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Re: Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome

Quentin Christensen
 

I didn't notice whether anyone had mentioned this, but since it's something not everyone knows about, for the benefit of anyone reading who wonders how GMail's (or any site's) built-in keystrokes work with NVDA's single letter navigation (eg H for heading, E for edit box, etc), the way to do it is to disable NVDA's single letter navigation.  To do this, press NVDA+SHIFT+SPACEBAR to toggle NVDA's single letter navigation.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 1:43 AM Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@...> wrote:
I know that your example of Gmail was just an example, but I generally find that the built-in keystorkes that Gmail provides are significantly faster to navigate mail with than using the screen reader functionality.

Essentially, one can open a thread with "o" close a thread with "u", browse through the list of threads with "j" and "k" and navigate individual messages in a thread with "n" and "p".

Of course they also have keystrokes for replying, forwarding, deleting, archiving, and ignore thread.

Take care,

Jonathan


On 10/21/18, 5:52 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Tony Malykh" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of anton.malykh@...> wrote:

    Hi all

    I have been noticing lately that many browse mode shortcuts are
    sluggish in Google Chrome, especially on large web pages. Let me try
    to explain what I mean with an example.

    Suppose I open a large email thread (say 20 replies) in gmail in
    Google Chrome. If I press H and then K, my cursor is supposed to find
    the next heading, and then find the next link after that heading and
    stop there. However, if I press them quickly one after the other, then
    the after finding that link the cursor would jump back to the previous
    heading as if I had pressed Shift+H afterwards. In other words, the
    cursor would frirst find the heading, then jump to the next link, and
    then it would mysteriously jump back to that heading again, all within
    a short time, like within a second. I mentioned H and K just an
    example - it seems that this issue can be reproduced with almost any
    two browse mode commands, such as F, E, G, and so on.

    Has anyone been aware of this issue? Are there any known workarounds?
    One obvious workaround is for me to wait  after every single browse
    mode keystroke, but that would make using Chrome too anoying - I would
    have to wait for about a second after pressing any browse mode
    keystroke.

    Actually I could reproduce this issue on the other browsers too -
    Firefox and IE, although on a much lesser scale. In both Firefox and
    IE you need to press these keystroeks really quickly together (maybe
    less than 0.1 seconds apart to reproduce it, which  probably wouldn't
    affect anyone. This bug is only bothersome in Chrome.

    I'm using the latest NVDA 2018.3.2 and the latest Windows 10. I have a
    modern laptop, so this is not an issue of running out of CPU or
    memory. I don't have too many tabs open and I don't have other
    programs running.

    Best regards
    Tony










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Re: Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

Hi David,

 

Your tip was very helpful. I didn’t realize there was a command to restart NVDA!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 5:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

 

[EXTERNAL]

 

Hi!

I have had all of these problems on Windows 10 latest build insider, 18262. I have to keep pressing Alt+Ctrl+N a lot to restart NVDA.

On many websites, in the mail app, and many other places, it will keep talking, and I can do nothing at that point but press the restart command. Also, NVDA gets more sluggish in the mail app, and it will not open messages unless I press enter many times.

I just wanted to point all of this out!

I have tried many synthesizers, and NVDA has the same behavior.

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 2:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

 

I don't use Windows 10 but this doesn't sound like normal behavior.  It sounds like a buffer overflow problem to me.  What voice are you using?  Using a different synthesizer might solve the problem.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

 

OK. How can I get to a new menu when NVDA is acting this way? I can't seem to bring up anything when NVDA is in this mode. For example, it ignore Insert + N, or even Insert + Q.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA


[EXTERNAL]

Yes sometimes it seems that nvda is reading an old buffer. I seem to think some recent work is going on in this regard actually, but normally, simply bringing up a menu, then cancelling it will wake up the new buffer. I'm not sure why this sometimes happens but suspect nvda is reading a large amount of text its already  buffered for reading and has missed the fact that the text has gone as this is in the web page buffer, not the nvda speech one.
 As for announcing about emails coming in, this is what segregated people might see in the tray or via a balloon or whatever alert type is used. I suspect that this can be turned off in two ways, You can do it globally in the settings of nvda, which in my view is dangerous, or in the software that is sending them, ie do not put alerts in ... add where according to the software here!

Dropbox is always doing this as its active all the time and if you have shared folders when somebody changes something on one of those you get an alert about it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io" <rechell_schwartz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA


Hello,

Is there anyway to stop NVDA from start announcing my emails when I am
viewing a web page?
Also, when I switch to another web page, it still keep reading out the
contents of the previous web page. What do I need to do to get NVDA to
cancel the old context and switch to the new context?

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Re: Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

David Moore
 

Hi!

I have had all of these problems on Windows 10 latest build insider, 18262. I have to keep pressing Alt+Ctrl+N a lot to restart NVDA.

On many websites, in the mail app, and many other places, it will keep talking, and I can do nothing at that point but press the restart command. Also, NVDA gets more sluggish in the mail app, and it will not open messages unless I press enter many times.

I just wanted to point all of this out!

I have tried many synthesizers, and NVDA has the same behavior.

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 2:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

 

I don't use Windows 10 but this doesn't sound like normal behavior.  It sounds like a buffer overflow problem to me.  What voice are you using?  Using a different synthesizer might solve the problem.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

 

OK. How can I get to a new menu when NVDA is acting this way? I can't seem to bring up anything when NVDA is in this mode. For example, it ignore Insert + N, or even Insert + Q.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA


[EXTERNAL]

Yes sometimes it seems that nvda is reading an old buffer. I seem to think some recent work is going on in this regard actually, but normally, simply bringing up a menu, then cancelling it will wake up the new buffer. I'm not sure why this sometimes happens but suspect nvda is reading a large amount of text its already  buffered for reading and has missed the fact that the text has gone as this is in the web page buffer, not the nvda speech one.
 As for announcing about emails coming in, this is what segregated people might see in the tray or via a balloon or whatever alert type is used. I suspect that this can be turned off in two ways, You can do it globally in the settings of nvda, which in my view is dangerous, or in the software that is sending them, ie do not put alerts in ... add where according to the software here!

Dropbox is always doing this as its active all the time and if you have shared folders when somebody changes something on one of those you get an alert about it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io" <rechell_schwartz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA


Hello,

Is there anyway to stop NVDA from start announcing my emails when I am
viewing a web page?
Also, when I switch to another web page, it still keep reading out the
contents of the previous web page. What do I need to do to get NVDA to
cancel the old context and switch to the new context?

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Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Laurie Mehta
 

Excellent post-- thank you Rick!

And, for whatever it's worth, I hope that NVDA maintains the way it reads such things currently since we could end up with some unwanted/unforeseen consequences if simply reading the color displayed is replaced with something else. Thanks,
LM

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On Mon, 10/22/18, Rick <softwarethatworks@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Mary and Quentin:
After following this thread since its beginning, I took some time to open Excel and play with number formatting. Excel essentially provides 4 standard ways to format negative numbers and currency:
• With a leading negative sign
• Bright red without a negative sign
• With parenthesis
• Bright red with parenthesis
The case Mary seems to describe is the second, where negative numbers are simply bright red without a negative sign. As Quentin pointed out, you could set NVDA to alert for color changes to signal negative numbers.
This case clearly violates WCAG guideline 1.4.1, do not use color alone to convey meaning. While I understand that it may be a common practice to format negative numbers in red, one would hope this practice would be deprecated as we move towards a more accessible world. This is not only bad for screen reader users but also a problem with printing on black and white printers and for people with some forms of color blindness.
Mary, are you able to contact the spreadsheet creator and explain the accessibility issue with the chosen display format? Otherwise, are you able to edit the spreadsheet to change the formatting option? If you select the range of cells, press the application key and select format cells. Tab a few times to get to how negative numbers are formatted and choose a more accessible format for yourself. The first tab should get you to the category, which is probably currency. The next tab is for number of digits after the decimal point. Next is the currency symbol. One more tab gets you to the negative number format. Now, use the up and down arrow to select your desired format (the top one is the conventional negative number sign). Remember, if you choose a format which uses parenthesis that your NVDA symbol level is set to most or all or you will not hear left parenthesis spoken when the number is spoken.
I formatted some negative numbers to display in the inaccessible format and ran the built-in accessibility checker. Sadly, it reported no errors. I reported this issue to Microsoft so hopefully it will be corrected in future versions.
Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA
Thanks, Quentin, for answering the question. I didn’t send the sheet I have a long, because it’s not something that I personally have control of. It’s an organization who owns the sheet. So I didn’t feel right about just sending it out since it’s financial. With regard to the question of what should be overwritten or not, it seems to me that if this color convention is well-established, any sighted person using the sheet is going to know that red means negative. Therefore, the important information is not the color it’s the state of the number. So it should be overwritten. What you want is the message conveyed by the color, not just knowledge of the color. As a blind person, you might not know that red  means negative, so you might not get the message. It would be like those talking signals they have where it says the walk sign is on. It doesn’t say the green light is on. I suppose most everybody knows that a green light means walk. But they convey the message about walking, rather than the fact that the light is green or that the little stick figure is on or whatever the picture is. Another example is the dots which means that there is a dialog box. Some screen readers like Jaws used to say…. Others would say opens a dialogue or has dialogue. I think the ones who say opens or has dialogue got it right, and the ones who say… Didn’t get it right. Why on earth would I necessarily know or need to know that… Means there’s a dialogue that will open if you click this.
Mary

On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I did also reply to Brian's other thread on this topic, and while I'm just personally interested in the discussion, I realised no-one has actually answered Mary's original question yet.  While you can't specifically have NVDA decode negative numbers which aren't formatted as such, you can have NVDA report when the font colour changes.  This would be most useful where you spreadsheet contains say all black text except for negative numbers.  To do that, press NVDA+CONTROL+D to open the document formatting options, then press alt+c to jump to "colour".  Press spacebar to toggle whether that is checked (you want it checked to report colour changes), and press ENTER to close the settings.  Now when you get to a negative number, NVDA should report it as "bright red".
As for why it is reported as "bright red 18.00" and not "-18.00", basically, that's what the person who setup the spreadsheet told Excel to tell us.  A sighted user on the same sheet doesn't see "-18.00", they see "18.00" in bright red, and interpret that to mean -18.  In the same way if the actual contents of the cell are "=A1-B1" they see the number, not the formula, unless you press CONTROL+` to toggle displaying formulas instead of values.
I can see Brian's argument for overriding the specified formatting here, but would have to then ask back - in which cases should we override what the creator of the spreadsheet has deliberately setup, and in which cases should we defer to what they wanted?
Regards

Quentin.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 4:20 PM Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Can someone share a sample sheet with this kind of formatting?

Pranav


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Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Rick
 

Hello Mary and Quentin:

 

After following this thread since its beginning, I took some time to open Excel and play with number formatting. Excel essentially provides 4 standard ways to format negative numbers and currency:

  • With a leading negative sign
  • Bright red without a negative sign
  • With parenthesis
  • Bright red with parenthesis

 

The case Mary seems to describe is the second, where negative numbers are simply bright red without a negative sign. As Quentin pointed out, you could set NVDA to alert for color changes to signal negative numbers.

 

This case clearly violates WCAG guideline 1.4.1, do not use color alone to convey meaning. While I understand that it may be a common practice to format negative numbers in red, one would hope this practice would be deprecated as we move towards a more accessible world. This is not only bad for screen reader users but also a problem with printing on black and white printers and for people with some forms of color blindness.

 

Mary, are you able to contact the spreadsheet creator and explain the accessibility issue with the chosen display format? Otherwise, are you able to edit the spreadsheet to change the formatting option? If you select the range of cells, press the application key and select format cells. Tab a few times to get to how negative numbers are formatted and choose a more accessible format for yourself. The first tab should get you to the category, which is probably currency. The next tab is for number of digits after the decimal point. Next is the currency symbol. One more tab gets you to the negative number format. Now, use the up and down arrow to select your desired format (the top one is the conventional negative number sign). Remember, if you choose a format which uses parenthesis that your NVDA symbol level is set to most or all or you will not hear left parenthesis spoken when the number is spoken.

 

I formatted some negative numbers to display in the inaccessible format and ran the built-in accessibility checker. Sadly, it reported no errors. I reported this issue to Microsoft so hopefully it will be corrected in future versions.

 

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

Thanks, Quentin, for answering the question. I didn’t send the sheet I have a long, because it’s not something that I personally have control of. It’s an organization who owns the sheet. So I didn’t feel right about just sending it out since it’s financial. With regard to the question of what should be overwritten or not, it seems to me that if this color convention is well-established, any sighted person using the sheet is going to know that red means negative. Therefore, the important information is not the color it’s the state of the number. So it should be overwritten. What you want is the message conveyed by the color, not just knowledge of the color. As a blind person, you might not know that red  means negative, so you might not get the message. It would be like those talking signals they have where it says the walk sign is on. It doesn’t say the green light is on. I suppose most everybody knows that a green light means walk. But they convey the message about walking, rather than the fact that the light is green or that the little stick figure is on or whatever the picture is. Another example is the dots which means that there is a dialog box. Some screen readers like Jaws used to say…. Others would say opens a dialogue or has dialogue. I think the ones who say opens or has dialogue got it right, and the ones who say… Didn’t get it right. Why on earth would I necessarily know or need to know that… Means there’s a dialogue that will open if you click this.

Mary

 


On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

I did also reply to Brian's other thread on this topic, and while I'm just personally interested in the discussion, I realised no-one has actually answered Mary's original question yet.  While you can't specifically have NVDA decode negative numbers which aren't formatted as such, you can have NVDA report when the font colour changes.  This would be most useful where you spreadsheet contains say all black text except for negative numbers.  To do that, press NVDA+CONTROL+D to open the document formatting options, then press alt+c to jump to "colour".  Press spacebar to toggle whether that is checked (you want it checked to report colour changes), and press ENTER to close the settings.  Now when you get to a negative number, NVDA should report it as "bright red".

 

As for why it is reported as "bright red 18.00" and not "-18.00", basically, that's what the person who setup the spreadsheet told Excel to tell us.  A sighted user on the same sheet doesn't see "-18.00", they see "18.00" in bright red, and interpret that to mean -18.  In the same way if the actual contents of the cell are "=A1-B1" they see the number, not the formula, unless you press CONTROL+` to toggle displaying formulas instead of values.

 

I can see Brian's argument for overriding the specified formatting here, but would have to then ask back - in which cases should we override what the creator of the spreadsheet has deliberately setup, and in which cases should we defer to what they wanted?

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 4:20 PM Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Can someone share a sample sheet with this kind of formatting?

Pranav




 

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Re: winamp is on ninite

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I saw that after installing the new winamp.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

the media library has been expanded to now include podcast and cd ripping
----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite


Why not look at the what's new file and find out? I'm only assuming it has
one; most programmes that are updated do, so people can keep track of
changes.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: October 21, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

What I'd like to know, is what does this new version have to offer compared
to the version we've been using for years?

On 10/21/2018 8:37 AM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com. I am
wondering if the new version is any better than the older versions?
Just let me know and I will install it.





Re: winamp is on ninite

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I just tried the stream with windows media player and it works good. It's loud enough where I can hear it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 3:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

did you test the stream with another program to make sure that its not the streamer that is broadcasting too low.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite


I tried doing both the system tray and with the equalizer and nothing worked. The volume is as high as it'll go and it's still very low. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

That probably has little to do with winamp.
Couple of things you could try if you haven't:
Make sure Winamp has a high enough volume set in your Windows audio mixer.
You can get to it from the system tray. If you have Windows 10, you can control the output volume of the various applications that use audio. Not good for fine-tuning in my experience, but if you find a programme always has a low volume, it doesn't hurt to check.
Make sure the volume in Winamp is high enough. Up and down arrows usually control this, as you probably know.

Finally, winamp has a pre-amp as well. This is for boosting the amplitude of sounds that have a low output volume, IE, the volume of the stream or file itself is low. Open the equalizer with alt-g. You'll probably have to ctrl-tab to put focus on the equalizer. Then, hit the grave accent key to increase the preamp power. You don't want to do this too much or else you'll get distortion. Just boost the sound until it's comfortable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I just tried the new winamp but I don't think it's that much better. I just tried listening to an oldies station and the volume was very low.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby
Vinton
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com. I am wondering
if the new version is any better than the older versions? Just let me know
and I will install it.


Re: winamp is on ninite

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm using external speakers and they're set at 100 percent.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 3:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I am not sure what is happening for you. It plays nice and loud for me. Are you using internal or external speakers?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite


Try www.legend-oldies.com.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Hm, what's the stream url? I'll try some things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Yes.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I wonder if the pre-amp is even working, then?
Did you have this problem with Winamp 5.666?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I tried doing both the system tray and with the equalizer and nothing worked. The volume is as high as it'll go and it's still very low. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

That probably has little to do with winamp.
Couple of things you could try if you haven't:
Make sure Winamp has a high enough volume set in your Windows audio mixer.
You can get to it from the system tray. If you have Windows 10, you can control the output volume of the various applications that use audio. Not good for fine-tuning in my experience, but if you find a programme always has a low volume, it doesn't hurt to check.
Make sure the volume in Winamp is high enough. Up and down arrows usually control this, as you probably know.

Finally, winamp has a pre-amp as well. This is for boosting the amplitude of sounds that have a low output volume, IE, the volume of the stream or file itself is low. Open the equalizer with alt-g. You'll probably have to ctrl-tab to put focus on the equalizer. Then, hit the grave accent key to increase the preamp power. You don't want to do this too much or else you'll get distortion. Just boost the sound until it's comfortable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I just tried the new winamp but I don't think it's that much better. I just tried listening to an oldies station and the volume was very low.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby
Vinton
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com. I am wondering
if the new version is any better than the older versions? Just let me know
and I will install it.


Re: Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

Gene
 

I don't use Windows 10 but this doesn't sound like normal behavior.  It sounds like a buffer overflow problem to me.  What voice are you using?  Using a different synthesizer might solve the problem.
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

OK. How can I get to a new menu when NVDA is acting this way? I can't seem to bring up anything when NVDA is in this mode. For example, it ignore Insert + N, or even Insert + Q.

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[EXTERNAL]

Yes sometimes it seems that nvda is reading an old buffer. I seem to think some recent work is going on in this regard actually, but normally, simply bringing up a menu, then cancelling it will wake up the new buffer. I'm not sure why this sometimes happens but suspect nvda is reading a large amount of text its already  buffered for reading and has missed the fact that the text has gone as this is in the web page buffer, not the nvda speech one.
 As for announcing about emails coming in, this is what segregated people might see in the tray or via a balloon or whatever alert type is used. I suspect that this can be turned off in two ways, You can do it globally in the settings of nvda, which in my view is dangerous, or in the software that is sending them, ie do not put alerts in ... add where according to the software here!

Dropbox is always doing this as its active all the time and if you have shared folders when somebody changes something on one of those you get an alert about it.
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Hello,

Is there anyway to stop NVDA from start announcing my emails when I am
viewing a web page?
Also, when I switch to another web page, it still keep reading out the
contents of the previous web page. What do I need to do to get NVDA to
cancel the old context and switch to the new context?

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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

Gene
 

In this case, the say all command is the most logical inference about what is being asked.  In the desktop layout, the command is NVDA key, either insert by default, and the down arrow.  You can set the capslock to be an NVdA key and then you can use capslock down arrow for read to end.  That is for most people, I think, a much more convenient command.  If you want to know how to set the capslock as an NVDA key, ask here.  If you set it, you can still use either insert key, so you actually have three keys available as NVDA keys.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

Hi Rechelle,

Control key stops speaking altogether. In this situation, either move to another place, perform some reading commands, or do something else that causes NvDA to speak.

P.S. I highly recommend studying and listening to tutorials made by NV Access and me, as our materials will teach you all there is to it when it comes to using NVDA (including some advanced concepts).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:52 AM
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Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get it to resume reading when I am ready?

 


 

 

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Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Gene
 

First, that's what sighted people see, three dots.  it means  essentially the same thing as three dots means in quoted text, there is more.  It's an elypsis.  A tiny bit of instruction will tell the user why and what it means.  And it’s a good idea to know something about what a sighted person sees.  You never know when it may be useful.  Plus, it is very easy not to hear dot dot dot.  You can just use no punctuation.  No fooling around changing verbosity settings.  The experienced user doesn't need to know when you are on something that opens a dialog.  The experienced user either knows, guesses from experience, or knows that if something sounds applicable, pressing enter will result in a dialog opening if that is what is supposed to happen, that you will be told you are in a dialog and you don't hear timewasting and unnecessary verbiage when moving through menus.  Save as means save as dialog to an experienced user. 
 
What if a sighted person is telling a blind person something and they say, "it says, settings and there are three dots.  You would know what that means.  You would know using a screen-reader that tailors what you hear to the point that you are completely uninformed about what is actually on screen.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Thanks, Quentin, for answering the question. I didn’t send the sheet I have a long, because it’s not something that I personally have control of. It’s an organization who owns the sheet. So I didn’t feel right about just sending it out since it’s financial. With regard to the question of what should be overwritten or not, it seems to me that if this color convention is well-established, any sighted person using the sheet is going to know that red means negative. Therefore, the important information is not the color it’s the state of the number. So it should be overwritten. What you want is the message conveyed by the color, not just knowledge of the color. As a blind person, you might not know that red  means negative, so you might not get the message. It would be like those talking signals they have where it says the walk sign is on. It doesn’t say the green light is on. I suppose most everybody knows that a green light means walk. But they convey the message about walking, rather than the fact that the light is green or that the little stick figure is on or whatever the picture is. Another example is the dots which means that there is a dialog box. Some screen readers like Jaws used to say…. Others would say opens a dialogue or has dialogue. I think the ones who say opens or has dialogue got it right, and the ones who say… Didn’t get it right. Why on earth would I necessarily know or need to know that… Means there’s a dialogue that will open if you click this.

Mary



On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

I did also reply to Brian's other thread on this topic, and while I'm just personally interested in the discussion, I realised no-one has actually answered Mary's original question yet.  While you can't specifically have NVDA decode negative numbers which aren't formatted as such, you can have NVDA report when the font colour changes.  This would be most useful where you spreadsheet contains say all black text except for negative numbers.  To do that, press NVDA+CONTROL+D to open the document formatting options, then press alt+c to jump to "colour".  Press spacebar to toggle whether that is checked (you want it checked to report colour changes), and press ENTER to close the settings.  Now when you get to a negative number, NVDA should report it as "bright red".

As for why it is reported as "bright red 18.00" and not "-18.00", basically, that's what the person who setup the spreadsheet told Excel to tell us.  A sighted user on the same sheet doesn't see "-18.00", they see "18.00" in bright red, and interpret that to mean -18.  In the same way if the actual contents of the cell are "=A1-B1" they see the number, not the formula, unless you press CONTROL+` to toggle displaying formulas instead of values.

I can see Brian's argument for overriding the specified formatting here, but would have to then ask back - in which cases should we override what the creator of the spreadsheet has deliberately setup, and in which cases should we defer to what they wanted?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 4:20 PM Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Can someone share a sample sheet with this kind of formatting?

Pranav






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Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:46 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I can see Brian's argument for overriding the specified formatting here, but would have to then ask back - in which cases should we override what the creator of the spreadsheet has deliberately setup, and in which cases should we defer to what they wanted?
Mary has already pretty much answered this, as I thought I had as well.

When the field is numeric is the simple answer.  Even if a sighted spreadsheet creator used, say 5 colors for different ranges of positive numbers, those colors are utterly irrelevant if you cannot literally see them.  They serve as an indicator, but would be custom formatting.   The actual value of a numeric field is the critical piece of information.  Even though I do see, literally, if I come upon a number in red in an Excel spreadsheet were someone to say to me, what's the value in that cell, I would never say "it's a red 18" but would say "it's minus 18" or "it's negative 18."   Even if someone were using custom formatting for ranges, were someone to verbally ask me what the value was in a cell I'd read the numeric value.  I cannot think of a case when dealing with numbers where the formatting is not simply a convenience to help someone immediately recognize that they have a certain value range of data visually.   If you can't access the visual then it is, without question, the value that is what's wanted.
 
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Re: winamp is on ninite

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Ok, sorry, I should have figured that out even though mine was the message quoted under yours.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: October 21, 2018 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

I neglected to use Rosemary's name when responding.  That was the message I was responding to. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 5:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

I don’t believe I was assuming anything. I merely reported that the stream was  coming through “loud and clear” on my own version of the programme, which is not the new beta, but v5.666. I asked her if she had tried with that version and had experienced the same volume issue, and she said yes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: October 21, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

You are assuming that the station is streaming at its correct volume.  Did you try other streams?  did you stream the station in the old player very shortly before installing and trying the new Winamp?  Never assume.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

I wonder if the pre-amp is even working, then?
Did you have this problem with Winamp 5.666?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I tried doing both the system tray and with the equalizer and nothing worked. The volume is as high as it'll go and it's still very low. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

That probably has little to do with winamp.
Couple of things you could try if you haven't:
Make sure Winamp has a high enough volume set in your Windows audio mixer. You can get to it from the system tray. If you have Windows 10, you can control the output volume of the various applications that use audio. Not good for fine-tuning in my experience, but if you find a programme always has a low volume, it doesn't hurt to check.
Make sure the volume in Winamp is high enough. Up and down arrows usually control this, as you probably know.

Finally, winamp has a pre-amp as well. This is for boosting the amplitude of sounds that have a low output volume, IE, the volume of the stream or file itself is low. Open the equalizer with alt-g. You'll probably have to ctrl-tab to put focus on the equalizer. Then, hit the grave accent key to increase the preamp power. You don't want to do this too much or else you'll get distortion. Just boost the sound until it's comfortable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I just tried the new winamp but I don't think it's that much better. I just tried listening to an oldies station and the volume was very low.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com.  I am wondering if the new version is any better than the older versions? Just let me know and I will install it.
















Re: Question on settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

I should add I use the laptop layout on my desktop keyboards all the time. My computer teaches hated it but I found it so so much easier to use.. So far I have not had the issue described.

On 22 Oct 2018, at 8:44, Tyler Wood wrote:

Similar here.

Having one more object to carry around is a pain to me, so my recommendation is to get comfortable with what works for *you*.



On 2018-10-22 10:39 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I'm using laptop layout and do not have this issue by the way. It reads what it is supposed to in regard to line and in any document.

On 21 Oct 2018, at 15:12, Gene wrote:

I just saw Joseph Lee's message and I see that if you are using laptop layout, nvda key up arrow does what you are experiencing.  If you are using laptop layout and you have a keyboard with a numpad, switch to the desktop layout.  I don't like the laptop layout.  it isn't consistent.  If you are using a computer without a numpad, I think it is a much better idea to get a USB numpad. and use the desktop layout. 
 
Whatever you do, I think using numpad 8 is a much more convenient command.  if you are in object navigation mode, it does the same thing and only requires one hand and one finger.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

Hi,

Okay, what is the NVDA keyboard layout you’ve got? To check this, press Control+NVDA+K and tell us which layout is currently selected.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

 

Gene, I’m in object review mode. If I’m reading a MS word document, NVDA/up arrow reads the line before the line that my cursor is on.

Didn’t used to do that. I had to recently reinstall Windows 10 and NVDA. Problem started happening after reinstallation. Suggestions?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Re: How to Re-start NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Do not use the control key to stop speech, use the shift key.  Shift acts like a pause key, press it again to resume speech.

 

Cheers

Chris

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Sent: 22 October 2018 16:52
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Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get it to resume reading when I am ready?

 


 

 

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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

Brice Mijares
 

Hi, I have a laptop with extended keyboard, therefore I use the desktop layout and NVDA down arrow works for me. But, thanks for the info.

On 10/22/2018 9:16 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yes, that's one context where you can resume speech. There are so many
others where this command (NVDA+A on laptop layout) won't work to resume
speech.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 9:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA
To resume, NVDA key down arrow.
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Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can
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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

If you want to suspend the voice and resume later, instead of using Control, use Shift.
The voice will be paused, and pressing again the Shift key it will resume talking...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

 

Hi,
Yes, that's one context where you can resume speech. There are so many
others where this command (NVDA+A on laptop layout) won't work to resume
speech.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 9:08 AM
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To resume, NVDA key down arrow.

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Re: Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

OK. How can I get to a new menu when NVDA is acting this way? I can't seem to bring up anything when NVDA is in this mode. For example, it ignore Insert + N, or even Insert + Q.

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 12:08 PM
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[EXTERNAL]

Yes sometimes it seems that nvda is reading an old buffer. I seem to think some recent work is going on in this regard actually, but normally, simply bringing up a menu, then cancelling it will wake up the new buffer. I'm not sure why this sometimes happens but suspect nvda is reading a large amount of text its already buffered for reading and has missed the fact that the text has gone as this is in the web page buffer, not the nvda speech one.
As for announcing about emails coming in, this is what segregated people might see in the tray or via a balloon or whatever alert type is used. I suspect that this can be turned off in two ways, You can do it globally in the settings of nvda, which in my view is dangerous, or in the software that is sending them, ie do not put alerts in ... add where according to the software here!

Dropbox is always doing this as its active all the time and if you have shared folders when somebody changes something on one of those you get an alert about it.
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Hello,

Is there anyway to stop NVDA from start announcing my emails when I am
viewing a web page?
Also, when I switch to another web page, it still keep reading out the
contents of the previous web page. What do I need to do to get NVDA to
cancel the old context and switch to the new context?

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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

 

Hi,

The materials are:

 

Although both materials are a bit out of date, most of what NV Access and I will teach you applies to latest NVDA release (2018.3.2).

 

P.S. A repeat of a call I made a few months ago: for anyone wishing to produce the fourth edition of Welcome to NVDA (perhaps in late 2019), I advise start planning it right now so you can get a head start on that project. The fourth edition must go over redesigned NVDA Settings interface, as this alone will take a while to produce. The next one is the fourth edition because the one I just linked to is the third version (I produced these tutorials in 2013 and 2015, which also answers the question from another list member: I’ve been using NVDA full-time since 2012, although I was introduced to it way back in January 2008).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

 

I would love that. Please send me a link to your instructions.

 

Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

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IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

 

[EXTERNAL]

 

Hi Rechelle,

Control key stops speaking altogether. In this situation, either move to another place, perform some reading commands, or do something else that causes NvDA to speak.

P.S. I highly recommend studying and listening to tutorials made by NV Access and me, as our materials will teach you all there is to it when it comes to using NVDA (including some advanced concepts).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:52 AM
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Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get it to resume reading when I am ready?

 


 

 

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