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Re: stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media

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I already asked this, as it used to be in those preferences, which sadly I no longer can access due to I know not what happening to windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media


How are you looking for the check box? Have you looked in the properties available from the system tray when you open the Drop Box menu in that way? I don't know if they are in properties, but the web site has a lot of accessibility problems and if you are using the web site, that may explain why you can't find the check box.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 3:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media


Hi all,

I've recently installed DropBox onto a new laptop. On my other devices I've obviously managed to turn off importing photos but on this new laptop I need to make the required change in my account preferences.

First of all I searched the net for instructions on doing this but it said I should look for a chekcbox by the import photos or import photos and videos ... obviously the checkbox should be checked to allow importing and unchecked to disable it. I could find no such checkbox using NVDA.

SO I asked in the DropBox community and was told essentially the same advice ... use the checkbox.

Is there a reason I'm not finding the checkboxes with NVDA 2018.3.1 using browse mode or object navigation?

Any advice on turning this setting off would be very welcome!

thanks,

Giles


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 06:38 AM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Consequently, there is the chance of someone forgetting that they have enabled this option [show password] if they have
A quick aside, I have yet to see an instance where this choice is persistent.  You must enable it every time you wish to use it and if you log out and go to log in again the default is always "hide."

While it is conceivably possible that someone might inadvertently activate "show password" accidentally via "twitchy finger mouse click (or other activation)" that is a remote possibility.  It's designed as non-persistent so that it requires conscious decision making to activate on the part of the end user for each and every use.
 
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Re: In-Process and information on NVDA Remote

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Hi, so the question is, Is Josephs build in effect the build the Remote team put up as the build it yourself release, and if not what will be the differences if they bring theirs out as a build in the near future, which is what is implied by your piece?
Sorry to nit pick, but I did used to get used to reading between the lines of press releases in a previous life.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process and information on NVDA Remote


Hi everyone, I've written an "In-Process" post today. Importantly in this
edition, is the link to the packaged version of NVDA Remote which works
with NVDA 2018.3.1. Thanks to Joseph Lee for providing the update. Also, a
bit of background on why some add-ons needed updates to begin with.

You can read this week's In-Process here:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25-september-2018/

--
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Training and Support Manager

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Re: serious problem with nvda 2018.3 with firefox

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Thanks for the information.
Though before the bug fix, I have already migrated to 64bit firefox.


Mohammadreza Rashad 於 24/9/2018 1:36 寫道:

Hello friends,
Please update your NVDA to version 2018.3.1; especially those who use
a 32-bit version of Firefox on 64-bit version of Windows.
According to the entry in What's new file:
NVDA 2018.3.1 is a minor release to fix a critical bug in NVDA which
caused 32 bit versions of Mozilla Firefox to crash.


Re: I have a couple addons that are several years old that I want to keep, so I'm guessing I shouldn't update NVDA at this time...

 

To be honest synth wize every one of them bar the code factory ones are quite expensive the way they are packaged at any rate.

Indevidual voices can be as little as 30 or as much as 70 but packages are not everything.

I can and will probably get the code factory vocaliser ones at 115 dollars.

On the subject of win7 units though, if you can obtain a legal copy of win7 you only need a 6th gen unit to install it on which is the last generation of cpu about.

You can still get some of those.

On 9/25/2018 11:26 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't run Windows 10 right now, but there may come a time when I have a new computer and little choice. Then, I suppose the best course of action will be to leave ProTalker behind, get the updated Emoticons and just move on...

On 25/09/2018 12:11 PM, Governor staten wrote:

Looking at your situation, unless those add-ons are updated, you can't update. That might become an issue soon.


I do not recall if you run Windows 10 or not. If you do, you might have issues. If not, no really big issues.



________________________________


On 9/24/2018 7:35 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Hey,


I've been hearing a lot over the grapevine about issues with the latest
NVDA being incompatible with various addons due to changes, and I have a
couple synth addons that are several years old, as well as an old
version of the Emoticons addon. I've been pretty anxious about messing
with computer stuff lately, and the last time I went to update an addon
I had to remove it from the Appdata because uninstalling it in NVDA
didn't work. I haven't updated since 2018.1 and part of me is scared to...










Re: I have a couple addons that are several years old that I want to keep, so I'm guessing I shouldn't update NVDA at this time...

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I don't run Windows 10 right now, but there may come a time when I have a new computer and little choice. Then, I suppose the best course of action will be to leave ProTalker behind, get the updated Emoticons and just move on...


On 25/09/2018 12:11 PM, Governor staten wrote:

Looking at your situation, unless those add-ons are updated, you can't update. That might become an issue soon.


I do not recall if you run Windows 10 or not. If you do, you might have issues. If not, no really big issues.





On 9/24/2018 7:35 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Hey,


I've been hearing a lot over the grapevine about issues with the latest 
NVDA being incompatible with various addons due to changes, and I have a 
couple synth addons that are several years old, as well as an old 
version of the Emoticons addon. I've been pretty anxious about messing 
with computer stuff lately, and the last time I went to update an addon 
I had to remove it from the Appdata because uninstalling it in NVDA 
didn't work. I haven't updated since 2018.1 and part of me is scared to...






Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Richard Bartholomew
 

As the original commentor on this – and that’s all it was, a comment, not an attack on anyone’s integrity – I am aware that passwords are usually hidden but there seem to be an increasing number of sites which allow you to show your password if you wish.  Consequently, there is the chance of someone forgetting that they have enabled this option if they have – probably more of a danger for a totally blind person who reads the screen linearly with their screenreader than it is for someone with useful vision who may spot that their password is showing even if they can’t actually read it! 

 

I thought it a consideration worth highlighting in case it hadn’t occurred to some and it simply seems sensible to me to minimise as much risk as possible!

 

Paranoia? What paranoia? I KNOW everyone is out to swindle me! 😊

 

Richard Bartholomew

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 25 September 2018 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

I think the person who wrote the first message expressing unwillingness hadn't considered that the password wouldn't be shown.  Of course, that person may comment on that if he/she wishes.  That being the case, as the song from West Side Story says, "You're well protected."

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hey Gene,

 

Mark this a red letter day; I totally agree with your sentiments.

 

 

On 9/24/2018 1:33 PM, Gene wrote:

I assume that in general, such people don't intend to do harm.  But I still would not show or share personal information wit them unless there were no alternative.  Hiding your password should be adequate protection.  But just as I don't assume that most volunteeers at the service would do me harm, I'm not going to assume that none of them will. 

If it is ever necessary to disclose personal information, I would disclose only what is necessary and nothing more.

 

Aside from that, I'm not sure using a service like this to solve a captcha would work.  You may want to comment on the clarity of what you see when someone sends a camera image of a screen to someone.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:55 AM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

Also, you are placing a lot of faith in someone who will probably be able to see your logon details as well as the captcha!

Well, for myself, as a volunteer for Be My Eyes, I know very well both what the formal rules are (which would forbid such unethical behavior) and the informal rules are (which would forbid such unethical behavior).

Also, as has been pointed out, passwords themselves are virtually never shown by default, and I can't imagine there's any blind individual who would frequently wish to turn on the show password feature where it is available.

It is one thing to be cautious and another to be paranoid.  There is no reason to believe that people volunteering to assist in this way are doing so to do you harm.
 
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In-Process and information on NVDA Remote

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone, I've written an "In-Process" post today. Importantly in this edition, is the link to the packaged version of NVDA Remote which works with NVDA 2018.3.1. Thanks to Joseph Lee for providing the update. Also, a bit of background on why some add-ons needed updates to begin with.

You can read this week's In-Process here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25-september-2018/

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Gene
 

I'm not sure where the extensions are stored but somehow, they all see it.  I found out by installing more than one portable version and seeing add-ons I had installed earlier.  I didn't expect that to be the case but it makes things very convenient.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Makes sense. Thanks. I probably didn't keep into account that all copies
of Firefox see the extension. I took it for granted that only the main
installation got it.


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 25/09/2018 10:05, Gene ha scritto:
> Look and see if the program you want to use it in sees it. As I
> recall, when I install a firefox add-on, all copies of Firefox see
> it.  It's an extension so look in that category.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:38 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
>
> Hello list,
>
>
> I tried to install Webvisum in a portable Firefox 52.x esr version, but
> my computer decided to install it in the current Firefox instead.
>
>
> I know it's a daft question, but how can I install it in the portable
> instead?
>
>
> I'd never had this issue before.
>
>
> Thanks in advance, ciao,
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
>
> Il 25/09/2018 05:07, Gene ha scritto:
> > But Webvism can still be used if you use an older version of firefox.
> > So you can use a portable version of Firefox for only sites that
> > require captcha solution and a current version for all other sites.
> > I'm curious about what will happen when the domain, if I'm using the
> > right term, for Webvism has to be renewed.  You may recall that a few
> > years ago, whoever was supposed to do so forgot and it wasn't
> > available for many days. So the question is will it be renewed again
> > or will it just disappear one day?
> > Gene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
> > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 9:50 PM
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
> >
> > Hi Gene,
> >
> >
> > That's two for two today.  The only thing I think was kind of bad
> > about the way this happened is that the original developer of this
> > program didn't tell anyone that he was discontinuing the
> > service/software. It was similar to what happened at Webvisum. One day
> > it was there, and the next it wasn't.  Unlike James Scholes who tried
> > to revitalize the Webvisum add on and actually extended its life for a
> > year or so, when it became too much of a problem for him to try
> > tackling, he let it be known that he simply didn't have the
> > means/resources to continue to make Webvisum compatible with later
> > versions of Firefox. That is all you can expect of people; he tried
> > and after a time just couldn't do it and he made sure that people knew
> > he had tried and couldn't continue.  That's all anyone can ask.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/24/2018 1:40 PM, Gene wrote:
> >> Whether it was more expensive than it should have been is one
> >> question.  But being blind may cost you some money because you may
> >> need a service that you need to pay for.  Ideally, you would get such
> >> services for free but this is not an ideal world and assuming that
> >> someone charging for something is exploiting you is not reasonable
> >> nor valid logic.  It depends.
> >> Gene
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* Darren Harris via Groups.Io
> >> <mailto:darren_g_harris@...>
> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 10:10 AM
> >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
> >>
> >> I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures?
> >> It was nothing more than exploitation!
> >>
> >>
> >> On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
> <mailto:glenn.ervin@...>
> >> <mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless”
> computer.
> >>>
> >>> I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff
> >>> and find an extra HDMI cable.
> >>>
> >>> But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor
> >>> connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.
> >>>
> >>> So for most folks, that is a good solution.
> >>>
> >>> Glenn
> >>>
> >>> It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally
> >>> have a monitor connected to it.
> >>>
> >>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
> >>> *Desert Moon
> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
> >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
> >>>
> >>> Hello All,
> >>>
> >>> When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be
> >>> My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the
> >>> screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
> >>> --
> >>> Desert
> >>>
> >
> > --
> > They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> > They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> > I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
> >
>
>
>
>




Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Mallard
 

Makes sense. Thanks. I probably didn't keep into account that all copies of Firefox see the extension. I took it for granted that only the main installation got it.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 25/09/2018 10:05, Gene ha scritto:
Look and see if the program you want to use it in sees it. As I recall, when I install a firefox add-on, all copies of Firefox see it.  It's an extension so look in that category.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:38 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hello list,


I tried to install Webvisum in a portable Firefox 52.x esr version, but
my computer decided to install it in the current Firefox instead.


I know it's a daft question, but how can I install it in the portable
instead?


I'd never had this issue before.


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie





Il 25/09/2018 05:07, Gene ha scritto:
But Webvism can still be used if you use an older version of firefox.
So you can use a portable version of Firefox for only sites that
require captcha solution and a current version for all other sites.
I'm curious about what will happen when the domain, if I'm using the
right term, for Webvism has to be renewed.  You may recall that a few
years ago, whoever was supposed to do so forgot and it wasn't
available for many days. So the question is will it be renewed again
or will it just disappear one day?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 9:50 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hi Gene,


That's two for two today.  The only thing I think was kind of bad
about the way this happened is that the original developer of this
program didn't tell anyone that he was discontinuing the
service/software. It was similar to what happened at Webvisum. One day
it was there, and the next it wasn't.  Unlike James Scholes who tried
to revitalize the Webvisum add on and actually extended its life for a
year or so, when it became too much of a problem for him to try
tackling, he let it be known that he simply didn't have the
means/resources to continue to make Webvisum compatible with later
versions of Firefox. That is all you can expect of people; he tried
and after a time just couldn't do it and he made sure that people knew
he had tried and couldn't continue.  That's all anyone can ask.



On 9/24/2018 1:40 PM, Gene wrote:
Whether it was more expensive than it should have been is one
question.  But being blind may cost you some money because you may
need a service that you need to pay for.  Ideally, you would get such
services for free but this is not an ideal world and assuming that
someone charging for something is exploiting you is not reasonable
nor valid logic.  It depends.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Darren Harris via Groups.Io
<mailto:darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 10:10 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures?
It was nothing more than exploitation!


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless”
computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff
and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor
connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally
have a monitor connected to it.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Desert Moon
*Sent:* Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be
My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the
screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



Re: NVDA and Focus Blue 5th

Mallard
 

Hello ET,


Home calling...


Use the link I shared; get the drive from dropbox, install it, then choose "Freedom Scientific" in the list of braille displays in the NVDA Braille menu.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 25/09/2018 03:10, E.T. via Groups.Io ha scritto:
   I run a Windows 7 virtual machine with the latest NVDA on a Mac. I need to install a driver for the display but it seems not to install. The dialog shows the installation progress then closes without telling me what the end result was. In the NVDA settings, the Focus is not in the list of displays to choose from. Can someone offers some ideas here? Thanks.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Ancient.Aliens@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?



Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Gene
 

Look and see if the program you want to use it in sees it.  As I recall, when I install a firefox add-on, all copies of Firefox see it.  It's an extension so look in that category.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hello list,


I tried to install Webvisum in a portable Firefox 52.x esr version, but
my computer decided to install it in the current Firefox instead.


I know it's a daft question, but how can I install it in the portable
instead?


I'd never had this issue before.


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie





Il 25/09/2018 05:07, Gene ha scritto:
> But Webvism can still be used if you use an older version of firefox. 
> So you can use a portable version of Firefox for only sites that
> require captcha solution and a current version for all other sites. 
> I'm curious about what will happen when the domain, if I'm using the
> right term, for Webvism has to be renewed.  You may recall that a few
> years ago, whoever was supposed to do so forgot and it wasn't
> available for many days. So the question is will it be renewed again
> or will it just disappear one day?
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 9:50 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
>
> Hi Gene,
>
>
> That's two for two today.  The only thing I think was kind of bad
> about the way this happened is that the original developer of this
> program didn't tell anyone that he was discontinuing the
> service/software. It was similar to what happened at Webvisum. One day
> it was there, and the next it wasn't.  Unlike James Scholes who tried
> to revitalize the Webvisum add on and actually extended its life for a
> year or so, when it became too much of a problem for him to try
> tackling, he let it be known that he simply didn't have the
> means/resources to continue to make Webvisum compatible with later
> versions of Firefox. That is all you can expect of people; he tried
> and after a time just couldn't do it and he made sure that people knew
> he had tried and couldn't continue.  That's all anyone can ask.
>
>
>
> On 9/24/2018 1:40 PM, Gene wrote:
>> Whether it was more expensive than it should have been is one
>> question.  But being blind may cost you some money because you may
>> need a service that you need to pay for.  Ideally, you would get such
>> services for free but this is not an ideal world and assuming that
>> someone charging for something is exploiting you is not reasonable
>> nor valid logic.  It depends.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Darren Harris via Groups.Io
>> <mailto:darren_g_harris@...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 10:10 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
>>
>> I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures?
>> It was nothing more than exploitation!
>>
>>
>> On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
>> <mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
>>
>>> The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.
>>>
>>> I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff
>>> and find an extra HDMI cable.
>>>
>>> But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor
>>> connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.
>>>
>>> So for most folks, that is a good solution.
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally
>>> have a monitor connected to it.
>>>
>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Desert Moon
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be
>>> My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the
>>> screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
>>> --
>>> Desert
>>>
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>




Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Mallard
 

I think it's happened already... sigh!

Il 25/09/2018 04:51, Rob Hudson ha scritto:
Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
That's two for two today.  The only thing I think was kind of bad about
the way this happened is that the original developer of this program
didn't tell anyone that he was discontinuing the service/software.
That particular developer is famous for that particular trait. I fear the same thing will happen with NVDA remote, QRead and anything else he has up.



Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Mallard
 

Hello list,


I tried to install Webvisum in a portable Firefox 52.x esr version, but my computer decided to install it in the current Firefox instead.


I know it's a daft question, but how can I install it in the portable instead?


I'd never had this issue before.


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie

Il 25/09/2018 05:07, Gene ha scritto:
But Webvism can still be used if you use an older version of firefox.  So you can use a portable version of Firefox for only sites that require captcha solution and a current version for all other sites.  I'm curious about what will happen when the domain, if I'm using the right term, for Webvism has to be renewed.  You may recall that a few years ago, whoever was supposed to do so forgot and it wasn't available for many days. So the question is will it be renewed again or will it just disappear one day?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 9:50 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hi Gene,


That's two for two today.  The only thing I think was kind of bad about the way this happened is that the original developer of this program didn't tell anyone that he was discontinuing the service/software. It was similar to what happened at Webvisum. One day it was there, and the next it wasn't.  Unlike James Scholes who tried to revitalize the Webvisum add on and actually extended its life for a year or so, when it became too much of a problem for him to try tackling, he let it be known that he simply didn't have the means/resources to continue to make Webvisum compatible with later versions of Firefox. That is all you can expect of people; he tried and after a time just couldn't do it and he made sure that people knew he had tried and couldn't continue.  That's all anyone can ask.



On 9/24/2018 1:40 PM, Gene wrote:
Whether it was more expensive than it should have been is one question.  But being blind may cost you some money because you may need a service that you need to pay for.  Ideally, you would get such services for free but this is not an ideal world and assuming that someone charging for something is exploiting you is not reasonable nor valid logic.  It depends.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Darren Harris via Groups.Io <mailto:darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 10:10 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures? It was nothing more than exploitation!


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov <mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Desert Moon
*Sent:* Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: nvda and focus 40

Mallard
 

Hello guys,


Here's the link to my Dropbox for the Focus/Pac Mate driver:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwu4v41b2guydn2/FocusBlueDriver1.0.2030.exe?dl=0


Feel free to grab it and either install it (if you need it) or pass it on to whoever wants it.


I had some difficulty getting it from the FS site, so I thought I'd make life a little easier to others by keeping it and sharing it.


hth, ciao,

Ollie

Il 25/09/2018 08:45, Brian Tew via Groups.Io ha scritto:
I had the same problem in windows 10.
You have to download and install the focus driver from freedom scientific; then f'oc,us 40 will be one 'of the choices.




nvda and focus 40

Brian Tew
 

I had the same problem in windows 10.
You have to download and install the focus driver from freedom scientific; then f'oc,us 40 will be one 'of the choices.


Re: Ivona NVDA add-ons

 

Ivona is an interesting one.

Not in addon and to be honest, the only addons I would buy in sapi or nvda would be the code factory sapi or nvda addons or eloquence ones at 60 and 100 dollars respectivly.

And or the acapella nvda addon package at 120 or the infovox at round 200.

The rest peacemeal cost a lot.

35 bucks a voice if I want a lot 3-600 dollars.

However I am eventually going to have to buy something.

With the issues of 64 bit programs like goldwave using 64 bit voices, and with win10 aparently never staying on 32 bit voices I am going to have to buy 64 bit sapi voices sooner or later.

I thought about codefactory but have my reservations on licencing issues.

I would really like voices I can load onto any system without issues round licences even if it was a copy for 1 unit only since it will only be my station and mine spaciffically that will ever have speech synths on it.

I run slower speech anyway so maybe it won't be to bad.

It would be nice to be able to use win10 to use a 32 bit voice but with everything going 64 bit I have been thinking about buying a 64 bit voice lot.

Trouble is, I will only ever buy 1 particular set of voices.

For 1 I will never be able to afford more than one and space is another thing.

Ivona sound nice, acapella to but if I buy a voice, I want all the voice for my language, so every english voice and maybe japanese voices for if I need to play japanese games maybe.

I'd never pay for them piecemeal though.

The inoetics stuff was ok but did not work with eurofly and after they stopped trading to users, I figured that they wouldn' support their users with the product or honor the activation online so I killed all my information, which meant I wasted 100 bucks but not much good if I can no longer activate.

Ideally I'd like something like old realspeak where you don't activate or anything.

I have been thinking about buying orpheus tts for 40 bucks but I have heard heard bad things about that voice type.

I may have to resort to windows voices which I guess are better than nothing but even so.

On 9/25/2018 2:13 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi. Are their Ivona voices packaged as NVDA add-ons still available? If so what’s the URL and how much do they cost in USD? Thanks.

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10




Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Well that is good.

I have always wandered for business dealings or for those that want another way of contributing that while nvda itself is free, maybe there should be a pro version in several teers.

Of course we would have to set these up.

1.  a dedicated support service, especially for businesses, including but not limited to a dedicated script writing service for custom scripts for in house applications, priority support, etc.

Of course you would have to pay for these.

For things that were used and were generally available you could get scripts for free but also buy scripts for certain things.

We can cover a lot of known apps but is it right for an addon developed for a use of a certain place to be free.

packages of synths, I know code factory does a lot of things, but I have wandered if there is a package of reasonable synths similar to what codecguide has done with their free codecs that could be put together, similar to speech hub.

Things like ivona, etc, more addon or sapi packages.

I mean for us users we can ask on here but for a business they may like a central location to ask for things.

If we want to complete with comercial readers like jaws, thats all.

On 9/25/2018 1:18 PM, Michael Munn wrote:
I'm glad that NVDA is a free screen reader. Unlike the other conmercial screem reader NVDA allowed user to develop on their own. This is a good thing. Also NVDA uses the popular python programming.programming language. This is a great programming language

.


Re: Emojis on windows 10

 

Hi,
Emoji panel was introduced in Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
Regarding development of emoji panel support: in reality, anyone using one particular add-on were able to access this panel since July 2017. Over time, that add-on added support for dictation, hardware keyboard input suggestions and cloud clipboard history/paste. Yes, I am the one who wrote that, and I have prepared that part of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to become part of NVDA Core in 2018.3. That does not mean emoji panel support is done; in contrary, there will come a time when more synthesizers will get a chance to announce emoji characters (stay tuned for details).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Emojis on windows 10

Hi guys


I was looking through when support for emojis came in with NVDA I noted it was nvda 2018.3 for support for windows 10. I was wondering if there had to be a certain version number of windows? I noted it worked on my windows 10 version 1803 machine does it work on any earlier versions of windows 10 or 8 etc.


I was just putting together a tutorial on inserting them into your document etc.

I was going to add it in if i knew it went lower in windows or if there is a minimum for it to work with.


I was just putting it together for people who might know or not it has
come in for new users of NVDA etc.


Gene nz


nvda startup issue

 

Hi.

Well today I started the computer on my win7 unit.

Every so often nvda does not come up right, the systray icon does not show and I get an nvda thing showing a window.

I have to exit and restart it to get nvda to run properly.

It happens so little that I don't usually bother with it.

And it hardly happens but today I decided since people have been sending issues about nvda of late to pull it from an old log and send it over.

Its not urgent as such but here is the error anyway.

INFO - __main__ (15:54:54.257):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (15:55:04.124):
Config dir: C:\Users\shaun\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:55:04.124):
Loading config: C:\Users\shaun\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (15:55:04.325):
NVDA version 2018.3.1
INFO - core.main (15:55:04.325):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (15:55:04.325):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (15:55:04.325):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (15:55:05.483):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:55:05.684):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (15:55:05.694):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:55:05.723):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (15:55:05.723):
Using liblouis version 3.6.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:55:05.723):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (15:55:19.459):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:55:19.559):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
ERROR - mouseHandler.initialize (15:55:21.549):
Error retrieving initial mouse object
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "mouseHandler.pyo", line 199, in initialize
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 262, in objectFromPoint
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 202, in findBestAPIClass
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 197, in findBestAPIClass
  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyo", line 103, in getPossibleAPIClasses
  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 355, in isUIAWindow
AttributeError: 'UIAHandler' object has no attribute 'UIAWindowHandleCache'
INFO - core.main (15:55:43.529):
NVDA initialized