch up service on demand http://www.tafn.org.uk/on-demand or for our upcoming weekly schedule http://www.tafn.org.uk/radio part of the accessible friends network www.tafn.org.uk Registered UK Charity: #1108043. Sent from Windows 10 Mail. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: Chris O'Brien Sent: 07 July 2018 22:31 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA 18.2.1 and bluetooth audio issue As of release 18 I have been having issues pushing NVDA output to my Bluetooth headphones on my Windows 10 laptop. All audio output from the laptop is successfully sent to the headset (including JAWS output) except for NVDA which plays from the laptop speakers. Interestingly enough, when I toggle the earphones off the audio stops playing on the desktop. Has anyone else experienced a similar issue? Chris O’Brien Accessibility Officer 416-818-9411 ami.ca Facebook \| YouTube \| Twitter This email, including any attachments, is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or use is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please contact the sender and delete this email, including any attachments, immediately. Thank you.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox The Wolf #42827 one thing that I did not like about water fox and I don't know if it is water fox or my machine or something that I am doing wrong but I would select a folder to put my book marks in and it would revert to the default is it does not save my choice eg lets say I want to put something in the book marks called other book marks I would go to add the site to favorites I would then tab and select other book marks and then add the site to the folder when I wold go do do the next site it would revert to what ever the default book mark folder that it uses so I am unable to tell it to put book makrs in to a spasific folder where firefox if I tell it to use other book marks for my favorites then it would all ways put the sites in to that folder until I go and change it where water fox refuses to save the settings Hank On 7/7/2018 3:17 PM, Lino Morales wrote: I’m the one who started this tread weeks ago and for the record NVDA is the reason why I posted what I did. I am successfully still uing Waterfox. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 6:00:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox I'm not sure and since the thread now includes NVDA, I answered in another message concerning NVDA as well. If the suggestions I made don't work, I'm not sure if I have other suggestions but since the topic has been broadened, my next answer is now on topic. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox Gene, how in Thunderbird would I extract your personal e-mail address from your post to the list? Seeing I was mainly discussing JAWS, not NVDA, I boobooed. I didn't read the e-mail headers correctly, and thought this was on a totally different list which sometimes discussez JFW. I consider my message further to be off topic for this list. I'd like however to try your suggestion, and if it doesn't work, e-mail you privately so we can keep trouble shooting... that is... of course, if you're OK with that. Alas, thank you for your help. Chris. On 07/07/2018 05:53 PM, Gene wrote: With JAWS and not with NVDA? Maybe you should use NVDA with Firefox for a time and JAWS with it only if necessary for some reason. Also, your problem may be that JAWS isn't lining up what is in the buffer with the actual control you want to work with. Try the following: Press the left mouse button instead of enter. Don't route anything or change to any other cursor than the virtual PC cursor. Just press the left mouse button instead of enter. I have one or two other suggestions that might help but if this one solves the problem, trying the others won't be necessary. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox I'm coming in on this thread extremely extremely late, so forgive me if this's been already mentioned. I have managed to get so much mail in my inbox these last few days of abscence, that I can't possibly go through everything quickly. One thing with JAWS 2018 and the latest build of Firefox 61 that I'm seeing is an issue where you'll be on something which is clickable like a link, or a dropdown, or something of sort. You either hit enter, or space bar, and the stupid dad blamed thing either won't do anything at all, or more 9 times out of 10, it will jump me focused on to my taskbar. In fact, one time, I hit enter on a link, not even a mailto: link, and the stupid thing opened my Windows 10 Mail app. Excuse my language, but, what the hell! Absolutely this didn't used to happen, and honestly, I can't remember when it started. Ever since Firefox decided to go Quantom, things have just totally totally gone down hill with it. I get that VFO is doing their best with what they have to fix things, which I appreciate. In their defense, I get totally that they're trying, but I wonder how much of this is really VFO breaking things, vs. how much is Mozilla breaking things. I'm inclined to think more the ladder. I'm admittedly not the biggest fan of Chrome on the Windows platform, maybe on Android, and on the mac, but not Windows. I'm not totally sure why, but yeah... It's not something I can put my finger on. I just don't care for it. Anyway, I'd be curious if any of you all have seen this behavior as well. I'm told that supposedly, I'm not the only one experiencing this. Chris. -- check out my song on youtube https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y
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Re: I've had it with Firefox Lino Morales #42826 I’m the one who started this tread weeks ago and for the record NVDA is the reason why I posted what I did. I am successfully still uing Waterfox. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 6:00:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox I'm not sure and since the thread now includes NVDA, I answered in another message concerning NVDA as well. If the suggestions I made don't work, I'm not sure if I have other suggestions but since the topic has been broadened, my next answer is now on topic. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox Gene, how in Thunderbird would I extract your personal e-mail address from your post to the list? Seeing I was mainly discussing JAWS, not NVDA, I boobooed. I didn't read the e-mail headers correctly, and thought this was on a totally different list which sometimes discussez JFW. I consider my message further to be off topic for this list. I'd like however to try your suggestion, and if it doesn't work, e-mail you privately so we can keep trouble shooting... that is... of course, if you're OK with that. Alas, thank you for your help. Chris. On 07/07/2018 05:53 PM, Gene wrote: With JAWS and not with NVDA? Maybe you should use NVDA with Firefox for a time and JAWS with it only if necessary for some reason. Also, your problem may be that JAWS isn't lining up what is in the buffer with the actual control you want to work with. Try the following: Press the left mouse button instead of enter. Don't route anything or change to any other cursor than the virtual PC cursor. Just press the left mouse button instead of enter. I have one or two other suggestions that might help but if this one solves the problem, trying the others won't be necessary. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox I'm coming in on this thread extremely extremely late, so forgive me if this's been already mentioned. I have managed to get so much mail in my inbox these last few days of abscence, that I can't possibly go through everything quickly. One thing with JAWS 2018 and the latest build of Firefox 61 that I'm seeing is an issue where you'll be on something which is clickable like a link, or a dropdown, or something of sort. You either hit enter, or space bar, and the stupid dad blamed thing either won't do anything at all, or more 9 times out of 10, it will jump me focused on to my taskbar. In fact, one time, I hit enter on a link, not even a mailto: link, and the stupid thing opened my Windows 10 Mail app. Excuse my language, but, what the hell! Absolutely this didn't used to happen, and honestly, I can't remember when it started. Ever since Firefox decided to go Quantom, things have just totally totally gone down hill with it. I get that VFO is doing their best with what they have to fix things, which I appreciate. In their defense, I get totally that they're trying, but I wonder how much of this is really VFO breaking things, vs. how much is Mozilla breaking things. I'm inclined to think more the ladder. I'm admittedly not the biggest fan of Chrome on the Windows platform, maybe on Android, and on the mac, but not Windows. I'm not totally sure why, but yeah... It's not something I can put my finger on. I just don't care for it. Anyway, I'd be curious if any of you all have seen this behavior as well. I'm told that supposedly, I'm not the only one experiencing this. Chris.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> #42825 Gene, That's kind of what I suspected. Thanks for the verification. Chris. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 07/07/2018 06:11 PM, Gene wrote: If you can't line up properly when in forms mode, then this is a firefox problem because when not in browse mode, you are interacting directly with the page. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 5:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox OK, Gene, so, I just tested even with NVDA doing as you said, and yeah, that isn't working either. I can't even give you a particular site to test, as it's happening 95% of the time regardless the URL. Chris. On 07/07/2018 06:00 PM, Gene wrote: I'm not sure and since the thread now includes NVDA, I answered in another message concerning NVDA as well. If the suggestions I made don't work, I'm not sure if I have other suggestions but since the topic has been broadened, my next answer is now on topic. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox Gene, how in Thunderbird would I extract your personal e-mail address from your post to the list? Seeing I was mainly discussing JAWS, not NVDA, I boobooed. I didn't read the e-mail headers correctly, and thought this was on a totally different list which sometimes discussez JFW. I consider my message further to be off topic for this list. I'd like however to try your suggestion, and if it doesn't work, e-mail you privately so we can keep trouble shooting... that is... of course, if you're OK with that. Alas, thank you for your help. Chris. On 07/07/2018 05:53 PM, Gene wrote: With JAWS and not with NVDA? Maybe you should use NVDA with Firefox for a time and JAWS with it only if necessary for some reason. Also, your problem may be that JAWS isn't lining up what is in the buffer with the actual control you want to work with. Try the following: Press the left mouse button instead of enter. Don't route anything or change to any other cursor than the virtual PC cursor. Just press the left mouse button instead of enter. I have one or two other suggestions that might help but if this one solves the problem, trying the others won't be necessary. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox I'm coming in on this thread extremely extremely late, so forgive me if this's been already mentioned. I have managed to get so much mail in my inbox these last few days of abscence, that I can't possibly go through everything quickly. One thing with JAWS 2018 and the latest build of Firefox 61 that I'm seeing is an issue where you'll be on something which is clickable like a link, or a dropdown, or something of sort. You either hit enter, or space bar, and the stupid dad blamed thing either won't do anything at all, or more 9 times out of 10, it will jump me focused on to my taskbar. In fact, one time, I hit enter on a link, not even a mailto: link, and the stupid thing opened my Windows 10 Mail app. Excuse my language, but, what the hell! Absolutely this didn't used to happen, and honestly, I can't remember when it started. Ever since Firefox decided to go Quantom, things have just totally totally gone down hill with it. I get that VFO is doing their best with what they have to fix things, which I appreciate. In their defense, I get totally that they're trying, but I wonder how much of this is really VFO breaking things, vs. how much is Mozilla breaking things. I'm inclined to think more the ladder. I'm admittedly not the biggest fan of Chrome on the Windows platform, maybe on Android, and on the mac, but not Windows. I'm not totally sure why, but yeah... It's not something I can put my finger on. I just don't care for it. Anyway, I'd be curious if any of you all have seen this behavior as well. I'm told that supposedly, I'm not the only one experiencing this. Chris.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox Gene #42824 If you can't line up properly when in forms mode, then this is a firefox problem because when not in browse mode, you are interacting directly with the page. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 5:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox OK, Gene, so, I just tested even with NVDA doing as you said, and yeah, that isn't working either. I can't even give you a particular site to test, as it's happening 95% of the time regardless the URL. Chris. On 07/07/2018 06:00 PM, Gene wrote: I'm not sure and since the thread now includes NVDA, I answered in another message concerning NVDA as well. If the suggestions I made don't work, I'm not sure if I have other suggestions but since the topic has been broadened, my next answer is now on topic. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox Gene, how in Thunderbird would I extract your personal e-mail address from your post to the list? Seeing I was mainly discussing JAWS, not NVDA, I boobooed. I didn't read the e-mail headers correctly, and thought this was on a totally different list which sometimes discussez JFW. I consider my message further to be off topic for this list. I'd like however to try your suggestion, and if it doesn't work, e-mail you privately so we can keep trouble shooting... that is... of course, if you're OK with that. Alas, thank you for your help. Chris. On 07/07/2018 05:53 PM, Gene wrote: With JAWS and not with NVDA? Maybe you should use NVDA with Firefox for a time and JAWS with it only if necessary for some reason. Also, your problem may be that JAWS isn't lining up what is in the buffer with the actual control you want to work with. Try the following: Press the left mouse button instead of enter. Don't route anything or change to any other cursor than the virtual PC cursor. Just press the left mouse button instead of enter. I have one or two other suggestions that might help but if this one solves the problem, trying the others won't be necessary. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox I'm coming in on this thread extremely extremely late, so forgive me if this's been already mentioned. I have managed to get so much mail in my inbox these last few days of abscence, that I can't possibly go through everything quickly. One thing with JAWS 2018 and the latest build of Firefox 61 that I'm seeing is an issue where you'll be on something which is clickable like a link, or a dropdown, or something of sort. You either hit enter, or space bar, and the stupid dad blamed thing either won't do anything at all, or more 9 times out of 10, it will jump me focused on to my taskbar. In fact, one time, I hit enter on a link, not even a mailto: link, and the stupid thing opened my Windows 10 Mail app. Excuse my language, but, what the hell! Absolutely this didn't used to happen, and honestly, I can't remember when it started. Ever since Firefox decided to go Quantom, things have just totally totally gone down hill with it. I get that VFO is doing their best with what they have to fix things, which I appreciate. In their defense, I get totally that they're trying, but I wonder how much of this is really VFO breaking things, vs. how much is Mozilla breaking things. I'm inclined to think more the ladder. I'm admittedly not the biggest fan of Chrome on the Windows platform, maybe on Android, and on the mac, but not Windows. I'm not totally sure why, but yeah... It's not something I can put my finger on. I just don't care for it. Anyway, I'd be curious if any of you all have seen this behavior as well. I'm told that supposedly, I'm not the only one experiencing this. Chris.
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