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Re: are there other people with the same problem?
P. Otter
what is that?
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how do I use it? curious greeting paul otter Op 6-9-2020 om 14:12 schreef Sean:
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Re: are there other people with the same problem?
Sean
You can install with Chocolatey.
On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:
hello all! --
Sean 👨🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.
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are there other people with the same problem?
P. Otter
hello all!
I want to install the newest version of utorrent. I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2. that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware. but it is while installing not accessible. is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem? if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client? cheers paul otter
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Re: OCR
Rui Fontes
What accessibility problems with FineReader menus?
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I am using FineReader 14, and I have already installed FineReader 15 for costummers, and didn't notice any accessibility problems with the menus... Rui Fontes Às 08:29 de 06/09/2020, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.
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Re: I had a good scare
Gene
Ron and all
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Your description of the show desktop button isn't my understanding of the button. It doesn't match what the button does in Windows 7 nor what I have read that it does in Windows 10. I did a search for show desktop button Windows 10 and saw this explanation. I'm not sure what site it came from, I can find out if desired but anyone can do a search for what I searched for and check this information, which I believe is accurate. The Show Desktop button is a small rectangle in the far-right bottom corner of the Windows desktop. It is much smaller than it was in Windows 7, but clicking on the sliver at the end of the taskbar will minimize all of the open Windows and provide immediate access to the Windows desktop. In other words, the show desktop button does what Windows key m does for keyboard users, according to this information. Gene
On 9/5/20, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no
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Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line
Gene
This might or might not help, but a column may be being displayed in that folder that isn't in others. I am not aware of a column that would show 0 before all or most messages but while you are in that folder, you can try the following:
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I am giving desktop commands. I don't use or know laptop commands: Make sure you are in object navigation, NVDA key numpad one until you hear object navigation or no previous navigation modes. Then use the command NVDA key numpad 4. You will be on a button that says show columns to display. Actoivate it with the command nvda key numpad enter, which is the bottom long key at the right of the numpad. A menu will open. You can down arrow through all sorts of items. You can experiment by unchecking one at a time, then closing the menu with escape and seeing what happens when you move through the message list. You check or uncheck items by pressing enter on them. Unlike most menus in general, in this menu, checking or unchecking something doesn't cause the menu to close. You can go up or down it, checking or unchecking anything you like and you can check and then uncheck something if you change your mind by pressing enter on it again. For testing, I think you should uncheck one item at a time, then, if it doesn't solve the problem, open the menu again, check it again, then uncheck the next one down, etc. You may want to wait for other information or suggestions since testing in this way might take some time and be somewhat tedious. If you have done any rearranging of the order of columns, don't press the restore column order. That sets columns back to their default order and you will have to rearrange them again. Gene
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From: Daniel Wolak Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2020 1:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line Hi all, I'm running Windows10 2004, build 19041.450 as well as NVDA 2020.2 and Thunderbird 78.2.1. In one of my inboxes, Thunderbird is announcing 0 in the message list before each message subject is read. This started happening all of a sudden recently, although I have no idea how. This also doesn't happen in any other folders. I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas on what could be causing this? Thanks, Daniel
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Re: OCR
Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.
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Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine. I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document. I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time. I do hope that they do get this fixed. I have not invested in omnipage as such but still. Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it. It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about my access fixes only to be told they were not completed. You'd think they would actually, 1. give a higher priority to get those fixed and also update sooner. In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support. As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance. Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.
On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:
Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are questions those who use newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.
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Re: OCR
Gene
Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are questions those who use newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.
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From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR Well good I brought text cloner when I did then. Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner now. I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product. I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did. Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal. The company you buy from seems to be something completely different but I am happy I got the program. I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway. On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote: I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed. Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join. Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply. I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message. Text cloner support 1-888-514-9117 http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good. Bob On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote: i use abby ----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM Subject: [nvda] OCR Good morning, Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently. Kind regards Quentin. -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: OCR
Gene
I haven't tried Kurzweil for many years. If they are still updating the OCR in the program, it should be roughly equivalent, as I found it to be in the past. I don't know how you might intend to use the program but it isn't worth spending about 1,000 dollars unless you specifically intend to use features other than the OCR in Kurzweil. Its been a long time since I looked at price information for Omnipage and Fine Reader but they are much less expensive, being off the shelf programs and not having to amortize their development costs over a very small user base.
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From: Bhavya shah Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 5:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR Dear all, I have mostly seen comments on Omnipage and Fine Reader so far. What do you think about Kurzweil and how does its accuracy and feature set compare with these? Thoughts appreciated. Thanks. On 9/5/20, Robert Logue <bobcat11@shaw.ca> wrote: I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed. -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Stanford University | Class of 2024 E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line
Hi all,
I'm running Windows10 2004, build 19041.450 as well as NVDA 2020.2 and Thunderbird 78.2.1. In one of my inboxes, NVDA is announcing 0 in the message list before each message subject is read. This started happening all of a sudden recently, although I have no idea how. This also doesn't happen in any other folders. I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas on what could be causing this? Thanks, Daniel
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Re: weird stuff happening with NVDA add ons
Luke Davis
Tony
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"latest versions" is a bit nebulous, but I will assume you mean you are using NVDA 2020.2 and Windows 10 version 2004. That given: what add-ons have you tried, and where did you get them? Perhaps more importantly, have you tried to install these add-ons after first restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled? If so, can you set your log to debugging, and send it to me off list? (%temp%\nvda-old.log is the file for the previous NVDA session, %temp%\nvda.log is the log from the active session.) Btw, didn't you used to work in the computer lab at ASB many years ago? I knew you from stuff I used to do in the same building, think we hung out a few times. Luke
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy folks,
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Re: I had a good scare
Luke Davis
Are you saying that Windows+D or Windows+M would not take you to the desktop?
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Or are you saying that you had no icons on your desktop, but you could actually get to the desktop?
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020, Arlene wrote:
Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no desktop icon. When I hit windows X I snooped around in there and there I found
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Re: I had a good scare
Rob Hudson
I think the feature is supposed to save screen real estate.
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From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 00:40:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [nvda] I had a good scare Hi Group,
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Re: I had a good scare
Arlene
Well, that’s good to know. I just went to windows x. I found it that way. Someone told me when I got this computer. I forgot about it until now. When I took the update the icon was gone. But it’s back.
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From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: September 5, 2020 9:40 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I had a good scare
Hi Group, On 9/6/2020 12:03 AM, Arlene wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: I had a good scare
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
In Windows ten itself, with the icons showing and with the search bar displayed, you also see a show desktop button. This is a toggle and if the icons are showing and you press this button, the desktop icons will disappear. Not to worry though: just tab around until you see the button again and press it and the icons will magically <laugh> reappear. You can also access this feature by moving to the desktop and deselecting any items and then using the context menu (right click) and choosing view and unchecking the item that says 'show desktop icons.' I don't know what advantage this is for sighted people, but there must be some. On 9/6/2020 12:03 AM, Arlene wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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I had a good scare
Arlene
Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no desktop icon. When I hit windows X I snooped around in there and there I found desktop. I hit it and the Icon came back. If that happens to you you hit windows x arrow around until you find it.When you hear desktop, hit enter and you are there. Hit start menue to make sure you have the icon and it will be there. Then you will find your desktop icon.
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Re: OCR
Ian Blackburn
hi k1000 is still about and you can get a license for it if you own old version.
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I don't find it very reliable compared too ther commercial products Ian
On 6/09/2020 11:13 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well kurzweil hasn't been about for ages anyway only schools can get it.
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Re: OCR
Well kurzweil hasn't been about for ages anyway only schools can get it.
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But if I had the cash and could get it for myself its a good suite. Braille translation omnipage and abbyy finereader engines, pdf ocr, the works, its worth every cent. I still would like it. Back in the day, someone gave me a cracked copy of it and I liked it. But it appears you can't buy it for yourself and its not being sold anymore or its outdated. But yeah if you can get it then do so.
On 6/09/2020 10:48 am, Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,
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Re: nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information
I have contacted realtech about some sound issues, and have never got a responce. So you can forget that idea. I think the real problem started years ago when someone decided to intergrate the soundcard with the display chip in my opinion. I think that was 2014 or there about. In fact the real issue probably started in 2000 when soundcards were onboard soundcards and you didn't have room for physical speakers and analog controlers but no one is going back on either of those concepts.
On 6/09/2020 5:34 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information
Hmmm I wouldn't agree with this. For one thing the reason manufacturers add these enhancements in is so they can go cheap on the speakers. On my aunt's new hp laptop, with enhancements speech sucks unless at full volume. Without them the sound is so tinny and bad it sounds like someone with a cold. With my workstation with enhancements things sound overdriven. Without them, its fine, however a few remain active unless yyou revert back to the ms drivers. With the ms drivers the sound is to powerfull for speakers. I have got used to things, but not every laptop has 2 kilowatt speakers in it. After this I switched back to my old toshiba and was quite happy I had brought this new workstation a couple years back sound is a big improvement. As for the system control panels. Sooner or later you will be using universal audio. If the intel universal app is anything to go off, while bits still do not work the interfaces are web based. With a lot of the control panels you can get buy with the mouse tracking and ocr. At any rate none of this will happen.
On 6/09/2020 4:30 am, enes sarıbaş
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