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Re: Problems using NVDA with a Java application

Radu Coravu <radu_coravu@...>
 

Hi Brian,

Thanks for pointing out there is a GitHub project for NVDA, I did not find out this information starting from NVDA's main web page so this is why initially I wrote on the mailing list.

The problem our Java-based application experiences with NVDA would be comparable to this:
Assume you are reading an HTML web page which has in the middle the main content and on the sides various commercials (or some additional information). These commercials (side information) auto update quite often without taking the keyboard focus. When such an update automatically occurs for the side information, instead of continuing reading the main HTML content where the keyboard focus is, NVDA would start reading the most recently updated side information.

Anyway I think I found a similar issue to what I'm experiencing on the GitHub project and I added my feedback to it:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5989

Regards,
Radu

Radu Coravu
<oXygen/> XML Editor
http://www.oxygenxml.com

On 9/6/2018 9:38 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I thought he meant that in Jaws the area is separate but in his example
its an interaction between one area and another. I cannot visualise this
in my brain. Also one needs to point out that nobody can attach
screenshots on this likes and as the developers are blind a ticket on
github and some log fragments to show what is going on and a description
of what should go on would probably be the best approach here. Its very
difficult for us as blind people who have never seen the program, to
visualise the needed responses of nvda, against what is actually
happening. I would however say that if the program is only useable with
a mouse and is visual, then some work around using hot keys inside the
application would seem to be the only way forward. java Access bridge
can only go so far.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems using NVDA with a Java application


I've never tried this software, but why is this a problem? If something
changes, the screen reader is supposed to let the user know it changed.
NVDA is doing exactly what it's supposed to do, where's the problem?


On 9/6/2018 6:38 AM, Radu Coravu wrote:
Hi,

I'm a developer working to provide better accessibility in a
Java-based application called Oxygen XML Editor.
One of our end users uses our application with JAWS but he'd rather
use it with NVDA.
So I started to use our application with NVDA, I have to say it looks
like a better alternative, I even like the voice better.
There's one problem, our application has side views (see the attached
screenshot) and whenever I move the cursor in the text content the
"Outline" side view selects the appropriate node structure in its
internal tree. We do that without giving explicit focus to the Outline
view, but NVDA still reads the changes made in the Outline view
whenever I move the cursor in the main text area.

Is there a setting in NVDA to prohibit it to announce changes in
application components which are not keyboard focused?

I also reproduced the problem with a small Java application:

public static void main(String[] args) {
JFrame fr = new JFrame("AAA");
fr.setSize(500, 500);
JPanel panel = new JPanel(new GridBagLayout());
GridBagConstraints c = new GridBagConstraints();
c.gridy = 0;
c.gridx = 0;
JTree tree = new JTree();
JTextArea jt = new JTextArea("SOME\na\nb\nctext");
jt.addCaretListener(new CaretListener() {
@Override
public void caretUpdate(CaretEvent e) {
tree.setSelectionRow(e.getDot() % 4);
}
});
panel.add(jt, c);
c.gridy++;
panel.add(tree, c);

fr.getContentPane().add(panel, BorderLayout.CENTER);
fr.setVisible(true);
}
moving the caret in the text area also moves the selection in the tree
under it and sometimes NVDA reads the selection in the tree although
the focus is always in the text area.

Regards,
Radu

Radu Coravu
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http://www.oxygenxml.com









Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 now available

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Quentin,

 

I installed nvda 2018.3 rc1.  So far it is working like a charm.  Cutos to the development team.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3rc1 now available

 

Hi everyone,

 

NV Access has just released NVDA 2018.3rc1. This is a Release Candidate, meaning that unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.3 release.

 

Highlights of this release include automatic detection of many Braille displays, support for new Windows 10 features including the Windows 10 Imoji input panel, and many other bug fixes. Read the full release announcement and download the release candidate from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-3rc1-released/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: NVDA’s compatibility with the Braille Me Braille display from NBP?

Christo de Klerk
 

I think that if you look at it now, you will find that a huge amount of work has been done on it. We started importing and distributing them here in South Africa recently and people are very happy with the machine.

Remember that the Orbit itself went through a disastrous launch and was withdrawn from the market for months. These teething problems happen with new stuff.

But to return on topic, the add-on for NVDA provided by Innovision makes the device quite compatible with NVDA and I believe that will be improved further with time. Innovision is very responsive to suggestions.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/09/10 01:39 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
yes, the braille me from nbp is the exact same thing as the braille me from innovision in India. When I bought mine, the dot quality was not that good. and when you would shake it, it would sound like you are shaking a box of hard candy or a box of marbles. The dots would not go all the way down, and it felt like reading a mix of good braille and badly erased braille. Unless this has changed? Also, some characters that show up in braille or brf files and brl files from some braille translation software would not even display on the braille me. 



Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 now available

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Using it right now with no ill effects. Win 7 64 bit, NVDA installed
(not portable).
Braille display autodetection worked successfully for a Handy Tech
device. Is it expected that if I unplug and plug back in the Braille
device it should also autodetect? Because that didn't work. In other
words, autodetection sees the device on startup of NVDA but not when
it later appears on the system. Will test later on Win 10.
Best,
Felix
Am Mo., 10. Sep. 2018 um 11:49 Uhr schrieb Robert Mendoza
<lowvisiontek@gmail.com>:


Hi, Quentin.

Done the update to my machine and so far none of as of the moment knocking trouble from my end.

Robert Mendoza



On 9/10/2018 4:44 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

That's a great start, thanks Brian!

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OK am using it portably on windows 7 at the moment.

nothing has gone bang..
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 6:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3rc1 now available



Hi everyone,

NV Access has just released NVDA 2018.3rc1. This is a Release Candidate,
meaning that unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to
the final 2018.3 release.

Highlights of this release include automatic detection of many Braille
displays, support for new Windows 10 features including the Windows 10
Imoji input panel, and many other bug fixes. Read the full release
announcement and download the release candidate from:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-3rc1-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: NVDA’s compatibility with the Braille Me Braille display from NBP?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Exactly. That’s the one. Thanks a lot for thks info!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 10/09/2018, a la(s) 1:36 a. m., Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@gmail.com> escribió:

Is the Braille Me from NBP that you are referring to the same as the Braille Me from Innovision in India? If so, then yes, they have created an add-on for it which makes it work very well with NVDA.

If you are interested, I have created an e-mail list for the BrailleMe to which you can subscribe by sending a blank e-mail to:

brailleme+subscribe@groups.io

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/09/10 04:39 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Anyone have used, or knows if the Braille Me display from National Braille Press, is compatible at this time with NVDA? If so, what’s the process for this because my student hooks her up to her Windows10 computer via USB; does NVDA+N to get into the NVDA menu; P for Preferences, and B for Braille. She gets to the list of compatible Braille displays, but the Braille Me doesn’t appear to be within! Where could she download the drivers, or what might the problem be? She was told by the folks at npb THAT nvda IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE BEFORE-MENTIONED DISPLAY. THANKS FOR ANY INFO YOU GUYS COULD GIVE ON THE MATTER.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel



Re: NVDA’s compatibility with the Braille Me Braille display from NBP?

Josh Kennedy
 

yes, the braille me from nbp is the exact same thing as the braille me from innovision in India. When I bought mine, the dot quality was not that good. and when you would shake it, it would sound like you are shaking a box of hard candy or a box of marbles. The dots would not go all the way down, and it felt like reading a mix of good braille and badly erased braille. Unless this has changed? Also, some characters that show up in braille or brf files and brl files from some braille translation software would not even display on the braille me. 


Re: Question about Dictation Bridge

Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...>
 

Hello Pranav,
Thank you so very much! This is wonderful news. This gives me what I need to
know to start learning and then teaching. Sending warm good wishes to you,
Terrie Terlau

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 8:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Dictation Bridge

Hi Terrie,
My answers are inline.
Thank you for this information. I am working with someone who is blind and
can't use a keyboard, and I have a few more questions. Do you know if there
is documentation showing how much control of the PC you get with TextBridge
and Dragon 15?
PL] dictationBridge will give you full hands free control of the screen
reader. Dragon does give you full hands free control of the pc.

Can Dragon open applications such as email and Word?
PL] Yes. This is a dragon function. You say "start microsoft word" for
instance to start word. To launch e-mail, you say "start outlook" or "start
e-mail" I think.

Can you move through a list of emails or files in a folder with Dragon
commands?
PL] Yes. Right now, if using dictationBridge, you say "press down arrow" or
"press right arrow" or "press up arrow" to move through a list depending on
what keys you press on the keyboard to navigate through the list.
If this info is in a document, where might I find it?
PL] You find most of this info in Dragon's help. You can find
dictationBridge commands by looking at the dictationBridge documentation.
The best thing to do with commands is to look at the Dragon command browser.

Pranav


Brian - Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop

Nancy Shackelford
 

I wish it were as simple as this, but I'm glad to know this about a
keyboard such as yours. Some dummy (who shall remain nameless) turned
off the Toshiba audio, thinking it could just be re-enabled the same
way, but this didn't work. I finally figured out that the Windows
audio service must've been disabled at the point of disabling the
Toshiba audio, so things should work again when I get someone to go in
and enable that and check in the start page to be sure the other audio
stuff is enabled.

Thanks to everyone,

Nance

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Thing is as I said at the start, if this is a simple as a turned off or
muted sound it could be that if your keyboard has 'extra' keys, one of those

is a mute unmute toggle.It most certainly is on this logitech wireless
keyboard which had be going for a while when the keyboard fell on the floor

and turned the sound off!
Brian
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Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop

Nancy Shackelford
 

Thanks so much, Gene. I'll read more about this, but I am definitely
going to need sighted help with this, since my laptop got the audio
disabled; I know how to fix that, but I need help to do it.

Thanks again,

Nance

On 9/9/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


If you do it on a CD nvda must be in a directory called nvda and there
is a autorun.inf file that must be installed in the root directory of
the CD.


Also in later versions of windows now you have to go into the control
panel then autoplay part of it make sure the check box is checked to see
all devices and the following turned on right down near the bottom
called Software and games Install or run program from your media



If you look under the nvda audio tutorials page there are different ways
of starting nvda also putting it onto a CD and USB stick.


You will need to jump down by headings to you hear it either for a cd or
usb stick.


Gene nz
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Re: Windows OCR update in nvda

Quentin Christensen
 

At this stage, we are using the OCR supplied by Windows.  There are entire companies dedicated to OCR solutions, so it's unlikely to be an area we'll directly invest in ourselves.  For reading longer text we would still suggest it is worth considering a commercial OCR solution.  Of course, if Microsoft make better features available, we will be sure to take advantage of them.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Hi, Quentin.


I could concur to his message. Sometimes works, but most of the time saying just blank and not sure specifically underlying on it to recognize fully. In addition,   let say the focus is indicated on the graphics NVDA tells something text content then pressing the Insert or Caps plus R it reads sometimes but not too close when announcing the text. in accurate manner. That is why I am wondering if there is a possibility in the future release to develop this function on the OCR thing. But this is just merely just a thought if you could consider.


Robert Mendoza



On 9/10/2018 12:36 PM, John Isige wrote:
If it's an image on Facebook, it sometimes helps to follow the link and
then pick the "view full size" link. It doesn't always make a
difference, but I've found that sometimes viewing it full size will get
me some text where simply highlighting the graphic, say with the arrows,
and hitting NVDA-r doesn't give me anything.


On 9/9/2018 23:18, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

In Windows 10, navigate to the graphic with the text, then press
NVDA+r (the NVDA key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on
your settings).  NVDA should report that it is recognizing, and then
"done".  Once done is announced, you can use the regular navigation
and reading keys to read the text, as you would other text on the
page.  When done, press escape to return to the web page.

For anyone reading this using Windows 7 or 8, it's very similar using
the add-on, press NVDA+r but then you use the text review commands
rather than regular navigation.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Robert Mendoza
<lowvisiontek@... <mailto:lowvisiontek@...>> wrote:

    Hi, Quentin.

    From time to time I alternate using of both beta and 2018.2.1 in
    my Windows 10.
    Unlikely could not give you the picture because it was posted in
    the facebook of my friend.
    Although facebook has this technology to describe as Alternate
    text or Alt Text but seemingly somehow help me a bit. But for the
    Windows 10 what is the key command for OCR for describing images?
    I appreciate if you could give those it here.

    Robert Mendoza


    On 9/10/2018 9:31 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
    Hi Robert,

    As Brian noted, NVDA uses Microsoft's built-in OCR in Windows 10
    (which is why it is only built-in on Windows 10 and you need the
    add-on for earlier Windows versions).

    Microsoft are evolving Windows 10 with their regular updates, and
    presumably this also involves improving the OCR.

    In the meantime, have you got an example image or link which
    isn't working for you?

    Kind regards

    Quentin.

    On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Brian's Mail list account via
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    <mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:

        Inwindows 10 though this is all down to Microsofts cloud OCR.
        All nvda does is tap into it as far as I'm aware.
        Brian

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        Subject: [nvda] Windows OCR update in nvda


            Hi, wondering if there is development or advancement on
            the Windows OCR in nvda or with the future release for
            recognition of graphics with text content?
            It's been a while I have not seen update from this and
            tried to test this as well to beta version of nvda and
            unlikely the OCR function still not working perfectly
            because some text could read and some text could not
            recognize fully like giving such blank when pressing the
            Insert/NVDA plus R


            Also, could the OCR recognizes fully the graphics for the
            image itself? Thanks.
            Robert Mendoza












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Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 now available

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Quentin.

Done the update to my machine and so far none of as of the moment knocking trouble from my end.

Robert Mendoza



On 9/10/2018 4:44 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
That's a great start, thanks Brian!

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OK am using it portably on windows 7 at the moment.

nothing has gone bang..
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 6:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3rc1 now available



Hi everyone,

NV Access has just released NVDA 2018.3rc1. This is a Release Candidate,
meaning that unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to
the final 2018.3 release.

Highlights of this release include automatic detection of many Braille
displays, support for new Windows 10 features including the Windows 10
Imoji input panel, and many other bug fixes. Read the full release
announcement and download the release candidate from:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-3rc1-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess











--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: Windows OCR update in nvda

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Quentin.


I could concur to his message. Sometimes works, but most of the time saying just blank and not sure specifically underlying on it to recognize fully. In addition,   let say the focus is indicated on the graphics NVDA tells something text content then pressing the Insert or Caps plus R it reads sometimes but not too close when announcing the text. in accurate manner. That is why I am wondering if there is a possibility in the future release to develop this function on the OCR thing. But this is just merely just a thought if you could consider.


Robert Mendoza

On 9/10/2018 12:36 PM, John Isige wrote:
If it's an image on Facebook, it sometimes helps to follow the link and
then pick the "view full size" link. It doesn't always make a
difference, but I've found that sometimes viewing it full size will get
me some text where simply highlighting the graphic, say with the arrows,
and hitting NVDA-r doesn't give me anything.


On 9/9/2018 23:18, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

In Windows 10, navigate to the graphic with the text, then press
NVDA+r (the NVDA key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on
your settings).  NVDA should report that it is recognizing, and then
"done".  Once done is announced, you can use the regular navigation
and reading keys to read the text, as you would other text on the
page.  When done, press escape to return to the web page.

For anyone reading this using Windows 7 or 8, it's very similar using
the add-on, press NVDA+r but then you use the text review commands
rather than regular navigation.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Robert Mendoza
<lowvisiontek@gmail.com <mailto:lowvisiontek@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Hi, Quentin.

    From time to time I alternate using of both beta and 2018.2.1 in
    my Windows 10.
    Unlikely could not give you the picture because it was posted in
    the facebook of my friend.
    Although facebook has this technology to describe as Alternate
    text or Alt Text but seemingly somehow help me a bit. But for the
    Windows 10 what is the key command for OCR for describing images?
    I appreciate if you could give those it here.

    Robert Mendoza


    On 9/10/2018 9:31 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
    Hi Robert,

    As Brian noted, NVDA uses Microsoft's built-in OCR in Windows 10
    (which is why it is only built-in on Windows 10 and you need the
    add-on for earlier Windows versions).

    Microsoft are evolving Windows 10 with their regular updates, and
    presumably this also involves improving the OCR.

    In the meantime, have you got an example image or link which
    isn't working for you?

    Kind regards

    Quentin.

    On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Brian's Mail list account via
    Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
    <mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:

        Inwindows 10 though this is all down to Microsofts cloud OCR.
        All nvda does is tap into it as far as I'm aware.
        Brian

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        <lowvisiontek@gmail.com <mailto:lowvisiontek@gmail.com>>
        To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
        Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 5:15 AM
        Subject: [nvda] Windows OCR update in nvda


            Hi, wondering if there is development or advancement on
            the Windows OCR in nvda or with the future release for
            recognition of graphics with text content?
            It's been a while I have not seen update from this and
            tried to test this as well to beta version of nvda and
            unlikely the OCR function still not working perfectly
            because some text could read and some text could not
            recognize fully like giving such blank when pressing the
            Insert/NVDA plus R


            Also, could the OCR recognizes fully the graphics for the
            image itself? Thanks.
            Robert Mendoza












    --
    Quentin Christensen
    Training and Support Manager

    Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
    available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
    <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

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Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

Mallard
 

No, when it happened with NVDA and 360 Total Security, for example, no name was given to anything. NVDA was just blocked and quarantined...

Avast is a specialist in false positives. I hate it from the bottom of my hard drive!

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 08/09/2018 22:22, Antony Stone ha scritto:
I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software
package you use is malware".

Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply hasn't
been signed by Microsoft is malware? Firstly, it has to give a name to the
virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner
which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to the
competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not signed
by Microsoft" = "suspicious".


Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:
To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie


Re: Semi-topical: a blog that does accessible Youtube videos?

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Well all I know is that Flash will be history in a couple of years time. Adobe say so
Most sites use html5 so do not know what the implication is for links from bloggs, but youtube are trying hard to monitories their platform by forcing adverts you cannot remove etc, who knows.
If its live you want then somebody told me that periscope on twitter now do voice only live streaming.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 8:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] Semi-topical: a blog that does accessible Youtube videos?


Hi all. I'm asking this here because, in terms of the accessibility, this does relate to NVDA, and other screen readers too. I use Firefox and Chrome but ideally I'd like this to work with everything.


I'm thinking of starting a blog, and especially at first, it will be a bunch of Youtube videos and possibly some playlists. I've got a blog on wordpress.com and Blogger too I think, but I can't remember what they do for this. Basically, I want a blog that either just posts links you can click on yourself, or where the embedded Youtube player is accessible. I've tried a couple before, maybe Blogger and Posterus when it was active, and I'm pretty sure for both of them the embedded videos started out being accessible, and then that went away. Like I mean for me anyway, the embedded flash thingies just stopped showing up in the posts, it was like "here's an example of a crashing motorcycle. OK next here's an example of a broken waffle iron".


I know Wordpress has some accessibility stuff, well I hear it does, but I can never keep track of whether or not any of that is for wordpress.com or if I have to try to run my own copy of Wordpress, which I'd really like to avoid if at all possible. I mean, I'll do it if I have to, I've done it before quite a few years ago, but I'd really rather not. In fact ideally, I know you can do this with wordpress.com anyway, I'd like to just be able to email my posts in and then possibly log in and manipulate tags and such if I have to, and just have the videos show up as working things. I prefer wordpress.com to Blogger, but honestly I haven't messed with either blog in quite a while. But I've got an interesting idea now, well I think it's interesting anyway even if nobody else probably does, so if there are settings I can go mess with in there, that would be great.


Oh speaking of wordpress.com, is there an accessible theme? Right now the one I have keeps trying to scroll new posts in and it makes everything crazy slow and practically unusable. I'd really like something with X posts per page and page links, if it's there. If there's a FAQ or such that answers all of my questions, I'll happily do my own reading, just point me in the right direction. I just have no idea what to search for, on either question, so I thought I'd ask here because somebody probably knows.



Re: A test and an odd thing

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Welcome to the world of messed up email systems..
Lots of odd things happened when I moved to this address. The old one still gets some lists but not all, and some it does get if I then post to them from the old one either bounce or never get to the list.
I suspect that its often the list server that does not clear its set up properly. However in my case at least all emails come here now though some end up in spam and have to be re tweaked to make them deliver via pop3.
sigh.

Don't get me started on older emails arriving after newer ones.....
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 4:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] A test and an odd thing


I'm trying a new e-mail address but it seems that, for unknown reasons, I'm getting some NVDA messages at the old address and some at the new one. I may have to contact support about this.

Gene


Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop

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Thing is as I said at the start, if this is a simple as a turned off or muted sound it could be that if your keyboard has 'extra' keys, one of those is a mute unmute toggle.It most certainly is on this logitech wireless keyboard which had be going for a while when the keyboard fell on the floor and turned the sound off!
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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop


Hi


If you do it on a CD nvda must be in a directory called nvda and there
is a autorun.inf file that must be installed in the root directory of
the CD.


Also in later versions of windows now you have to go into the control
panel then autoplay part of it make sure the check box is checked to see
all devices and the following turned on right down near the bottom
called Software and games Install or run program from your media



If you look under the nvda audio tutorials page there are different ways
of starting nvda also putting it onto a CD and USB stick.


You will need to jump down by headings to you hear it either for a cd or
usb stick.


Gene nz



On 10/09/2018 1:33 AM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:
I put this on a CD, but it won't work in my laptop, for which I need
voice to fix; audio got disabled; I hoped to use NVDA with my
TripleTalk device, but portable is not doing anything. Are there
special things to know about making a portable copy? Does it need to
be on a DVD instead of a CD? Any and all help appreciated.

Nance



Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop

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Basically if you create a portable copy on the hard drive then copy the folder onto the cd, it will work but the same provisos are still true, ie no altering of settings that need to be saved or adding drivers which would need to be installed on the host computer first.
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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop


Actually I think that statement means that you can run it from a CD, but if you want to do that you need to run it from the installer, not the portable package that's created from tools>create portable copy.


On 9/9/2018 9:37 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Section 3 of the documentation for NVDA
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html says:

"If you wish to copy NVDA onto read-only media such as a CD, you should just
copy the download package. Running the portable version directly from read-
only media is not supported at this time."

So, you need to use a USB stick instead.


Regards,

Antony.

On Sunday 09 September 2018 at 15:33:05, Nancy Shackelford wrote:

I put this on a CD, but it won't work in my laptop, for which I need
voice to fix; audio got disabled; I hoped to use NVDA with my
TripleTalk device, but portable is not doing anything. Are there
special things to know about making a portable copy? Does it need to
be on a DVD instead of a CD? Any and all help appreciated.

Nance


Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop

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Actually this does work for me, but itss l o w and of course it cannot change its settings. After all a cdd can be used to run the installer which can be run as is as long as you only want espeak and not the ability to change things and save them, hence my comment about hardware drivers already being on the machine in question.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop


Section 3 of the documentation for NVDA
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html says:

"If you wish to copy NVDA onto read-only media such as a CD, you should just
copy the download package. Running the portable version directly from read-
only media is not supported at this time."

So, you need to use a USB stick instead.


Regards,

Antony.

On Sunday 09 September 2018 at 15:33:05, Nancy Shackelford wrote:

I put this on a CD, but it won't work in my laptop, for which I need
voice to fix; audio got disabled; I hoped to use NVDA with my
TripleTalk device, but portable is not doing anything. Are there
special things to know about making a portable copy? Does it need to
be on a DVD instead of a CD? Any and all help appreciated.

Nance
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Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 now available

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That's a great start, thanks Brian!

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OK am using it portably on windows 7 at the moment.

nothing has gone bang..
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 6:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3rc1 now available



Hi everyone,

NV Access has just released NVDA 2018.3rc1. This is a Release Candidate,
meaning that unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to
the final 2018.3 release.

Highlights of this release include automatic detection of many Braille
displays, support for new Windows 10 features including the Windows 10
Imoji input panel, and many other bug fixes. Read the full release
announcement and download the release candidate from:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-3rc1-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop

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No it can be on a cd. Lots of issues could be the problem. How are you making sure that the new pc has the correct drivers for nvda to use your hardware. Can it actually read the cdd. It is probably a multisession one with no finalised record and I've found to my cost that some pcs just seem to not work on them..
What would I do, seriously, grab a sighted person get them to check sound mute is not on.
To me this is where some form of brute force stand alone bit of software is needed that can turn on any audio system if its disabled or off.
So may sighted people simply click the little box and never put it back.

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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop


I put this on a CD, but it won't work in my laptop, for which I need
voice to fix; audio got disabled; I hoped to use NVDA with my
TripleTalk device, but portable is not doing anything. Are there
special things to know about making a portable copy? Does it need to
be on a DVD instead of a CD? Any and all help appreciated.

Nance

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