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Re: COLUMN AND ROW HEADINGS

Quentin Christensen
 

Excellent, I'm glad it was worthwhile!  Thanks for taking the time to let me know.

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Quentin,

 

Very timely! I use excel a lot and need row and column headings spoken. However, when I go to Outlook, this setting causes NVDA to say Subject before speaking the email subject line as it appears in the Inbox. I have just followed your advice here and I now have a spreadsheet profile attached to Excel that turns on the row and column headings and another profile called email that is attached to Outlook that has all table detection turned off. I can now switch comfortably between the two applications without the nuisance of extra unwanted verbiage!

 

I really appreciate your advice.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] COLUMN AND ROW HEADINGS

 

To go one step further with that, if you never want column and row headings reported in say Firefox, but do want them in Excel, you can use "configuration profiles" to do it.

 

1. Set NVDA up how you "normally" want it.

2. Open the program you want setup differently (eg Firefox)

3. Choose "Configuration profiles" from the NVDA menu, or press NVDA+control+p.

4. Press alt+n to create a new profile

5. Press tab to move to "Use this profile for".

6. Press the right arrow to select the "Current application (Firefox)" radio button.

7. Press enter to create the profile (the name that we left blank between steps 4 and 5 is automatically filled in with the program name - Firefox in this case).

8. In Firefox, make any changes, such as turning off reporting of row and column headers.

 

Now that the profile is setup, any changes you make to most NVDA settings while that program is the active window, are saved to its profile (eg, changing keyboard echo, the speech rate, punctuation or even synthesizer).

 

(as always, for more useful tips like this, check out "Basic Training for NVDA" in eBook, audio or Braille from http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/)

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Heaven Botma <heaven@training-innovationfortheblind.org> wrote:

Hi List

 

This is just a bit of information for those who don’t know.

 

When one reads information on Wikipedia, NVDA repeats the row and column headers by default.  This can be annoying when trying to read tables of information in browse mode, therefore, use the following steps to switch off row and column headings in NVDA:

 

  • Press NVDA+Ctrl+D to go to the “Document and Formatting” dialog. (NVDA key = Insert, numpad 0 or Capslock depending on the setting)
  • Press Alt+E twice to go to “row and Column headings”.
  • Press the Spacebar to check or uncheck the checkbox.
  • Enter to apply this setting.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Heaven Botma

Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder

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T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835

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Re: Softwares to compose music for the blind

Jackie
 

Well, there's always ABC, about which you can find out more here:
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/doc/ABCtut.html

On 9/13/18, Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> wrote:
Hi,

Dancing Dots has afaIk. OCR for scores, too:
http://www.dancingdots.com/main/index.htm
I suppose the software to scan scores also is able to scan PDF.

Yours sincerely

Arno

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 15:33 schrieb Giles Turnbull
<giles.turnbull@gmail.com>:

I have a sort-of similar question. I used to play piano in my sighted
days but mever memorised any of the music, prefering to read the
score as I played. Now I can't read a score I can't remember much of
those pieces.

I have PDF scores of a lot of piano music and wonder if there is any
way that something like Muse Score could open a PDF and I could
somehow figure out what notes are where? I'm thinking of chords with
three or more notes across both hands, my ear being unable to figure
them out by listening to a recording.

I'd love a means of converting a PDF or a midi file into a text from
which I can determine the notes ... the durations are less important
for me since I can remember how the pieces sound.

It's funny, I just asked a sighted friend for help with three notes
in Chopin's first ballade which I was struggling to remember just
this morning!

Thanks for any ideas (and no, I never learned to read Braille music)

Giles





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Re: itunes latest issue

Lino Morales
 

Good. I was gong to say that at least I could wait it out if NVDA 2018.3 was delayed for a bit. Glatd we’ll have an RC3. Yaye!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 7:37:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue
 
Hi all,
Good news: iTunes bug should be no more with NVDA 2018.3 RC3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: joseph.lee22590@... <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:24 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] itunes latest issue

Hi,
For anyone experiencing this, take a look at the following GitHub issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8744

In answer to someone's query regarding the fix mentioned making its way t 2018.3: highly unlikely. If history is any indication, working through UIA controls will require extensive testing.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

<grin>

Have any of the devs looked at the itunes 12.9 window and see exactly what it is, the universal app and the desktop versions appear to be the same, menus and the like work, the main window is not visible to nvda.

And since it works with just about everything, I am now wandering if its a simple thing.

I can't fix it, but maybe there could be an addon for itunes universal and that would work with both versions.

This knee jerk about apple being totally crap well it is a knee jerk reaction, but to be honest if its just an communication/ interaction issue maybe this will help with access to other windows.



On 9/14/2018 1:59 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
> NO that does not suck thats wok for the devs.
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Joseph Weakland
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:04 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue
>
> that sucks:(
>
>
> On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible
>> with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda
>> just treats it as a blank link.
>>
>> After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda
>> issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I
>> would be going to eventually buy an i device.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>







Re: itunes latest issue

 

Hi all,
Good news: iTunes bug should be no more with NVDA 2018.3 RC3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:24 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] itunes latest issue

Hi,
For anyone experiencing this, take a look at the following GitHub issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8744

In answer to someone's query regarding the fix mentioned making its way t 2018.3: highly unlikely. If history is any indication, working through UIA controls will require extensive testing.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

<grin>

Have any of the devs looked at the itunes 12.9 window and see exactly what it is, the universal app and the desktop versions appear to be the same, menus and the like work, the main window is not visible to nvda.

And since it works with just about everything, I am now wandering if its a simple thing.

I can't fix it, but maybe there could be an addon for itunes universal and that would work with both versions.

This knee jerk about apple being totally crap well it is a knee jerk reaction, but to be honest if its just an communication/ interaction issue maybe this will help with access to other windows.



On 9/14/2018 1:59 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
NO that does not suck thats wok for the devs.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Joseph Weakland
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible
with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda
just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda
issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I
would be going to eventually buy an i device.






Re: Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

Kwork
 

LOL, not without waiting a year for the whole document to load, and that's with the preference in the reading settings changed to load entire document. What Adobe takes five minutes to do, QRead does in about ten seconds if that particular pdf is supported.

Travis

On 9/13/2018 4:02 PM, Mike Sedmak wrote:
Can you get it to work on documents that are 100's of pages? That's
where I found qread to be much better for searching.


Thanks,
Mike

On 9/13/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
That's a screen-reader command, but yes, that should work more nicely.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: September 13, 2018 5:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

Insert+ctrl+f works in Adobe.
At 01:54 PM 9/13/2018, you wrote:
The Adobe Acrobat find feature is weird and doesn't quite work nicely
with screen-readers in my experience.

You should have both Adobe and qRead on your system if you want, imo.
I like qRead mostly because it is fast as hell. If you set Adobe to
load the entire document, which is wise if you really want proper
functionality to work, but then try to open a really large file, you've
no doubt noticed how irritatingly long it takes to process.
qRead can do this in just a few seconds. So I like how small and snappy
it is by comparison.

However, sometimes you will just need the Adobe product instead.
qRead doesn't always seem to show document formatting properly. You
can't print from it if I remember right, and anyway, if formatting is
wanky, you wouldn't want to. You can't fill out forms. Etc, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Sedmak
Sent: September 13, 2018 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

I find that search works in qread but have trouble searching for text
in acrobat reader.

On 9/13/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that QRead is specifically designed for the blind, but are
there any advantages it has in reading PDFs that make it
significantly better than Adobe Acrobat with NVDA?











Re: Softwares to compose music for the blind

Arno Schuh
 

Hi,

Dancing Dots has afaIk. OCR for scores, too:
http://www.dancingdots.com/main/index.htm
I suppose the software to scan scores also is able to scan PDF.

Yours sincerely

Arno

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 15:33 schrieb Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com>:

I have a sort-of similar question. I used to play piano in my sighted
days but mever memorised any of the music, prefering to read the
score as I played. Now I can't read a score I can't remember much of
those pieces.

I have PDF scores of a lot of piano music and wonder if there is any
way that something like Muse Score could open a PDF and I could
somehow figure out what notes are where? I'm thinking of chords with
three or more notes across both hands, my ear being unable to figure
them out by listening to a recording.

I'd love a means of converting a PDF or a midi file into a text from
which I can determine the notes ... the durations are less important
for me since I can remember how the pieces sound.

It's funny, I just asked a sighted friend for help with three notes
in Chopin's first ballade which I was struggling to remember just
this morning!

Thanks for any ideas (and no, I never learned to read Braille music)

Giles


Re: Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

Mike Sedmak
 

Can you get it to work on documents that are 100's of pages? That's
where I found qread to be much better for searching.


Thanks,
Mike

On 9/13/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
That's a screen-reader command, but yes, that should work more nicely.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: September 13, 2018 5:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

Insert+ctrl+f works in Adobe.
At 01:54 PM 9/13/2018, you wrote:
The Adobe Acrobat find feature is weird and doesn't quite work nicely
with screen-readers in my experience.

You should have both Adobe and qRead on your system if you want, imo.
I like qRead mostly because it is fast as hell. If you set Adobe to
load the entire document, which is wise if you really want proper
functionality to work, but then try to open a really large file, you've
no doubt noticed how irritatingly long it takes to process.
qRead can do this in just a few seconds. So I like how small and snappy
it is by comparison.

However, sometimes you will just need the Adobe product instead.
qRead doesn't always seem to show document formatting properly. You
can't print from it if I remember right, and anyway, if formatting is
wanky, you wouldn't want to. You can't fill out forms. Etc, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Sedmak
Sent: September 13, 2018 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

I find that search works in qread but have trouble searching for text
in acrobat reader.

On 9/13/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that QRead is specifically designed for the blind, but are
there any advantages it has in reading PDFs that make it
significantly better than Adobe Acrobat with NVDA?













Re: google domains configuration web site seems inaccessible

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

I'd say more and more Google pages are becoming less accessible. On the topic of the question, namesilo.com is a registrar I've used without any problem for about a year and a half now.

    I believe you have 60 days to wait until you can transfer a domain, but I'd suggest waiting the 60 days, then transferring to NameSilo.


On 9/13/2018 8:40 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
It sure seems like more and more pages are becoming less accessible.
Seems like we are losing ground in the area of accessibility in this regard.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rusty Perez
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:31 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] google domains configuration web site seems unaccessible

Hi folks,
I am trying to configure my web domain on google domains but while using NVDA and Firefox, when I go to domains.google.com and log in, the tabs appear, but when I navigate, for example, to the configure dns tab and press enter, or nvda/numEnter the options which are supposed to appear don't seem to be available to me with NVDA. I have not confirmed that they do appear on the screen, all I know is that I cannot get to them using my conventional methods, arrows or tab.

Any thoughts?

Rusty





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Re: Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

That's a screen-reader command, but yes, that should work more nicely.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: September 13, 2018 5:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

Insert+ctrl+f works in Adobe.
At 01:54 PM 9/13/2018, you wrote:
The Adobe Acrobat find feature is weird and doesn't quite work nicely
with screen-readers in my experience.

You should have both Adobe and qRead on your system if you want, imo.
I like qRead mostly because it is fast as hell. If you set Adobe to
load the entire document, which is wise if you really want proper
functionality to work, but then try to open a really large file, you've
no doubt noticed how irritatingly long it takes to process.
qRead can do this in just a few seconds. So I like how small and snappy
it is by comparison.

However, sometimes you will just need the Adobe product instead.
qRead doesn't always seem to show document formatting properly. You
can't print from it if I remember right, and anyway, if formatting is
wanky, you wouldn't want to. You can't fill out forms. Etc, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Sedmak
Sent: September 13, 2018 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

I find that search works in qread but have trouble searching for text
in acrobat reader.

On 9/13/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that QRead is specifically designed for the blind, but are
there any advantages it has in reading PDFs that make it
significantly better than Adobe Acrobat with NVDA?







Re: Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

Ann Byrne
 

Insert+ctrl+f works in Adobe.

At 01:54 PM 9/13/2018, you wrote:
The Adobe Acrobat find feature is weird and doesn't quite work nicely with screen-readers in my experience.

You should have both Adobe and qRead on your system if you want, imo.
I like qRead mostly because it is fast as hell. If you set Adobe to load the entire document, which is wise if you really want proper functionality to work, but then try to open a really large file, you've no doubt noticed how irritatingly long it takes to process. qRead can do this in just a few seconds. So I like how small and snappy it is by comparison.

However, sometimes you will just need the Adobe product instead. qRead doesn't always seem to show document formatting properly. You can't print from it if I remember right, and anyway, if formatting is wanky, you wouldn't want to. You can't fill out forms. Etc, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Sent: September 13, 2018 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

I find that search works in qread but have trouble searching for text in acrobat reader.

On 9/13/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that QRead is specifically designed for the blind, but are
there any advantages it has in reading PDFs that make it significantly
better than Adobe Acrobat with NVDA?







Re: Softwares to compose music for the blind

Jackie
 

It does have a virtual keyboard, though it's pretty hard to use that
w/any degree of precision.

On 9/13/18, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@gmail.com> wrote:
I haven't any MIDI device connected to My PC.

Can I use QWS also?




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Re: itunes latest issue

 

well you need to remove itunes 12.9 it does appear it has issues with things.

maybe you need to tell apple about this go to google search for itunes business, download that, remove itunes, delete your library*.itl files in your music folder, install itunes business, then re add all your folders back shouldn't take more than a few minutes to do that as they will be in your itunes media folder, you will have to sign in to the store and there is a button which I forgot to customise the menu for the dropdowns but then you will be fine.

It does appear that there are access issues with itunes 12.9.

On 9/14/2018 5:25 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Sean. I updated to 12.9 of iTunes and I’m having the same issues as your are. It sucks cause I listen to most of my Apple Music via iTunes on my PC and NVDA doesn’t read a thing. Narrator does, but I can’t press ent on any track to play it. It does nothing.



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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:22:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

Well they say its an nvda issue, I wouldn't mind except itunes is the
only way to update things, saying with the death of the store on
windows, unless I use it for podcasts and such on windows which I
probably won't there is almost no reason for me to ever use it except if
I need to store a full backup, and I know a program like contacts backup
will work for contacts, the rest is on icloud and the storage rates are
fair enough.

It does appear that the itunes universal and the itune pc app have the
same interface but the fact is I do wander if the itunes app was
accessible in the first place, I never needed to check.

However, while I will soldier on with this, this latest issue may push
me off of ios, not because its quite accessible but if I can't use the
windows configuration and sync software properly then if it goes pair
shaped then I have no chance at all.

On the other hand, with android the chance that my software to do things
from windows is going to be accessible is probably low to and I know
where to get apple stuff and it is only 1 single system to learn which
is probably why I will still end up using it, as long as I have an old
device, this latest issue is starting to make me think twice about
putting all my stuff in the apple environment.

I have family now with apple devices with a lot of stuff, once your
stuff is in apple its going to have to stay there and you will have to
continue to use it, and while I won't get the latest something I am
seriously thinking on my next device being with the competition.

To be honest if I didn't care for apps and as long as I have a 32 bit
unit about I can continue using symbian phones for the rest of my life
but there are so many reasons to actually get up and use apps these days.



On 9/13/2018 2:50 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I’m not so interested in being fair to Apple in this instance. Microsoft has made the office suite reasonably accessible on the Mac and even on I devices. Apple hasn’t done that well with iTunes or iCloud for that matter. As somebody who owned a Mac for years, hoping that Apple would catch up with Accessibility there and eventually I went back to windows, I’m disgusted. Far more people in this world use windows then use a Mac. I love the eye devices. Apple needs to step up his game on windows. It’s that simple.
Mary
On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:40 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

To be fair to Apple, Apple's stuff works pretty differently on Apple's
stuff, as opposed to Windows ports. I don't know if Safari under Windows
is usable, but it's usable, if pretty weird, on the mac.


On 9/12/2018 19:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Thanks for that.



On 9/13/2018 11:19 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Apple has an accessibility address

accessibility@apple.com

wher you can send email. They also have a direct phone number to the
accessibility department. But I don't know about contacting them on
this line outside the U.S., since it is a toll-free number. (877)
204–3930


On 9/12/2018 4:09 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yes it does, I was getting close to getting into apple devices, my
aunt well has this, they had issues with icloud, most of that is
fixed, I wouldn't complain but basically the entire window does not
display, on the desktop itunes, not sure about the app, not sure
about dolphin or jaws,

But a lot of us need to contact apple about this though I had a job
to even get accessibility the main support tech was almost
completely useless, I had to go through itunes billing to get a real
human the drone I had was useless, scarily enough, when I reached
apple access the person I got sounded almost but not quite like the
eva cortana voice, so who knows if that was real or not but who
knows I am sure it was <grin>


On 9/13/2018 11:04 AM, Joseph Weakland wrote:
that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible
with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully,
nvda just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an
nvda issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was
thinking I would be going to eventually buy an i device.











Re: itunes latest issue

 

Hi,
For anyone experiencing this, take a look at the following GitHub issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8744

In answer to someone's query regarding the fix mentioned making its way t 2018.3: highly unlikely. If history is any indication, working through UIA controls will require extensive testing.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

<grin>

Have any of the devs looked at the itunes 12.9 window and see exactly what it is, the universal app and the desktop versions appear to be the same, menus and the like work, the main window is not visible to nvda.

And since it works with just about everything, I am now wandering if its a simple thing.

I can't fix it, but maybe there could be an addon for itunes universal and that would work with both versions.

This knee jerk about apple being totally crap well it is a knee jerk reaction, but to be honest if its just an communication/ interaction issue maybe this will help with access to other windows.



On 9/14/2018 1:59 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
NO that does not suck thats wok for the devs.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Joseph Weakland
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible
with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda
just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda
issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I
would be going to eventually buy an i device.






Re: itunes latest issue

 

<grin>

Have any of the devs looked at the itunes 12.9 window and see exactly what it is, the universal app and the desktop versions appear to be the same, menus and the like work, the main window is not visible to nvda.

And since it works with just about everything, I am now wandering if its a simple thing.

I can't fix it, but maybe there could be an addon for itunes universal  and that would work with both versions.

This knee jerk about apple being totally crap well it is a knee jerk reaction, but to be honest if its just an communication/ interaction issue maybe this will help with access to other windows.

On 9/14/2018 1:59 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
NO that does not suck thats wok for the devs.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Joseph Weakland
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I would be going to eventually buy an i device.






Re: iTunes 12.9

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,

I can’t update.

 

I get an error that says, could not download.

 

What’s going on?

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes 12.9

 

Hi,

Unfortunately, due to changes involved, it might not make the cut to 2018.3.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes 12.9

 

Oh good. Hope its posted soon for a potential RC3.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:35:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes 12.9

 

Hi,

Yes, and someone posted a fix which is awaiting code review.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iTunes 12.9

 

Has anyone created a ticket on Github abut iTunes 12.9? Apple Support did reach out to me via Twitter, but they gave me the standard Yaba dab about contacting the 3rd party software company which is NV Access.

 

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Re: link for firefox 52 esr last version to support full webvisum

Gene
 

Also, I don't know if I would have created a new account just to see if it could still be done and if I was right.  But I'm switching everything or almost everything to a new e-mail address so it was a good time to do this.  I don't recall seeing a way to change your e-mail address for an existing account.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for firefox 52 esr last version to support full webvisum

Brian and all
 
I created a new account a few minutes ago.  I had no problems doing so.  You might not be so condescending and arrogant when a usually reliable member challenges an assertion you make.  You might discuss rather than disparage.  and that applies to anyone who challenges you, beginner, somewhat knowledgeable or very knowledgeable.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] link for firefox 52 esr last version to support full webvisum

I said what I know, based on years of seeing people ask for invitations on lists and successfully signing up.  I don't recall when I last saw such a conversation but I think it was somewhere between a year or two ago.  Sorry I had the unmitigated Gaul to disagree with your inerrancy.
 
If others agree with you, fine.  I'll take that into account and if there is good reason to do so, a number of people agreeing and no one disagreeing, or those who disagree seem to present weak reasons compared with those who agree, I shall consider that I may be wrong.  But I'm not just going to crumble into a quivering mass of doubt and concession just because you make a statement.
I'm perfectly willing to admit that I'm wrong when presented with good evidence.  Please present such evidence if there is a disagreement and I hope others present their evidence or experiences as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] link for firefox 52 esr last version to support full webvisum

Gene,

         God only knows why your general stance is to say "black" when anyone else says "white," but it's as annoying as hell.

          I got an invitation from a member here in 2016.  I went through the registration process.  That's where the process stopped.  Nothing comes back.

          If anyone, and I do mean anyone, can complete a new account registration for Webvisum there are a very great many who would love to know how to do so.  I haven't seen a single example of success in several years and know that my own, following their instructions and getting an invitation from a member, went into the great bit bucket in the sky.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Softwares to compose music for the blind

Marco Oros
 

I haven't any MIDI device connected to My PC.

Can I use QWS also?


Re: itunes issue

 

Well I am using 12.6 now thanks for that suggestion.

The issue is that apple uses the universal app system now for both the itunes things app and desktop.

I am back on itunes business, the main reason I update itunes is for the latest apple os updates, but to be honest I guess that doesn't matter, 12.65 works, had to recreate my library and the store sucks but at least I can use it now.

Itunes is a bit clunky but so is outlook, I don't mind the app now I have gotten used to it.

Once we can get the main window of the app to play with nvda nicely we will be ok.

Though to be honest I like my app deployment back again.

I do want to be able to use the latest, and to be honest apple hardware while expensive is still something I like, icloud is a bit better, storage plans are good, someone has  on twitter that ios 12 gold release is really good.

If they would get their windows ports of icloud and itunes working reasonably well well who knows.

Apple accessibility do know, and its probably a simple matter, itunes universal app is the norm, the desktop version is the desktop version but using the universal app system.

The menus and dialogs work well enough.

On 9/14/2018 12:33 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Just use a older version of iTunes, if its giving so much grief

Personally I use iTunes 12.6 for business, which still supports apps and ringtonesand doesn’t update or ask you to all the time


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 13 September 2018 12:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] itunes issue

Hi.

well just tried versions of nvda 2017, 2016 2015, 2014 and 2012, same
issues so no help there I also tried 2018.3rc1 here and no joy.

In addition my speech went away and I had to doddle in narator in nvda
preffs to get it back, but the trying a different version path doesn't
work, its probably got to do with the fact that itunes is an app just
like all the other apps.









Re: iTunes 12.9

 

Hi,

Unfortunately, due to changes involved, it might not make the cut to 2018.3.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes 12.9

 

Oh good. Hope its posted soon for a potential RC3.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:35:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes 12.9

 

Hi,

Yes, and someone posted a fix which is awaiting code review.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iTunes 12.9

 

Has anyone created a ticket on Github abut iTunes 12.9? Apple Support did reach out to me via Twitter, but they gave me the standard Yaba dab about contacting the 3rd party software company which is NV Access.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: RC2?

 

Hi,
This one resolves NVDA shortcut key problem for German users.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:48 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] RC2?

I see there is now an RC 2. what has been changed?
Brian

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