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SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

A few days ago the add-ons community were told the following:

 

SystrayList add-on 3.0 will make the code compatible with Python 3 and make it work with old Windows releases.

 

Subsequent comments indicate that, although we still need to support old Windows releases if given a chance, we should eventually move onto newer releases. Thus, the following will happen in November 2018 and beyond:

 

  • November 2018: SystrayList add-on 3.0 will be released, migrating source code to Python 3. The code will still be compatible with Python 2, thus it can be used by people still using Windows XP and Vista.
  • Once Python 3 transition is declared by NV Access: one final SystrayList add-on will be released for old Windows releases.
  • Once Python 3 version of NVDA ships: whichever version of SystrayList add-on 3.x will be out by then, that version will absolutely require Python 3, thus completely dropping support for Windows XP and Vista.

 

You don’t really have to use this add-on to access Taskbar and notification area – you can press Windows+T to move to Taskbar and Windows+B to move focus to notification area. The add-on is there for convenience.

 

As for the question of Python 3 and old Windows releases: the version of Python 3 NV Access and some developers are looking at does not support Windows releases earlier than 7. There is a version of Python 3 (version 3.4) that does support old Windows releases, but by the time NVDA moves to Python 3, that Python version will reach end of life (released in 2014, Python 3.4’s scheduled end of life is 2019). Coupled with the fact that recent NVDA requires Windows 7, it was decided to end support for old Windows releases from SystrayList add-on once we move to Python 3.

 

This naturally raises the question: if Python 3 drops support for Windows XP and Vista, and if one add-on drops support for these, how about other add-ons? Yes, other add-ons that exclusively rely on Python 2 will not work in Python 3 version of NVDA. There are some add-ons the community has come to rely on that assumes Python 2 from the outset, and for some, it is difficult to port the source code to Python 3 without extensive testing and modifications. This is especially true for speech synthesizer and braille display driver add-ons, as the way Python interprets texts has changed fundamentally in Python 3. This also means once we do use Python 3 in NVDA Core itself, we must say goodbye to Windows XP and Vista.

 

So what should the add-ons community do, and in extension, what can the global NVDA community do? Although the details of the transition is still being worked out (with some developers researching possible showstoppers), I recommend the following to be done for now until NV Access announces transition to Python 3:

 

  1. Contact add-on authors and talk to them about their feelings about Python 3 transition.
  2. If we can’t contact authors of add-ons, do let the community know immediately so we can come up with a contingency plan (likely taking ownership of the add-on project by the community).
  3. If you are an add-on author, think about how Python 3 can affect your add-ons and plan accordingly. You don’t have to port your add-ons to Python 3 just yet.

 

For users of add-ons I created or am maintaining (SystrayList add-on included), I’ll make sure my add-ons are compatible with Python 3 the first day Python 3 edition of NVDA is released. Speaking of that progress, version 18.10 of Object Location Tones and ObjPad are Python 3 compatible, and in November, SystrayList 3.0.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Captchas Revisited

Sarah k Alawami
 

Rumolla if you can get it to workis grate.It is I think $1 for 100 credits and you have 3 months to use them but the service is grate.

On 2 Oct 2018, at 16:50, E.T. via Groups.Io wrote:

I am not wanting to create a new flood on this one. (smiles) I could not keep up with the last thread on this topic so I may have missed any discussion about the object captchas (pictures) in particular.

Is there a way to solve this type of captchas? Usually I can get around captchas by contacting someone by email. But in one case, I must solve the captcha in order to contact support.

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Re: Files not showing

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 


How to be stupid:
 
Of course, I wouldn't make a mistake and put all my files into one of those subfolders? hahaha!  So, when I looked into those subfolders, there they were.
 
See my next message for the next stupid mistake.
 
Thanks to all who tried to help.
Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

You don't change this setting in properties.  There is a specific setting to tell Windows to show hidden files.  there may be another to tell Windows to show system files.  Since the files appear to be there, they may be hidden or, less likely, have been incorrectly designated as system files.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

In the properties control on the Documents folder, it shows 286 files but when displaying the folder I see 13 subfolders and only two files; an ini file and a zip file.  Yes, I did start to put files into the folders I created for them but I didn't get very many moved.  When I look at the subfolders, all the files that I moved do show up in there.  I don't remember file names so I can't very well do a search. 
 
I don't know what kind of an update it did.  When I shut it down, it said it would do an update and then shut down.  I didn't get a choice.  Maybe there's a place where I can roll back to before the update; kind of like a restore point in xp.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

Consider the most simple possibility first.  Someone who uses Windows 10 can tell you how to do this.  Set Windows to show hidden files.  perhaps the files became hidden when the update occurred. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

Try searching for the files using Windows search feature.

Maybe they somehow did not end up where you expect.

Also refreshing the file explorer window with f5 sometimes seems to help. But that’s probably not going to help you as you say you already opened the explorer window to your new folder *after* copying the files.

 

You could try other things. Go to where you think the documents ended up on the c (or whatever) drive and check the properties. Does it show space used by the folder? If it says “0 bytes”, it’s possible the files did not even copy.

 

I’ve never had files physically disappear after a windows update, but it’s possible something is screwed up with the documents library. You should still be able to access the actual documents folder. Maybe open the run box and type in the path to your personal documents folder and see what happens. In my case it would be “c:\users\jm\documents”.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: September 30, 2018 3:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Files not showing

 

Hi, I'm just starting to use my new Win10 machine.  I copied many files and folders from my documents folder of an older machine into the documents folder under "this pc" on the new one.  Now when I go to this pc and open the documents folder, all I see is folders; no files.  I know they're in there because I was accessing them before windows did an update.  Now they don't show up.  Neither in "this pc" nor in "file explorer".--my mistake: two filenames do show, an ini file and a zip file.  When I look at properties for the folder, I see that there are 286 items in there.
What should I do to get them back?
Thanks.
Sorry; I failed to mention that I'm using the current version of NVDA.  But the demo of jaws doesn't see the files either.

Howard


Re: NVDA not reading slides in Presentation mode "slide show complete"

Mike Sedmak
 

A couple sanity check questions:

How many slides in the presentation?
Are you using f5 to start the presentation at the beginning?

In the past I have found that if I use f5 then escape then f5 a second
time, the slides are readable on the second time. YMMV

Mike

On 10/3/18, Joshua Crary <JCrary@rcc.mass.edu> wrote:
Anyone have any input on this? I have a presentation on Friday and need to
use power point.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joshua
Crary
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading slides in Presentation mode "slide show
complete"

Hello

I am running the latest NVDA and PPT 2016. The files are not in protected
mode. In edit view, I can read the slides. However, in presentation mode
(after pressing F5), and all NVDA reads out loud is "slide show complete".
I hit space bar twice, and it exits the slide show.

Any thoughts on what the issue is? I have not had this issue before with
NVDA until the last 3 months or so. Before then, it has always worked well
with PPT.



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ObjPad and Object Location Tones 18.10 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Two add-ons updated today:

 

  • Object Location Tones 18.10: makes the add-on compatible with more recent NVDA releases.
  • ObjPad 18.10: new and updated localizations.

 

You can obtain these add-ons (or check for updates) in a number of ways:

 

  1. Visit NVDA Community Add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org), select these add-on entries, and download stable version.
  2. If using Add-on Updater, these new versions will show up when you check for add-on updates in about half an hour from now.

 

Note: as of version 18.10, ObjPad and Object Location Tones are Python 3 compatible.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?

 

Hi,

For those reporting continued problems: are you sure you are all running Windows 10 Version 1809 (October 2018 Update/build 17763)? If you all say “no”, then I’m afraid I cannot use your reports for this study. Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?

 

Hi.  Actually the problem is more severe when using intensive resource apps like Sound forge and Magix Samplitude.  NVDA totally freezes in the windows explorer view and takes some time to respond even after these apps have gone out of scope.  Cheers!

 

On 3/10/2018 2:00 PM, Afik Suffir wrote:

 

b.h

I can confirm the problem as well.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?

 

Hi Group,

 

I can confirm the problem. In fact, the only way I even see the window for Windows Explorer/This PC is when I move to the desktop and tab to the task bar and highlight the item that says 'windows explorer one running window.'  When I press enter on this to focus on the folder, everything disappears.  The title bar says: 'Explorer' but nothing shows up.  When Gold Wave is complete with its task, then everything goes back to normal.

 

 

On 10/3/2018 12:55 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Note the steps below, and all requirements must be met in order to participate in this follow-up study.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:55 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?

 

Hi all,

 

For NvDA users running Version 1809: can you try the following for me and Quentin please:

 

  1. With NVDA 2018.3.x and Windows 10 Version 1809 installed, open File Explorer to any folder, preferably to a location where you have a large number of folders and files.
  2. Run an intensive task such as applying effects to a large audio file in programs such as GoldWave.
  3. Switch to File Explorer and see if NVDA reads folder and file names as you arrow through them.

 

This is a follow-up study to see if what NV Access and I have implemented in NVDA 2018.3 is working. If NVDA freezes, do let us know immediately so we can investigate as early as next week (Quentin and I are in the middle of a short vacation at the moment).

Cheers,

Joseph




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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 


Re: FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  Actually the problem is more severe when using intensive resource apps like Sound forge and Magix Samplitude.  NVDA totally freezes in the windows explorer view and takes some time to respond even after these apps have gone out of scope.  Cheers!


On 3/10/2018 2:00 PM, Afik Suffir wrote:

 

b.h

I can confirm the problem as well.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?

 

Hi Group,

 

I can confirm the problem. In fact, the only way I even see the window for Windows Explorer/This PC is when I move to the desktop and tab to the task bar and highlight the item that says 'windows explorer one running window.'  When I press enter on this to focus on the folder, everything disappears.  The title bar says: 'Explorer' but nothing shows up.  When Gold Wave is complete with its task, then everything goes back to normal.

 

 

On 10/3/2018 12:55 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Note the steps below, and all requirements must be met in order to participate in this follow-up study.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:55 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?

 

Hi all,

 

For NvDA users running Version 1809: can you try the following for me and Quentin please:

 

  1. With NVDA 2018.3.x and Windows 10 Version 1809 installed, open File Explorer to any folder, preferably to a location where you have a large number of folders and files.
  2. Run an intensive task such as applying effects to a large audio file in programs such as GoldWave.
  3. Switch to File Explorer and see if NVDA reads folder and file names as you arrow through them.

 

This is a follow-up study to see if what NV Access and I have implemented in NVDA 2018.3 is working. If NVDA freezes, do let us know immediately so we can investigate as early as next week (Quentin and I are in the middle of a short vacation at the moment).

Cheers,

Joseph



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Captchas Revisited

 

Ollie,

          What site was that?   Even if it doesn't exist anymore I might be able to find something based on the old URL in the Wayback Machine.

           I haven't played with the picture grid captchas with a screen reader, but if they used useful alt text that allowed you to choose based on the question asked that would be very useful.

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Captchas Revisited

Mallard
 

Hello all,


I remember finding a site a couple of years ago, which had a text description for picture captchas.


A sighted person would see the pictures, but there was also a list of text descriptions with checkboxes to check.


For esample, if you were asked to select all the pictures concerning cars, you would have something like this:


Van


Volkswagen


sports car


and so on, with checkboxes


There were a couple of unrelated items you had to leave unchecked.


The site is no longer there, though, and I never found anything like it ever again.


that would definitely be a solution.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 03/10/2018 17:39, Brian Vogel ha scritto:
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Gene wrote:

What is the point of boycotting something if doing so will have no
effect?

Precisely.

I fail to understand how "the blind community" cannot understand that captchas are something that has been put in place to solve a problem that, in various guises, poses a different problem for them.   The problem they are put in place to solve, bot blocking, is a major, major issue and there is no way in hell that they will ever be removed because they are so effective at preventing what they aim to prevent.

That being said, there are a number of Captchas that are not as insanely blocking for individuals who are blind as the "picture grid" captchas are.  Writing to sites that use these, telling them that they block accessibility, and telling them what to do - which would be to offer a different sort of solvable captcha or include an invisible link that would substitute for it and only be read by a screen reader that would allow some other verification method - is what is (or could be) effective.

Accessibility is not the one and only concern that the world at large is dealing with and, sadly, many don't even realize how certain things block accessibility when they're being put into place for other completely valid reasons.  Educating these folks is your only hope of raising their awareness and effecting the kind of change you not only want, but need, with regard to verification practices.

--

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/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which //assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with //a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./

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Re: Captchas Revisited

 

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Gene wrote:
What is the point of boycotting something if doing so will have no effect?
Precisely.

I fail to understand how "the blind community" cannot understand that captchas are something that has been put in place to solve a problem that, in various guises, poses a different problem for them.   The problem they are put in place to solve, bot blocking, is a major, major issue and there is no way in hell that they will ever be removed because they are so effective at preventing what they aim to prevent.

That being said, there are a number of Captchas that are not as insanely blocking for individuals who are blind as the "picture grid" captchas are.  Writing to sites that use these, telling them that they block accessibility, and telling them what to do - which would be to offer a different sort of solvable captcha or include an invisible link that would substitute for it and only be read by a screen reader that would allow some other verification method - is what is (or could be) effective.

Accessibility is not the one and only concern that the world at large is dealing with and, sadly, many don't even realize how certain things block accessibility when they're being put into place for other completely valid reasons.  Educating these folks is your only hope of raising their awareness and effecting the kind of change you not only want, but need, with regard to verification practices.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: How can I hel to improve synthesizers

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Yes I know what you mean there. Even the old Speech platform sounds better than the windows 10 stuff did.
Brian

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From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@daygar.plus.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I hel to improve synthesizers


Hi there,
There is actually more chance of being able to improve ESpeak, as it is open-source. But you'll need a lot of expertise on the C programming language, vocal properties and phonetics, and digital audio processing.
To be honest, I can't stand OneCore because of its extreme lagginess, both before speaking and its punctuation pauses. Unfortunately, SAPI also seems to have plunged down a mountain, except, ironically, with NVDA itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 03/10/2018 12:25 PM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I recently upgraded to Windows 10 mainly to use the OneCore Voices.

But I am disappointed.

The OneCore USA voices are very good, but I am from Brazil and the Portuguese brazillian voices are very bad.

The spelling, for example, is done with the english pronunciation of the letters. Very weird and difficult to understand.

The intonation is far behind of Espeak and there so many words that are pronounced the wrong way. Irritating.

So, I am forced to use eSpeak most of the time, even being tired of all those unpleasant robotic voices and, every time I need to use the English language, change to one of the American OneCore voices, that sound better, have good intonation, almost no mispronunciation, even lacking some characteristics I like in eSpeak, as the different intonation of capital letters.

So, as I know eSpeak will probably continue to sound robotic, the solution is to improve OneCore voices. Then, how can I do that? How to suggest improvements and correct errors in brazillian vocabulary?

To be honest, I really do prefer eSpeak. It is far ahead of OneCore, at least in brazillian Portuguese. If only it sounded like OneCore...







Re: How can I hel to improve synthesizers

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Obviously you will need to talk to Microsoft about the one core voices. If you have a smart phone I know over here in the UK the be my Eyes app can actually connect you to the Microsoft disability team who will actually raise a ticket on Windows. Of course how high up the ranking a Portuguese voice is is debatable I guess, but might be worth at least asking.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 12:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] How can I hel to improve synthesizers


Hi,

I recently upgraded to Windows 10 mainly to use the OneCore Voices.

But I am disappointed.

The OneCore USA voices are very good, but I am from Brazil and the Portuguese brazillian voices are very bad.

The spelling, for example, is done with the english pronunciation of the letters. Very weird and difficult to understand.

The intonation is far behind of Espeak and there so many words that are pronounced the wrong way. Irritating.

So, I am forced to use eSpeak most of the time, even being tired of all those unpleasant robotic voices and, every time I need to use the English language, change to one of the American OneCore voices, that sound better, have good intonation, almost no mispronunciation, even lacking some characteristics I like in eSpeak, as the different intonation of capital letters.

So, as I know eSpeak will probably continue to sound robotic, the solution is to improve OneCore voices. Then, how can I do that? How to suggest improvements and correct errors in brazillian vocabulary?

To be honest, I really do prefer eSpeak. It is far ahead of OneCore, at least in brazillian Portuguese. If only it sounded like OneCore...





Re: Using Help in Office 2016

Suzy
 

Hello Jim,
I can't assist you in using the Help screen in Office 365, because I haven't discovered how to use it. 
Currently, I Google any office help information I need. A Microsoft Support article is almost always the first item, and in many cases, it is the information I need. If it isn't, I explore other Office articles. As far as I am concerned using Google is quite efficient, and the support information it links to is what MS would bring up anyway.
I am sorry this is not a direct answer to your question, but I hope it is helpful. 
Suzy


Re: NVDA and Scripting?

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It would be interesting to turn off javascript on the site on the browser and see what happens too.
If it is still just a graphic, then it could be just a picture of a list. I've seen this on an energy site quite recently using some kind of so called interactive pdf, which lets say is not interactive for anyone without a real mouse!
Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Scripting?


Hi,
Which browser are you using? Sometimes, using a different web browser can change things here and there. If using a different web browser doesn't help, chances are that this has to do with oddly designed web controls, something you should alert the bank about.
Regarding scripting: yes, it is possible to script NVDA via Python programming language. There has been discussion regarding how to do this for websites, but no progress on that front yet.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:20 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Scripting?

Hi, Everyone.
I'm Dani from HI, and I'm new to NVDA. I'm running the latest build of the screen reader, and have tried it with my bank's website (American Savings). I can get as far as the page that lets you download statements, then it's a no-go. There's a graphic to let the user pick the range of dates for the statements he wants to download, and NVDA doesn't see the picker. (BTW, neither does JFW, which is my other go-to screen reader.)

Does NVDA support the building of and use of scripts? My husband thinks it might be a java thing that's happening behind the scenes.
Ideas?

Thanks,
Dani


Re: NVDA and Scripting?

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Well maybe, or maybe not. I would say if its no good in Jaws latest version then the bank need to get it sorted. if you have a smart phone you might try that, but if this is the state of their accessibility, I would not hold my breath. Are there any local laws you can quote at your bank, or threaten to move your business elsewhere?

I think its fine if its just a little problem but if the main screenreader in the world has issues, it says to me, nobody hast tested this.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Scripting?


Hi, Everyone.
I'm Dani from HI, and I'm new to NVDA. I'm running the latest build of
the screen reader, and have tried it with my bank's website (American
Savings). I can get as far as the page that lets you download
statements, then it's a no-go. There's a graphic to let the user pick
the range of dates for the statements he wants to download, and NVDA
doesn't see the picker. (BTW, neither does JFW, which is my other
go-to screen reader.)

Does NVDA support the building of and use of scripts? My husband
thinks it might be a java thing that's happening behind the scenes.
Ideas?

Thanks,
Dani


Re: Captchas Revisited

Gene
 

What is the point of boycotting something if doing so will have no effect?  I don't think site owners are shaking in their shoes about the prospect of three or five or ten blind people not using it.  If the site provides a service I want and a more accessible site isn't available, does it make sense to cut off your nose to spite your face? 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Captchas Revisited

No just shoot the person who put it on the site.
 I think many now use be my eyes of a smart phone but that is totally
unacceptable. vote with your keyboard or grill them.
 Brian

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From: "E.T. via Groups.Io" <ancient.aliens@...>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 12:50 AM
Subject: [nvda] Captchas Revisited


>    I am not wanting to create a new flood on this one. (smiles) I could
> not keep up with the last thread on this topic so I may have missed any
> discussion about the object captchas (pictures) in particular.
>
>    Is there a way to solve this type of captchas? Usually I can get around
> captchas by contacting someone by email. But in one case, I must solve the
> captcha in order to contact support.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>    Ancient.Aliens@...
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
>
>




Re: Index of /tts

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Well the page appears to be just an index of files on somebody's system. It says that some are mere recordings, and as none of the downloads are signed I did not try them. It does not specify Eloquence, but I suspect one of two things. Eloquence is available officially and is still charged for, so any hack here is probably illegal and unsupported or worse. The only grey area is a sappi4 synth called Via Voice which sounds like Eloquence but being Sappi 4 is no longer supported and has some very strange and bad habits if you use it on modern computers, such as not always saying one letter at a time when cursoring and ignoring certain punctuation.
So really I suggest this web sites contents is worth every penny you spend on it, ie nothing. But beware, do not just try them, , they could be infected. I once downloaded a Christmas carol cd and found a nasty Trojan inside it, so the season of goodwill is not safe either.
Brian

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From: "Michael Munn " <michaelrbms@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] Index of /tts



http://www.grossgang.com/tts/
Hi all, This is the proper link that I mentioned before.
Please tell me if the link is safe or not.
This is where I got the Eloquence TTS from.
Thanks I really appreciate it.
Best Regards
michael Munn


Re: How can I hel to improve synthesizers

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

There's a way to remove those punctuation pauses, or shorten them. You have to edit a .ini file to do so. I'll have to try and find it and refresh my memory. Unfortunately you have to do it repeatedly as Windows updates keep putting it back to its former state.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: October 3, 2018 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I hel to improve synthesizers

Hi there,
There is actually more chance of being able to improve ESpeak, as it is open-source. But you'll need a lot of expertise on the C programming language, vocal properties and phonetics, and digital audio processing.
To be honest, I can't stand OneCore because of its extreme lagginess, both before speaking and its punctuation pauses. Unfortunately, SAPI also seems to have plunged down a mountain, except, ironically, with NVDA itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 03/10/2018 12:25 PM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I recently upgraded to Windows 10 mainly to use the OneCore Voices.

But I am disappointed.

The OneCore USA voices are very good, but I am from Brazil and the
Portuguese brazillian voices are very bad.

The spelling, for example, is done with the english pronunciation of
the letters. Very weird and difficult to understand.

The intonation is far behind of Espeak and there so many words that
are pronounced the wrong way. Irritating.

So, I am forced to use eSpeak most of the time, even being tired of
all those unpleasant robotic voices and, every time I need to use the
English language, change to one of the American OneCore voices, that
sound better, have good intonation, almost no mispronunciation, even
lacking some characteristics I like in eSpeak, as the different
intonation of capital letters.

So, as I know eSpeak will probably continue to sound robotic, the
solution is to improve OneCore voices. Then, how can I do that? How to
suggest improvements and correct errors in brazillian vocabulary?

To be honest, I really do prefer eSpeak. It is far ahead of OneCore,
at least in brazillian Portuguese. If only it sounded like OneCore...







Re: NVDA and Win 10 1809

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Could this be text with ink and paper set the same?
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Win 10 1809


Hi, I got the same result from here. Kinda strange to hearing those on the background.


Robert Mendoza


On 10/3/2018 8:36 AM, Don H wrote:
NVDA seems to be running great with Win 10 1809. There is one strange thing that NVDA is voicing when entering the settings app. NVDA says
C equals Microsoft Windows O equals Microsoft Corporation L equals readman S equals washington and one more that I can't understand.s
Sighted help says there is nothing like this on the screen.
Not a game changer just a little annoying




Re: Go all, another question

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Where? Never heard of it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Munn " <michaelrbms@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 1:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] Go all, another question


Hi This is Michael Munn. I have a question about the Grossgan's website.
In Grossgan.com there are some very good speech sinthesizers that a user can use with their NVDA Screen reader. I want to know is that a safe sight to download Those oices?
I don't want to break the rule.
Pbease respond if you can.
Best Regards
Michael Munn