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Re: Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

Roger Stewart
 

Just tried getting this from the below link and also directly from the nvda add ons site.  Failed both times.  Hope someone on the add ons site can correct this.

Thanks.

Roger








On 9/29/2018 5:36 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, there is no problem with the team talk classic program itself.

However, the addons has the ability to improves the usage of other functions.with NVDA.


The problem is the link that was mentioned below is https instead of http

So, I pressume needs to be correct the path which is confusing and when you click the link it will gives you insecure connection and as for workaround you need to remove the letter s at the address bar or navigation address to manually before you got the addons itself correctly.

Again, pasting the link of the direct link path in where I got from the site of the NVDA in where the problem occurs.

https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/NVDA/TeamTalk%20Classic.nvda-addon


Robert Mendoza


On 9/29/2018 5:45 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:

What does this addon do? I am a member of a group that uses Teamtalk classic without any problems.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: 29 September 2018 10:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

 

No, Brian

 

Here is the direct link of the team talk addons to where I got from,

maybe try it for yourself to test.

https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/NVDA/TeamTalk%20Classic.nvda-addon

 

The above link mentioned is the stable version from the site of the NVDA

addons where comes.

 

Robert Mendoza

 

 

On 9/29/2018 4:39 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> That presumably only means they are http not https. Does this really

> affect such things as add ons, or are the browsers being shall we say

> a little paranoid again?

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal E-mail to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"

> <lowvisiontek@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:54 AM

> Subject: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

>> Hi, just like to check if everyone here got the same result for

>> getting the team talk classic addons has a problem. So far tested to

>> other adons works fine except to team talk classic I got the message

>> insecure connection. in both Firefox and Chrome browsers.

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 




Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Buddy Brannan
 

Clive! Hey, I remember you. Back before Usenet turned into a cesspool and alt.drwho.creative was kinda cool. Gawd…I hated Vert! (Point)

On Sep 29, 2018, at 3:47 AM, Clive May <clive.may@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:

Hi


Vert Plus a DOS screen reader. I was using it in the late 190s.





On 28/09/18 22:20, Sky Mundell wrote:
And just to add to this, Window Bridge, was the first screen reader to ever
come out for windows. It came out around June of 1992. In the beginning,
their were about 10 windows products, which today, has been reduced today.
The 10 windows products that you saw in the market were:
Window Bridge
Syntha Voice, released on June 1992. Now gone.
Out Spoken for the mac and windows, Berkley systems, Alva access group,
released in 1994, now gone.

Dolphin Hal, now called Supernova
Yourdolphin.com

Screen power, Telussensory, now gone.
Artic Winvision, also gone.
ASAW, also gone.
JAWS
www.freedomscientific.com
Released January 20, 1995 First developed for DOS in 1989. Created by
Henter-Joyce, which became Freedom Scientific in 2000, which became
VFO-group in 2015.
Window-Eyes, now gone as of May 15, 2017.
Release date: October 16, 1995, until May 15, 2017.
Started out as Vocal-Eyes for DOS on February 15, 1990, Which was a year
before I was born on that same day. created by GW Micro. Vocal-Eyes was the
top DOS screen reader. Then, in 1995, GW Micro released Window-Eyes on
Monday, October 16, 1995. On January 14, GW Micro and Microsoft released a
version of Window-Eyes free with office. This version worked with Office
2010 or up, and it came with two voices. Allowed you to purchase DecTalk,
Eloquence, Vocalizer, etc. Then, on May 1, GW Micro and AI Squared merged.
Then, on June 14, AI was acquired by VFO.

System Access:
Released date: 2005.
www.serotek.com
NVDA:
www.nvaccess.com
Release date: April 2006.
Developer: NV Access
I hope these notes help your friend with the history. Thanks, Sky.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis
Siegel
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for
her thesis



On 9/26/2018 12:24 PM, Mallard wrote:
The first screen reader I ever used was Window Bridge, which I really
loved. Pity nobody took it up after David passed out so suddenly...
Actually, I tried. I bought the rights to the windowbridge source code,
but UPS lost the pc as it was being shipped from Canada to me here in
the U.S. His brother did send me cds with as much material as he could
find before sending the computer, but unfortunately, since he wasn't a
programmer, he missed some vital libraries required for the proper
compile of windowbridge, and since the ocmputer was lost, I was never
able to do anything with it. Quite a shame really, since I personally
thought it was an excellent product, and was very happy to have gotten
the rights to it.









Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yes, and it's emulated perfectly so far as I can tell.

Never knew the C64 had a screen-reader as well. My cousin had one of those before I even got an Apple II E. That didn't happen until 1986 or '87. By then, the II E's were already a bit over the hill.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: September 29, 2018 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

going back farther still, the Apple 2E in the late 70s and early 80s had the text Tucker screen reader with the echo Cricket speech synthesizer. You can actually download be accessible mess Apple 2 emulator and see it working in action today if you want to.


On September 28, 2018 4:55:49 PM "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:

No, they go back further than dos. The comodore 64 ran cp/m, and it had a screen reader too, so screen reading packages didn't start with dos.



On 9/26/2018 10:36 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Well, they go back as far as DOS, there's a lot of brands.
Try the NFB, they should have a historical perspective.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history
for her thesis

Hello all,

Please, forgive this O.T. This is the only list I'm on, so I thought
of asking here.

A friend of mine, her ein Italy, has been assigned a thesis on the
history and evolution of screen readers for Windows.

She doesn't seem to find any suitable material.

Would anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for some
documentation that might help her?

I know the request is a bit vague, but that's all I ahve for now.

Thanks in advance.

Ciao,
Ollie






Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

going back farther still, the Apple 2E in the late 70s and early 80s had the text Tucker screen reader with the echo Cricket speech synthesizer. You can actually download be accessible mess Apple 2 emulator and see it working in action today if you want to.

On September 28, 2018 4:55:49 PM "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:

No, they go back further than dos.  The comodore 64 ran cp/m, and it had
a screen reader too, so screen reading packages didn't start with dos.



On 9/26/2018 10:36 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Well, they go back as far as DOS, there's a lot of brands.
Try the NFB, they should have a historical perspective.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Hello all,

Please, forgive this O.T. This is the only list I'm on, so I thought of asking here.

A friend of mine, her ein Italy, has been assigned a thesis on the history and evolution of screen readers for Windows.

She doesn't seem to find any suitable material.

Would anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for some documentation that might help her?

I know the request is a bit vague, but that's all I ahve for now.

Thanks in advance.

Ciao,
Ollie






Re: NVDA and Focus Blue 5th

E.T.
 

The only other USB devices used are external drives or keyboard and mouse. If the old Braille Edge is still ticking, I will try that today and see what happens. Perplexing problem.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Ancient.Aliens@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/28/2018 8:14 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
E.T. via Groups.Io <ancient.aliens=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
You are correct, it is actually the Mac that sees the USB
connection. But. When I connect the display it shows up in Device
Manager as working properly. VMware Fusion and yes the USB connection is
checked and is set to connect to Windows.
Hmm. What about other USB things. Or is it just the focus. I wonder if the mac is trying to grab it for voice over before it gets fully into the VM. I don't know macs, however, so I'm just speculating.


Update: Openwith Barely Usable

Rob Hudson
 

Removing the win 10 essentials addon fixed the problem.


Re: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Mallard
 

Hello Rick,


I think this is something my friend Gemma will appreciate quite a lot!

Thanks for the link...

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 29/09/2018 00:04, ely.r@comcast.net ha scritto:
Travis
Lost this thread, but now found it, wanted to send this site to you and friend.
Before Screen Readers, There had to be readers!
The site below is an auditory history of early speech synthesizers. Each sample has a brief description of who where and when it was developed. Obviously screen readers needed intelligible voices to be of any worth. It is incredible to see how far the technology developed and what approaches were used along the way.
Have fun!
Rick
http://www.festvox.org/history/klatt.html
n 9/28> And just to add to this, Window Bridge, was the first screen reader to
ever come out for windows. It came out around June of 1992. In the
beginning, their were about 10 windows products, which today, has been reduced today.
The 10 windows products that you saw in the market were:
Window Bridge
Syntha Voice, released on June 1992. Now gone.
Out Spoken for the mac and windows, Berkley systems, Alva access
group, released in 1994, now gone.

Dolphin Hal, now called Supernova
Yourdolphin.com

Screen power, Telussensory, now gone.
Artic Winvision, also gone.
ASAW, also gone.
JAWS
www.freedomscientific.com
Released January 20, 1995 First developed for DOS in 1989. Created by
Henter-Joyce, which became Freedom Scientific in 2000, which became
VFO-group in 2015.
Window-Eyes, now gone as of May 15, 2017.
Release date: October 16, 1995, until May 15, 2017.
Started out as Vocal-Eyes for DOS on February 15, 1990, Which was a
year before I was born on that same day. created by GW Micro.
Vocal-Eyes was the top DOS screen reader. Then, in 1995, GW Micro
released Window-Eyes on Monday, October 16, 1995. On January 14, GW
Micro and Microsoft released a version of Window-Eyes free with
office. This version worked with Office
2010 or up, and it came with two voices. Allowed you to purchase
DecTalk, Eloquence, Vocalizer, etc. Then, on May 1, GW Micro and AI Squared merged.
Then, on June 14, AI was acquired by VFO.

System Access:
Released date: 2005.
www.serotek.com
NVDA:
www.nvaccess.com
Release date: April 2006.
Developer: NV Access
I hope these notes help your friend with the history. Thanks, Sky.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers
history for her thesis



On 9/26/2018 12:24 PM, Mallard wrote:
The first screen reader I ever used was Window Bridge, which I really
loved. Pity nobody took it up after David passed out so suddenly...
Actually, I tried. I bought the rights to the windowbridge source
code, but UPS lost the pc as it was being shipped from Canada to me
here in the U.S. His brother did send me cds with as much material as
he could find before sending the computer, but unfortunately, since he
wasn't a programmer, he missed some vital libraries required for the
proper compile of windowbridge, and since the ocmputer was lost, I was
never able to do anything with it. Quite a shame really, since I
personally thought it was an excellent product, and was very happy to
have gotten the rights to it.















Openwith barely usable with NVDA 2018.3

Rob Hudson
 

When launching a file type that has no associated eextension, windows pops up a dialog asking what program with which to open the file.
Since upgrading to windows build 1803, this dialog is no longer read fully by NVDA. When it comes up, NVDA says the word pane and nothing else. Object navigation will take you to the various controls, such as the list of applications, but single clicking does not bring the list to focus so that it can be arrowed through. Nor can I use object navigation itself to read the list. When pressing NVDA+numpad-7 to try and switch to screen review, NVDA says nothing and review mode is not switched.
Is this a known issue?


Re: Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, there is no problem with the team talk classic program itself.

However, the addons has the ability to improves the usage of other functions.with NVDA.


The problem is the link that was mentioned below is https instead of http

So, I pressume needs to be correct the path which is confusing and when you click the link it will gives you insecure connection and as for workaround you need to remove the letter s at the address bar or navigation address to manually before you got the addons itself correctly.

Again, pasting the link of the direct link path in where I got from the site of the NVDA in where the problem occurs.

https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/NVDA/TeamTalk%20Classic.nvda-addon


Robert Mendoza


On 9/29/2018 5:45 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:

What does this addon do? I am a member of a group that uses Teamtalk classic without any problems.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: 29 September 2018 10:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

 

No, Brian

 

Here is the direct link of the team talk addons to where I got from,

maybe try it for yourself to test.

https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/NVDA/TeamTalk%20Classic.nvda-addon

 

The above link mentioned is the stable version from the site of the NVDA

addons where comes.

 

Robert Mendoza

 

 

On 9/29/2018 4:39 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> That presumably only means they are http not https. Does this really

> affect such things as add ons, or are the browsers being shall we say

> a little paranoid again?

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal E-mail to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"

> <lowvisiontek@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:54 AM

> Subject: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

>> Hi, just like to check if everyone here got the same result for

>> getting the team talk classic addons has a problem. So far tested to

>> other adons works fine except to team talk classic I got the message

>> insecure connection. in both Firefox and Chrome browsers.

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 



Re: Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

Peter Beasley
 

What does this addon do? I am a member of a group that uses Teamtalk classic without any problems.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: 29 September 2018 10:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

 

No, Brian

 

Here is the direct link of the team talk addons to where I got from,

maybe try it for yourself to test.

https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/NVDA/TeamTalk%20Classic.nvda-addon

 

The above link mentioned is the stable version from the site of the NVDA

addons where comes.

 

Robert Mendoza

 

 

On 9/29/2018 4:39 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> That presumably only means they are http not https. Does this really

> affect such things as add ons, or are the browsers being shall we say

> a little paranoid again?

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal E-mail to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"

> <lowvisiontek@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:54 AM

> Subject: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

>> Hi, just like to check if everyone here got the same result for

>> getting the team talk classic addons has a problem. So far tested to

>> other adons works fine except to team talk classic I got the message

>> insecure connection. in both Firefox and Chrome browsers.

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Brian


Not sure exactly why it keeps changes to https instead to http
despite the site coming from and this has been corrected somehow or else misleading to the users

Robert Mendoza

On 9/29/2018 5:05 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
No, Brian

Here is the direct link of the team talk addons to where I got from, maybe try it for yourself to test.
https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/NVDA/TeamTalk%20Classic.nvda-addon

The above link mentioned is the stable version from the site of the NVDA addons where comes.

Robert Mendoza


On 9/29/2018 4:39 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That presumably only means they are http not https. Does this really affect such things as add ons, or are the browsers being shall we say a little paranoid again?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons


Hi, just like to check if everyone here got the same result for getting the team talk classic addons has a problem. So far tested to other adons works fine except to team talk classic I got the message insecure connection. in both Firefox and Chrome browsers.

Robert Mendoza








Re: Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

Robert Mendoza
 

No, Brian

Here is the direct link of the team talk addons to where I got from, maybe try it for yourself to test.
https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/NVDA/TeamTalk%20Classic.nvda-addon

The above link mentioned is the stable version from the site of the NVDA addons where comes.

Robert Mendoza

On 9/29/2018 4:39 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That presumably only means they are http not https. Does this really affect such things as add ons, or are the browsers being shall we say a little paranoid again?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons


Hi, just like to check if everyone here got the same result for getting the team talk classic addons has a problem. So far tested to other adons works fine except to team talk classic I got the message insecure connection. in both Firefox and Chrome browsers.

Robert Mendoza






Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Chris Nova
 

Hi Andrew,

Sorry about that. 
For the record, the recording was posted in June of 2017 and at that time it was a pretty cool service.  Also, the recording was just removed from the free downloads page.  However it was not removed from the podcast dated around that time for archival purposes.

Thanks,
Chris



From: Andrew
Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2018 1:24 PM EDT
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hello, I had the misfortune to try Captcha B Gone because of a Pod cast from Mystic access. No Capcha's solved and the only b gone was my three dollars.

I still enjoy Mystic Access other recommendation though.

Best regards  Andrew

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 9:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Haha. A little initiative never hurts…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 8:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hi Brian,

 

Can you tell us about these 7 captcha solving services.  Are they all fee for service? Are any of them free?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

On 9/23/2018 10:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

With or without hyphens, searching for Captcha-Be-Gone in the Add-Ons under the latest version of Firefox is turning up nothing.  That suggests to me that it's either abandonware or very tardy in redeveloping for Firefox Quantum, and I'd bet on the former.

There are two add-ons that might be of use, though:

                          I'm not a robot captcha clicker which does exactly what it's name suggests

and                    ReCaptcha Solver  which allows you to use any one of 7 different Captcha solver services and to toggle between them.  You have to have account(s) with each service you might want to try to use and I have no idea of just how accessible the interface might be
--

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Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Clive May <clive.may@...>
 

Hi


Vert Plus a DOS screen reader.  I was using it in the late 190s.

On 28/09/18 22:20, Sky Mundell wrote:
And just to add to this, Window Bridge, was the first screen reader to ever
come out for windows. It came out around June of 1992. In the beginning,
their were about 10 windows products, which today, has been reduced today.
The 10 windows products that you saw in the market were:
Window Bridge
Syntha Voice, released on June 1992. Now gone.
Out Spoken for the mac and windows, Berkley systems, Alva access group,
released in 1994, now gone.

Dolphin Hal, now called Supernova
Yourdolphin.com

Screen power, Telussensory, now gone.
Artic Winvision, also gone.
ASAW, also gone.
JAWS
www.freedomscientific.com
Released January 20, 1995 First developed for DOS in 1989. Created by
Henter-Joyce, which became Freedom Scientific in 2000, which became
VFO-group in 2015.
Window-Eyes, now gone as of May 15, 2017.
Release date: October 16, 1995, until May 15, 2017.
Started out as Vocal-Eyes for DOS on February 15, 1990, Which was a year
before I was born on that same day. created by GW Micro. Vocal-Eyes was the
top DOS screen reader. Then, in 1995, GW Micro released Window-Eyes on
Monday, October 16, 1995. On January 14, GW Micro and Microsoft released a
version of Window-Eyes free with office. This version worked with Office
2010 or up, and it came with two voices. Allowed you to purchase DecTalk,
Eloquence, Vocalizer, etc. Then, on May 1, GW Micro and AI Squared merged.
Then, on June 14, AI was acquired by VFO.

System Access:
Released date: 2005.
www.serotek.com
NVDA:
www.nvaccess.com
Release date: April 2006.
Developer: NV Access
I hope these notes help your friend with the history. Thanks, Sky.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis
Siegel
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for
her thesis



On 9/26/2018 12:24 PM, Mallard wrote:
The first screen reader I ever used was Window Bridge, which I really
loved. Pity nobody took it up after David passed out so suddenly...
Actually, I tried.  I bought the rights to the windowbridge source code,
but UPS lost the pc as it was being shipped from Canada to me here in
the U.S.  His brother did send me cds with as much material as he could
find before sending the computer, but unfortunately, since he wasn't a
programmer, he missed some vital libraries required for the proper
compile of windowbridge, and since the ocmputer was lost, I was never
able to do anything with it.  Quite a shame really, since I personally
thought it was an excellent product, and was very happy to have gotten
the rights to it.







Re: speech dictionary

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Strangely called application dictionary.


grin.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@comcast.net>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 7:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] speech dictionary


Has there been any talk on having the speech dictionary specific for a particular program? for example,I have the greater than sign blanked for email. I want to hear it other than in email.
***
Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep picking it back up!


Re: speech dictionary

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

There is an add on for that already if you look at the list.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] speech dictionary


Has there been any talk on having the speech dictionary specific for a particular program? for example,I have the greater than sign blanked for email. I want to hear it other than in email.
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Re: Addon Updater

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You don't need to there is a link on the add ons part of tools menu in nvda.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon Updater


Hi Georges,

Where do I find it, thanks.

Did you ever use the Google Search with the keywords "nvda" and "add-ons"?

<https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html>

René



Re: Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons

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That presumably only means they are http not https. Does this really affect such things as add ons, or are the browsers being shall we say a little paranoid again?
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Subject: [nvda] Fail in downloading the team talk classic addons


Hi, just like to check if everyone here got the same result for getting the team talk classic addons has a problem. So far tested to other adons works fine except to team talk classic I got the message insecure connection. in both Firefox and Chrome browsers.

Robert Mendoza




Re: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


It does not look like the cobra screen reader is realy going any more
unless there is a updated website.


the following link is about it at
http://www.bayareadigital.us/products/baum/cobra.html

I would be really surprised if they brought down the price for jaws the
price goes up with a exchange rate for others.



I think they charge like 50 nzd a month  like you are renting it and it
goes onto your disibility allowance and if it is all used up out of your
pocket.


Gene nz



Gene nz

On 29/09/2018 7:20 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
It's still around. Though it's not popular in America, Canada, but it is
popular in Germany as that is where it is made. What is very odd about this
screen reading market is that it seems to be controlled by the big blind
organisations. JFW is what I like to call the world wide screen reader as
in, it is the one that is world-wide. Everywhere you go, every institution
you go into, JAWS is there. And yet, we have all of those other screen
readers that struggle through market share and I have a feeling that the
screen reading market has been controlled. In fact, I remember a post on a
mailing list a few years ago, You could probably find it in the mailing list
archive, where somebody said that if we were to get rid of the government
sponsorship that we would probably see more competition between JAWS,
Supernova, NVDA, System Access, and, when it was alive back then,
Window-Eyes, in those institutions, and the guy said if we successfully got
rid of the government sponsorship then JAWS would have to play by the same
rules as everybody else, and he said what could happen is somebody in a low
income bracket would purchase something like SA, or use the free NVDA,
someone in a mid-income bracket might choose Supernova, and someone who was
on a high income bracket would go for JAWS, and, Window-Eyes, as, this was
2011 when that message was posted on the mailing list. I do hope that NVDA
will get into big government institutions, as right now, I am a little
saddened at FS right now. Basically, they are going to a subscription base
model for authorisation, in JAWS 2019. The way it is going to work, is in
the US, you will be able to purchase a home annual licence, but you will
have to keep renewing your subscription to keep JAWS authorised. Eventually,
all of the SMA's etc. will be in the portal, and everything will be
subscription baste for jfw. And I believe the price will be $60 per year.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Buddy
Brannan
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 11:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A friend needs info on screen readers history for her
thesis

What about Cobra? That seems to have been the successor, after a while, to
ScreenPower. No clue what its eventual fate was, or if it still exists.

Then there were some, ahh, interesting offerings, like Thunder. And there
was this other one whose name I forget. Never got very far either of them.
On Sep 28, 2018, at 5:04 PM, ely.r@comcast.net wrote:

Travis
Lost this thread, but now found it, wanted to send this site to you and
friend.
Before Screen Readers, There had to be readers!
The site below is an auditory history of early speech synthesizers. Each
sample has a brief description of who where and when it was developed.
Obviously screen readers needed intelligible voices to be of any worth. It
is incredible to see how far the technology developed and what approaches
were used along the way.
Have fun!
Rick
http://www.festvox.org/history/klatt.html
n 9/28> And just to add to this, Window Bridge, was the first screen
reader to
ever come out for windows. It came out around June of 1992. In the
beginning, their were about 10 windows products, which today, has been
reduced today.
The 10 windows products that you saw in the market were:
Window Bridge
Syntha Voice, released on June 1992. Now gone.
Out Spoken for the mac and windows, Berkley systems, Alva access
group, released in 1994, now gone.

Dolphin Hal, now called Supernova
Yourdolphin.com

Screen power, Telussensory, now gone.
Artic Winvision, also gone.
ASAW, also gone.
JAWS
www.freedomscientific.com
Released January 20, 1995 First developed for DOS in 1989. Created by
Henter-Joyce, which became Freedom Scientific in 2000, which became
VFO-group in 2015.
Window-Eyes, now gone as of May 15, 2017.
Release date: October 16, 1995, until May 15, 2017.
Started out as Vocal-Eyes for DOS on February 15, 1990, Which was a
year before I was born on that same day. created by GW Micro.
Vocal-Eyes was the top DOS screen reader. Then, in 1995, GW Micro
released Window-Eyes on Monday, October 16, 1995. On January 14, GW
Micro and Microsoft released a version of Window-Eyes free with
office. This version worked with Office
2010 or up, and it came with two voices. Allowed you to purchase
DecTalk, Eloquence, Vocalizer, etc. Then, on May 1, GW Micro and AI
Squared merged.
Then, on June 14, AI was acquired by VFO.

System Access:
Released date: 2005.
www.serotek.com
NVDA:
www.nvaccess.com
Release date: April 2006.
Developer: NV Access
I hope these notes help your friend with the history. Thanks, Sky.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers
history for her thesis



On 9/26/2018 12:24 PM, Mallard wrote:
The first screen reader I ever used was Window Bridge, which I really
loved. Pity nobody took it up after David passed out so suddenly...
Actually, I tried. I bought the rights to the windowbridge source
code, but UPS lost the pc as it was being shipped from Canada to me
here in the U.S. His brother did send me cds with as much material as
he could find before sending the computer, but unfortunately, since he
wasn't a programmer, he missed some vital libraries required for the
proper compile of windowbridge, and since the ocmputer was lost, I was
never able to do anything with it. Quite a shame really, since I
personally thought it was an excellent product, and was very happy to
have gotten the rights to it.



















Re: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Sky Mundell
 

It's still around. Though it's not popular in America, Canada, but it is
popular in Germany as that is where it is made. What is very odd about this
screen reading market is that it seems to be controlled by the big blind
organisations. JFW is what I like to call the world wide screen reader as
in, it is the one that is world-wide. Everywhere you go, every institution
you go into, JAWS is there. And yet, we have all of those other screen
readers that struggle through market share and I have a feeling that the
screen reading market has been controlled. In fact, I remember a post on a
mailing list a few years ago, You could probably find it in the mailing list
archive, where somebody said that if we were to get rid of the government
sponsorship that we would probably see more competition between JAWS,
Supernova, NVDA, System Access, and, when it was alive back then,
Window-Eyes, in those institutions, and the guy said if we successfully got
rid of the government sponsorship then JAWS would have to play by the same
rules as everybody else, and he said what could happen is somebody in a low
income bracket would purchase something like SA, or use the free NVDA,
someone in a mid-income bracket might choose Supernova, and someone who was
on a high income bracket would go for JAWS, and, Window-Eyes, as, this was
2011 when that message was posted on the mailing list. I do hope that NVDA
will get into big government institutions, as right now, I am a little
saddened at FS right now. Basically, they are going to a subscription base
model for authorisation, in JAWS 2019. The way it is going to work, is in
the US, you will be able to purchase a home annual licence, but you will
have to keep renewing your subscription to keep JAWS authorised. Eventually,
all of the SMA's etc. will be in the portal, and everything will be
subscription baste for jfw. And I believe the price will be $60 per year.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Buddy
Brannan
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 11:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A friend needs info on screen readers history for her
thesis

What about Cobra? That seems to have been the successor, after a while, to
ScreenPower. No clue what its eventual fate was, or if it still exists.

Then there were some, ahh, interesting offerings, like Thunder. And there
was this other one whose name I forget. Never got very far either of them.
On Sep 28, 2018, at 5:04 PM, ely.r@comcast.net wrote:

Travis
Lost this thread, but now found it, wanted to send this site to you and
friend.
Before Screen Readers, There had to be readers!
The site below is an auditory history of early speech synthesizers. Each
sample has a brief description of who where and when it was developed.
Obviously screen readers needed intelligible voices to be of any worth. It
is incredible to see how far the technology developed and what approaches
were used along the way.
Have fun!
Rick
http://www.festvox.org/history/klatt.html
n 9/28> And just to add to this, Window Bridge, was the first screen
reader to
ever come out for windows. It came out around June of 1992. In the
beginning, their were about 10 windows products, which today, has been
reduced today.
The 10 windows products that you saw in the market were:
Window Bridge
Syntha Voice, released on June 1992. Now gone.
Out Spoken for the mac and windows, Berkley systems, Alva access
group, released in 1994, now gone.

Dolphin Hal, now called Supernova
Yourdolphin.com

Screen power, Telussensory, now gone.
Artic Winvision, also gone.
ASAW, also gone.
JAWS
www.freedomscientific.com
Released January 20, 1995 First developed for DOS in 1989. Created by
Henter-Joyce, which became Freedom Scientific in 2000, which became
VFO-group in 2015.
Window-Eyes, now gone as of May 15, 2017.
Release date: October 16, 1995, until May 15, 2017.
Started out as Vocal-Eyes for DOS on February 15, 1990, Which was a
year before I was born on that same day. created by GW Micro.
Vocal-Eyes was the top DOS screen reader. Then, in 1995, GW Micro
released Window-Eyes on Monday, October 16, 1995. On January 14, GW
Micro and Microsoft released a version of Window-Eyes free with
office. This version worked with Office
2010 or up, and it came with two voices. Allowed you to purchase
DecTalk, Eloquence, Vocalizer, etc. Then, on May 1, GW Micro and AI
Squared merged.
Then, on June 14, AI was acquired by VFO.

System Access:
Released date: 2005.
www.serotek.com
NVDA:
www.nvaccess.com
Release date: April 2006.
Developer: NV Access
I hope these notes help your friend with the history. Thanks, Sky.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers
history for her thesis



On 9/26/2018 12:24 PM, Mallard wrote:
The first screen reader I ever used was Window Bridge, which I really
loved. Pity nobody took it up after David passed out so suddenly...
Actually, I tried. I bought the rights to the windowbridge source
code, but UPS lost the pc as it was being shipped from Canada to me
here in the U.S. His brother did send me cds with as much material as
he could find before sending the computer, but unfortunately, since he
wasn't a programmer, he missed some vital libraries required for the
proper compile of windowbridge, and since the ocmputer was lost, I was
never able to do anything with it. Quite a shame really, since I
personally thought it was an excellent product, and was very happy to
have gotten the rights to it.