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Re: stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media

Hareth
 

Hi Gene,
For some reason that feature is located in the auto play settings in
control panel.

On 9/24/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you open properties and switch between the parts of the properties
dialog with control tab to try to find such a setting?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list accFrom: "Giles Turnbull"
<giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable
media


Hi Brian,

No, I can't find the checkbox that relates to not wanting DropBox to import

media on either the app or in my account on the DropBox website.

Giles










Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Brian,
I can see both sides of the coin here.
I am not generally one for grouching and complaining all the time, but I can see why a lot of blind people complain about paying for accessibility. Of course, I draw the line when I see people complaining that an audio game is not worth the price, when it is in fact half the price that its mainstream version would be in a gamestore. However, the fact that, prior to 2006, all screen readers pretty much required a bankvault to fund, as do braille notes, displays and embossers, whether manual or automatic, to this very day. Talking calculators and dictionaries used to cost in the hundreds (of course computers can do a much better job of both these days), when sighted people had access to these materials at as much as a tenth, and as little as a hundredth, of the cost. So yes, I can certainly see why Darren would complain that we should have to pay a monthly fee, no matter how small, to pay for solving CAPTCHAs, which sighted people could solve with a simple glance at the screen...In other words, paying for accessibility, which in my eyes (no pun intended) should be a basic human right governed by law, rather than another attempt to try to snatch as much money out of us as they can, bearing in mind that a lot of blind people live on a very low income in the first place.
On the other hand, I totally appreciate that a lot of work goes into these things, whether it be studio time for recording an audiobook or movie narration script, people working for AIRA or Be My Eyes etc, or developing the hardware and/or software specifically to conquer these barriers, designing a database of different algorithms used for CAPTCHAs, not to mention any components that the developers themselves may have to pay for in the process of development and so on, and that things do, somehow, need to be funded from somewhere in the chain. Of course, as I said in an earlier message, CBG itself relied on an external paid service to operate.
This is why I am extremely thankful for NVAccess, who actually gave us a screen reader for free, out of the goodness of their hearts, and a pure understanding of the problem we face on a daily basis, and decided to recoup their losses through donations. Had it not been for them, I would likely not be able to use a computer, unless I decided to tolerate rebooting every thirty or forty minutes with a demo screen reading product.
Then again, we come back to accessibility by right - if this was mandatory by law years ago, we wouldn't have to rely on third-party services to "break" security and/or reverse-engineer things in the first place, since getting back to our original scenario, all CAPTCHAs would be configurable to the disability involved, giving options for distorted image, ASCII, audio, text, logic, or form based. Governments would have no need to stretch their funds to the limit and say no to 99% of people who applied for a grant for a specific piece of equipment or adaptation. There would be none of this "have you anyone sighted to read the display?" or "look at the lights?". Everything would just be sitting right there, waiting for us to use efficiently and effectively.
Summary: I do not think we should get everything handed on a silver platter. But nor do I believe we should just shut up and live with our sorry lot. If a sighted person goes bowling and pays £10, and I go bowling and have to pay £30 because I can't read the scoreboard, I will complain, and I will complain rigorously.
I know my views may seem very extreme to some, given the current status quo, and given how difficult it is to incorporate accessibility into things. But I personally believe we have as much right to accessibility as women now have the right to vote. I have no qualms about paying, but I don't think we should have to pay any more than a so-called able-bodied person would have to pay to perform the same task, just because one or more parts of our body that society says we need don't function in the way society seems to think they should.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 24/09/2018 04:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Darren Harris wrote:
Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures? It was nothing
more than exploitation!
Because a lot of people want an automated method to solve them so that they can workaround what is supposed to be a way of preventing bots from getting access to things.
These solving services aren't primarily aimed at the blind and the prices they charge are a pittance.
Believe it or not, it's not all about you.  The world does not revolve around you.  People work to create the software and databases dedicated to this purpose and expect that there should be remuneration for that work.  It's not shocking nor is it wrong (other than I think it's sleazy to workaround something meant to prevent spamming, and that's what's really going on here, which is, sadly, pretty much a part of the cat and mouse game of security).
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which //assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with //a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./
           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Gene
 

Whether it was more expensive than it should have been is one question.  But being blind may cost you some money because you may need a service that you need to pay for.  Ideally, you would get such services for free but this is not an ideal world and assuming that someone charging for something is exploiting you is not reasonable nor valid logic.  It depends. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures? It was nothing more than exploitation!


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

 

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desert Moon
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media

Gene
 

Did you open properties and switch between the parts of the properties dialog with control tab to try to find such a setting?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian's Mail list accFrom: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable
media


Hi Brian,

No, I can't find the checkbox that relates to not wanting DropBox to import
media on either the app or in my account on the DropBox website.

Giles







Re: stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media

Hareth
 

Disabling and Enabling dropbox photos auto import from removable
drives can be done with the auto play options in control panel.

On 9/24/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How are you looking for the check box? Have you looked in the properties
available from the system tray when you open the Drop Box menu in that way?
I don't know if they are in properties, but the web site has a lot of
accessibility problems and if you are using the web site, that may explain
why you can't find the check box.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 3:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media


Hi all,

I've recently installed DropBox onto a new laptop. On my other devices I've
obviously managed to turn off importing photos but on this new laptop I need
to make the required change in my account preferences.

First of all I searched the net for instructions on doing this but it said I
should look for a chekcbox by the import photos or import photos and videos
... obviously the checkbox should be checked to allow importing and
unchecked to disable it. I could find no such checkbox using NVDA.

SO I asked in the DropBox community and was told essentially the same advice
... use the checkbox.

Is there a reason I'm not finding the checkboxes with NVDA 2018.3.1 using
browse mode or object navigation?

Any advice on turning this setting off would be very welcome!

thanks,

Giles




Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Gene
 

I assume that in general, such people don't intend to do harm.  But I still would not show or share personal information wit them unless there were no alternative.  Hiding your password should be adequate protection.  But just as I don't assume that most volunteeers at the service would do me harm, I'm not going to assume that none of them will. 
If it is ever necessary to disclose personal information, I would disclose only what is necessary and nothing more.
 
Aside from that, I'm not sure using a service like this to solve a captcha would work.  You may want to comment on the clarity of what you see when someone sends a camera image of a screen to someone.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:55 AM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Also, you are placing a lot of faith in someone who will probably be able to see your logon details as well as the captcha!
Well, for myself, as a volunteer for Be My Eyes, I know very well both what the formal rules are (which would forbid such unethical behavior) and the informal rules are (which would forbid such unethical behavior).

Also, as has been pointed out, passwords themselves are virtually never shown by default, and I can't imagine there's any blind individual who would frequently wish to turn on the show password feature where it is available.

It is one thing to be cautious and another to be paranoid.  There is no reason to believe that people volunteering to assist in this way are doing so to do you harm.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media

Gene
 

How are you looking for the check box?  Have you looked in the properties available from the system tray when you open the Drop Box menu in that way?  I don't know if they are in properties, but the web site has a lot of accessibility problems and if you are using the web site, that may explain why you can't find the check box. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 3:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media

Hi all,

I've recently installed DropBox onto a new laptop. On my other devices I've obviously managed to turn off importing photos but on this new laptop I need to make the required change in my account preferences.

First of all I searched the net for instructions on doing this but it said I should look for a chekcbox by the import photos or import photos and videos ... obviously the checkbox should be checked to allow importing and unchecked to disable it. I could find no such checkbox using NVDA.

SO I asked in the DropBox community and was told essentially the same advice ... use the checkbox.

Is there a reason I'm not finding the checkboxes with NVDA 2018.3.1 using browse mode or object navigation?

Any advice on turning this setting off would be very welcome!

thanks,

Giles


Re: Toggling On and Off Format Documents #addonrelease

David Kingsbury
 

OK, I guess that makes sense. I would never want to toggle off the things in the elements group (headings, links, etc.).


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Cristóbal
 

This is silly. So, who’s the arbiter of right and wrong?

He has a skill. He put it to use. Everyone’s got to try their own hustle. Nothing’s stopping anyone else with similar  programming abilities to try to crack the same nut out of the kindness of their own heart. I mean, please, go right ahead.

Don’t hate on the man for identifying a need and trying to create a solution to address it. He abandoned it for whatever reason. Be it lack of interest, maybe he priced it too high, maybe he just doesn’t follow through on stuff. Whatever.

But this notion of right and wrong is again, silly. I do agree that it sucks that we as blind folks have to resort to all these workarounds for access to the same stuff as sighted people and of course it’s a bigger issue of demanding fundamental accessibility for such an essential process of web browsing, but until somethings done, this is how it goes.

 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

No, nobody was forcing anybody to pay for it I’ll grant you that. But the fact that somebody was willing to make money out of that, I’m sorry but that is wrong! So if it has gone, then that makes me quite happy!


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:14, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

Nobody was forcing you to pay for it.

Let’s not fire up the torches of hyperboly yet either.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures? It was nothing more than exploitation!


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

 

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desert Moon
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Ron,

           Life is not without risk, for any of us.  Each of us has to make our own risk assessments, and act accordingly.

           Though I am not blind, I have plenty of life experience with volunteer organizations of multiple kinds.  There are a few "bad apples" out there even in those, but they are not the preponderance of those volunteering.  It is an insult to the bulk of the good people who do volunteer their time to imply or state that the risks of "being taken" are much higher than they are.

            In the specific context mentioned, solving captchas, the probability of a Be My Eyes volunteer being someone trying to cull user IDs, then spending an inordinate amount of time trying to crack a password they can't see, to take advantage of a blind user is so small as to be negligible.  The amount of effort huge and the likelihood of "payoff" is near to zero.  Crooks don't go for endeavors with "near to zero" probability of succeeding.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,


You write in part:


"There is no reason to believe that people volunteering to assist in this way are doing so to do you harm."
There is also no reason to believe that they won't do you harm!  As someone who has been more or less self sufficient for my whole life, who now, because of declining health, must depend on others: both volunteers and those who are paid--not much but something--I have been ripped off several times in the past year since I have needed such assistance.

On 9/24/2018 10:12 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:55 AM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Also, you are placing a lot of faith in someone who will probably be able to see your logon details as well as the captcha!
Well, for myself, as a volunteer for Be My Eyes, I know very well both what the formal rules are (which would forbid such unethical behavior) and the informal rules are (which would forbid such unethical behavior).

Also, as has been pointed out, passwords themselves are virtually never shown by default, and I can't imagine there's any blind individual who would frequently wish to turn on the show password feature where it is available.

It is one thing to be cautious and another to be paranoid.  There is no reason to believe that people volunteering to assist in this way are doing so to do you harm.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Darren,
Principally, I would happen to agree with you. However, the unfortunate fact is, we live in a money-hungry world, and as far as I am aware, the maintainer of the service himself had to pay for a cloud-based service (I believe it was powered by Amazon) in order to solve the CAPTCHA. With today's anti-spam measures, it's becoming increasingly difficult to simply slap an OCR reader onto it. If I only had to pay $20 a year (which is about 15 pounds sterling) in order to be able to solve CAPTCHAs I wouldn't otherwise be able to solve (of course not every website has an audio version), I was more than happy to go for it.
Even then though, there are some CAPTCHAs that are very difficult to solve without some sighted assistance, and that's a CAPTCHA created in the style of ASCII-art.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 24/09/2018 04:10 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures? It was nothing more than exploitation!
On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov <mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Desert Moon
*Sent:* Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Darren Harris wrote:
Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures? It was nothing more than exploitation!
Because a lot of people want an automated method to solve them so that they can workaround what is supposed to be a way of preventing bots from getting access to things.

These solving services aren't primarily aimed at the blind and the prices they charge are a pittance.

Believe it or not, it's not all about you.  The world does not revolve around you.  People work to create the software and databases dedicated to this purpose and expect that there should be remuneration for that work.  It's not shocking nor is it wrong (other than I think it's sleazy to workaround something meant to prevent spamming, and that's what's really going on here, which is, sadly, pretty much a part of the cat and mouse game of security).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I like to have a good monitor so I can show people weird and psychedelic films. Just bought a decent one for $150. I too don’t have loads of space, but this’ll do for now.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: September 24, 2018 11:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

I completely agree with you! When I lost my site, what site I had, I got rid of my old gaming machine, because it was of no use to me anymore. The monitor and everything associated with it I have gotten rid of. I now have a laptop. Ironically it is much more powerful than what I had before, but because there is no tower system or external monitor, I now have a great deal more space than I did have. I spent a lot of money on my laptop, because I want it to last a good few years. But yes, if I ever did have to get another monitor, then I would get the cheapest available. Because there would be absolutely no point in me buying anything decent as I could not use it any more.


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:18, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

For my desktop, I’ve got an old beat up monitor I scored at the Good Will for something like seven bucks.

It irks me to no end to pay for something that I have absolutely no use for. I.E. fifty to one hundred or even more bucks for a screen. The only reason I even have one is for the times I need some eyeballs to look at something that may be giving me trouble. Otherwise, the cheaper, the better.

 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

 

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desert Moon
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Darren Harris
 

I completely agree with you! When I lost my site, what site I had, I got rid of my old gaming machine, because it was of no use to me anymore. The monitor and everything associated with it I have gotten rid of. I now have a laptop. Ironically it is much more powerful than what I had before, but because there is no tower system or external monitor, I now have a great deal more space than I did have. I spent a lot of money on my laptop, because I want it to last a good few years. But yes, if I ever did have to get another monitor, then I would get the cheapest available. Because there would be absolutely no point in me buying anything decent as I could not use it any more.


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:18, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

For my desktop, I’ve got an old beat up monitor I scored at the Good Will for something like seven bucks.

It irks me to no end to pay for something that I have absolutely no use for. I.E. fifty to one hundred or even more bucks for a screen. The only reason I even have one is for the times I need some eyeballs to look at something that may be giving me trouble. Otherwise, the cheaper, the better.

 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

 

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desert Moon
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Ervin, Glenn
 

Or an iPad or tablet would work too.
I think another solution, assuming that there is not a time limit, is to download the image of the captcha, and eMail it to a sighted friend and have them solve it for you.
One should be able to do this with "save target as" with the applications key when you are on the captcha image.
I have never done this with a captcha, but I have with other images.

Glenn

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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Yes but you have a smart phone. That is not as common as you imagine.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Desert Moon" <desert.moon@hotmail.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?


Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes
iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer
than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Cristóbal
 

For my desktop, I’ve got an old beat up monitor I scored at the Good Will for something like seven bucks.

It irks me to no end to pay for something that I have absolutely no use for. I.E. fifty to one hundred or even more bucks for a screen. The only reason I even have one is for the times I need some eyeballs to look at something that may be giving me trouble. Otherwise, the cheaper, the better.

 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

 

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desert Moon
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Darren Harris
 

No, nobody was forcing anybody to pay for it I’ll grant you that. But the fact that somebody was willing to make money out of that, I’m sorry but that is wrong! So if it has gone, then that makes me quite happy!


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:14, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

Nobody was forcing you to pay for it.

Let’s not fire up the torches of hyperboly yet either.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures? It was nothing more than exploitation!


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

 

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desert Moon
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Cristóbal
 

Nobody was forcing you to pay for it.

Let’s not fire up the torches of hyperboly yet either.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve captures? It was nothing more than exploitation!


On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless” computer.

I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.

But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.

So for most folks, that is a good solution.

 

Glenn

It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally have a monitor connected to it.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desert Moon
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hello All,

When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
--
Desert


Re: Need some browser and screen reader input on a page

Jonathan COHN
 

Well, as soon as NVDA reads the line saying viewing dates after, the calendar is adjusted. If you read get to that line and then ask NVDA to read the line again with NVDA-up then it will read one month back, though pressing NVDA-up again does not adjust the scroll. I suppose I should try the site out on my Macintosh, where by default mouse and focus follow screen reader cursor. One minor point of interest is that the message indicating that only events after September 22 are being displayed is offscreen text. I have occasionally experienced NVDA misbehaving with links that are offscreen with a background image for the sighted person. Perhaps an offscreen clickable is being clicked when it is read by NVDA.

You might want to ask on WEB-AIM mailing list for advice, though since the calendar is in a frame it makes it a little more difficult to diagnose.

Jonathan Cohn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 3:16 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page
Importance: Low


Our charity has a page with an events calendar on it at
www.kingstonassociationforblind.org

Now with nvda, I can navigate by header to the frame with the calendar in
it. I can hear it say the date its showing events from, with a clickable if
you wish to change it, but when I cursor down, it seems that the calendar
date is a month before the date its supposed to be.
With me so far?
However just powered up jaws 2018 and tried to do the same thing. Headers
do not seem to work to that point. I need to stop before it and go down, but
I'm still cursoring down and this time the event in the calendar does not
alter at all. This is in the latest version of firefox and the latest
version of Waterfox. Both seem to behave the same, ie differently on the
calendar.

Its as if the calendar thinks I've hit the scroll up in nvda but is OK in
Jaws. About the headings, well I am not an expert on Jaws, so I might be
missing something.


So what is occurring, our site builder is beginning to lose his mind!
Brian

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