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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Gerardo Corripio
 

I'm trying Firefox ESR and it flies! because as you guys, I'm tired of Firefox's regular browser: I was trying to update it to the latest version a little while ago, and it kept saying that it couldn't find an entry point etc etc, thus I uninstalled it and am trying with Firefox ESR, but I don't hear any sounds when a file is downloaded. Are there any AddOns one can install for this?


El 29/06/2018 a las 01:08 p.m., Lino Morales escribió:

So do I. For now its making browsing much faster. Of course I’ll continue to use Edge for some things, but I’m so used to the FF layout.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:43:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 

Hi, Lino,

 

I use waterfox and it works great for me. It's a bit faster than firefox and I like that.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

 

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I

with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


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Re: Lots Of NVDA Freezes

Jim Homme
 

Hi,
So far, I now can predict that if I type fast enough in the Windows search box, NVDA will freeze. The same thing happens on long web pages or ones with lots of scripting. Finally, when it freezes, I can never find the log file.

Finally, and I do not know if this is related, NVDA is very sluggish in Word docs with lots of tables. In General, in Word, it has always been more sluggish than my other screen reader.

If I disable all add-ons, I get less freezing.

Jim
Jim



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lots Of NVDA Freezes

Your event viewer is under Administrative Tools' in Control Panel. I'd be looking at both systems & applications events.

On 6/21/18, Jim Homme <jhomme@benderconsult.com> wrote:
Hi Jackie,

If you can point me to instructions, I would be very grateful. I’d be
glad to take it from there.



Thanks.



Jim




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ology-solutions People with disabilities, access job openings at
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Jackie
<abletec@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:33:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lots Of NVDA Freezes

Jim, I'm running Win 10 & latest NVDA & not experiencing those sorts
of problems. It'd be interesting to see if your event logs contain
anything notable, ie, I'm wondering if this could possibly be
hardware-related.

On 6/21/18, Jim Homme <jhomme@benderconsult.com> wrote:
Hi,
As far as I can figure out, I’m having so many freezes with NVDA
since Windows 10 was updated, NVDA went to 2018.2.1, or both, that I
can’t reliably use NVDA. As far as I can tell, NVEA is not crashing,
because I am looking for the old log file by using Windows+R, then
typing temp and looking for it in that folder. I have debug turned on
for the log. When NVDA freezes, it seems that the keyboard freezes. I
have been trying to run either JAWS or Narrator, then passing the
NVDA+F1 key stroke to get at the existing log, because I’m assuming
that NVDA is still running, since I have not found the old log
hanging around. I could really use some advise diagnosing this issue,
so that I can either add to a GitHub issue some useful information or
make a new one.

Thanks so much for letting me rant.

Jim



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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Jackie
 

I don't think that concluding there's an interaction w/accessibility
technology in terms of FF's slowness is necessarily valid. My own
tendency is to feel that there may be something like vendorware (yall
know--the crap vendors load onto their machines) or malware (perhaps
vendorware & malware are 1 & the same)--might be responsible. In terms
of not running any addons, you should really check, because sometimes
Office, etc, installs addons you may not even be aware of unless you
go in & look. Mostly just thinkin out loud on a Friday, & that's
always dangerous for me.

On 6/29/18, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
So do I. For now its making browsing much faster. Of course I’ll continue to
use Edge for some things, but I’m so used to the FF layout.

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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Rosemarie
Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:43:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

Hi, Lino,

I use waterfox and it works great for me. It's a bit faster than firefox and
I like that.

Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the
bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti
FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good
buddies.

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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Lino Morales
 

So do I. For now its making browsing much faster. Of course I’ll continue to use Edge for some things, but I’m so used to the FF layout.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:43:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 

Hi, Lino,

 

I use waterfox and it works great for me. It's a bit faster than firefox and I like that.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

 

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I

with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: I've had it with Firefox

Lino Morales
 

Jackie. I wasn’t running any add-ons with Firefox. Heck I don’t even run Adobe Flash V 30 the non IE cause I don’t need it anymore for sites like MLB’s gameday audio since now they use an HTML 5 player.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Jackie <abletec@...>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:18:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
Makes me wonder whether or not certain FF addons are causing problems.
Might those who are having problems try going into FF w/safe mode on,
ie, instead of pressing enter on the desktop shortcut press
shift-enter & see if it makes any difference?

Having said that, I'm having some sort of difficulty which, when I
have a few FF windows open, the computer sometimes just restarts. I'm
not seeing anything in the logs that's helpful. I'm gonna have to look
further. Torques me off, cuz I've got lots of stuff going on right
now.

On 6/28/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> It will be interesting to see what happens over time.  Recently, I saw one
> or two articles from sighted reviewers, saying that Firefox is back and its
> redesign makes it competetive with Chrome again.  So those who don't use it
> now might want to try new versions over time to see if the accessibility
> problems, which are causing slowness, are resolved.  For sighted users,
> according to what I've read, Firefox is very fast now.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Jaffar Sidek
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:28 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>
>
> One thing I can't stand with latest FF is that there is a lag when I type
> words as I fill in a search box or fill up a form.  Happens with both Jaws
> and NVDA.  Cheers!
>
>
>
>
> On 29/6/2018 6:19 AM, David Moore wrote:
>
>   Wow, Guys!
>
>   I am using a little netbook, an HP Stream, and I only have a 2 Ghz
> processor, 2 gigs of ram, and I am using Chrome with the latest Windows 10,
> and Chrome
>
>   Flies!
>
>   It takes a second to open, and 2 seconds to open a large page!
>
>   Maybe you should switch to Chrome.
>
>   With Firefox Quantum, It is as slow as a snail on a much more powerful
> laptop I have!
>
>   Just letting you know!
>
>   David Moore
>
>   Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
>   From: Sarah k Alawami
>   Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 4:41 PM
>   To: nvda list list
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>
>
>
>   32   gigs of ram, 4 ghz graphics card and a6 ghz processer. Windows 10 64
> bit and  the latest firefox quantum.
>
>
>
>   > On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:45 PM, bob jutzi <jutzi1@...> wrote:
>
>   >
>
>   > How much memory do you have in your system?  I'm running a 3.7ghz Core
> i3, total of 12MB available, and Windows 10 64.  Othre than a little lag
> when loading a page into Browse Mode, no new issues with V60 of Firefox.
> One annoying issue I've always had with FF is some sites, such as
> Pizzahut.com require setting Page Styles to None in order for all links to
> be recognized by NVDA.  There may be workarounds for this, just not aware of
> them.  I still prefer the Fox over Edge or Internet Exploder.
>
>   >
>
>   > On 6/28/2018 3:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>
>   >> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah
> firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.
>
>   >>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>
>   >>>
>
>   >>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on
> an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
>
>   >>> Sent fromMail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for
> Windows 10
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> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami
> <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
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>   >>> *Sent:*Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
>
>   >>> *To:*nvda list list
>
>   >>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>
>   >>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and
> chrome.
>
>   >>>
>
>   >>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>
>   >>>>
>
>   >>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
>
>   >>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I
> bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll
> wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge
> are good buddies.
>
>   >>>> Sent fromMail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for
> Windows 10
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Re: AddOns wno't update with latest NVDA what's the process?

 

Hi,
These add-ons do not support add-on update facility, as there is no regular snapshots for them.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] AddOns wno't update with latest NVDA what's the process?

I'm running NVDA's latest, with supposedly the latest AddOns; I can't get the GoldWave or Resource Monitor to update themselves, like they say it should be. What's the process for this to happen? I closed and restarted NVDA, but no dialogue about updates to newer Addons or nothing. Thanks for info.

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AddOns wno't update with latest NVDA what's the process?

Gerardo Corripio
 

I'm running NVDA's latest, with supposedly the latest AddOns; I can't get the GoldWave or Resource Monitor to update themselves, like they say it should be. What's the process for this to happen? I closed and restarted NVDA, but no dialogue about updates to newer Addons or nothing. Thanks for info.

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GoldWave and Resource Monitor 18.07 released #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

GoldWave and Resource Monitor 18.07 are now available:

 

 

GoldWave add-on fixes an issue where leading zeroes were not included when obtaining remaining time for a track. Resource Monitor drops support for Windows Vista, Server 2003 and 2008. Both add-ons do include updated localizations.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Reminder to Always Check Latest Version Before Reporting Problems

Richard Wells
 

I wanted to remind all of us, myself first and foremost to always check for the latest revision of add-ons before reporting problems. Let me give you an example.


I used one of my favorite add-ons: Clip Contents Designer for the first time after upgrading to NVDA 2018.2.1. It starting saying numbers instead of performing requested actions. I was just about to report a problem when I decided to make sure I was running the latest revision of Clip Contents Designer. Sure enough, I was running 1.0 instead of 8.0. As soon as I remedied that, life was good again.


If I, as a quality assurance specialist with more than 14 years experience can make this error in judgment, I believe this to be worth reminding myself again by writing it down and posting it here for all of us to help avoid chasing shadows when they may not be real problems.


Also, I want to express my appreciation to all of you who are smart enough to write these add-ons to increase our productivity out here. To the authors of Clip Contents Designer, I am a life-long member of your fan club!


Re: I've had it with Firefox

Gene
 

MSSE is, for all practical purposes, the same program as the Windows 10 version of Windows Defender.  There is an earlier version of Windows Defender but that's a different program. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

Hi Gene,


Does this include the Windows 7 versions?  I know that I am using Windows Defender on Windows 10 and that is rated somewhat higher than MSEE was.  Is this what you mean or is this higher rating applying to older versions as well.  The individual himself said he was using Windows 7.



On 6/29/2018 8:52 AM, Gene wrote:
See recent reviews.  MSSE is much better rated and thought of than a year or two ago.  While not considered as good protection as many programs, it is now considered acceptable by two or three reputable reviews I've read.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

MSEE is poorly rated!



On 6/29/2018 1:51 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> To be honest waterfox uses the old code, even if the new engine
> actually eventually stops sucking and being crap I don't know if I
> would want to switch over to it, it was why I abandond a lot of my
> antivirus programs and went to msse.
>
> The interfaces work, the engines work, now how good they are for
> security could be debatible but usibility wize they work, and thats
> all I care about I don't care abut much else.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2018 4:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>> Hi, Lino,
>>
>>
>> I use waterfox and it works great for me. It's a bit faster than
>> firefox and
>> I like that.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
>> Morales
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:47 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>
>>
>> Well like I said in my subject line I've had I
>>
>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I
>> bit the
>> bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I'll
>> wait ti
>> FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge
>> are good
>> buddies.
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for
>> Windows
>> 10
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Dropbox saga again

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well I just installed the demo of Jaws and that cannot read the dropbox preferences etc either.
So where does this leave me? Well no idea if its windows or dropbox, but as others can read it, has to be one or the other. I guess i can try reinstalling Dropbox, but if there is a winndows issue, maybe somebody intimate with accessibility apis can suggest which bit of windows might have been screwed that would make it only not read dropbox menus, oh and version 50 of Dropbox is the same as well.

My main finger to point was having to remove Avast from the machines affected using avastclear, but I can do nothing about that it was months ago.
Brian

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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,


Does this include the Windows 7 versions?  I know that I am using Windows Defender on Windows 10 and that is rated somewhat higher than MSEE was.  Is this what you mean or is this higher rating applying to older versions as well.  The individual himself said he was using Windows 7.



On 6/29/2018 8:52 AM, Gene wrote:
See recent reviews.  MSSE is much better rated and thought of than a year or two ago.  While not considered as good protection as many programs, it is now considered acceptable by two or three reputable reviews I've read.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

MSEE is poorly rated!



On 6/29/2018 1:51 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> To be honest waterfox uses the old code, even if the new engine
> actually eventually stops sucking and being crap I don't know if I
> would want to switch over to it, it was why I abandond a lot of my
> antivirus programs and went to msse.
>
> The interfaces work, the engines work, now how good they are for
> security could be debatible but usibility wize they work, and thats
> all I care about I don't care abut much else.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2018 4:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>> Hi, Lino,
>>
>>
>> I use waterfox and it works great for me. It's a bit faster than
>> firefox and
>> I like that.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
>> Morales
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:47 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>
>>
>> Well like I said in my subject line I've had I
>>
>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I
>> bit the
>> bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I'll
>> wait ti
>> FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge
>> are good
>> buddies.
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for
>> Windows
>> 10
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Gene
 

See recent reviews.  MSSE is much better rated and thought of than a year or two ago.  While not considered as good protection as many programs, it is now considered acceptable by two or three reputable reviews I've read.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

MSEE is poorly rated!



On 6/29/2018 1:51 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> To be honest waterfox uses the old code, even if the new engine
> actually eventually stops sucking and being crap I don't know if I
> would want to switch over to it, it was why I abandond a lot of my
> antivirus programs and went to msse.
>
> The interfaces work, the engines work, now how good they are for
> security could be debatible but usibility wize they work, and thats
> all I care about I don't care abut much else.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2018 4:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>> Hi, Lino,
>>
>>
>> I use waterfox and it works great for me. It's a bit faster than
>> firefox and
>> I like that.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
>> Morales
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:47 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>
>>
>> Well like I said in my subject line I've had I
>>
>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I
>> bit the
>> bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I'll
>> wait ti
>> FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge
>> are good
>> buddies.
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for
>> Windows
>> 10
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,


This whole issue with Firefox is odd, but since I have seen no complaints about Firefox sluggishness or unresponsiveness from sighted people, the issue has to be somehow related to screen reader usage and/or the way JAWS, NVDA and other screen readers interface with Firefox under very complex conditions.  I am still wondering about video card or internal video chips conflicts. I know everyone at Freedom Scientific/VFO used to get mad at me when I worked for them every time something like this would happen with a program--wherein some people had no issues and others had several issues.  I would bring up video card/chip conflicts of issues and they would yell at me that all such issues involving screen readers (in the words of the old gospel song) it was all settled long ago.  Still, I wonder!



On 6/29/2018 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:
this discussion needs perspective, in my opinion.
 
Which version of firefox is inefficient with memory?  According to a review I read of the new Firefox, it is much more efficient with memory.  and efficient or not, no browser is going to require that a computer have 4 or 5gb of RAM to work. 
 
and the slowness is, as far as I can reasonably infer, because of unresolved accessibility issues.  Since there are very conflicting reports, with some people being very pleased with the new Firefox and others not, we'll have to see how things work out over time.  Something unknown is evidently causing a wide disparity. 
 
If you read reviews by sighted reviewers, the new Firefox is very fast and is now a realistic competitor to Chrome. 
 
Regarding privacy, according to one or two reviews, Firefox is now better at protecting privacy, or providing options to do so, than Chrome. 
 
Waterfox is based on an ESR version of Firefox.  it's a small operation and how well it will keep up with security fixes that are necessary is, as far as I can see, not known.  How will it keep up in general?  If it bases itself on ESR versions of Firefox, and with a new ESR version of Firefox coming out within about a week or less, are all the advantages you like in Waterfox going to disappear?  the new ESR version of firefox, on which Waterfox is based, will be a quantum version.  We'll see what it is like and how people comment on it here.
 
There is, at present, far too much that isn't known about future developments.  A strong antiFirefox bias predisposes against making the best choices in future and may cause people not to pay attention to future developments as soon as they might, thus, perhaps, delaying benefiting from future advantages.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

Blimey, I only have 8 gigs of ram. You can with the resource monitor add on
see very clearly that Firefox is not very efficient at processor or memory
use most of the time. I have an I5 and its been unthrottled too.
 Brian

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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for the
public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a bit. I
woudl just  check for updates and stuff.

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
> wrote:
>
> That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.
>
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
> To: nvda list list
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>
> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox
> is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>
>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an
>> actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
>> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
>> To: nvda list list
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>
>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit
>>> the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll
>>> wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and
>>> Edge are good buddies.
>>>
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>>> Windows 10
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>>
>
>








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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,


On the Windows 7 machine, I have 4 GB on both.

On 6/29/2018 4:43 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
What is the ram and processor on the windows 7 machines? Do you have more than 8 gigs of ram on them?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Hi Group,


I also am having no issues with all 3 of my systems: Windows 10 64 bit;
Windows 7 64 bit and Windows 7 32 bit. Actually, the Windows 7 systems
are older and somewhat slower over all, but this does not seem to affect
Firefox. Once it launches, pages load normally and reading is decent.



On 6/28/2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I

with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I
bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May
I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and
WF and Edge are good buddies.

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Windows 10

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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Ron Canazzi
 

MSEE is poorly rated!

On 6/29/2018 1:51 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
To be honest waterfox uses the old code, even if the new engine actually eventually stops sucking and being crap I don't know if I would want to switch over to it, it was why I abandond a lot of my antivirus programs and went to msse.

The interfaces work, the engines work, now how good they are for security could be debatible but usibility wize they work, and thats all I care about I don't care abut much else.




On 6/29/2018 4:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Lino,


I use waterfox and it works great for me. It's a bit faster than firefox and
I like that.


Rosemarie




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Well like I said in my subject line I've had I

with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the
bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I'll wait ti
FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good
buddies.


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10









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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Ron Canazzi
 

works great here!

On 6/29/2018 1:41 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
FF is crap, why would you use quantom thats crap to.

Waterfox uses old code which is stable, true we could bother with quantom and try to fix the holes but if there is an alternitive to stay where I am and still be secure I'll take that.




On 6/29/2018 5:46 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.

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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I'm using fire fox on a windows 7 64 bit machine with 16 GB of ram and
running service pack one and my fire fox is working just fine. It
updated a couple days ago on its own and all seems to be well. I
don't have any issues when typing in edit boxes for searches with
sites like amazon or new egg. I'll continue to use fire fox.

On 6/29/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
this discussion needs perspective, in my opinion.

Which version of firefox is inefficient with memory? According to a review
I read of the new Firefox, it is much more efficient with memory. and
efficient or not, no browser is going to require that a computer have 4 or
5gb of RAM to work.

and the slowness is, as far as I can reasonably infer, because of unresolved
accessibility issues. Since there are very conflicting reports, with some
people being very pleased with the new Firefox and others not, we'll have to
see how things work out over time. Something unknown is evidently causing a
wide disparity.

If you read reviews by sighted reviewers, the new Firefox is very fast and
is now a realistic competitor to Chrome.

Regarding privacy, according to one or two reviews, Firefox is now better at
protecting privacy, or providing options to do so, than Chrome.

Waterfox is based on an ESR version of Firefox. it's a small operation and
how well it will keep up with security fixes that are necessary is, as far
as I can see, not known. How will it keep up in general? If it bases
itself on ESR versions of Firefox, and with a new ESR version of Firefox
coming out within about a week or less, are all the advantages you like in
Waterfox going to disappear? the new ESR version of firefox, on which
Waterfox is based, will be a quantum version. We'll see what it is like and
how people comment on it here.

There is, at present, far too much that isn't known about future
developments. A strong antiFirefox bias predisposes against making the best
choices in future and may cause people not to pay attention to future
developments as soon as they might, thus, perhaps, delaying benefiting from
future advantages.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Blimey, I only have 8 gigs of ram. You can with the resource monitor add on

see very clearly that Firefox is not very efficient at processor or memory
use most of the time. I have an I5 and its been unthrottled too.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for the

public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a bit. I

woudl just check for updates and stuff.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com>
wrote:

That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com <mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

I have. And no I do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox

is snappy on my win 10 64 bit machine.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an
actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com <mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit

the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll

wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and
Edge are good buddies.

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Windows 10









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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Gene
 

this discussion needs perspective, in my opinion.
 
Which version of firefox is inefficient with memory?  According to a review I read of the new Firefox, it is much more efficient with memory.  and efficient or not, no browser is going to require that a computer have 4 or 5gb of RAM to work. 
 
and the slowness is, as far as I can reasonably infer, because of unresolved accessibility issues.  Since there are very conflicting reports, with some people being very pleased with the new Firefox and others not, we'll have to see how things work out over time.  Something unknown is evidently causing a wide disparity. 
 
If you read reviews by sighted reviewers, the new Firefox is very fast and is now a realistic competitor to Chrome. 
 
Regarding privacy, according to one or two reviews, Firefox is now better at protecting privacy, or providing options to do so, than Chrome. 
 
Waterfox is based on an ESR version of Firefox.  it's a small operation and how well it will keep up with security fixes that are necessary is, as far as I can see, not known.  How will it keep up in general?  If it bases itself on ESR versions of Firefox, and with a new ESR version of Firefox coming out within about a week or less, are all the advantages you like in Waterfox going to disappear?  the new ESR version of firefox, on which Waterfox is based, will be a quantum version.  We'll see what it is like and how people comment on it here.
 
There is, at present, far too much that isn't known about future developments.  A strong antiFirefox bias predisposes against making the best choices in future and may cause people not to pay attention to future developments as soon as they might, thus, perhaps, delaying benefiting from future advantages.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

Blimey, I only have 8 gigs of ram. You can with the resource monitor add on
see very clearly that Firefox is not very efficient at processor or memory
use most of the time. I have an I5 and its been unthrottled too.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for the
public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a bit. I
woudl just  check for updates and stuff.

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
> wrote:
>
> That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
> To: nvda list list
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>
> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox
> is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>
>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an
>> actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
>> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
>> To: nvda list list
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>
>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit
>>> the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll
>>> wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and
>>> Edge are good buddies.
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>
>
>








Re: Can't uise the NVDA menus

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Have you tried creating a portable version on the hard drive and using that just to see. i fully realise that some things are not readable with a portable version but it might point to where the issue is. If it is a copy made from the one that fails, assuming of course it works enough to allow you to do this, then a finger might point to the issue rather better.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Can't uise the NVDA menus


Hello,

I am using an Acer Swift 3 notebook with Windows 10 home and NVDA 2017.1.1. Either the configuration or NVDA itself has
become corrupted. Many menu items don't work and it is delivering messages about no headings at Level 1. I can't reset
it to factory defaults, assuming that works, because it would go to no Braille and I couldn't use the machine at all.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
John

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