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Re: I've had it with Firefox
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
OK, Gene, so, I just tested even with NVDA doing as you said, and yeah, that isn't working either. I can't even give you a particular site to test, as it's happening 95% of the time regardless the URL.
Chris.
On 07/07/2018 06:00 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: I've had it with Firefox
Gene
I'm not sure and since the thread now includes
NVDA, I answered in another message concerning NVDA as well. If the
suggestions I made don't work, I'm not sure if I have other suggestions but
since the topic has been broadened, my next answer is now on topic.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox Gene, how in Thunderbird would I extract your personal e-mail address from your post to the list? Seeing I was mainly discussing JAWS, not NVDA, I boobooed. I didn't read the e-mail headers correctly, and thought this was on a totally different list which sometimes discussez JFW. I consider my message further to be off topic for this list. I'd like however to try your suggestion, and if it doesn't work, e-mail you privately so we can keep trouble shooting... that is... of course, if you're OK with that. Alas, thank you for your help. Chris. On 07/07/2018 05:53 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: I've had it with Firefox
Gene
If you are seeing this behavior with NVDA and JAWS,
it sounds as though Firefox isn't allowing the buffer to line up properly or to
work properly with the control you are working with in the buffor. Go to
the control you want to work with, turn off the virtual PC cursor or browse
mode, and read the current line to see where you are. If you are in the
right place, work with the control and see what happens. If you want to
move to the control, try doing so and work with it.
There is almost no difference browsing between
Firefox and Chrome. If you explain specifically what you object to or have
problems with, we might be able to help with the Chrome problems.
If it is too cumbersome to work with Firefox until
the problem is corrected, itmight be worth trying to see what you object to in
Chrome and how we might lessen or remove the problems.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox Forgive me. I thought this was on the Win10 list, not NVDA. This being said, I'm still seeing this as well with NVDA. Pardon my carelessness. Chris. On 07/07/2018 01:48 PM, Lenron wrote: > I must agree it works great for youTube > > On 7/7/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote: >> I actually hate chrome on windows. I dunno what it is. It’s fast but to me >> feels sticky and clunky. I will only use chrome for youtube as that’s when >> it in my humble opinion works the best. >> >>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:29 AM, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Firefox is too slow for me: i have abandoned it for Chrome which is far >>> better and Ithink usable too. >>> >>> If you try Chrome, you will no longer want to use anything else. >>> Just a suggestion of course. >>> >>> Il 06/07/2018 19:00, Dave Grossoehme ha scritto: >>>> You could have a valid point on video cards or even sound cards. It's >>>> known that different processors make a difference on what software is >>>> running >>>> >>>> Insider Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/29/2018 4:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote: >>>>> Hi Gene, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This whole issue with Firefox is odd, but since I have seen no >>>>> complaints about Firefox sluggishness or unresponsiveness from sighted >>>>> people, the issue has to be somehow related to screen reader usage >>>>> and/or the way JAWS, NVDA and other screen readers interface with >>>>> Firefox under very complex conditions. I am still wondering about video >>>>> card or internal video chips conflicts. I know everyone at Freedom >>>>> Scientific/VFO used to get mad at me when I worked for them every time >>>>> something like this would happen with a program--wherein some people had >>>>> no issues and others had several issues. I would bring up video >>>>> card/chip conflicts of issues and they would yell at me that all such >>>>> issues involving screen readers (in the words of the old gospel song) it >>>>> was all settled long ago. Still, I wonder! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/29/2018 5:10 AM, Gene wrote: >>>>>> this discussion needs perspective, in my opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which version of firefox is inefficient with memory? According to a >>>>>> review I read of the new Firefox, it is much more efficient with >>>>>> memory. and efficient or not, no browser is going to require that a >>>>>> computer have 4 or 5gb of RAM to work. >>>>>> >>>>>> and the slowness is, as far as I can reasonably infer, because of >>>>>> unresolved accessibility issues. Since there are very conflicting >>>>>> reports, with some people being very pleased with the new Firefox and >>>>>> others not, we'll have to see how things work out over time. Something >>>>>> unknown is evidently causing a wide disparity. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you read reviews by sighted reviewers, the new Firefox is very fast >>>>>> and is now a realistic competitor to Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding privacy, according to one or two reviews, Firefox is now >>>>>> better at protecting privacy, or providing options to do so, than >>>>>> Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Waterfox is based on an ESR version of Firefox. it's a small operation >>>>>> and how well it will keep up with security fixes that are necessary is, >>>>>> as far as I can see, not known. How will it keep up in general? If it >>>>>> bases itself on ESR versions of Firefox, and with a new ESR version of >>>>>> Firefox coming out within about a week or less, are all the advantages >>>>>> you like in Waterfox going to disappear? the new ESR version of >>>>>> firefox, on which Waterfox is based, will be a quantum version. We'll >>>>>> see what it is like and how people comment on it here. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is, at present, far too much that isn't known about future >>>>>> developments. A strong antiFirefox bias predisposes against making the >>>>>> best choices in future and may cause people not to pay attention to >>>>>> future developments as soon as they might, thus, perhaps, delaying >>>>>> benefiting from future advantages. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gene >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io >>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 3:31 AM >>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox >>>>>> >>>>>> Blimey, I only have 8 gigs of ram. You can with the resource monitor >>>>>> add on >>>>>> see very clearly that Firefox is not very efficient at processor or >>>>>> memory >>>>>> use most of the time. I have an I5 and its been unthrottled too. >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...> >>>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:- >>>>>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting >>>>>> 'Brian Gaff' >>>>>> in the display name field. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@... >>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@...>> >>>>>> To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:37 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for >>>>>> the >>>>>> public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a >>>>>> bit. I >>>>>> woudl just check for updates and stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@... >>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 >>>>>>> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for >>>>>>> Windows 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> >>>>>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>> on behalf >>>>>>> of Sarah k >>>>>>> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...> >>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM >>>>>>> To: nvda list list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have. And no I do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah >>>>>>> firefox >>>>>>> is snappy on my win 10 64 bit machine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@... >>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...> >>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 >>>>>>>> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for >>>>>>>> Windows 10 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> >>>>>>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>> on behalf >>>>>>>> of Sarah k >>>>>>>> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...> >>>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM >>>>>>>> To: nvda list list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and >>>>>>>> chrome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales >>>>>>>>> <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@... >>>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I >>>>>>>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I >>>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>>> the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May >>>>>>>>> I’ll >>>>>>>>> wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Edge are good buddies. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 >>>>>>>>> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for >>>>>>>>> Windows 10 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. >>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?" >>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" >>> >> >> >> >> >
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Re: I've had it with Firefox
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
Gene, how in Thunderbird would I extract your personal e-mail address from your post to the list?
Seeing I was mainly discussing JAWS, not NVDA, I boobooed. I didn't read the e-mail headers correctly, and thought this was on a totally different list which sometimes discussez JFW. I consider my message further to be off topic for this list.
I'd like however to try your suggestion, and if it doesn't work, e-mail you privately so we can keep trouble shooting... that is... of course, if you're OK with that.
Alas, thank you for your help.
Chris.
On 07/07/2018 05:53 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: I've had it with Firefox
Gene
With JAWS and not with NVDA? Maybe you should
use NVDA with Firefox for a time and JAWS with it only if necessary for some
reason.
Also, your problem may be that JAWS isn't lining up
what is in the buffer with the actual control you want to work with. Try
the following:
Press the left mouse button instead of enter.
Don't route anything or change to any other cursor than the virtual PC
cursor. Just press the left mouse button instead of enter.
I have one or two other suggestions that might help
but if this one solves the problem, trying the others won't be
necessary.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox this's been already mentioned. I have managed to get so much mail in my inbox these last few days of abscence, that I can't possibly go through everything quickly. One thing with JAWS 2018 and the latest build of Firefox 61 that I'm seeing is an issue where you'll be on something which is clickable like a link, or a dropdown, or something of sort. You either hit enter, or space bar, and the stupid dad blamed thing either won't do anything at all, or more 9 times out of 10, it will jump me focused on to my taskbar. In fact, one time, I hit enter on a link, not even a mailto: link, and the stupid thing opened my Windows 10 Mail app. Excuse my language, but, what the hell! Absolutely this didn't used to happen, and honestly, I can't remember when it started. Ever since Firefox decided to go Quantom, things have just totally totally gone down hill with it. I get that VFO is doing their best with what they have to fix things, which I appreciate. In their defense, I get totally that they're trying, but I wonder how much of this is really VFO breaking things, vs. how much is Mozilla breaking things. I'm inclined to think more the ladder. I'm admittedly not the biggest fan of Chrome on the Windows platform, maybe on Android, and on the mac, but not Windows. I'm not totally sure why, but yeah... It's not something I can put my finger on. I just don't care for it. Anyway, I'd be curious if any of you all have seen this behavior as well. I'm told that supposedly, I'm not the only one experiencing this. Chris.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox
you are not the only one am also running in to this both with nvda and with jaws2018
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On 7/7/2018 2:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I'm coming in on this thread extremely extremely late, so forgive me if this's been already mentioned. I have managed to get so much mail in my inbox these last few days of abscence, that I can't possibly go through everything quickly.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
Crap!
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Forgive me. I thought this was on the Win10 list, not NVDA. This being said, I'm still seeing this as well with NVDA. Pardon my carelessness. Chris.
On 07/07/2018 01:48 PM, Lenron wrote:
I must agree it works great for youTube
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Re: I've had it with Firefox
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
I'm coming in on this thread extremely extremely late, so forgive me if this's been already mentioned. I have managed to get so much mail in my inbox these last few days of abscence, that I can't possibly go through everything quickly.
One thing with JAWS 2018 and the latest build of Firefox 61 that I'm seeing is an issue where you'll be on something which is clickable like a link, or a dropdown, or something of sort. You either hit enter, or space bar, and the stupid dad blamed thing either won't do anything at all, or more 9 times out of 10, it will jump me focused on to my taskbar. In fact, one time, I hit enter on a link, not even a mailto: link, and the stupid thing opened my Windows 10 Mail app. Excuse my language, but, what the hell! Absolutely this didn't used to happen, and honestly, I can't remember when it started. Ever since Firefox decided to go Quantom, things have just totally totally gone down hill with it. I get that VFO is doing their best with what they have to fix things, which I appreciate. In their defense, I get totally that they're trying, but I wonder how much of this is really VFO breaking things, vs. how much is Mozilla breaking things. I'm inclined to think more the ladder. I'm admittedly not the biggest fan of Chrome on the Windows platform, maybe on Android, and on the mac, but not Windows. I'm not totally sure why, but yeah... It's not something I can put my finger on. I just don't care for it. Anyway, I'd be curious if any of you all have seen this behavior as well. I'm told that supposedly, I'm not the only one experiencing this. Chris.
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NVDA 18.2.1 and bluetooth audio issue
Chris O'Brien
As of release 18 I have been having issues pushing NVDA output to my Bluetooth headphones on my Windows 10 laptop. All audio output from the laptop is successfully sent to the headset (including JAWS output) except for NVDA which plays from the laptop speakers. Interestingly enough, when I toggle the earphones off the audio stops playing on the desktop. Has anyone else experienced a similar issue?
Chris O’Brien
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Re: say blank lines
Brice Mijares
No, I don't normally down arrow, just when I want to catch something I wasn't sure I heard correctly, or a spelling of a word, ETC. Thank You.
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Re: say blank lines
Gene
I believe there was such an option. But
again, are you regularly down arrowing through messages and if so,
why?
Gene
----- Original Message
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remember correctly, there was an option in Window Eyes that you could check or uncheck to prevent it from echoing blank lines. Maybe in the future NVDA will have this setting as well. thank you. On 7/7/2018 12:33 PM, Gene wrote: > You can cause blank not to be spoken by using the speech dictionary in > NVDA. I don't know how much information you need. do you know how to > use the dictionary? Put the word blank in the field where you place the > original item. Then type a space in the pronounced as field. > But if you do this, the word blank will never be spoken anywhere. > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:18 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] say blank lines > > I'm not sure if you can. I'll try an experiment. But why are you down > arrowing through messages? Are you using speak to end? Blank won't be > spoken. > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2018 8:21 AM > *To:* nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* [nvda] say blank lines > > How do I go about preventing NVDA from saying blank when going through > email using the down arrow? And why do some people insist on putting a > blank line between sentences? thanks > > >
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Re: say blank lines
Brice Mijares
Thanks for the info. No, I don't want to loose the word space. If I remember correctly, there was an option in Window Eyes that you could check or uncheck to prevent it from echoing blank lines. Maybe in the future NVDA will have this setting as well. thank you.
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On 7/7/2018 12:33 PM, Gene wrote:
You can cause blank not to be spoken by using the speech dictionary in NVDA. I don't know how much information you need. do you know how to use the dictionary? Put the word blank in the field where you place the original item. Then type a space in the pronounced as field.
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Re: say blank lines
Gene
You can cause blank not to be spoken by using the
speech dictionary in NVDA. I don't know how much information you
need. do you know how to use the dictionary? Put the word blank in
the field where you place the original item. Then type a space in the
pronounced as field.
But if you do this, the word blank will never be
spoken anywhere.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
I'm not sure if you can. I'll try an
experiment. But why are you down arrowing through messages? Are you
using speak to end? Blank won't be spoken.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
email using the down arrow? And why do some people insist on putting a blank line between sentences? thanks
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Re: NVDA and windows 10 safe mode
Brice Mijares
I believe someone posted this on this list some time back and I saved it. Never tried it, but I'd make sure someone with sight was around the first time I try it.
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Hi all, You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following: press windows plus r and type msconfig and hit inter press ctrl plus tab to get to the "boot tab" tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark tab to "base video" and check it as well. tab to the OK button and press it, you'd get a prompt to restart computer to apply changes, if you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode. after finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above but this time uncheck the two check marks above for both safeboot, and base video. and press OK and restart, your PC will restart to the normal mode. I hope it helps.
On 7/7/2018 11:41 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hi,
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Re: ePUB reading support in Edge: Fwd: Re: Edge evaluated using Spanish interface
how do you go from page to page? when I tried to read a epub using edge it wouldn't let me get passed the first page
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On 7/7/2018 8:01 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Hello
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Re: NVDA and windows 10 safe mode
David Mehler
Hi,
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It is indeed a registry hack/edition. I don't know where it is, and at least for me on a win10 home x64 system running 1803 it did not apply cleanly therefor it did not work. Your results may vary. The audio in safe mode is screen reader independent, you can try narrator or NVDA but without working audio, which this fix does, you won't get feedback. Thanks. Dave.
On 7/7/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I remember it was a registry hack, but narrator should be able to do this
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Re: NVDA and windows 10 safe mode
I remember it was a registry hack, but narrator should be able to do this for you now. Don’t ask me how by the way, I am just reporting what I heard and what I remember.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox
Lenron
I must agree it works great for youTube
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On 7/7/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I actually hate chrome on windows. I dunno what it is. It’s fast but to me --
Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762
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Re: say blank lines
Gene
I'm not sure if you can. I'll try an
experiment. But why are you down arrowing through messages? Are you
using speak to end? Blank won't be spoken.
Gene
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email using the down arrow? And why do some people insist on putting a blank line between sentences? thanks
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NVDA and windows 10 safe mode
Don Risavy, Jr.
Someone a while back mentioned something about being able to use NVDA on the windows 10 safe mode and would talk. So wondered how does someone get that to work if possible with the latest NVDA? Thanks. Don
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