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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

hi brian.
i believe that noone cant and should not force others to upgrade the browser.
so, if you like firefox 52esr or any other version, just use it and dont worry!
hi gene.
thanks so much for your helpful informations.
i replied very late, because i was not interested in chrome before and
did not decide to try it.
but now, i wish that use it, (at least for reading for farsi pdfs documents.
but unfortunately its customization is very poor in compare to firefox
and i cant customize it very much.
can you please help me in this regard?
or can i send email you off list to ask my questions about it?
hi david moore.
yes, please send your tutorial for me off list, i need to learn using chrome.

On 5/16/18, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
Hi,



You could still do what Jean was suggesting though, by pressing Control-T
first, not Control-N. As you say, this is a faster way of doing it.



All the best


Steve



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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
muchmore now



Not to split hairs, but it's a new tab (which loads faster AFAIK) not a new
window.



It still saves you a keystroke per search - assuming you want the search
results in a new tab. Also, if you accidnetally search from the wrong tab it
helps loads.



On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...> > wrote:

I just checked. Typing an address and then using alt enter does open the
page in a new window. It does this in a search or when typing an address.
It's a nice convenience, but it doesn't make much difference since, as I
said before, you can use control n to open a new window first, then open a
page.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
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I had thought, when I read about what alt enter does in a previous message,
that it would do the same thing if you type an address. I see from Brian's
message that alt enter evidently only does this when in a list of results
from a search that you see by doing a search using that field. It should
take this action when searching for a book mark in this way as well because
you are in the same search list. But it would be good if someone who uses
the feature would clarify the points.



I say, off an on, never to assume in unfamiliar contexts or environments
when dealing with computers. I assumed what would happen when typing an
address and not being in the list and that assumption may well be wrong.
Experimentation is fine, but you can't assume in an unfamiliar context when
dealing with computers.



Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:54 AM

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
muchmore now



I'm not sure Firefox informs you when a popup has been blocked. I don't
recall seeing such messages. You can never assume anything in unfamiliar
environments. I don't use Chrome enough to know if message information isn't
automatically read. But taking the same action repeatedly, time after time,
in any context dealing with computers accomplishes nothing in general. It
assumes that computers are illogical and that repeating the same failed
action many times will produce a different result. If two or three times
doesn't accomplish anything, repetition further is very unlikely to.
Repeating something a time or two may produce results because some transient
condition may prevent the command from being carried out.



But the first question is, are status messages not read in Chrome and to
answer that question, we need to know what actions produce them, then test
by taking those specific actions.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
muchmore now



And if you use Microsoft Edge or FireFox, you're immediately informed via a
notification bar message that a file has been queued and if you wish to
"Run" or "Save" it. NVDA automatically reads these messages with no
problems.



OK, so you use the Download Manager to monitor if a download has started in
Chrome. What do you do to know if a pop-up was blocked on a page, and you're
clicking the link over and over again not knowing what the hell is going on?
Maybe if NVDA read the dynamic message informing you that a popup was
blocked, then you could take an "Action" to disable the blocker for that
page?



So my problem deals with NVDA not automatically reading any dynamic content
displayed in this Chrome Actions bar.



On 5/15/2018 4:20 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:



Hi Kenny,



I’m not aware that downloads speak in any screen reader. I believe this
should be a Chrome change.



However, it’s easy enough for me to press Control-J and go look at the
percentages. Once it’s in focus, it should be read to you.



All the best


Steve



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Sent: 15 May 2018 02:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
muchmore now



Thanks for sharing the proper shortcut.



I'm curious why hasn't NVDA been configured to speak these "Actions" when
they dynamically appear in Google Chrome? This is the only issue I have with
the browser.



You click on a link to download a file and you have no idea the download has
started. You have to hit Ctrl+j to bring up the Download Manager to check.
Even other Actions aren't spoken automatically by NVDA for the Chrome
browser.



Can't that cool NVDA installation progress sound be configured to activate
for the download progress for Chrome too?



On 5/14/2018 5:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,



Alt+Shif t+A should get you into what Chrome calls Actions, which are the
notifications.



All the best



Steve



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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: 10 May 2018 04:31
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
muchmore now



Can you please share your tutorial with the list again?



I'm hoping you gone over a work around to have the messages being pushed to
Chrome's notification bar automatically read by NVDA?



Also what is the shortcut key to be placed in the notification bar? The
alt+n key combination doesn't seem to work. Thanks.



On 5/6/2018 6:21 PM, David Moore wrote:



Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half
years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you
through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still
finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O
allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in
different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot
other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to
Chrome!

David Moore

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
muchmore now



I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.



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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is
refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to
navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new
browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites
now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have
things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45,
as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that
the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is
also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page
loading times.



Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see
the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come
back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in
effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian



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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much
more now





I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger
liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and,
unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to
implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be
superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as
streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general
browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I
haven't compared.



This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the
interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.



If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still
not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various
considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to
consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.



The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads
pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the
difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I
hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared
them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had
expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable
difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference
that amounted to anything.



I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7
since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is
a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know
what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.



I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say
it's better for general browsing.



The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It
isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a
tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by
exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in
depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.



The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are
that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and
there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and
press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open
like web pages such as settings.



I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as
they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in
browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go
into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the
button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse
mode in that interface, at least at times.



I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to
activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the
case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.



There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.



One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the
search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very
recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be
more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with
it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm
hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it
works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If
you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to
find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow
through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try
reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first
result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not
sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an
important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just
as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.



If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a
lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and
then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and
continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine
questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but
the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't
compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.



Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers
because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the
JAWS name for the same thing.



So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web
sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I
believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address
bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time
to execute control l.



I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.


If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they
may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge
compares.



Gene



























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with all they contain
in order that
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by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: end of the line for nvda skype group

 

I havn't found a way to stop it updating, however you can continue to download and use classic for now.

On win10 it has no updates so it doesn't ask you to do that.

I have pulled out of the nvda descussion group, and I don't need skype to be active right now.

There should be update settings under advanced but I have not found this at all.

As for the future, eventually everyone will have to use the universal app, maybe but who knows.

I don't need skype, and to be honest I may end up abandoning it and calling the expensive but accessible way over the phone or using email.

On 6/8/2018 6:38 PM, zahra wrote:
hi shaun and all.
is it possible to use classic version and ban updating it that never
updates to version 8?
is there any solution for skype?
i just need voice call and reading and sending messages, if it can
supports sending files is good, but the most important priority for me
is voice call and text message.
i dont need group call at this time and it was not be useful for me
until now, not sure about my future needs.

On 6/8/18, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
What about groups and personal things.

One idea for me when skype classic finally dies is to try google
hangouts as coolblindtech guys did use it for one of the reviews and the
quality of the recording was top notch.




On 6/8/2018 6:03 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Check out zoom. I use it for all of my business meetings and I have not
touched team talk since. You can do screen sharing (yes that is
accessible) ) and moe with it. Other users can call in by phone if they
want to or need to. I really love it.

On Jun 7, 2018, at 2:56 AM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

It looks like its not completely the end.

It appears for 7 and 8 users we will have to just not install the skype
classic update.

For 10 users, it appears microsoft have left us alone.

Previded we can get the skype classic program, ms doesn't ask us to
switch over to the universal.

So at least for the moment they are leaving us alone who knows how long
that is but still.

I have not as yet tried this.

The nvda skype group didn't have much traffic and I was thinking of
pulling out anyway.

Skype isnot a real issue for me as I hardly use it.

Skype web via miranda works for text, now if I can use it to call skype
then fine I guess.

There is zello but I have never figured it out as such.

On the other side those of us on android and ios devices will still be
able to use skype,.

This seems to effect desktops, that is windows, mac and linux only.

For group chats there is teamtalk, and tthub.org <http://tthub.org/> are
offering competitive rates right now.

I am interested though in some kind of voip or sip app that is easy to
use, accessible and can use as a protocol skype calls, messages, groups
and file shares which are the only things I ever use.

If that can be done and if I can login with my skype account then fine.

Right now skype classic still works.

Eventually that may die but who knows.

The skype interface with miranda ng is a bit different, I will have to
get used to it but right now well.

I don't use skype enough to justify upgrading to anything new, I barely
use that much of skype's power as it is.




On 6/7/2018 9:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I have to say its not been used here for almost a year now.
I find it irritating that such a simple system is not being made
available in a basic form for low tech users and without the flashy
front end changes every fortnight. Skype always had a reputation of
bringing out improvements that broke it, and it seems this has not
stopped with Microsoft owning it, sadly.
So what else is out there for desktop machines for good quality audio
over the internet free?
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] end of the line for nvda skype group


Hi all of you.

Pulling out of nvda skype group now because of 1, skypes uncertain
future and 2. the fact I hardly contribute to it, I will shift all my
conversational contributions to this list from now on if I havn't
allready.

I will still use skype classic for family, but due to things as they
stand I may have to remove skype from my contact and other info, it
will be email for internationals only, skype if they need, but I will
no longer advertise.

Microsoft has lost another user, skype classic interface is easy to
understand, the new one I just don't care for.

Its a pitty its got to end this way but I may as well cut my losses
right now rather than having to bother with things going bang.

I will have to either search for another solution or start paying high
charges for international calls because skype new versions are
inaccessible.

Way to go ms.

Can't skype classic just be pulled from the update loop and still be
kept active?







Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

 

Hi,
It does not affect 2018.2.
As for dependencies and Python 3: we're not yet talking about Python 3 transition as something that's in progress; rather, we're talking about wxPython 4, a necessary milestone before we can even think about Python 3 work. Moving to Python 3 has huger implications than switching to wxPython 4, as some add-ons will break, especially those that are orphaned at this time (no maintainer, lost contact with authors, etc.).
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

Just to clarify, i do not think its an issue in the new current rc3 of
2018.2 is it? its when the new code for getting ready for Python 3 hits nvda that we all may need to go on an add on updating spree. It also seems to me that for some reasons we are going to need old and new versions of add ons, as updates may screw it for the older installs. Those people may well be in companies and unable to update until their sys admins do so.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on
2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended


Hi,

Hopefully this will get fixed soon. I will, too, be staying back as
this is used pretty regularly when I use NVDA.



On 07-Jun-2018 10:17 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

I use it regularly with users. If this is not fixed before new
release, I will need to stay back until they get it working. It is
too important to my work.


On 6/7/2018 4:17 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I’ve never gotten it to work, I’ve tried several times since it came
out.

Glenn

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*Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:58 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote
Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release
recommended

I Actually did not take part in the crowd funding as I didn't
believe this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so
perosnally did not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and
ask them to please fix? At least for some of us who use it. I only
used it once and that was this year.

Here's hoping for a fix eh?



On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard <mallard@...
<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the
development of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it
very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:


Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next
snapshots, users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues
related to missing attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

* I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
* Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com
<http://nvdaremote.com> website explaining that Remote add-on should
be disabled if using recent NVDA next snapshots.
* The community should release an updated version of this add-on
with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph







Re: portable HTML editor with auto-complete function

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Wolfram,

Yes, NOtepad++ does it.

If you go to settings, then preferences,

you have to choose the tab, auto complete, Check Html/xml tags.

I hope this helps.

Best

Sylvie




Le 07/06/2018 à 21:41, Wolf Berg via Groups.Io a écrit :
Hi list,
which program you can recommand for editing HTML files with autocomplete bzw. auto tagging so that the system or program writes the close tag of e.g. "<ol>" automatically? For Linux users we use bluefish based on GTK framework. When I write "<ol>" the program writes for a complete tag the string "</ol>" automatically.
Is e.g. notepad++ able to do that? I am searching for a portable app.
Greetings,
Wolfram





Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

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Just to clarify, i do not think its an issue in the new current rc3 of 2018.2 is it? its when the new code for getting ready for Python 3 hits nvda that we all may need to go on an add on updating spree. It also seems to me that for some reasons we are going to need old and new versions of add ons, as updates may screw it for the older installs. Those people may well be in companies and unable to update until their sys admins do so.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended


Hi,

Hopefully this will get fixed soon. I will, too, be staying back as this
is used pretty regularly when I use NVDA.



On 07-Jun-2018 10:17 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

I use it regularly with users. If this is not fixed before new
release, I will need to stay back until they get it working. It is too
important to my work.


On 6/7/2018 4:17 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I’ve never gotten it to work, I’ve tried several times since it came out.

Glenn

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*Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:58 PM
*To:* nvda list list
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote
Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release
recommended

I Actually did not take part in the crowd funding as I didn't
believe this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so
perosnally did not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and
ask them to please fix? At least for some of us who use it. I only
used it once and that was this year.

Here's hoping for a fix eh?



On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard <mallard@...
<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the
development of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it
very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:


Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next
snapshots, users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues
related to missing attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

* I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
* Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com
<http://nvdaremote.com> website explaining
that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next
snapshots.
* The community should release an updated version of this add-on
with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

 

Hi,
No, as this has to do with GUI.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

So if you get a person with an older nvda using the current version and want to connect to them with the prospective new version of nvda later in the year with the fix, does that pose any issues?
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on
2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended


I Actually did not take part in the crowd funding as I didn't believe this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so perosnally did not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and ask them to please fix? At least for some of us who use it. I only used it once and that was this year.

Here's hoping for a fix eh?

On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the
development of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it
very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:

Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next
snapshots, users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues
related to missing attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

* I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
* Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com website explaining
that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next
snapshots.
* The community should release an updated version of this add-on
with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

So if you get a person with an older nvda using the current version and want to connect to them with the prospective new version of nvda later in the year with the fix, does that pose any issues?
Brian

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To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended


I Actually did not take part in the crowd funding as I didn't believe this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so perosnally did not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and ask them to please fix? At least for some of us who use it. I only used it once and that was this year.

Here's hoping for a fix eh?

On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the development of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:

Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next snapshots, users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues related to missing attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

* I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
* Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com website explaining
that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next
snapshots.
* The community should release an updated version of this add-on
with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: i need list of accessible browsers

 

hi again gene nz.
i searched in google and found this link.
it has very basic explanations for browsers and i encourage you that
in general, update this page freequently, because of the rapid changes
in the softwares.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda_road_tested_programs.html
by the way, it not mentioned chromium.
is chromium realy accessible?
and which one is better in terms of accessibility, google chrome or chromium?

On 6/8/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi brian.
thanks so much for your explanations and guide.
firefox 52.6 and later are very slow on my system when starting time
or openning dynamic websites (i believe its because of the spectre
patch!
but i even i tested firefox 45.9, it was faster, but not very much.
i have a problem recently using firefox esr (any esr version that tested)
nvda reads this message for me when openning many https websites.


The connection was interrupted while the page was loading.
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified. Please
contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.

yesterday, i reinstalled firefox 51 and fixed both the error issue and
slowness on xp.
i think that it even open websites faster, so, i believe that i should
use firefox 51 forever and never update it!
hi rosemarie.
thanks for your suggestion, but i use 32bit windows, and dont need and
dont like 64bit windows and 64bit browsers!

On 6/8/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi gene nz.
can you please send me direct link of your tutorial?
i did not find it in your website now.
hi shaun.
thanks so much for your explanation.
but between google chrome and chromium, which one is better for
accessibility with nvda?
did you test chromium to explane for me about diffrences between
google chrome and chromium?

On 6/6/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
If you're looking for a perfect browser, you won't find one. You could
try waterfox and see if that works for you.




On 6/4/2018 3:46 AM, zahra wrote:
but many people experienced different browsers and i wish that know
your experience as well as other users observation and test with other
browsers.
which of the browsers that i mentioned did you test?
chromium, vivaldi, slimjet and opera.
i need chrome based browsers for reading pdfs and there is not any
perfect and accessible free program that can supports farsi pdf files
for me.
also, between chromium and google chrome, which one is the best
program for accessibility using with nvda?

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
If you're looking for a list which is tuned to your personal criteria,
then

you are the best person to create such a list, based on your own
assessment
of
what works well and what doesn't.

If you're looking for a general list which may be applicable to people
other

than yourself, then I think I've already given reasons why it doesn't
exist.


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 12:21:27, zahra wrote:

hi antony,
for number 2, as you know, i only have nvda on windows and dont know
and dont have any operating systems and screen reader except windows
and nvda.
i dont use video websites, online shopp, games, messengers, etc.
so, i need the information for general usage of browsers in
accessibility with nvda,
the browsers that are based on gecko and chrome,
and also specially about the browsers that i mentioned there names in
my previous comment.
please help, thanks so much, God bless you!

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I do not think you will find such a list, because:

1. browsers change too quickly, with new releases, bug fixes, extra
features etc, so it would be a lot of work to keep any list up to
date
with these changes

2. there isn't a single measure of "accessibility" because some
browser
features work better with NVDA than with JAWS, some work better with
JAWS
than with Voiceover, some work better with Braille than with speech
output, so there isn't a single way of measuring the accessibility
of
a
browser that is meaningful to everyone

3. it also depends on what sort of websites you visit and what you
want
to do with your browser, so for some purposes and users one browser
/
screenreader combination may be best, but for other uses and users
that
may not be the best choice.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 11:31:32, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on
firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
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I would not do it.
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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
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from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: end of the line for nvda skype group

 

hi shaun and all.
is it possible to use classic version and ban updating it that never
updates to version 8?
is there any solution for skype?
i just need voice call and reading and sending messages, if it can
supports sending files is good, but the most important priority for me
is voice call and text message.
i dont need group call at this time and it was not be useful for me
until now, not sure about my future needs.

On 6/8/18, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
What about groups and personal things.

One idea for me when skype classic finally dies is to try google
hangouts as coolblindtech guys did use it for one of the reviews and the
quality of the recording was top notch.




On 6/8/2018 6:03 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Check out zoom. I use it for all of my business meetings and I have not
touched team talk since. You can do screen sharing (yes that is
accessible) ) and moe with it. Other users can call in by phone if they
want to or need to. I really love it.

On Jun 7, 2018, at 2:56 AM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

It looks like its not completely the end.

It appears for 7 and 8 users we will have to just not install the skype
classic update.

For 10 users, it appears microsoft have left us alone.

Previded we can get the skype classic program, ms doesn't ask us to
switch over to the universal.

So at least for the moment they are leaving us alone who knows how long
that is but still.

I have not as yet tried this.

The nvda skype group didn't have much traffic and I was thinking of
pulling out anyway.

Skype isnot a real issue for me as I hardly use it.

Skype web via miranda works for text, now if I can use it to call skype
then fine I guess.

There is zello but I have never figured it out as such.

On the other side those of us on android and ios devices will still be
able to use skype,.

This seems to effect desktops, that is windows, mac and linux only.

For group chats there is teamtalk, and tthub.org <http://tthub.org/> are
offering competitive rates right now.

I am interested though in some kind of voip or sip app that is easy to
use, accessible and can use as a protocol skype calls, messages, groups
and file shares which are the only things I ever use.

If that can be done and if I can login with my skype account then fine.

Right now skype classic still works.

Eventually that may die but who knows.

The skype interface with miranda ng is a bit different, I will have to
get used to it but right now well.

I don't use skype enough to justify upgrading to anything new, I barely
use that much of skype's power as it is.




On 6/7/2018 9:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I have to say its not been used here for almost a year now.
I find it irritating that such a simple system is not being made
available in a basic form for low tech users and without the flashy
front end changes every fortnight. Skype always had a reputation of
bringing out improvements that broke it, and it seems this has not
stopped with Microsoft owning it, sadly.
So what else is out there for desktop machines for good quality audio
over the internet free?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] end of the line for nvda skype group


Hi all of you.

Pulling out of nvda skype group now because of 1, skypes uncertain
future and 2. the fact I hardly contribute to it, I will shift all my
conversational contributions to this list from now on if I havn't
allready.

I will still use skype classic for family, but due to things as they
stand I may have to remove skype from my contact and other info, it
will be email for internationals only, skype if they need, but I will
no longer advertise.

Microsoft has lost another user, skype classic interface is easy to
understand, the new one I just don't care for.

Its a pitty its got to end this way but I may as well cut my losses
right now rather than having to bother with things going bang.

I will have to either search for another solution or start paying high
charges for international calls because skype new versions are
inaccessible.

Way to go ms.

Can't skype classic just be pulled from the update loop and still be
kept active?








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: i need list of accessible browsers

 

hi brian.
thanks so much for your explanations and guide.
firefox 52.6 and later are very slow on my system when starting time
or openning dynamic websites (i believe its because of the spectre
patch!
but i even i tested firefox 45.9, it was faster, but not very much.
i have a problem recently using firefox esr (any esr version that tested)
nvda reads this message for me when openning many https websites.


The connection was interrupted while the page was loading.
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified. Please
contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.

yesterday, i reinstalled firefox 51 and fixed both the error issue and
slowness on xp.
i think that it even open websites faster, so, i believe that i should
use firefox 51 forever and never update it!
hi rosemarie.
thanks for your suggestion, but i use 32bit windows, and dont need and
dont like 64bit windows and 64bit browsers!

On 6/8/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi gene nz.
can you please send me direct link of your tutorial?
i did not find it in your website now.
hi shaun.
thanks so much for your explanation.
but between google chrome and chromium, which one is better for
accessibility with nvda?
did you test chromium to explane for me about diffrences between
google chrome and chromium?

On 6/6/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
If you're looking for a perfect browser, you won't find one. You could
try waterfox and see if that works for you.




On 6/4/2018 3:46 AM, zahra wrote:
but many people experienced different browsers and i wish that know
your experience as well as other users observation and test with other
browsers.
which of the browsers that i mentioned did you test?
chromium, vivaldi, slimjet and opera.
i need chrome based browsers for reading pdfs and there is not any
perfect and accessible free program that can supports farsi pdf files
for me.
also, between chromium and google chrome, which one is the best
program for accessibility using with nvda?

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
If you're looking for a list which is tuned to your personal criteria,
then

you are the best person to create such a list, based on your own
assessment
of
what works well and what doesn't.

If you're looking for a general list which may be applicable to people
other

than yourself, then I think I've already given reasons why it doesn't
exist.


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 12:21:27, zahra wrote:

hi antony,
for number 2, as you know, i only have nvda on windows and dont know
and dont have any operating systems and screen reader except windows
and nvda.
i dont use video websites, online shopp, games, messengers, etc.
so, i need the information for general usage of browsers in
accessibility with nvda,
the browsers that are based on gecko and chrome,
and also specially about the browsers that i mentioned there names in
my previous comment.
please help, thanks so much, God bless you!

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I do not think you will find such a list, because:

1. browsers change too quickly, with new releases, bug fixes, extra
features etc, so it would be a lot of work to keep any list up to
date
with these changes

2. there isn't a single measure of "accessibility" because some
browser
features work better with NVDA than with JAWS, some work better with
JAWS
than with Voiceover, some work better with Braille than with speech
output, so there isn't a single way of measuring the accessibility of
a
browser that is meaningful to everyone

3. it also depends on what sort of websites you visit and what you
want
to do with your browser, so for some purposes and users one browser /
screenreader combination may be best, but for other uses and users
that
may not be the best choice.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 11:31:32, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on
firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
--
Wanted: telepath. You know where to apply.

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't*
CC
me.







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

 

hi.
i agree with david moore.
i love nvda remote and use it a lot of times.
hope that it continue to work that i can get support from one of the
computer engineer who help me a lot.

On 6/8/18, Steve Nomer <swnomer@...> wrote:
Is there any way to get the Remote Access function added to NVDA itself
so it does not have to be implemented in an add-on? I'm using this
function to control machines at a remote location for a telephone reader
project in my city. I suspect others are becoming dependent on being
able to access machines remotely as well.


Steve


On 6/7/2018 10:06 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

Hopefully this will get fixed soon. I will, too, be staying back as
this is used pretty regularly when I use NVDA.



On 07-Jun-2018 10:17 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

I use it regularly with users. If this is not fixed before new
release, I will need to stay back until they get it working. It is
too important to my work.


On 6/7/2018 4:17 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I’ve never gotten it to work, I’ve tried several times since it came
out.

Glenn

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:58 PM
*To:* nvda list list
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote
Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release
recommended

I  Actually did not take part in the  crowd funding  as I didn't
believe this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so
perosnally did not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and
ask them to please fix? At least for some  of us who use it. I only
used it once and that was this year.

Here's hoping for a fix eh?



On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard <mallard@...
<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the
development of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it
very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:


Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next
snapshots, users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues
related to missing attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

 * I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
 * Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com
<http://nvdaremote.com> website explaining
   that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next
   snapshots.
 * The community should release an updated version of this add-on
   with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: i need list of accessible browsers

 

hi gene nz.
can you please send me direct link of your tutorial?
i did not find it in your website now.
hi shaun.
thanks so much for your explanation.
but between google chrome and chromium, which one is better for
accessibility with nvda?
did you test chromium to explane for me about diffrences between
google chrome and chromium?

On 6/6/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
If you're looking for a perfect browser, you won't find one. You could
try waterfox and see if that works for you.




On 6/4/2018 3:46 AM, zahra wrote:
but many people experienced different browsers and i wish that know
your experience as well as other users observation and test with other
browsers.
which of the browsers that i mentioned did you test?
chromium, vivaldi, slimjet and opera.
i need chrome based browsers for reading pdfs and there is not any
perfect and accessible free program that can supports farsi pdf files
for me.
also, between chromium and google chrome, which one is the best
program for accessibility using with nvda?

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
If you're looking for a list which is tuned to your personal criteria,
then

you are the best person to create such a list, based on your own
assessment
of
what works well and what doesn't.

If you're looking for a general list which may be applicable to people
other

than yourself, then I think I've already given reasons why it doesn't
exist.


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 12:21:27, zahra wrote:

hi antony,
for number 2, as you know, i only have nvda on windows and dont know
and dont have any operating systems and screen reader except windows
and nvda.
i dont use video websites, online shopp, games, messengers, etc.
so, i need the information for general usage of browsers in
accessibility with nvda,
the browsers that are based on gecko and chrome,
and also specially about the browsers that i mentioned there names in
my previous comment.
please help, thanks so much, God bless you!

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I do not think you will find such a list, because:

1. browsers change too quickly, with new releases, bug fixes, extra
features etc, so it would be a lot of work to keep any list up to date
with these changes

2. there isn't a single measure of "accessibility" because some
browser
features work better with NVDA than with JAWS, some work better with
JAWS
than with Voiceover, some work better with Braille than with speech
output, so there isn't a single way of measuring the accessibility of
a
browser that is meaningful to everyone

3. it also depends on what sort of websites you visit and what you
want
to do with your browser, so for some purposes and users one browser /
screenreader combination may be best, but for other uses and users
that
may not be the best choice.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 11:31:32, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on
firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
--
Wanted: telepath. You know where to apply.

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't*
CC
me.






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

Steve Nomer
 

Is there any way to get the Remote Access function added to NVDA itself so it does not have to be implemented in an add-on? I'm using this function to control machines at a remote location for a telephone reader project in my city. I suspect others are becoming dependent on being able to access machines remotely as well.


Steve


On 6/7/2018 10:06 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

Hopefully this will get fixed soon. I will, too, be staying back as this is used pretty regularly when I use NVDA.



On 07-Jun-2018 10:17 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

I use it regularly with users. If this is not fixed before new release, I will need to stay back until they get it working. It is too important to my work.


On 6/7/2018 4:17 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I’ve never gotten it to work, I’ve tried several times since it came out.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:58 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

 

I  Actually did not take part in the  crowd funding  as I didn't believe this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so perosnally did not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

 

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and ask them to please fix? At least for some  of us who use it. I only used it once and that was this year.

 

Here's hoping for a fix eh?



On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

 

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the development of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:


Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next snapshots, users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues related to missing attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

 * I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
 * Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com website explaining
   that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next
   snapshots.
 * The community should release an updated version of this add-on
   with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph




 





Re: Latest next, cannot add entries to a dictionnary

 

Hi,
Resolved in next snapshot build 15211. This build and the previous one also resolved an issue where you could not open settings panels after you close it once.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: @joslee <@joslee>
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:07 AM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] Latest next, cannot add entries to a dictionnary

Hi,
I'll take a look, as I can confirm this problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michel Such
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest next, cannot add entries to a dictionnary

It is next 15184,0771d5d7



Michel Such

Le 07/06/2018 à 18:48, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
Which next snapshot build do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michel
Such
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Latest next, cannot add entries to a dictionnary

Hi all,


I guess it comes from migration to WXPython 4.01 which needs some adjustments, bu I just noticed that at this point it is impossible to add something to a pronunciation dictionnary.


Another thing I'm not completely sure of, it seems that, when closing some dialogs, the window which contained them remains on screen but is nomore accessible.

I suppose that because my wife looked at my sreen and told me I had 6
or
7 NVDA Windows on it.



Re: end of the line for nvda skype group

 

What about groups and personal things.

One idea for me when skype classic finally dies is to try google hangouts as coolblindtech guys did use it for one of the reviews and the quality of the recording was top notch.

On 6/8/2018 6:03 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Check out zoom. I use it for all of my business meetings and I have not touched team talk since. You can do screen sharing (yes that is accessible) ) and moe with it. Other users can call in by phone if they want to or need to. I really love it.

On Jun 7, 2018, at 2:56 AM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

It looks like its not completely the end.

It appears for 7 and 8 users we will have to just not install the skype classic update.

For 10 users, it appears microsoft have left us alone.

Previded we can get the skype classic program, ms doesn't ask us to switch over to the universal.

So at least for the moment they are leaving us alone who knows how long that is but still.

I have not as yet tried this.

The nvda skype group didn't have much traffic and I was thinking of pulling out anyway.

Skype isnot a real issue for me as I hardly use it.

Skype web via miranda works for text, now if I can use it to call skype then fine I guess.

There is zello but I have never figured it out as such.

On the other side those of us on android and ios devices will still be able to use skype,.

This seems to effect desktops, that is windows, mac and linux only.

For group chats there is teamtalk, and tthub.org <http://tthub.org/> are offering competitive rates right now.

I am interested though in some kind of voip or sip app that is easy to use, accessible and can use as a protocol skype calls, messages, groups and file shares which are the only things I ever use.

If that can be done and if I can login with my skype account then fine.

Right now skype classic still works.

Eventually that may die but who knows.

The skype interface with miranda ng is a bit different, I will have to get used to it but right now well.

I don't use skype enough to justify upgrading to anything new, I barely use that much of skype's power as it is.




On 6/7/2018 9:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I have to say its not been used here for almost a year now.
I find it irritating that such a simple system is not being made available in a basic form for low tech users and without the flashy front end changes every fortnight. Skype always had a reputation of bringing out improvements that broke it, and it seems this has not stopped with Microsoft owning it, sadly.
So what else is out there for desktop machines for good quality audio over the internet free?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] end of the line for nvda skype group


Hi all of you.

Pulling out of nvda skype group now because of 1, skypes uncertain future and 2. the fact I hardly contribute to it, I will shift all my conversational contributions to this list from now on if I havn't allready.

I will still use skype classic for family, but due to things as they stand I may have to remove skype from my contact and other info, it will be email for internationals only, skype if they need, but I will no longer advertise.

Microsoft has lost another user, skype classic interface is easy to understand, the new one I just don't care for.

Its a pitty its got to end this way but I may as well cut my losses right now rather than having to bother with things going bang.

I will have to either search for another solution or start paying high charges for international calls because skype new versions are inaccessible.

Way to go ms.

Can't skype classic just be pulled from the update loop and still be kept active?






Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Hopefully this will get fixed soon. I will, too, be staying back as this is used pretty regularly when I use NVDA.



On 07-Jun-2018 10:17 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

I use it regularly with users. If this is not fixed before new release, I will need to stay back until they get it working. It is too important to my work.


On 6/7/2018 4:17 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I’ve never gotten it to work, I’ve tried several times since it came out.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:58 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

 

I  Actually did not take part in the  crowd funding  as I didn't believe this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so perosnally did not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

 

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and ask them to please fix? At least for some  of us who use it. I only used it once and that was this year.

 

Here's hoping for a fix eh?



On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

 

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the development of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:


Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next snapshots, users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues related to missing attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

 * I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
 * Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com website explaining
   that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next
   snapshots.
 * The community should release an updated version of this add-on
   with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph




 




Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

Richard Wells
 

I use it regularly with users. If this is not fixed before new release, I will need to stay back until they get it working. It is too important to my work.


On 6/7/2018 4:17 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I’ve never gotten it to work, I’ve tried several times since it came out.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:58 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

 

I  Actually did not take part in the  crowd funding  as I didn't believe this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so perosnally did not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

 

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and ask them to please fix? At least for some  of us who use it. I only used it once and that was this year.

 

Here's hoping for a fix eh?



On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

 

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the development of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:


Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next snapshots, users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues related to missing attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

 * I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
 * Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com website explaining
   that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next
   snapshots.
 * The community should release an updated version of this add-on
   with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph




 



Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

 

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:34 am, Adriani Botez wrote:
My statement applies in case it is known that the addon causes the conflict and not the implementation of WX 4 in NVDA
Add-ons/extensions, in any setting that uses same, follow the core code - not the other way around.   The core functions cannot and will not stand still, and the add-ons sometimes cannot, either.

'Twas ever thus.
 
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Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

David Moore
 

Hi all!

I use NVDA remote add-on all the time!

I have helped many people use NVDA with this add-on.

I pray that there is a fix soon. This would be a tragedy if this add-on did not work anymore!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

 

I love it. I use it all the time. I was glad to participate in the

crowd funding.

 

On 6/7/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

> I’ve never gotten it to work, I’ve tried several times since it came out.

> Glenn

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k

> Alawami

> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:58 PM

> To: nvda list list

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on

> 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

> I  Actually did not take part in the  crowd funding  as I didn't believe

> this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so perosnally did

> not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

> Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and ask

> them to please fix? At least for some  of us who use it. I only used it once

> and that was this year.

> Here's hoping for a fix eh?

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard

> <mallard@...<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

> Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the development

> of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it very soon,

> Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:

> Hi all,

> The below notice is considered critical:

> It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next snapshots,

> users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues related to missing

> attribute in wxPython 4.

> I propose the following solutions:

>  * I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.

>  * Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com<http://nvdaremote.com>

> website explaining

>    that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next

>    snapshots.

>  * The community should release an updated version of this add-on

>    with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

> Thanks.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

 

 

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Re: Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on 2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

Jackie
 

I love it. I use it all the time. I was glad to participate in the
crowd funding.

On 6/7/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
I’ve never gotten it to work, I’ve tried several times since it came out.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:58 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on compatibility notice: NvDA Remote Support add-on
2.1 is not compatible with wxPython 4, new release recommended

I Actually did not take part in the crowd funding as I didn't believe
this add on would ever happen, and I knew one of the devs so perosnally did
not crowd fund it, I just will not go thee, not here.

Anyway yeah any way to get hold of the devs of the remote add on and ask
them to please fix? At least for some of us who use it. I only used it once
and that was this year.

Here's hoping for a fix eh?


On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Mallard
<mallard@...<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

Considering that, unlike other add-ons, we all crowdfunded the development
of this very add-on, I'd hope something is done about it very soon,





Il 07/06/2018 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:


Hi all,

The below notice is considered critical:

It’s happening again: with the introduction of wxPython 4 in next snapshots,
users of NVDA Remote add-on are having startup issues related to missing
attribute in wxPython 4.

I propose the following solutions:

* I highly recommend releasing Remote add-on 2.2 to fix this issue.
* Perhaps adding a statement on nvdaremote.com<http://nvdaremote.com>
website explaining
that Remote add-on should be disabled if using recent NVDA next
snapshots.
* The community should release an updated version of this add-on
with permission from add-on authors and maintainers.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph





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