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Re: are there other people with the same problem?

P. Otter
 

what is that?
how do I use it?
curious greeting
paul otter


Op 6-9-2020 om 14:12 schreef Sean:

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter




--
Sean

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.



Re: are there other people with the same problem?

Sean
 

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter




--
Sean

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


are there other people with the same problem?

P. Otter
 

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter


Re: OCR

Rui Fontes
 

What accessibility problems with FineReader menus?

I am using FineReader 14, and I have already installed FineReader 15 for costummers, and didn't notice any accessibility problems with the menus...


Rui Fontes


Às 08:29 de 06/09/2020, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1.  give a higher priority to get those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.



On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:
Why are you disappointed?  Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products like Fine Reader and Omnipage.  Those are questions those who use newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually said"Sorry we are pertinently  closed  Does pertinently mean temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.


Re: I had a good scare

Gene
 

Ron and all

Your description of the show desktop button isn't my understanding of
the button. It doesn't match what the button does in Windows 7 nor
what I have read that it does in Windows 10.
I did a search for show desktop button Windows 10 and saw this
explanation. I'm not sure what site it came from, I can find out if
desired but anyone can do a search for what I searched for and check
this information, which I believe is accurate.
The Show Desktop button is a small rectangle in the far-right bottom
corner of the Windows desktop. It is much smaller than it was in
Windows 7, but clicking on the sliver at the end of the taskbar will
minimize all of the open Windows and provide immediate access to the
Windows desktop.

In other words, the show desktop button does what Windows key m does
for keyboard users, according to this information.

Gene

On 9/5/20, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no
desktop icon. When I hit windows X I snooped around in there and there I
found desktop. I hit it and the Icon came back. If that happens to you you
hit windows x arrow around until you find it.When you hear desktop, hit
enter and you are there. Hit start menue to make sure you have the icon and
it will be there. Then you will find your desktop icon.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10




Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

Gene
 

This might or might not help, but a column may be being displayed in that folder that isn't in others. I am not aware of a column that would show 0 before all or most messages but while you are in that folder, you can try the following:
I am giving desktop commands. I don't use or know laptop commands:
Make sure you are in object navigation, NVDA key numpad one until you hear object navigation or no previous navigation modes.
Then use the command NVDA key numpad 4. You will be on a button that says show columns to display.
Actoivate it with the command nvda key numpad enter, which is the bottom long key at the right of the numpad.
A menu will open. You can down arrow through all sorts of items. You can experiment by unchecking one at a time, then closing the menu with escape and seeing what happens when you move through the message list.
You check or uncheck items by pressing enter on them. Unlike most menus in general, in this menu, checking or unchecking something doesn't cause the menu to close. You can go up or down it, checking or unchecking anything you like and you can check and then uncheck something if you change your mind by pressing enter on it again. For testing, I think you should uncheck one item at a time, then, if it doesn't solve the problem, open the menu again, check it again, then uncheck the next one down, etc.

You may want to wait for other information or suggestions since testing in this way might take some time and be somewhat tedious. If you have done any rearranging of the order of columns, don't press the restore column order. That sets columns back to their default order and you will have to rearrange them again.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolak
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

Hi all,

I'm running Windows10 2004, build 19041.450 as well as NVDA 2020.2 and
Thunderbird 78.2.1.

In one of my inboxes, Thunderbird is announcing 0 in the message list
before each message subject is read.

This started happening all of a sudden recently, although I have no idea
how.

This also doesn't happen in any other folders.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas on what could be causing this?

Thanks,


Daniel


Re: OCR

 

Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1.  give a higher priority to get those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.

On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:
Why are you disappointed?  Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner didn't use as good OCR engines.  It had two major selling points, one that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products like Fine Reader and Omnipage.  Those are questions those who use newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually said"Sorry we are pertinently  closed  Does pertinently mean temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it.  My experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.


Re: OCR

Gene
 

Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are questions those who use newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.


--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: OCR

Gene
 

I haven't tried Kurzweil for many years. If they are still updating the OCR in the program, it should be roughly equivalent, as I found it to be in the past. I don't know how you might intend to use the program but it isn't worth spending about 1,000 dollars unless you specifically intend to use features other than the OCR in Kurzweil. Its been a long time since I looked at price information for Omnipage and Fine Reader but they are much less expensive, being off the shelf programs and not having to amortize their development costs over a very small user base.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Dear all,

I have mostly seen comments on Omnipage and Fine Reader so far. What
do you think about Kurzweil and how does its accuracy and feature set
compare with these? Thoughts appreciated.

Thanks.

On 9/5/20, Robert Logue <bobcat11@shaw.ca> wrote:
I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.

Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home


Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.


Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean temporary
due to Covid:?I attached their reply.


I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.

Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117


http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php


I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.


Bob

On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
*Subject:* [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I
wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there
currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>;
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;




--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

Daniel Wolak
 
Edited

Hi all,

I'm running Windows10 2004, build 19041.450 as well as NVDA 2020.2 and Thunderbird 78.2.1.

In one of my inboxes, NVDA is announcing 0 in the message list before each message subject is read.

This started happening all of a sudden recently, although I have no idea how.

This also doesn't happen in any other folders.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas on what could be causing this?

Thanks,


Daniel


Re: weird stuff happening with NVDA add ons

Luke Davis
 

Tony

"latest versions" is a bit nebulous, but I will assume you mean you are using NVDA 2020.2 and Windows 10 version 2004.

That given: what add-ons have you tried, and where did you get them?

Perhaps more importantly, have you tried to install these add-ons after first restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled?

If so, can you set your log to debugging, and send it to me off list?
(%temp%\nvda-old.log is the file for the previous NVDA session, %temp%\nvda.log is the log from the active session.)

Btw, didn't you used to work in the computer lab at ASB many years ago? I knew you from stuff I used to do in the same building, think we hung out a few times.

Luke

On Sat, 5 Sep 2020, Tony Ballou wrote:

Howdy folks,
 
For some reason each time I try to install a new add on, I’m getting an add on failed to install error.  Any ideas why this is going down?  Never had this
problem before and am using the latest versions of windows 10 and NVDA. Thanks.


Re: I had a good scare

Luke Davis
 

Are you saying that Windows+D or Windows+M would not take you to the desktop?

Or are you saying that you had no icons on your desktop, but you could actually get to the desktop?

On Sat, 5 Sep 2020, Arlene wrote:

Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no desktop icon.  When I hit windows X I snooped around in there and there I found
desktop. I hit it and the Icon came back. If that happens to you you hit windows x arrow around until you find it.When you hear desktop, hit enter and you
are there.  Hit start menue to make sure you have the icon and it will be there.  Then you will find your desktop icon.


Re: I had a good scare

Rob Hudson
 

I think the feature is supposed to save screen real estate.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 00:40:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [nvda] I had a good scare

Hi Group,

In Windows ten itself, with the icons showing and with the search bar
displayed, you also see a show desktop button. This is a toggle and if
the icons are showing and you press this button, the desktop icons will
disappear. Not to worry though: just tab around until you see the
button again and press it and the icons will magically <laugh>
reappear. You can also access this feature by moving to the desktop
and deselecting any items and then using the context menu (right click)
and choosing view and unchecking the item that says 'show desktop icons.'

I don't know what advantage this is for sighted people, but there must
be some.


On 9/6/2020 12:03 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I
had no desktop icon. When I hit windows X I snooped around in there
and there I found desktop. I hit it and the Icon came back. If that
happens to you you hit windows x arrow around until you find it.When
you hear desktop, hit enter and you are there. Hit start menue to make
sure you have the icon and it will be there. Then you will find your
desktop icon.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"






Re: I had a good scare

Arlene
 

Well, that’s good to know. I just went to windows x. I found it that way.  Someone told me when I got this computer. I forgot about it until now. When I took the update the icon was gone. But it’s back.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: September 5, 2020 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I had a good scare

 

Hi Group,

In Windows ten itself, with the icons showing and with the search bar displayed, you also see a show desktop button.  This is a toggle and if the icons are showing and you press this button, the desktop icons will disappear.  Not to worry though: just tab around until you see the button again and press it and the icons will magically <laugh> reappear.   You can also access this feature by moving to the desktop and deselecting any items and then using the context menu (right click) and choosing view and unchecking the item that says 'show desktop icons.'

I don't know what advantage this is for sighted people, but there must be some.

On 9/6/2020 12:03 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no desktop icon.  When I hit windows X I snooped around in there and there I found desktop. I hit it and the Icon came back. If that happens to you you hit windows x arrow around until you find it.When you hear desktop, hit enter and you are there.  Hit start menue to make sure you have the icon and it will be there.  Then you will find your desktop icon.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 


Re: I had a good scare

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

In Windows ten itself, with the icons showing and with the search bar displayed, you also see a show desktop button.  This is a toggle and if the icons are showing and you press this button, the desktop icons will disappear.  Not to worry though: just tab around until you see the button again and press it and the icons will magically <laugh> reappear.   You can also access this feature by moving to the desktop and deselecting any items and then using the context menu (right click) and choosing view and unchecking the item that says 'show desktop icons.'

I don't know what advantage this is for sighted people, but there must be some.


On 9/6/2020 12:03 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no desktop icon.  When I hit windows X I snooped around in there and there I found desktop. I hit it and the Icon came back. If that happens to you you hit windows x arrow around until you find it.When you hear desktop, hit enter and you are there.  Hit start menue to make sure you have the icon and it will be there.  Then you will find your desktop icon.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


I had a good scare

Arlene
 

Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no desktop icon.  When I hit windows X I snooped around in there and there I found desktop. I hit it and the Icon came back. If that happens to you you hit windows x arrow around until you find it.When you hear desktop, hit enter and you are there.  Hit start menue to make sure you have the icon and it will be there.  Then you will find your desktop icon.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: OCR

Ian Blackburn
 

hi k1000 is still about and you can get a license for it if you own old version.


I don't find it very reliable compared too ther commercial products


Ian

On 6/09/2020 11:13 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well kurzweil hasn't been about for ages anyway only schools can get it.

But if I had the cash and could get it for myself its a good suite.

Braille translation omnipage and abbyy finereader engines, pdf ocr, the works, its worth every cent.

I still would like it.

Back in the day, someone gave me a cracked copy of it and I liked it.

But it appears you can't buy it for yourself and its not being sold anymore or its outdated.

But yeah if you can get it then do so.



On 6/09/2020 10:48 am, Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,

I have mostly seen comments on Omnipage and Fine Reader so far. What
do you think about Kurzweil and how does its accuracy and feature set
compare with these? Thoughts appreciated.

Thanks.

On 9/5/20, Robert Logue <bobcat11@shaw.ca> wrote:
I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.

Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home


Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.


Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently  closed  Does pertinently mean temporary
due to Covid:?I attached their reply.


I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.

Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117


http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php


I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.


Bob

On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby

     ----- Original Message -----
     *From:* Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
     *Subject:* [nvda] OCR

     Good morning,

     Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about
     Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I
     wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there
     currently.

     Kind regards

     Quentin.

     --
     Quentin Christensen
     Training and Support Manager

     Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>;
     Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
     Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
     User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
     Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
     Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;



Re: OCR

 

Well kurzweil hasn't been about for ages anyway only schools can get it.

But if I had the cash and could get it for myself its a good suite.

Braille translation omnipage and abbyy finereader engines, pdf ocr, the works, its worth every cent.

I still would like it.

Back in the day, someone gave me a cracked copy of it and I liked it.

But it appears you can't buy it for yourself and its not being sold anymore or its outdated.

But yeah if you can get it then do so.

On 6/09/2020 10:48 am, Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,

I have mostly seen comments on Omnipage and Fine Reader so far. What
do you think about Kurzweil and how does its accuracy and feature set
compare with these? Thoughts appreciated.

Thanks.

On 9/5/20, Robert Logue <bobcat11@shaw.ca> wrote:
I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.

Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home


Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.


Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently  closed  Does pertinently mean temporary
due to Covid:?I attached their reply.


I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.

Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117


http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php


I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.


Bob

On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby

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*From:* Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
*Subject:* [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I
wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there
currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

 

I have contacted realtech about some sound issues, and have never got a responce.

So you can forget that idea.

I think the real problem started years ago when someone decided to intergrate the soundcard with the display chip in my opinion.

I think that was 2014 or there about.

In fact the real issue probably started in 2000 when soundcards were onboard soundcards and you didn't have room for physical speakers and analog controlers but no one is going back on either of those concepts.



On 6/09/2020 5:34 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

I think a better approach is contacting sound card manufacturers directly and explain the situation to them. Talking to synthesizer makers may or may not help, as some synths were developed by folks no longer in business or synth makers may say that this is a sound card driver problem.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

 

I agree Enes's opinion.

Manufacturers implement many different configurations for their sound cards, and this distorts the screen reader's audio, occasionally down the synthesizers's audio, etc.

Manufacturers do not offer a good UI/accessible UI for changing settings.
This makes us dependent on someone else while changing these settings.

I have friends using Lenovo and Asus.
And they do nothing but spoil the sound of NVDA.

Also, your programming for years is not an obstacle to discussing this problem.

On 05/09/2020 20:10, enes sarıbaş wrote:

Brian, out of curiousity, what sort of issues would this cause. I really despise the software enhancements  that come with soundcards, and think it is laptop manufacturerers trying to make their cheap audio hardware sound good. It interfeers with naturalness of audio, and alot of sighted users have a desire to disable signal processing as well, for a purerer music listening experience. If I find I cannot disable enhancements on my next machine easily, I will pay for an external DAC that has no signal processing for unenhanced audio, as audiophiles often do.

Additionally, the issue with documentation listing specific effects is that there is  no uniformness of effects in soundcard drivers iether. Realtek for example has bathroom, running water, consert effects etc.

 

On 9/5/2020 12:03 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 12:48 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

But Brian, the problem remains that these enhancements mess up audio output of NVDA, especially compression effects, due to eloquence being a formant synthesizer, probably what happens is it compresses some of the phonemes at the beginning and end of utterances.

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Then if one is using said synthesizers the synth makers should, as part of their installation documentation, tell you specifically what should be turned off.  Or, better yet, have the capability of probing whether a given something is on and turning it off (or vice versa) that is applicable to its functioning.

What you propose is a solution that would create many, many other potential problems, rather than focusing the solution on the specific situation.  That never makes sense.  It's asking for the law of unintended consequences to come roaring in.

And if you're going to argue with me about this, don't.  Having been a programmer for many, many years I know about this sort of situation all too well and I won't be changing my mind.  I've always said "tool to task" and that applies as far as "specific solution to specific problem" rather than casting an overly broad net that is very likely to catch all kinds of proverbial fish that you'd rather avoid.
 
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Re: nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

 

Hmmm I wouldn't agree with this.

For one thing the reason manufacturers add these enhancements in is so they can go cheap on the speakers.

On my aunt's new hp laptop, with enhancements speech sucks unless at full volume.

Without them the sound is so tinny and bad it sounds like someone with a cold.

With my workstation with enhancements things sound overdriven.

Without them, its fine, however a few remain active unless yyou revert back to the ms drivers.

With the ms drivers the sound is to powerfull for speakers.

I have got used to things, but not every laptop has 2 kilowatt speakers in it.

After this I switched back to my old toshiba and was quite happy I had brought this new workstation a couple years back sound is a big improvement.

As for the system control panels.

Sooner or later you will be using universal audio.

If the intel universal app is anything to go off, while bits still do not work the interfaces are web based.

With a lot of the control panels you can get buy with the mouse tracking and ocr.

At any rate none of this will happen.



On 6/09/2020 4:30 am, enes sarıbaş wrote:

Hello Joseph,

What I think would be extremely useful, is if microsoft added a screen reader flag or something that automatically would disable all enhancements for audio cards. Often I have read on many laptops that the control panels for disabling these aren't usually accessible. NVDA then could have an option to disable them when the screen reader is enabled.

On 9/5/2020 11:28 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Specifically, this and some related fixes are going through testing phase at the moment.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 9:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

 

This is due to enhancements, and computer putting audio card to sleep. Stable NVDA will enclude a fix for this, but until then there are programs etc to download to stop this behavior.

On 8/30/2020 2:26 PM, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

I use usbheadphone  not bluethoot but When you mentioned it, I relized that the problem disappears when I disconnect my headphone. I donwloaded the addon and it seems to work. 
thank you very much.  

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