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Re: question regard current for ground object.

Gene
 

This may be longer with more ihformation than you want but you and others may find this interesting and useful.  I almost never see it discussed and almost never other than in very shoret explanations which tell nothing of the interesting ways it may be used and what you may learn.
 
an object can be many things, and I don't know technically enough to define it properly. 
 
But in practical terms, if you are in a dialog, the dialog will usually be spoken.  if you are in a document, for example in Notepad, no part of the document is spoken.  Instead, you will hear certain controls announced.  I am not generalizing about word processors or text editors.  I don't know what sort of variations you may find.
 
Others may discuss what an object is and why certain things are read.  But in practical terms, you may find it interesting and useful to try the command in different programs.  There are times when you may hear things read you will never hear otherwise, and they may be useful because you may hear many controls announced you won't find in ordinary use.  You could find them or most of them by looking around the screen using object review but that is a lot of work and tedious and you may miss things. 
 
In a lot of programs, you don't need to do this but as a matter of curiosity and if you want to see if there may be useful things in a program, you might want to do this. 
 
Sometimes, its just interesting to see how much information sighted people get that blind people don't.  In my e-mail program, for example, Windows Live Mail, if I'm in the main window, I hear all sorts of things that tell sighted people how to open or activate all sorts of features I might not have known about otherwise.  As in a radio, for example, where buttons or knobs might say off/on/volume, tone, etc. so when I use the command in Windows Live mail, I hear all sorts of commands I do in other ways, along with things I would never have happened across, such as start the colorizer.  All sorts of things blind people learn shortcuts for, sighted people can just see as controls in the main Windows, I believe often in toolbars such as reply to a message.  This is one reason why sighted people can use computers so quickly with little knowledge and little time spent learning.  I would never have really known or understood this, if I hadn't used this command in some programs. I had thought mostly sighted people clicked menus and then clicked an item in a menu, for example.  From looking at Windows Live Mail in the main window, I learned that often, it isn't necessary.  The sorts of things I found are the equivalent of keyboard shortcuts but they are visual.  A sighted person may just sees a reply button and click it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Meet modi
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 6:44 AM
Subject: [nvda] question regard current for ground object.

hello all,
Hope you stay safe.
I have question regarding shortcut key insert plus b.
it says speak current for ground object.
whats the mean?
i tried to apply but i am little bit confuse.
it announce whole screen suppose i open word.
so it says document 1 micro soft word, riben tab quick tab ETC so if any can explane proper way please


Re: question regard current for ground object.

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

NVDA+b reads the current foreground object, in other words the object that currently has focus.  It is mostly used for things like windows that pop open to give information and just have an OK button.  NVDA  will usually read out the contents of the Window automatically but if you  wanted to listen to the details again, NVDA+b would read it for you.

 

Cheers

Chris    

               

From: Meet modi
Sent: 15 May 2020 12:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] question regard current for ground object.

 

hello all,

Hope you stay safe.

I have question regarding shortcut key insert plus b.

it says speak current for ground object.

whats the mean?

i tried to apply but i am little bit confuse.

it announce whole screen suppose i open word.

so it says document 1 micro soft word, riben tab quick tab ETC so if any can explane proper way please

 


question regard current for ground object.

Meet modi
 

hello all,
Hope you stay safe.
I have question regarding shortcut key insert plus b.
it says speak current for ground object.
whats the mean?
i tried to apply but i am little bit confuse.
it announce whole screen suppose i open word.
so it says document 1 micro soft word, riben tab quick tab ETC so if any can explane proper way please


Re: Dropbox NVDA question

Charles Adkins
 

Thanks, that worked. Thank you so much.

On May 14, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:

Try this:

"To fix dropbox:
windows B
go to dropbox, enter, context menu appears.
go to preferences,
you are in General,
tab to: ""when starting dropbox go to the desktop app: uncheck this,
tab twice, ""badge"" do not use that,
tab twice to ""open folders in"" change to file explorer.
use alt + down arrow for pulldown,
enter out of there.
--- "

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Adkins
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox NVDA question

It seems like a number of weeks ago the Dropbox innerface changed. Is there a way to force Dropbox to come up in explorer view automatically? Thanks.






Re: Office 365 with NVDA

 

Further replying to my post, office 365 could be thought more like a mobile phone plan than a storage plan.

Storage and office are a part of it but depending on the addition all home additions have 100 minutes of calls a month and professional and business packages have 200 minutes a month.

To be honest though if you live in a family or flatting situation I'd buy the family pack and share the cost with your users.




On 15/05/2020 3:24 pm, Gene wrote:
I doubt its worth payind something like 90 or 100 dollars a year for that free space.  How much would it cost to get space that you pay for directly? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 365 with NVDA

Another advantage is one terabyte of storage space on OneDrive.


On May 13, 2020, at 8:35 AM, heaven.lists92@... wrote:



Dear Denis

 

The main advantage of Microsoft 365 is that Office stays up-to-date at no extra cost.

 

Kind regards

 

Heaven

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 05:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Office 365 with NVDA

 

What are the advantages and disadvantages  of Office 365 with NVDA?  Will it find my account in office 2016?


Re: Office 365 with NVDA

 

Well it depends what you want.

Dropbox has it at 9 bucks a month.

Google has it at 10 bucks a month for the entire suite aparently maybe that has changed now as that was a couple years old.

You can get 50gb on onedrive for 2 dollars 50.

You can get 50gb on mega for free but I have lost my password info.

You can get 250gb on keybase but the client is not really that usable as such though it sounds if you want just data with public access similar to an ftp free with private storage to then all you need would be a free wordpress or wordpress site waith say 500mb to 2 gb for plugins or a free one and link directly to keybase itself.

Icloud has prices from 2 dollars for 50gb to something like 20 dollars for 1tb.

the icloud client for windows aint what you could call a complete accessibility success.

It works enough but enough aint really good enough to be honest.

Actually the most accessible would be if you either had or brought ftp access on something like public ftp, used something like flashfxp to upload and link directly either with ftp, http or https on your own domain but there are costs associated with a lot of that.



On 15/05/2020 3:24 pm, Gene wrote:
I doubt its worth payind something like 90 or 100 dollars a year for that free space.  How much would it cost to get space that you pay for directly? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 365 with NVDA

Another advantage is one terabyte of storage space on OneDrive.


On May 13, 2020, at 8:35 AM, heaven.lists92@... wrote:



Dear Denis

 

The main advantage of Microsoft 365 is that Office stays up-to-date at no extra cost.

 

Kind regards

 

Heaven

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 05:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Office 365 with NVDA

 

What are the advantages and disadvantages  of Office 365 with NVDA?  Will it find my account in office 2016?


Re: Are Unikey and Sogou accessible?

 

Sorry for the mistake.

Please open NVDA user guide, then read section
12.1.8. Keyboard (NVDA+control+k), you'll understand the handle key more clearer then my explaination
Cuong

On 5/15/2020 11:20 AM, Marco Oros wrote:
I don't understand this message.


Re: Are Unikey and Sogou accessible?

Marco Oros
 

I don't understand this message.


Re: Canvas with NVDA

 

There is also the question:  Which Edge?

Right now there is a new, stable, Chromium-based Edge browser which will eventually be the only Edge browser - but one has to intentionally download and install it from the Microsoft Edge Page now if you want it.  Heaven only knows when the rollout to all users will actually gather speed, as so many things have been slowed or postponed secondary to the Covid-19 pandemic.  I suggest people do get and install new Edge, as the original Edge, which is still what most Windows 10 users have, has never been great in a number of ways, and accessibility is one of them.

Gene has a very, very good point about not using Internet Explorer unless absolutely necessary.  Microsoft has been trying to get people to dump Internet Explorer for several years now, but have kept it around during the transition period to Edge only (as a Microsoft browser product - of course Firefox, Chrome, Brave, Opera, and the list goes on and on exist as third-party web browsers).

Original Edge is "dead browser walking" and Internet Explorer has been a zombie for a very long time now.

Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler        (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...            (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ...  (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ...     (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer                    (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld  (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Office 365 with NVDA

Gene
 

I doubt its worth payind something like 90 or 100 dollars a year for that free space.  How much would it cost to get space that you pay for directly? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 365 with NVDA

Another advantage is one terabyte of storage space on OneDrive.


On May 13, 2020, at 8:35 AM, heaven.lists92@... wrote:



Dear Denis

 

The main advantage of Microsoft 365 is that Office stays up-to-date at no extra cost.

 

Kind regards

 

Heaven

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 05:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Office 365 with NVDA

 

What are the advantages and disadvantages  of Office 365 with NVDA?  Will it find my account in office 2016?


Re: Canvas with NVDA

Gene
 

What do you mean by with a screen-reader?  any browser that supports browse mode, as NVDA calls it, or the virtual pc cursor, as JAWS calls it, uses exactly the same commands for moving around pages and reading them.
Control l is used to move you to the address bar for typing an address.
Alt b opens the book marks menu.

Control h opens history.
Control j opens the downloads dialog where you can see the progress of a download and do other things regarding downloads.
 
there is a lot of standardization among popular browsers used by blind people.  Most of these commands such as control j and control h work in Chrome.  The command to open book marks is different.  Also the interface for history and downloads is different.  But for much of what people do, they will find things identical or nearly identical. 
 
That's why its unfortunat that so many people are so unwilling to even try another browser.  Internet Explorer is going to work on increasingly fewer web pages and this has already started.  Isn't it better to try a new browser before you are under pressure to do so?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Canvas with NVDA

Once you get it installed, check in the Help section; there's probably
a list of shortcut keys in there.

Nance

On 5/14/20, Ibrahim Abedrabbo <abedrabboibrahim@...> wrote:
> Thanks Nancy,
> I asked you the question about Fire Fox settings because I have not used it
> for over six years and do not remember much about its shortcuts. I do not
> even know if there is a list for shortcuts of fire fox with a screen
> reader.
> Hopefully some other people who have used fire fox on a regular bases give
> me some tips and hints.
>
> Regards,
> Ibrahim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy
> Shackelford
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:07 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Canvas with NVDA
>
> I don't think I ever had to change any settings with regard to N V D A or
> any other screen reader.
>
> Nance
>
> --
> Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--



Re: Canvas with NVDA

Gene
 

There may be settings you want to change, such as related to book marks and other things but there are no settings related to performance with screen-readers that need to be changed.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Canvas with NVDA

I don't think I ever had to change any settings with regard to N V D A
or any other screen reader.

Nance

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--



Re: Office 365 with NVDA

Ryan Mann
 

Another advantage is one terabyte of storage space on OneDrive.


On May 13, 2020, at 8:35 AM, heaven.lists92@... wrote:



Dear Denis

 

The main advantage of Microsoft 365 is that Office stays up-to-date at no extra cost.

 

Kind regards

 

Heaven

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 05:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Office 365 with NVDA

 

What are the advantages and disadvantages  of Office 365 with NVDA?  Will it find my account in office 2016?


Re: Canvas with NVDA

Nancy Shackelford
 

Once you get it installed, check in the Help section; there's probably
a list of shortcut keys in there.

Nance

On 5/14/20, Ibrahim Abedrabbo <abedrabboibrahim@...> wrote:
Thanks Nancy,
I asked you the question about Fire Fox settings because I have not used it
for over six years and do not remember much about its shortcuts. I do not
even know if there is a list for shortcuts of fire fox with a screen
reader.
Hopefully some other people who have used fire fox on a regular bases give
me some tips and hints.

Regards,
Ibrahim

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy
Shackelford
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Canvas with NVDA

I don't think I ever had to change any settings with regard to N V D A or
any other screen reader.

Nance

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--







--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


Re: Canvas with NVDA

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Thanks Nancy,
I asked you the question about Fire Fox settings because I have not used it for over six years and do not remember much about its shortcuts. I do not even know if there is a list for shortcuts of fire fox with a screen reader.
Hopefully some other people who have used fire fox on a regular bases give me some tips and hints.

Regards,
Ibrahim

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Canvas with NVDA

I don't think I ever had to change any settings with regard to N V D A or any other screen reader.

Nance

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


Re: Canvas with NVDA

Nancy Shackelford
 

I don't think I ever had to change any settings with regard to N V D A
or any other screen reader.

Nance

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


Re: Dropbox NVDA question

Louis Maher
 

Try this:

"To fix dropbox:
windows B
go to dropbox, enter, context menu appears.
go to preferences,
you are in General,
tab to: ""when starting dropbox go to the desktop app: uncheck this,
tab twice, ""badge"" do not use that,
tab twice to ""open folders in"" change to file explorer.
use alt + down arrow for pulldown,
enter out of there.
--- "

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Adkins
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox NVDA question

It seems like a number of weeks ago the Dropbox innerface changed. Is there a way to force Dropbox to come up in explorer view automatically? Thanks.


Dropbox NVDA question

Charles Adkins
 

It seems like a number of weeks ago the Dropbox innerface changed. Is there a way to force Dropbox to come up in explorer view automatically? Thanks.


Re: TripleTalk and 2019.3.1

Charles Adkins
 

I am also hoping for an add-on for the dectalk usb syn. I use NVDA in a broadcast environment and it sure is helpful to have an external syn to work with.

On May 14, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

I think it really would be helpful, as many of us still have these
synthes.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fresh Start
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] TripleTalk and 2019.3.1

Thanks for asking this question. I am hoping there will be an add-on for
Tripple talk also.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan
Milam
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] TripleTalk and 2019.3.1

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone knew of plans to have a TripleTalk USB add-on
created that will work with the latest version of NVDA? One was created
for 2019.2, but obviously no longer works with the new version. If not,
is
there contact information for the original developer?

Thanks,
Jonathan









Re: Issue with pronunciation dictionary

Sarah k Alawami
 

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On 14 May 2020, at 7:32, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Still trying to work out what is wrong here and am getting frustrated. I can't read Voyager fanfics if her name isn't pronounced right!

On 14/05/2020 11:43 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

First of all, I should point out I haven't updated to 2019.3 yet because I've not checked in here in a while and don't know for sure if updating from 2019.2.1 breaks anything I don't want broken/will yell at me for having incompatible addons installed. I'm terrible at checking my emails and I'm sorry.


But I'm having an issue changing a pronunciation and it's bugging me. I'm a Star Trek: Voyager fan, and one character, B'Elanna Torres, has her name spelled as shown here. Except on some websites the apostrophe is turned into a "Right Single Quote". I had fixed the pronunciation for her name years ago, but when I discovered this phenomenon today, I tried to fix it. The literal only difference is the punctuation. I tried making its own entry and adding the same replacement to it. That didn't work. I tried making it case-sensitive. That also did not work. I tested to make sure the dictionary itself wasn't acting up, and another test entry worked just fine. I even tried replacing the single quote with a normal apostrophe and it didn't work.


What am I doing wrong?