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Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

 

Tyler,

           Thanks.  Now that you mention this it is, to my embarrassment, bringing back the fact that Quentin Christensen once went through all this with me, in great detail.  He went to great lengths to do what you mention using several bizarre substitutions where what comes out at the end is utterly counterintuitive.

            I still find the fact that this process doesn't drop out upon a match being made strange, to say the least.  I would far rather have to think about ordering my regexes to get the result I want than having one doing a replacement, then having that replacement passed on to all subsequent dictionary entries (regex or not), lather, rinse, repeat.  It is just far too easy to induce a completely unexpected result and to have no idea of why.
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Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

Tyler Spivey
 

On 3/25/2021 5:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I do believe I may have sorta solved my own problem, and I have probably asked this general question before:  Does NVDA dictionary processing "drop out" after a first match is made?
No. It just keeps going, with the replaced text.
So your first entry is conflicting with the second one.

To figure this out, I replaced 1 with 2, then 2 with 3. When I hit 1, it said 3.


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

Stuart,

           Thank you.  I would ask that you update the page (and now I'll be darned if I can remember what it is) that actually gives only the posting address and the link to the archives, and nothing else, when talking about LibreOffice and accessibility.

            It really shouldn't be up to the reader to guess the format for the subscription address.  In fact, that's the address I'd present there.  The message that comes back when you subscribe should include the other addresses for interacting, including the posting address.
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      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Where to put the TextMaker interface in english?

Tried the following:

Running NVDA with all add-ons disabled;

Running NVDA in english;

running the Com Reg Fixing tool


Nothing change...


Rui Fontes




Às 23:22 de 25/03/2021, Luke Davis escreveu:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Rui Fontes wrote:

When the dialog opens NVDA read the information, but when you press Tab nothing is read.
Rui

Is your language set to English? If not, can you try that and see what happens?

Although Brian's run without add-ons solution is more likely to help than changing language, it still might be good to know.

Also, try running the Com Reg Fixing tool before either of those.
I'm not sure how this particular software interacts with NVDA, so it may have no effect, but on the other hand it won't hurt anything.

Luke





Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

 

Luke & Tyler,

Thanks to you both.  And before I start, I did use straight apostrophe/single quote, the key to the right of the semicolon on the keyboard.

I do believe I may have sorta solved my own problem, and I have probably asked this general question before:  Does NVDA dictionary processing "drop out" after a first match is made?

In earlier experiements for someone who wanted any lower or upper case letter followed by apostrophe read as {that letter} prime, I put in this Regex:
([a-zA-Z])'
with a replacement string of \1 prime.

This entry is several items above the one I asked about previously.

Now, why under OneCore David that would give the full word, prime, e.g., Gene prime, when I was using Gene, still remains a mystery.

But I'm now thinking that I'm experiencing is a match and drop out before the regex I think should match is ever hit.
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

V Stuart Foote
 

Brian,

I saw your subscribe request come into moderation, but I quashed it as it was the wrong format.

You instead need to send email to:

accessibility+subscribe@...

and not to the list itself.

Otherwise here is the Wiki for the full set of LibreOffice project and other Document Foundation efforts.

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/

Stuart


Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

Luke Davis
 

Brian

Please confirm something.

In your regex, did you use the ASCII single quote character ('), or the actual quote character from the OP's message, which was unicode codepoint U+2032? (Represented, in HTML, as ′)

From your message here, it seems to be the ASCII apostrophe that you used, not the prime, which if true could be your problem.

To type the prime character on windows, use alt+2032.

Various information here:

https://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&q=html+character+entity+prime&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYF03wc4I2yJdrT0JaT__cBeLB4jkrVec&gbv=1

Luke


Re: problems to login in aws's console

Luke Davis
 

I am curious if Amazon accessibility support was able to get you past this one?
They can't, in the case of the Amazon Associates signup form, although they don't actually realize that they can't until you get to a higher level of support.

Luke

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021, Alexandre Alves Toco wrote:

While trying to login in my developer's account in aws, the page shows an image capcha and I couldn't find option to change it to an audio chalenge or something like that.


Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

Tyler Spivey
 

I've never heard NVDA say prime. That must be something with your setup, or you're not sending it the characters you think you are.

I did the following:
1. Created a new NVDA config (Run, nvda -c c:\users\tyler\nvdatest).
2. Read ''chinchilla'' with the default OneCore. It just read chinchilla.
3. Same with espeak.
4. Added the dictionary entry you tried:
Pattern: ''(.*)''; Replacement: quote \1 quote; case: off; Type: Regular expression
Read that again with espeak, and it said quote chinchilla quote as expected.

On 3/25/2021 5:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a direct spin off of an earlier topic asking about how to get two single quotes, when used in place of a double quote, announced as quote.  Since the description is that the double single quote characters always surround another string, I used that entire configuration.
I have used these two regexes, and tested same using Python regex syntax on my favorite regex testing site:
''(.*)''         Single quote single quote left paren dot asterisk right paren single quote single quote
as well as the enumerated variant: '{2}(.*)'{2}
Both of these match any string I've tried that is preceded and followed by two single quotes successively.
The replacement string I've used, with either one of those, in the default dictionary:  quote \1 quote
It does not work.
If I have the string:
''chinchilla''
I hear chinchilla prime.
I know that synths can come into play, but I wouldn't think the synth should matter at all when my replacement should be:
quote chinchilla quote
What am I missing here?
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      ~ Anton Chekhov


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
They seem to be having mail problems of some serious nature.
Their mail server is vm194.documentfoundation.org.

Attempts to send mail to anywhere through that server, are resulting in:
450 4.3.2 Service currently unavailable

No telling what might be going on there, but the web server on that machine hasn't been setup beyond the general introduction, making it look like a new machine. Maybe their moving?

Luke


OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

 

This is a direct spin off of an earlier topic asking about how to get two single quotes, when used in place of a double quote, announced as quote.  Since the description is that the double single quote characters always surround another string, I used that entire configuration.

I have used these two regexes, and tested same using Python regex syntax on my favorite regex testing site:

''(.*)''         Single quote single quote left paren dot asterisk right paren single quote single quote
as well as the enumerated variant: '{2}(.*)'{2}

Both of these match any string I've tried that is preceded and followed by two single quotes successively.

The replacement string I've used, with either one of those, in the default dictionary:  quote \1 quote

It does not work.  

If I have the string:
''chinchilla''
I hear chinchilla prime.

I know that synths can come into play, but I wouldn't think the synth should matter at all when my replacement should be:
quote chinchilla quote

What am I missing here?
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 07:23 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
They also have a dedicated list dealing with accessibility issues.
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David,

I know how careful you usually are, so I instantly thought, "Write-O" when I saw that prior reference to OpenOffice where LibreOffice was intended.  We all do this sort of thing every once in a while, and having a "reputation for accuracy which proceeds you in regard to accuracy" made me virtually certain you hadn't intended what you'd actually sent.

LibreOffice Accessibility Mailing List

accessibility@...

LibreOffice Accessibility Mailing List Archive

I tried sending to the address for that group earlier today with subscribe as the subject, but got nothing back either confirming or refuting the subscription.  I'll have to try again with subscribe in the message body.  But what's above is what they give on their own web page.  It would be helpful if they gave actual instructions for subscribing, but I couldn't find anywhere I could send that request to.

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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

David Goldfield
 

> Did you mean to type OpenOffice?   

 

I most certainly did not .. thank you for catching that. I should have done a better job of proofreading before I sent that.

You’re absolutely correct. For a while OpenOffice seemed practically dead. They’ve had a few updates over the past few months but LibreOffice seems to be where the development is happening. They also have a dedicated list dealing with accessibility issues. It’s very low traffic but the fact that they even have one is impressive, to me.

 

 

 

 

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Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 7:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 07:14 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

They are similar but OpenOffice releases updates on a more regular cadence.

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Did you mean to type OpenOffice?   I have found the release schedule from OpenOffice to be very spotty and inconsistent compared to that of LibreOffice.  There was a time where it really looked like OpenOffice might actually go belly up.
 
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      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Rui Fontes wrote:

When the dialog opens NVDA read the information, but when you press Tab nothing is read.
Rui

Is your language set to English? If not, can you try that and see what happens?

Although Brian's run without add-ons solution is more likely to help than changing language, it still might be good to know.

Also, try running the Com Reg Fixing tool before either of those.
I'm not sure how this particular software interacts with NVDA, so it may have no effect, but on the other hand it won't hurt anything.

Luke


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 07:14 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
They are similar but OpenOffice releases updates on a more regular cadence.
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Did you mean to type OpenOffice?   I have found the release schedule from OpenOffice to be very spotty and inconsistent compared to that of LibreOffice.  There was a time where it really looked like OpenOffice might actually go belly up.
 
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

David Goldfield
 

Hi. Both OpenOffice and LibreOffice include a word processor, spreadsheet application, slideshow program and a few others. They are similar but OpenOffice releases updates on a more regular cadence. Writer and Calc, the word processor and spreadsheet application, provide reasonable access with NVDA. I have not worked with the other applications.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of aad leeflang
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 5:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

hello
i am using open office, but that is only a text editor, so no outlook or callendar.
libre officde is more or less the same and works fine.
and it is free
aad
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:25:06 -0500
"Lanie Molinar" <laniemolinar91@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all. I hope this is the right place to post this. I'm looking for free alternatives to Microsoft Office that work with NVDA and Windows 10. I had access to Microsoft Office for years through my university, but I had to quit school recently because my health wouldn't allow me to continue. I doubt I could afford a subscription to Microsoft 365. My school account hasn't been canceled, so I could still technically use Microsoft Office free through them, but I'm not sure I should do that, and I don't want to continue using, and getting more familiar with, software that I'll eventually have to give up. I know there's LibreOffice. Is that the best free alternative, or are there others I should try? Thanks.






aad leeflang
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Re: problems with a punctuation mark

 

Gene,

Just curious what you get for the following line:

''Gene''

Using OneCore I get Gene prime, which is really interesting. Particularly because I get tick (which is not unexpected) if I start going character by character from the start of the line.

It would be better, if it's not being done by some weird automation, for the originators not to use two single quotes in place of a single double quote character.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 02:49 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Here is very different...
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Which suggests, at first blush, that something is likely amiss with one of the add-ons you use.  If you want to try to determine whether that's the case, try again with add-ons disabled.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

Jewel Ardoin
 

Sorry, wrong email. Smile!

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jewel Ardoin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

 

Thanks!

I told Pam and she said that she will call them. So, you may want to let her know as well.

Thanks!

Jewel


Re: Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 05:51 PM, Jewel Ardoin wrote:
I told Pam and she said that she will call them. So, you may want to let her know as well.
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Jewel,

I don't know if this was accidentally sent to the group with the intention of going to someone privately, CCed to the group, or what.  I just wanted to let you know that I have no idea who Pam happens to be.
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