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Re: thunderbird just broke!

Gene
 

You could, but that is a good deal of work. Try running the registry fix tool. If you need information, I'll check how you get to and run it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird just broke!

Hi, Roger,


Youcould try unstalling thunderbird and then reinstall it. Hopefully
that will fix theproblem.


Rosemarie



On 7/8/2020 11:42 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird. It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages. I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this. I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal? It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part. Hope someone can help.


Roger





Re: Crashes in Word and Outlook

Josh Miele
 

Folks:

I really appreciate the suggestions everyone offered on this. I did send a log file of the issue to info@... and did not get a response back from them. In the mean time, I have been trying a number of other possibilities to stabilize NVDA with Outlook and Word, and I think I have isolated the problem: when I set braille to None, the issue goes away! Unfortunately, I need braille to be productive. Can anyone suggest additional things to check for in the braille chain that could lead to the instability that I described? I'm using a Focus 40 Gen5 sometimes with USB and sometimes with BT. Many thanks in advance for your insights!

--JAM


Re: thunderbird just broke!

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 04:32 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
but it just seems to have fixed itself just the way it messed up!
"The mystical burp" followed by another "mystical reversing burp."  They occur, in various forms, way more often than some would like to believe.  I'm just thankful when they do, and then hope the burp/reversing burp don't turn into a repeating cycle.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: thunderbird just broke!

Kevin Cussick
 

not sure on this one really. but try running the com registration tool in Nvda. it might fix or it might not sorry out of ideas.

On 08/07/2020 19:42, Roger Stewart wrote:
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird.  It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages.  I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this.  I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal?  It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part.  Hope someone can help.
Roger


Re: thunderbird just broke!

Roger Stewart
 

Well, I don't know what fixed it, but it just seems to have fixed itself just the way it messed up! Just spontaneously it'[s working great again. When it was happening, both Firefox and Edge were also affected in this same way but they are all working again.

Roger

On 7/8/2020 3:05 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
I just experienced this with someone on Windows 7 and Thunderbird earlier today. Running the com registration fixing tool took care of it.
I had just run it on that system earlier in the day--it seems to be needed quite often on that Win 7 system--but it did fix it.

Not sure why that didn't help for you, but may i suggest you try again and then restart windows?

Luke


Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Gene nz,

               

This is really valuable stuff! All the software is up to date so your last method looks best.

 

Ill run the COM Registration Fixing tool first as that looks the least complicated and may not need sighted help.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

 

Hi

 

You might need some sighted help to do the following.

 

This is off my website and it may depend on the version you are using of nvda.

 

One part is for the older nvda and one for the newer nvda do not enter those details only the lines below each one.

 

Do you know the nvda version?

 

The very last part was for the run com tool but if you have done that and rebooted and it is still playing up look for your version number of nvda.

 

The later one has fixed it also on later versions of windows .

 

hope it helps

 

Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command/s:
Old NVDA, Pre 2019.3
import comtypes,ctypes;p=comtypes.typeinfo.LoadTypeLibEx(r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll");ctypes.windll.oleaut32.RegisterTypeLib(p,ur"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll", None)
Current NVDA 2019.3 onward
import comtypes,ctypes;p=comtypes.typeinfo.LoadTypeLibEx(r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll");ctypes.windll.oleaut32.RegisterTypeLib(p,r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll", None)

This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key.  It should register the files needed by NVDA.

 

 

Gene nz

 

On 8/07/2020 9:40 am, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,

 

Just as in 2018 under issue #33784  NVDA says unknown instead of reading any content in Firefox and Chrome. It does work in Edge. All latest version of windows 10, Firefox, Google Chrome, Easy keys, and NVDA 2020.1.

 

The earlier issue seemed to relate to a windows update but I dont think there was an update in this case today.

 

Can anyone point to a solution? This problem began only about one week ago.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: thunderbird just broke!

Luke Davis
 

I just experienced this with someone on Windows 7 and Thunderbird earlier today. Running the com registration fixing tool took care of it.
I had just run it on that system earlier in the day--it seems to be needed quite often on that Win 7 system--but it did fix it.

Not sure why that didn't help for you, but may i suggest you try again and then restart windows?

Luke


Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Carlos,

 

Thanks for the response!

 

Yes, I see that windows update has kicked off a problem like this in the past. So, Ill try out the advice on fixing the com registration and see how that goes. Failing that, I could back windows to a version prior to the latest update.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of CARLOS-ESTEBAN
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

 

Hello.

Is possible that the Com Registration Fixing Tool work good.

But in the last versions of Windows 10, in somme cases, this tool work but NVDA says unknown, not read in the browser and other programs, and the user need restore Windows to default.

Regards.


Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el

uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.

 

 

El mar., 7 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 17:02, Sean (s.tolstoyevski@...) escribió:

Try Run COM Registration Fixing tool...

On 08/07/2020 00:40, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,

 

Just as in 2018 under issue #33784  NVDA says “unknown instead of reading any content in Firefox and Chrome. It does work in Edge. All latest version of windows 10, Firefox, Google Chrome, Easy keys, and NVDA 2020.1.

 

The earlier issue seemed to relate to a windows update but I don’t think there was an update in this case today.

 

Can anyone point to a solution? This problem began only about one week ago.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

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Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Shaun,

 

Thanks, for the reply! Ill have a go at that. I see that Gene NZ has posted a step by step guide on how to do that. Lets hope that fixes it!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

 

Try Run COM Registration Fixing tool...

On 08/07/2020 00:40, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,

 

Just as in 2018 under issue #33784  NVDA says unknown instead of reading any content in Firefox and Chrome. It does work in Edge. All latest version of windows 10, Firefox, Google Chrome, Easy keys, and NVDA 2020.1.

 

The earlier issue seemed to relate to a windows update but I dont think there was an update in this case today.

 

Can anyone point to a solution? This problem began only about one week ago.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

--

Sean

👨🦯 I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian,

 

Thanks, yes, thats my first step. Thanks for the response its much appreciated.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

 

Cearbhall,

           Have you tried restarting NVDA with all add-ons disabled and seeing if the issue persists?   If not, try that.  If the issue stops, then use Add-Ons Manager to disable (but not remove) all of your add-ons and then re-enable them one by one until the issue recurs.

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: thunderbird just broke!

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Is it only in mozilla thunder bird or do you have fire fox as well.


Does it happen in other browsers? or down near the running applications area in windows? Does the applications key work?



If it was only in fire fox and thunder bird I did have a problem like that a while back.




It ended up been a corrupt ini file in either fire fox or thunder bird that caused it.


A uninstall the usual way did not fix it so you had to go into the %appdata% section to do it.


Then reinstall the program.


See what others say first.


Gene nz

On 9/07/2020 6:42 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird.  It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages.  I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this.  I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal?  It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part.  Hope someone can help.


Roger




thunderbird just broke!

Roger Stewart
 

I've just tried running Narrator, and it reads Thunderbird proberly.  I've also found that this problem exists in Firefox now as well.  I did try running the com registry tool and that didn't help at all.

Roger


Re: thunderbird just broke!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Roger,


Youcould try unstalling thunderbird and then reinstall it. Hopefully that will fix theproblem.


Rosemarie

On 7/8/2020 11:42 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird.  It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages.  I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this.  I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal?  It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part.  Hope someone can help.


Roger




thunderbird just broke!

Roger Stewart
 

Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird.  It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages.  I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this.  I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal?  It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part.  Hope someone can help.


Roger


Re: Read-all problem with a website

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
but he likely doesn't use speech as his primary means of information gathering like we do.
Certainly not for computer access, anyway!!

I have corresponded with Giles off-list, but what I'm about to say is from my side, and not private.  I am often astounded at the speech rates from synthesized speech that's comprehensible to many blind users of screen readers.  I've had a number of clients where I cannot understand a blessed thing that's being said at the rate they're comfortable listening at, and fully comprehending what they're hearing.

But when your primary sense mechanism for computer presented information is audition, you're bound to get much, much better with that.  It reminds me (age alert here) of when I used to see women in transcription pools sitting at their typewriters with their Dictaphone headsets on.   Many (most, probably) had typing rates at or above 100 words per minute, and would listen to the dictated content they were transcribing at just about that rate when doing so.  I could no sooner do either of those things, listening or typing at that rate, than fly to the moon under the power of my own arms!
 
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Re: Read-all problem with a website

Jackie
 

Giles, Brian V is a sighted adaptive technologist. He's very good at
what he does, & he is incredibly helpful to us on so many levels, but
he likely doesn't use speech as his primary means of information
gathering like we do.

On 7/8/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:23 PM, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:


chrome://flags
This page, the flags page, is available in all Chromium-based browsers I've
tried so far.  What's even more interesting is if you paste this address in
on new Edge or on Brave it will automatically convert the "chrome:" portion
to the correct specifier for the browser in question.

Under Brave, it's got straight enable reader mode like Chrome does.

Edge has two separate bits related to what the call immersive reader.

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platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

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Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019



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Re: Read-all problem with a website

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:23 PM, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:
chrome://flags
This page, the flags page, is available in all Chromium-based browsers I've tried so far.  What's even more interesting is if you paste this address in on new Edge or on Brave it will automatically convert the "chrome:" portion to the correct specifier for the browser in question.

Under Brave, it's got straight enable reader mode like Chrome does.

Edge has two separate bits related to what the call immersive reader.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Read-all problem with a website

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Sorry for not say how use the reader mode.
When the reader mode is enabled, you can press f6. Here, press tab two times and press the button enable reader mode (or similar name, I have all in spanish).
Regards.

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El mié., 8 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 12:22, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías (carlosestebanpianista@...) escribió:
Hello.
The solution is the reader mode of the browser.
In chrome, go to the page chrome://flags. In edit box search write reader mode. In the option reader mode, select enabled in the combo box and press the button relaunch.
Regards.

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El mié., 8 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 11:53, Joseph Lee (joseph.lee22590@...) escribió:
Hi,
Report dynamic content changes setting is most effective in terminals, but
that's about to change to include web applications (not in a distant
future).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

> personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker
> box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web
> design speak) at the

They used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element.

Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few
ways to implement them.
I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report
dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this.

Luke








Re: Read-all problem with a website

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hello.
The solution is the reader mode of the browser.
In chrome, go to the page chrome://flags. In edit box search write reader mode. In the option reader mode, select enabled in the combo box and press the button relaunch.
Regards.

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El mié., 8 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 11:53, Joseph Lee (joseph.lee22590@...) escribió:
Hi,
Report dynamic content changes setting is most effective in terminals, but
that's about to change to include web applications (not in a distant
future).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

> personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker
> box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web
> design speak) at the

They used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element.

Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few
ways to implement them.
I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report
dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this.

Luke








Re: Read-all problem with a website

 

Hi,
Report dynamic content changes setting is most effective in terminals, but
that's about to change to include web applications (not in a distant
future).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker
box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web
design speak) at the
They used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element.

Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few
ways to implement them.
I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report
dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this.

Luke