Date   

Re: contact you off list

 

Well, this behavior is clearly a bug and this topic just popped up on the beta group:  
Footer variations in individual emails
This behavior is starting to be noticed by many, and is apparently as new to them as it is to me.  "The Standard Footer Collection" was a fixture in every individual e-mail message from Groups.io, regardless of group, until this peculiarity recently appeared.

I still do not have an official response on the support ticket.
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Re: firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Jim, be sure to try the new 2018.3.1 rc1 that we released last night to (hopefully) fix the firefox crashing issue: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2018.3.1rc1/nvda_2018.3.1rc1.exe

Quentin.


On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:29 AM Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote:

Hi Q,

 

I have rebooted but haven’t started with addons disabled. I will give it a shot when I get home today.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

 

Hi Jim,

 

Thanks for the update.  It looks like there definitely is something going on.  Just to double check that you have rebooted since last night, and have you tried restarting NVDA with addons disabled?

 

One suggestion that someone had was to try "refreshing" firefox: 


https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings

 

They were using a 64-bit version but it could be worth trying still.

 

Failing all that, if you could go to about:crashes in Firefox and get me a crash ID , and possibly an NVDA log, I can keep investigating.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 2:33 PM Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote:

Hi Q,

 

I have a 32 bit version of Windows 10  and using the latest Firefox that I upgraded last night. The 18.3 version of NVDA does indeed crash every time.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

 

Hi Mary,

 

No, all feedback is good, and indeed it does indicate what I suspected - there likely is some kind of issue at play, but it isn't affecting EVERYONE who uses Firefox, or even everyone using 32-bit Firefox.  Interested to hear if you do have any issues though.

 

Regards

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:00 AM Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

I think I’m going to muddy the waters. I also have the 32-bit version of Firefox, and I just upgraded to the newest NVDA. I am running the latest stable windows, which I think is 1803? And sure enough, after installing NVDA, I had Firefox already open. When I altered to it, I got a crash. However, when I started fire fox again, it worked fine and has continued to do so. It’s only been a couple of webpages. And I still need to reboot the computer after the installation of  nvDA. But it’s interesting that aside from the initial single crash, it worked.
Mary
> On Sep 18, 2018, at 4:51 PM, ann <tate886@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I also had major issues with the newest NVDA and Firefox.
>
>
> I am running a 32 bit Firefox, latest version, on the 32 bit version of windows 10. Firefox crashes each time it's launched.
>
>
> But, after reverting back to the previous version of NVDA, this never occurs, not once.
>
>
> ~Ann
>
>
>
>
>> firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3
>> From: Clive Pallett
>> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:55:52 EDT
>> Hello everyone,
>> I updated NVDA to 2018.3 and tried to launch firefox.  The crash reporter screen came up and I tried to start a new session without result.  I have reverted to NVDA 2018.1.1 and firefox loads normally.  It also does when running NVDA 2018.2 which I was running before.  I have the installation file of the former version on my laptop so used that.  I noticed someone else having issues with firefox with NVDA 2018.3.  Is this a problem with firefox or with NVDA?
>> I will continue with NVDA 2018.1.1 until I can download the latest version and hope the issue with firefox is sorted.
>> Best wishes,
>> Clive Pallett
>
>
>
>



 

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Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Gene,

NZ time, yes about what, 2am for you in NZ?  We released it around Midnight AEST :)

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:28 AM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin


I just noticed this email did it come in last night? I see the time but no date. I also noted it is 2018.3.1 RC1 which i do not think was there going to the snap shot page?

Just in the process of downloading it then testing it. I have also made a portable version and trying it out with the installer version as well.

Or is this a separatebranch to the others.?

I will get back to you after some testing.

Gene nz
 
On 20/09/2018 1:48 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Mick has worked overtime and compiled NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 to address the issues with Firefox crashing.

Please download it and let us know if it has fixed it for your or whether there are still problems.


Kind regards

Quentin



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Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brice,

With the refreshing problem, is it just your home page, or does it happen on other pages as well (Google, Wikipedia, NV Access, etc)?  Does it happen if you use say Narrator or an older build of NVDA?

If it is specific to NVDA, a copy of your NVDA log could be helpful.  And all the other usual things to try like restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled etc.

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:10 AM Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
Update, rebooted my system after NVDA update and the website still acts
as if it's refreshing.
Lstart.att.net
No longer does NVDA seem like it wants to crash. Just the refreshing
proble at my home page.

On 9/19/2018 8:38 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> i have Firefox Portable ESR_60.2.0 _ 64 bit. I normally use NVDA and
> even tried Jaws and narrator and all 3 seem as if they want to crash,
> but just go silent for up to 30 seconds or so. Web pages keep
> refreshing. NVDA key plus F-7 or insert f-7 for Jaws don't give me a
> list of links. This is  where I gave up. All 3 screen readers are
> current. and I'm running
> Windows version: Windows 10Ver1803 (64-bit) build 17134.286
> Glad I didn't allow my FX 52.x to update to 60.2.0 Forgot to mention, I
> have a Lenovo laptop, don't know what series it is though.
>
>
>
>





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Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.

Quentin Christensen
 

Ok thank you, that's something I can follow up on .


On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:41 AM Александр Епанешников <aarnaarn2@...> wrote:
it is difficult. there is a big problem with prepositions espeak put to
much emphasis on them.

for example (в с на).

some words are also misread. example (интернет.)






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Re: firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


For your windows version in the search box type winver then prss the enter key and then it will give you the windows version number.


For fire fox if it loads have a look under the help then about section of fire fox. If it loads nicely i am guessing it is the 64 bit version and it should say it in the about section.


If it crashes i am guessing it is the 32 bit version.


Gene nz



On 20/09/2018 1:12 AM, Heaven Botma wrote:

Hi

 

I am really not sure which Windows 10 and FireFox I am using.  If I may ask a silly question: How do you find out if it is the 32 BIT or 64BIT version?

 

Kind regards

 

Heaven Botma

Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder

20 Adderley Street, Worcester

T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835

www.innovationfortheblind.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 10:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

 

Are you using 32-bit Windows or 64-bit, and 32 or 64-bit Firefox?  If you are using 64-bit Windows, then switch to the 64-bit version of Firefox.  There do seem to be issues with 32-bit Firefox though.

 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 6:18 PM Heaven Botma <heaven@...> wrote:

Dear List

It is definitely an issue between the new version of NVDA and the new version of FireFox.  I installed an older version of NVDA, and FireFox works perfectly again.

Kind regards



Heaven Botma
Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder
20 Adderley Street, Worcester
T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835
www.innovationfortheblind.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 09:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

Yes this also gels with my feelings about people not knowing about the beta testing or not doing any, so never see the issue till the main update. What is needed is a post encouraging more people to try the code while its being developed, even as a portable version, so they still have their installed copy.That way a lot more feedback could be gotten and the other reason why it might have not been spotted is the generally unfriendly nature of the reporting system and the  fact that there is nobody who actually feeds back in the list if a gather problem has been confirmed to keep people alerted of what the state of play is.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3


Quentin and all

Have you seen people who use Firefox 32 bit in Windows 10 32 bit who report
that it works properly?  I suspect this is a general problem with that
combination but that since the number of people using that combination is
rather small and since the update has been out for only about a day, we
haven't gotten many reports, at least yet.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Pipczak
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3


Hi Q,



I have a 32 bit version of Windows 10  and using the latest Firefox that I
upgraded last night. The 18.3 version of NVDA does indeed crash every time.



Thanks,

Jim







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3



Hi Mary,



No, all feedback is good, and indeed it does indicate what I suspected -
there likely is some kind of issue at play, but it isn't affecting EVERYONE
who uses Firefox, or even everyone using 32-bit Firefox.  Interested to hear
if you do have any issues though.



Regards

Quentin.



On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:00 AM Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

  I think I’m going to muddy the waters. I also have the 32-bit version of
Firefox, and I just upgraded to the newest NVDA. I am running the latest
stable windows, which I think is 1803? And sure enough, after installing
NVDA, I had Firefox already open. When I altered to it, I got a crash.
However, when I started fire fox again, it worked fine and has continued to
do so. It’s only been a couple of webpages. And I still need to reboot the
computer after the installation of  nvDA. But it’s interesting that aside
from the initial single crash, it worked.
  Mary
  > On Sep 18, 2018, at 4:51 PM, ann <tate886@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hi,
  >
  >
  > I also had major issues with the newest NVDA and Firefox.
  >
  >
  > I am running a 32 bit Firefox, latest version, on the 32 bit version of
windows 10. Firefox crashes each time it's launched.
  >
  >
  > But, after reverting back to the previous version of NVDA, this never
occurs, not once.
  >
  >
  > ~Ann
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >> firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3
  >> From: Clive Pallett
  >> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:55:52 EDT
  >> Hello everyone,
  >> I updated NVDA to 2018.3 and tried to launch firefox.  The crash
reporter screen came up and I tried to start a new session without result.
I have reverted to NVDA 2018.1.1 and firefox loads normally.  It also does
when running NVDA 2018.2 which I was running before.  I have the
installation file of the former version on my laptop so used that.  I
noticed someone else having issues with firefox with NVDA 2018.3.  Is this a
problem with firefox or with NVDA?
  >> I will continue with NVDA 2018.1.1 until I can download the latest
version and hope the issue with firefox is sorted.
  >> Best wishes,
  >> Clive Pallett
  >
  >
  >
  >










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Re: firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

Jim Pipczak
 

Hi Q,

 

I have rebooted but haven’t started with addons disabled. I will give it a shot when I get home today.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

 

Hi Jim,

 

Thanks for the update.  It looks like there definitely is something going on.  Just to double check that you have rebooted since last night, and have you tried restarting NVDA with addons disabled?

 

One suggestion that someone had was to try "refreshing" firefox: 


https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings

 

They were using a 64-bit version but it could be worth trying still.

 

Failing all that, if you could go to about:crashes in Firefox and get me a crash ID , and possibly an NVDA log, I can keep investigating.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 2:33 PM Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote:

Hi Q,

 

I have a 32 bit version of Windows 10  and using the latest Firefox that I upgraded last night. The 18.3 version of NVDA does indeed crash every time.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3

 

Hi Mary,

 

No, all feedback is good, and indeed it does indicate what I suspected - there likely is some kind of issue at play, but it isn't affecting EVERYONE who uses Firefox, or even everyone using 32-bit Firefox.  Interested to hear if you do have any issues though.

 

Regards

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:00 AM Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:

I think I’m going to muddy the waters. I also have the 32-bit version of Firefox, and I just upgraded to the newest NVDA. I am running the latest stable windows, which I think is 1803? And sure enough, after installing NVDA, I had Firefox already open. When I altered to it, I got a crash. However, when I started fire fox again, it worked fine and has continued to do so. It’s only been a couple of webpages. And I still need to reboot the computer after the installation of  nvDA. But it’s interesting that aside from the initial single crash, it worked.
Mary
> On Sep 18, 2018, at 4:51 PM, ann <tate886@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I also had major issues with the newest NVDA and Firefox.
>
>
> I am running a 32 bit Firefox, latest version, on the 32 bit version of windows 10. Firefox crashes each time it's launched.
>
>
> But, after reverting back to the previous version of NVDA, this never occurs, not once.
>
>
> ~Ann
>
>
>
>
>> firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3
>> From: Clive Pallett
>> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:55:52 EDT
>> Hello everyone,
>> I updated NVDA to 2018.3 and tried to launch firefox.  The crash reporter screen came up and I tried to start a new session without result.  I have reverted to NVDA 2018.1.1 and firefox loads normally.  It also does when running NVDA 2018.2 which I was running before.  I have the installation file of the former version on my laptop so used that.  I noticed someone else having issues with firefox with NVDA 2018.3.  Is this a problem with firefox or with NVDA?
>> I will continue with NVDA 2018.1.1 until I can download the latest version and hope the issue with firefox is sorted.
>> Best wishes,
>> Clive Pallett
>
>
>
>



 

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Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Quentin


I just noticed this email did it come in last night? I see the time but no date. I also noted it is 2018.3.1 RC1 which i do not think was there going to the snap shot page?

Just in the process of downloading it then testing it. I have also made a portable version and trying it out with the installer version as well.

Or is this a separatebranch to the others.?

I will get back to you after some testing.

Gene nz
 

On 20/09/2018 1:48 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Mick has worked overtime and compiled NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 to address the issues with Firefox crashing.

Please download it and let us know if it has fixed it for your or whether there are still problems.


Kind regards

Quentin


Bookmarks in Waterfox

Lino Morales
 

Hi Kevin. If you sign into the bookmarks sync in Waterfox you can still get your bookmarks back like you did in FF.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:13:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA
 
I don't think so,   How do I get book marks from say firefox into water
fox?   sorry I suppose I have somewhat high jacked this sorry mods.  but
to answer the question I am sure it will not work portable version of an
older ff and the webvisum might work.

On 19/09/2018 21:57, David Mehler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does Waterfox and Webvisum work with each other?
>
> Thanks.
> Dave.
>
>
> On 9/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>> Interesting thoughts. Thanks.
>>
>> But of course, Firefox Quantum is not inaccessible; NVDA quite nicely got up
>> to speed and I was even able to use version 57 with it for a time.
>> Not so with jAWS, where there still seem to be problems.
>> It is rather unfortunate about the add-ons, though.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: September 19, 2018 3:21 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA
>>
>> The quantom engine itself is not a bad thing.
>>
>> But the fact to fix security they block direct access to windows well thats
>> debaitable.
>>
>> Put it this way, 16 bit stuff especially old dos stuff trying to access the
>> hardware directly.
>>
>> There can be issues with windows because of that.
>>
>> Before that, software used to get in other software's way.
>>
>> The issue now though is that just about everything ie registry, standard
>> windows controls and accessibility libs need direct access, now just about
>> every addon author has to write their own interface.
>>
>> Thats why firefox quantom is totally inaccessible.
>>
>> Its a security trade off there is no solution, I understand why they do it
>> even aplord them for doing so but its a trade off.
>>
>> Waterfox will use classic addons as well as the new quantom engine and the
>> web extention apis.
>>
>> So in short we should be able to run both libraries eventually.
>>
>> Sadly older addons as long as they will be available like noscript will
>> continue but newer ones will not work but eventually waterfox will go
>> quantom.
>>
>> But will continue using classic libraries as well as the new ones.
>>
>> So in theory we should be able to run most of everything.
>>
>> Think of windows 10 linux or vmware or talking dosbox or something like
>> that.
>>
>> There will probably be a few limitations.
>>
>> Its unknown what those are.
>>
>> However this is a community developed project based on the mozilla code
>> without all the extra mozilla addons etc.
>>
>> Sadly its also indicated it can't stay in the happy place it is now because
>> the current engine has limitations.
>>
>> With thunderbird quantom, addons are just not accessible at all.
>>
>> Thats fine because I never used them and I find most of the rest of the
>> engine actually usable.
>>
>> I'd like the addons to work but chances are I wouldn't be accessing them
>> anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/2018 7:11 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Yes I have to say this is a cleaner faster browser altogether from the
>>> 64 bit standpoint but anyone running 32 bit windows cannot use it, as
>>> its been optimised for the 64 bit system and that may well be why its
>>> snappier generally. They say they are inheriting all the classic add
>>> ons so we assume from that that they have no intention of going Quantum,.
>>>
>>> They are seemingly attacking any security issues through other means.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Pallett"
>>> <clive.pallett@...>
>>> To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:46 AM
>>> Subject: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Further to my previous post, I noticed that Waterfox was recommended
>>> as an alternative browser to Mozilla Firefox.  I have installed
>>> Waterfox 56.2.3 and updated NVDA to 2018.3 and Waterfox works fine.
>>> If anything, it loads faster than Firefox and takes me straight to
>>> Google, my preferred home page.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Clive Pallett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Waterfox works with NVDA

Kevin Cussick
 

I don't think so, How do I get book marks from say firefox into water fox? sorry I suppose I have somewhat high jacked this sorry mods. but to answer the question I am sure it will not work portable version of an older ff and the webvisum might work.

On 19/09/2018 21:57, David Mehler wrote:
Hi,
Does Waterfox and Webvisum work with each other?
Thanks.
Dave.
On 9/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Interesting thoughts. Thanks.

But of course, Firefox Quantum is not inaccessible; NVDA quite nicely got up
to speed and I was even able to use version 57 with it for a time.
Not so with jAWS, where there still seem to be problems.
It is rather unfortunate about the add-ons, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: September 19, 2018 3:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA

The quantom engine itself is not a bad thing.

But the fact to fix security they block direct access to windows well thats
debaitable.

Put it this way, 16 bit stuff especially old dos stuff trying to access the
hardware directly.

There can be issues with windows because of that.

Before that, software used to get in other software's way.

The issue now though is that just about everything ie registry, standard
windows controls and accessibility libs need direct access, now just about
every addon author has to write their own interface.

Thats why firefox quantom is totally inaccessible.

Its a security trade off there is no solution, I understand why they do it
even aplord them for doing so but its a trade off.

Waterfox will use classic addons as well as the new quantom engine and the
web extention apis.

So in short we should be able to run both libraries eventually.

Sadly older addons as long as they will be available like noscript will
continue but newer ones will not work but eventually waterfox will go
quantom.

But will continue using classic libraries as well as the new ones.

So in theory we should be able to run most of everything.

Think of windows 10 linux or vmware or talking dosbox or something like
that.

There will probably be a few limitations.

Its unknown what those are.

However this is a community developed project based on the mozilla code
without all the extra mozilla addons etc.

Sadly its also indicated it can't stay in the happy place it is now because
the current engine has limitations.

With thunderbird quantom, addons are just not accessible at all.

Thats fine because I never used them and I find most of the rest of the
engine actually usable.

I'd like the addons to work but chances are I wouldn't be accessing them
anyway.



On 9/19/2018 7:11 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I have to say this is a cleaner faster browser altogether from the
64 bit standpoint but anyone running 32 bit windows cannot use it, as
its been optimised for the 64 bit system and that may well be why its
snappier generally. They say they are inheriting all the classic add
ons so we assume from that that they have no intention of going Quantum,.

They are seemingly attacking any security issues through other means.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Pallett"
<clive.pallett@ptplace.co.uk>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA


Hello everyone,

Further to my previous post, I noticed that Waterfox was recommended
as an alternative browser to Mozilla Firefox. I have installed
Waterfox 56.2.3 and updated NVDA to 2018.3 and Waterfox works fine.
If anything, it loads faster than Firefox and takes me straight to
Google, my preferred home page.

Best wishes,

Clive Pallett














Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Brice Mijares
 

Like I said, I'm glad it is a portable version on a thumb drive and I still have 52.x ers on my laptop.

On 9/19/2018 11:46 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are comparing what happens with the Quantum version of Firefox to what happened in versions that aren't quantum concerning refreshes, an important feature was removed from quantum and I consider it essential that people let those responsible for accessibility know about this.
There was a setting before Quantum that would have the browser tell you if a page wanted to refresh or redirect.  You would manually have to approve the action.  That option is no longer available in Quantum  That may be why the page refreshes now and not in whatever version you were using before.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:10 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing
Update, rebooted my system after NVDA update and the website still acts
as if it's refreshing.
Lstart.att.net
No longer does NVDA seem like it wants to crash. Just the refreshing
proble at my home page.
On 9/19/2018 8:38 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> i have Firefox Portable ESR_60.2.0 _ 64 bit. I normally use NVDA and
> even tried Jaws and narrator and all 3 seem as if they want to crash,
> but just go silent for up to 30 seconds or so. Web pages keep
> refreshing. NVDA key plus F-7 or insert f-7 for Jaws don't give me a
> list of links. This is  where I gave up. All 3 screen readers are
> current. and I'm running
> Windows version: Windows 10Ver1803 (64-bit) build 17134.286
> Glad I didn't allow my FX 52.x to update to 60.2.0 Forgot to mention, I
> have a Lenovo laptop, don't know what series it is though.
>
>
>
>


Re: Waterfox works with NVDA

David Mehler
 

Hi,

Does Waterfox and Webvisum work with each other?

Thanks.
Dave.

On 9/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Interesting thoughts. Thanks.

But of course, Firefox Quantum is not inaccessible; NVDA quite nicely got up
to speed and I was even able to use version 57 with it for a time.
Not so with jAWS, where there still seem to be problems.
It is rather unfortunate about the add-ons, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: September 19, 2018 3:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA

The quantom engine itself is not a bad thing.

But the fact to fix security they block direct access to windows well thats
debaitable.

Put it this way, 16 bit stuff especially old dos stuff trying to access the
hardware directly.

There can be issues with windows because of that.

Before that, software used to get in other software's way.

The issue now though is that just about everything ie registry, standard
windows controls and accessibility libs need direct access, now just about
every addon author has to write their own interface.

Thats why firefox quantom is totally inaccessible.

Its a security trade off there is no solution, I understand why they do it
even aplord them for doing so but its a trade off.

Waterfox will use classic addons as well as the new quantom engine and the
web extention apis.

So in short we should be able to run both libraries eventually.

Sadly older addons as long as they will be available like noscript will
continue but newer ones will not work but eventually waterfox will go
quantom.

But will continue using classic libraries as well as the new ones.

So in theory we should be able to run most of everything.

Think of windows 10 linux or vmware or talking dosbox or something like
that.

There will probably be a few limitations.

Its unknown what those are.

However this is a community developed project based on the mozilla code
without all the extra mozilla addons etc.

Sadly its also indicated it can't stay in the happy place it is now because
the current engine has limitations.

With thunderbird quantom, addons are just not accessible at all.

Thats fine because I never used them and I find most of the rest of the
engine actually usable.

I'd like the addons to work but chances are I wouldn't be accessing them
anyway.



On 9/19/2018 7:11 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I have to say this is a cleaner faster browser altogether from the
64 bit standpoint but anyone running 32 bit windows cannot use it, as
its been optimised for the 64 bit system and that may well be why its
snappier generally. They say they are inheriting all the classic add
ons so we assume from that that they have no intention of going Quantum,.

They are seemingly attacking any security issues through other means.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Pallett"
<clive.pallett@ptplace.co.uk>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA


Hello everyone,

Further to my previous post, I noticed that Waterfox was recommended
as an alternative browser to Mozilla Firefox. I have installed
Waterfox 56.2.3 and updated NVDA to 2018.3 and Waterfox works fine.
If anything, it loads faster than Firefox and takes me straight to
Google, my preferred home page.

Best wishes,

Clive Pallett














Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Gene
 

There were certain kinds of refreshes that JAWS couldn't stop.  I don't know if that is still true because I very seldom use JAWS now.  But Firefox gave the user the ability to have the browser notify the user when the page wanted to redirect or refresh and, as far as I know, that blocked all such efforts. 
 
Why was the feature removed?  Was there even proper consultation between the developers and those who work on accessibility?  Didn't any blind beta testers notice and complain about the removal?  Who knows.  I see no reason that it needed to be removed.  I see no way in which new features added in the Quantum version make it necessary to remove the feature.  But whether I am right or wrong, this topic needs to be addressed by the developers, either by publicly explaining the necessity of the feature's removal or by implementing it again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Hi Gene,


Going back to about 7 or 8 years ago, I find that even with JAWS feature of repressing page refreshes, for some reason, web pages still continued to refresh over and over again.  I am wondering if for some reason, this feature--whether it is screen reader based or browser based simply doesn't work any more.  I remember reporting on the beta team years ago about Yahoo Sports--which refreshed every 30 seconds or so during ongoing sports games and neither the Firefox nor the JAWS page refreshed did anything to stop the refreshes.  This is perhaps a web design issue as much as anything else and may be why Mozilla eliminated this feature.



On 9/19/2018 2:46 PM, Gene wrote:
If you are comparing what happens with the Quantum version of Firefox to what happened in versions that aren't quantum concerning refreshes, an important feature was removed from quantum and I consider it essential that people let those responsible for accessibility know about this. 
 
There was a setting before Quantum that would have the browser tell you if a page wanted to refresh or redirect.  You would manually have to approve the action.  That option is no longer available in Quantum  That may be why the page refreshes now and not in whatever version you were using before.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Update, rebooted my system after NVDA update and the website still acts
as if it's refreshing.
Lstart.att.net
No longer does NVDA seem like it wants to crash. Just the refreshing
proble at my home page.

On 9/19/2018 8:38 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> i have Firefox Portable ESR_60.2.0 _ 64 bit. I normally use NVDA and
> even tried Jaws and narrator and all 3 seem as if they want to crash,
> but just go silent for up to 30 seconds or so. Web pages keep
> refreshing. NVDA key plus F-7 or insert f-7 for Jaws don't give me a
> list of links. This is  where I gave up. All 3 screen readers are
> current. and I'm running
> Windows version: Windows 10Ver1803 (64-bit) build 17134.286
> Glad I didn't allow my FX 52.x to update to 60.2.0 Forgot to mention, I
> have a Lenovo laptop, don't know what series it is though.
>
>
>
>



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,


Going back to about 7 or 8 years ago, I find that even with JAWS feature of repressing page refreshes, for some reason, web pages still continued to refresh over and over again.  I am wondering if for some reason, this feature--whether it is screen reader based or browser based simply doesn't work any more.  I remember reporting on the beta team years ago about Yahoo Sports--which refreshed every 30 seconds or so during ongoing sports games and neither the Firefox nor the JAWS page refreshed did anything to stop the refreshes.  This is perhaps a web design issue as much as anything else and may be why Mozilla eliminated this feature.



On 9/19/2018 2:46 PM, Gene wrote:
If you are comparing what happens with the Quantum version of Firefox to what happened in versions that aren't quantum concerning refreshes, an important feature was removed from quantum and I consider it essential that people let those responsible for accessibility know about this. 
 
There was a setting before Quantum that would have the browser tell you if a page wanted to refresh or redirect.  You would manually have to approve the action.  That option is no longer available in Quantum  That may be why the page refreshes now and not in whatever version you were using before.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Update, rebooted my system after NVDA update and the website still acts
as if it's refreshing.
Lstart.att.net
No longer does NVDA seem like it wants to crash. Just the refreshing
proble at my home page.

On 9/19/2018 8:38 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> i have Firefox Portable ESR_60.2.0 _ 64 bit. I normally use NVDA and
> even tried Jaws and narrator and all 3 seem as if they want to crash,
> but just go silent for up to 30 seconds or so. Web pages keep
> refreshing. NVDA key plus F-7 or insert f-7 for Jaws don't give me a
> list of links. This is  where I gave up. All 3 screen readers are
> current. and I'm running
> Windows version: Windows 10Ver1803 (64-bit) build 17134.286
> Glad I didn't allow my FX 52.x to update to 60.2.0 Forgot to mention, I
> have a Lenovo laptop, don't know what series it is though.
>
>
>
>



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Re: NVDA 2018.3 on Win7

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes its only the 32 bit versions that did not work. The symptom I have however on 32 bit versions is not the same as the others, mine simply never gets to see a virtual buffer and yet sighted people use it fine.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io" <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3 on Win7


Hi, this laptop is running Win7-64bit and I just installed NVDA 2018.3 and my Firefox version is 62.0-64bit. I am having no problems. All is well. Thanks!
-LM


Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Gene
 

If you are comparing what happens with the Quantum version of Firefox to what happened in versions that aren't quantum concerning refreshes, an important feature was removed from quantum and I consider it essential that people let those responsible for accessibility know about this. 
 
There was a setting before Quantum that would have the browser tell you if a page wanted to refresh or redirect.  You would manually have to approve the action.  That option is no longer available in Quantum  That may be why the page refreshes now and not in whatever version you were using before.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Update, rebooted my system after NVDA update and the website still acts
as if it's refreshing.
Lstart.att.net
No longer does NVDA seem like it wants to crash. Just the refreshing
proble at my home page.

On 9/19/2018 8:38 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> i have Firefox Portable ESR_60.2.0 _ 64 bit. I normally use NVDA and
> even tried Jaws and narrator and all 3 seem as if they want to crash,
> but just go silent for up to 30 seconds or so. Web pages keep
> refreshing. NVDA key plus F-7 or insert f-7 for Jaws don't give me a
> list of links. This is  where I gave up. All 3 screen readers are
> current. and I'm running
> Windows version: Windows 10Ver1803 (64-bit) build 17134.286
> Glad I didn't allow my FX 52.x to update to 60.2.0 Forgot to mention, I
> have a Lenovo laptop, don't know what series it is though.
>
>
>
>



Re: Hi what is this missing file?

Gene
 

I think Webbie is out of date.  I'm sure there is a way to use the player with a standard browser that will work.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi what is this missing file?

Sounds like it's a problem on the end of whatever service you are trying to
stream or play, and not yours. Maybe contact them?





-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Gamages via
Groups.Io
Sent: September 19, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi what is this missing file?

Hello,

As Webbie was mentioned, the BBC I player on my W10 computer will not work,
I choose a program and then press enter, I get a message which says ,
"Failed to load this station, check you are on line, the remote server
returned an error 404 not found".
I have uninstalled and re installed the latest Webbie.

Any ideas?



Best Regards, Jim.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi what is this missing file?

OK so its a file that seems to only exist on my machine in Outlook Express
and I've now copied it to system 32 and the pdf reader folder and we are
back in business. I had a sort of feeling its also in .net framework as well
but not on my machine its not. Good old windoze.
Brian

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To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Hi what is this missing file?


> Whatever it is it crashed nvda  just now cos its not there.
> The program can't start because oehook.dll is missing from your
> computer.
> Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem.
>
>
> The program was the webbie pdf reader save  option on  the menu with a
> document open.
> All speech stopped on the installed latest version andI had to force
> boot
> a different portable version to get to know  what was actually going
> on.
> Should I be worried about this file not being there?
> Brian
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>


 







Re: Questions about NVDA 2018.3 emoji support.

John Isige
 

Yep, I uninstalled the addon in fact because I figure I don't need it anymore precisely because the support is built in now. I don't necessarily use them a ton myself, even when I had the addon, but I do occasionally just for the fun of it, and noticed those issues, so thought I'd comment. If NVDA is going to deal with them, I don't see why it wouldn't read all of them.

On 9/19/2018 2:19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you also have the add on, if so disable it and restart and try it again.
Having said all of that imogees leave me cold as seldom do the descriptions help me understand why the heck somebody used them to start with, but that is a social and syntactic issue not an nvda one.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] Questions about NVDA 2018.3 emoji support.


So I was playing around with emojis, and I've noticed that some of them aren't read, and some of them are read twice. To reproduce, go into the emoji panel, I'm hitting Windows-; (semicolon) in case that matters, and tab to people. I land on "woman, 1 of 175". Arrowing right I hear "woman, man, 3 of 175, girl", and so on. Now arrow back to the left until you get to woman. Hit the down arrow, and you'll get "older woman". Keep arrowing right until you hear "12 of 175". If you arrow right two times, each time you hear "man with turban" and the rising tone of a question mark. I'm pretty sure that later in the list there are three of the same thing in a row at least.


I don't know where the emoji naming comes from, if they're specified in NVDA source or they're drawing on something internal to Windows or what, but I thought I'd mention it. Incidentally, Narrator reads this just fine, I think 3 of 175 is a girl, 12 is a prince, the two things that show up as "man with turban" are a woman and a man wearing a turban, respectively, and so on. Narrator's kind of slow, if I arrow too fast I get duplicated names instead of new ones, but I don't think that's what's going on with NVDA. My other question was whether NVDA reads emojis now, the answer is yes if you read by line but not by character apparently, because I just added and deleted some from this email. So that's that solved I guess.


Sorry I didn't point this out in the RC phase, things have been crazy around here and I didn't really get a chance to do much with them other than run them and see that they didn't break anything.





Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Quentin,


This looks good. I have tested on and off for the past few hours and not only have I not experienced any crashes, but even cluttered web pages and pages where streaming is broken or malfunctioning, NVDA does not lock up nor does the browser seem to hang.  Things seem quicker and much less sluggish.


I must depart from the script a bit here to give a great round of praise to the tech support people at NVDA and whatever contacts they have at Mozilla itself for tracking this down within 48 hours.  I used to be a private beta tester for Freedom Scientific and my self appointed specialty was the Mozilla programs: Thunderbird and Firefox.  I never got such quick results in almost 11 years of testing.  It got so bad near the end of my tenure there that I got a bit too critical and they fired me.  This after over ten years of service and for those who pay an exorbitant amount for such screen access.  All I can say is kudos to all those folks at NV Access and Mozilla for their efforts!!!







On 9/19/2018 9:48 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Mick has worked overtime and compiled NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 to address the issues with Firefox crashing.

Please download it and let us know if it has fixed it for your or whether there are still problems.


Kind regards

Quentin

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Re: Hi what is this missing file?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Jim,

I'm having the same problem. I might consider uninstalling that program too
because it's not working on my computer either. Maybe it isn't meant for
windows 10.

Rosemarie

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Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi what is this missing file?

Hello,

As Webbie was mentioned, the BBC I player on my W10 computer will not work,
I choose a program and then press enter, I get a message which says ,
"Failed to load this station, check you are on line, the remote server
returned an error 404 not found".
I have uninstalled and re installed the latest Webbie.

Any ideas?



Best Regards, Jim.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi what is this missing file?

OK so its a file that seems to only exist on my machine in Outlook Express
and I've now copied it to system 32 and the pdf reader folder and we are
back in business. I had a sort of feeling its also in .net framework as well
but not on my machine its not. Good old windoze.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Hi what is this missing file?


Whatever it is it crashed nvda just now cos its not there.
The program can't start because oehook.dll is missing from your
computer.
Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem.


The program was the webbie pdf reader save option on the menu with a
document open.
All speech stopped on the installed latest version andI had to force
boot
a different portable version to get to know what was actually going
on.
Should I be worried about this file not being there?
Brian
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