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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

I leave it as an exercise to the readership to decide who's tone is justified, and when.

If anyone, including you, Gene, wish to comment on my statements or tone then you should feel entirely free to do so.

My own posting history stands on its own and pretty clearly indicates that I pick and choose my targets, and my metaphors, quite carefully.  There are times when the proverbial two by four between the eyes is indicated and, in my opinion, for those who bleat about XP not being supported over a decade after it went out of support by Microsoft need that kind of bluntness, as the rational and logical conclusions have not, as yet, seemed to scratch the surface.
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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Gene
 

I'll look at the original message again.  but I commented because of this passage in your original message:
When I restarted I was then blind” audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence.
 
This sounds as though you didn't know if you could enter your password without speech.  for that reason, I tried to think of other ways to test what you were testing.  At this point, without looking at the original message again, I'm not sure if my suggestion of how to test fit what you were doing.  But my whole point is that if there is a way to test without losing accessibility, unless you are sure you can do something without speech, it is far better to keep accessibility if that means you may not be able to do something critical such as sign in.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Gene,

 

You are mistaken, if you read my description again, you will see that indeed both the JAWS and the NVDA settings were on. This duplication is what was being tested.  The loss of accessibility was a risk, as you rightly say.  However, my experience has demonstrated that there is only one edit box in the start-up screen and it was only necessary to put the password in in the usual way that it had been done before to get into the full Windows session.

 

This could not have been tested if the NVDA switch was left active. The silence itself was the test.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

The point is that the speech on bootup setting in the Ease of Access Center was turned off and the effect of that was being tested.  The person booted up without speech and he said that, luckily, he was able to enter his password.  What if he hadn't been able to, something he didn't know.  If you trouble shoot, if you are testing something that doesn't require a loss of accessibility, you should take steps to retain accessibility.  In this case, NVDA could have been told to run at boot up and nothing would have been lost in the trouble shooting that was being done.

 

The NVDA setting wasn't being tested, it hadn't been on.  the incorrect setting for what was desired had been on in the Ease of Access Center.  The desired setting could have been turned on with no loss of accessibility and no impairment of the test being done.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 08:45 AM, Gene wrote:

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?

It strikes me that troubleshooting steps were being described in detail, not the final and permanent state of affairs.
 
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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Gene,

 

You are mistaken, if you read my description again, you will see that indeed both the JAWS and the NVDA settings were on. This duplication is what was being tested.  The loss of accessibility was a risk, as you rightly say.  However, my experience has demonstrated that there is only one edit box in the start-up screen and it was only necessary to put the password in in the usual way that it had been done before to get into the full Windows session.

 

This could not have been tested if the NVDA switch was left active. The silence itself was the test.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

The point is that the speech on bootup setting in the Ease of Access Center was turned off and the effect of that was being tested.  The person booted up without speech and he said that, luckily, he was able to enter his password.  What if he hadn't been able to, something he didn't know.  If you trouble shoot, if you are testing something that doesn't require a loss of accessibility, you should take steps to retain accessibility.  In this case, NVDA could have been told to run at boot up and nothing would have been lost in the trouble shooting that was being done.

 

The NVDA setting wasn't being tested, it hadn't been on.  the incorrect setting for what was desired had been on in the Ease of Access Center.  The desired setting could have been turned on with no loss of accessibility and no impairment of the test being done.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 08:45 AM, Gene wrote:

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?

It strikes me that troubleshooting steps were being described in detail, not the final and permanent state of affairs.
 
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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Chris
 

Thanks Cearbhall that makes sense 😃

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 11 August 2018 16:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Chris,

 

Yes, you are right. When the screen reader is set to start at the logon screen, the check box for that screen reader is present in the Ease of Access settings dialog. However, when the switch is unchecked in the screen readers own settings, the actual check box disappears from the Ease of Access settings dialog.

 

This means that the only way to turn on the switch to make the screen reader speak on the logon screen is to do so from within the screen reader itself and cannot be done in the Ease of Access Centre. However, to stop the screen reader from speaking during the logon screen, this can be done in either of two ways: In the Ease of Access setting or within the screen reader itself!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Cearbhall that’s great you found those settings and fixed your issue

They must be well hidden  as I cant find them anywhere, I know they use to be there, but no longer for me.

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 11 August 2018 11:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Chris, Brian, Sarah,

 

I found the source of the problem!

 

In the Ease of Access settings I had enabled both Jaws and NVDA to speak on the sign-in screen. JAWS was first, so I suppose it took control of the dialog. I found the miserable voice in the JAWS voice settings where MS SAPI 5 was set to a rate of 50 using David, which turned out to be the very voice that I was searching for. Anyway, there was no point in having two screen readers speak on the sign-in screen so I turned them both off. When I restarted I was then blind audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence. I then went to NVDA and found that the start NVDA in the start-up window was now turned off I presume that this was as a result of changing the setting in the Ease of Access setting. I enabled NVDA alone at sign-up and now NVDA has control of the start-up screen with Eloquence speaking!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
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Re: regarding auto tuning

Adel Spence
 

give me g snap

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ravi Paswan" <ravipaswan32@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 11:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] regarding auto tuning


hellow my all friend please tell me I want auto tuning my voice but
actually I could not find A correct application/softwear for window
7/8 32&64 bit I am try following tool but I can not success I have
try adaucity with Gsnap and antares auto tune effect I have also
try adobe addition but these are not accessible with screen reader so
I am kindly request to you please tel me how to do this. because it is
urgent require for me. but could not suggest app because I am want for
windows any one can provide this softwear with crack I hope hardly
thank you I am wating your responce please provide soon please give
your commant but not like.


Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Gene
 

I'm sorry for the blunt tone of this message, gbut enough is enough. You have spoken your mind bluntly and I will do so as well. 
 
You are misunderstanding my message.  How can you possibly disagree with this statement:
If you can test something without losing accessibility if you don't know if you can achieve the task without accessibility, it is better to test with accessibility.  Look at the original message again.  It said something like, I was booting blind.  Fortunately, I was able to enter my password. 
 
I'm sorry, but your objection is simply without foundation.  You are taking this nondirective position to an illogical extreme.  I have every right to suggest what I think is a better method.  I have every right to say that it is better to test without losing accessibility if you can get as good results.  I'm not going to append every statement with, just my opinion, or I'm not trying to tell you what to do or some such.  I believe that people have the intelligence to know that if I make a statement, they can tell whether it is opinion or fact. 
 
Also, I do not say, do it this way or you must do it this way.  I say what I think is a better way to do something and the person is free to do what they want.
 
I give people credit for being able to evaluate what I say and act on it or not.  I do not dictate to people what they do.  I make suggestions and, at times,  I say things like it is better to do this or that.  There are times when I may think a way is better or more convenient when there may be four ways to do the same thing.  I often don't comment on such cases because I don't try to tell someone, use a shortcut command instead of the start menu search to open this or that program.  People may just want to use the start menu as preference or because it is what they are used to.  I don't micromanage preference.  But in a case where I believe that it is clearly superior to do something in a certain way, I may say that without qualification.
 
And you yourself aren't exactly nondirective.  Your XP message is a case in point.  You didn't say to people, don't use XP.  You talked about holding on to a corpse and scolded people for not realizing that XP is a dead system.  You may write such messages if you wish.  I'm not commenting on that.  I'm saying that it is a complete contradiction to write a message like that and then lambast me for writing what I wrote which is much less directive and, indeed isn't really directive in a scolding or dictatorial sense.  It is stating an opinion that it is far better to do something in a certain way if it can be done in that way.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Gene wrote:
The desired setting could have been turned on with no loss of accessibility and no impairment of the test being done.
Gene, as per usual, you just don't get that your way is not *the* way.   People have their own methods and, as in this case, if they work for them, there's nothing wrong nor inferior about them.   You just cannot and do not ever seem to grasp that.
 
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           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Chris
 

Theres always the back stop way

Ctrl+windows+enter

Or

Windows+enter

 

Or, I never tried this but

Ctrl+alt+N

 

Who knows one of them might of worked at login

 

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 17:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Didn't you say that a setting was checked in the Ease of Access Center that you unchecked and then had no screen-reader set to start at bootup?  It appears that Narrator was being used when that setting was set and no other screen-reader was set to run.  My point is that if you had unchecked the setting in the ease of access center, then checked one screen=-reader to run at startup, then if the results were unsatisfactory, you could have unchecked that one and then checked the other one.  You could have then tested each screen-reader without losing access to the login screen.  That would have been preferable to having no screen-reader start at boot up, then, after booting up, setting one to start.  If the results of my method had been unsatisfactory, you could have tried your method but if you can test something without loss of accessibility and have the results be as good, that is preferable. 

 

If I misunderstand what you did, then you may correct me if you wish. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:22 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Jean,

 

I was testing to see whether the screen reader was the source of the voice. If you recall, I had tried four or five other options and none pointed conclusively to what was causing the voice to appear. Unchecking all screen readers proved that the screen reader setting was controlling the voice. After that, it was a process of elimination to find which screen reader was the source, etc.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?  You would then have had speech on bootup the first time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 5:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Chris, Brian, Sarah,

 

I found the source of the problem!

 

In the Ease of Access settings I had enabled both Jaws and NVDA to speak on the sign-in screen. JAWS was first, so I suppose it took control of the dialog. I found the miserable voice in the JAWS voice settings where MS SAPI 5 was set to a rate of 50 using David, which turned out to be the very voice that I was searching for. Anyway, there was no point in having two screen readers speak on the sign-in screen so I turned them both off. When I restarted I was then blind audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence. I then went to NVDA and found that the start NVDA in the start-up window was now turned off I presume that this was as a result of changing the setting in the Ease of Access setting. I enabled NVDA alone at sign-up and now NVDA has control of the start-up screen with Eloquence speaking!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
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           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 


Podcasts and nvda revisited.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Now a while ago it was suggested that I try the accessible podcast suite from webbie. Well I have just about given up.
For a start, it has to be made to download the podcasts. I have 14 in my list and most of them it scrambled.
My needs may be a little peculiar, having been used to Juice, which auto downloads all the podcasts in the links on a timed rota and indeed on turn on if you like. it has all the files stored in mp3 format and they can easily be copied out and twiddled with so I can put them on our local talking newspaper.
Accessible seems to play them from the web link, and only when you ask it to does it go and download. it seems to be all or nothing in all feeds and some blatantly do not work. IE the nature magazine podcast ends up in a temp folder of IE for some reason, not in the folder created for it in the documents area of windows.
Audioboom used by the RNIB are downloaded to the right place but the file names get scrambled with the .mp3 in the middle of the file name which although they play in the podcast player they need to be renamed to play anywhere else.
Only the BBC podcasts seem to work.The ones we do using feedburner often get truncated at the start for no good reason, as if part of the download was skipped.
So, I think its bin time for accessible podcast.
Given my requirements of clean good auto downloads in files one can play outside of the podcast downloader and that it has to work with nvda. would anyone care to suggest something paid for or free for windows that actually ruddy well works for everything?
I'm losing my hair!
Brian

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Re: windows essential update

Ron Canazzi
 

insert + N for NVDA menu

select preferences

select Windows 10 app essentials and choose check for updates.

On 8/11/2018 8:32 AM, anthony borg wrote:
But, can you please explain to me what I should to update again?
Thanks in advance

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 11 August 2018 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

well just update again.



On 8/11/2018 7:19 PM, anthony borg wrote:
Hello gene

Last thursday I got the update of the windows essential for NVDA, but by mistake instead I pressed alt-y to install it, I pressed the escape key.

So do I have to do that update manually now? and if I have to do that from where I should do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: windows essential update


I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes
things start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop,
sometimes well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered
that most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all
went away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of
this slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader,
the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader,
with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the
link activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening,
and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.








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Re: regarding auto tuning

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Argh, have you ever listened to that its awful. I imagine anyone who uses it is a robot.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ravi Paswan" <ravipaswan32@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 4:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] regarding auto tuning


hellow my all friend please tell me I want auto tuning my voice but
actually I could not find A correct application/softwear for window
7/8 32&64 bit I am try following tool but I can not success I have
try adaucity with Gsnap and antares auto tune effect I have also
try adobe addition but these are not accessible with screen reader so
I am kindly request to you please tel me how to do this. because it is
urgent require for me. but could not suggest app because I am want for
windows any one can provide this softwear with crack I hope hardly
thank you I am wating your responce please provide soon please give
your commant but not like.


Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Gene
 

Didn't you say that a setting was checked in the Ease of Access Center that you unchecked and then had no screen-reader set to start at bootup?  It appears that Narrator was being used when that setting was set and no other screen-reader was set to run.  My point is that if you had unchecked the setting in the ease of access center, then checked one screen=-reader to run at startup, then if the results were unsatisfactory, you could have unchecked that one and then checked the other one.  You could have then tested each screen-reader without losing access to the login screen.  That would have been preferable to having no screen-reader start at boot up, then, after booting up, setting one to start.  If the results of my method had been unsatisfactory, you could have tried your method but if you can test something without loss of accessibility and have the results be as good, that is preferable. 
 
If I misunderstand what you did, then you may correct me if you wish. 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Jean,

 

I was testing to see whether the screen reader was the source of the voice. If you recall, I had tried four or five other options and none pointed conclusively to what was causing the voice to appear. Unchecking all screen readers proved that the screen reader setting was controlling the voice. After that, it was a process of elimination to find which screen reader was the source, etc.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?  You would then have had speech on bootup the first time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 5:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Chris, Brian, Sarah,

 

I found the source of the problem!

 

In the Ease of Access settings I had enabled both Jaws and NVDA to speak on the sign-in screen. JAWS was first, so I suppose it took control of the dialog. I found the miserable voice in the JAWS voice settings where MS SAPI 5 was set to a rate of 50 using David, which turned out to be the very voice that I was searching for. Anyway, there was no point in having two screen readers speak on the sign-in screen so I turned them both off. When I restarted I was then blind audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence. I then went to NVDA and found that the start NVDA in the start-up window was now turned off I presume that this was as a result of changing the setting in the Ease of Access setting. I enabled NVDA alone at sign-up and now NVDA has control of the start-up screen with Eloquence speaking!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Gene wrote:
The desired setting could have been turned on with no loss of accessibility and no impairment of the test being done.
Gene, as per usual, you just don't get that your way is not *the* way.   People have their own methods and, as in this case, if they work for them, there's nothing wrong nor inferior about them.   You just cannot and do not ever seem to grasp that.
 
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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Gene
 

The point is that the speech on bootup setting in the Ease of Access Center was turned off and the effect of that was being tested.  The person booted up without speech and he said that, luckily, he was able to enter his password.  What if he hadn't been able to, something he didn't know.  If you trouble shoot, if you are testing something that doesn't require a loss of accessibility, you should take steps to retain accessibility.  In this case, NVDA could have been told to run at boot up and nothing would have been lost in the trouble shooting that was being done.
 
The NVDA setting wasn't being tested, it hadn't been on.  the incorrect setting for what was desired had been on in the Ease of Access Center.  The desired setting could have been turned on with no loss of accessibility and no impairment of the test being done.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 08:45 AM, Gene wrote:
Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?
It strikes me that troubleshooting steps were being described in detail, not the final and permanent state of affairs.
 
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regarding auto tuning

Ravi Paswan <ravipaswan32@...>
 

hellow my all friend please tell me I want auto tuning my voice but
actually I could not find A correct application/softwear for window
7/8 32&64 bit I am try following tool but I can not success I have
try adaucity with Gsnap and antares auto tune effect I have also
try adobe addition but these are not accessible with screen reader so
I am kindly request to you please tel me how to do this. because it is
urgent require for me. but could not suggest app because I am want for
windows any one can provide this softwear with crack I hope hardly
thank you I am wating your responce please provide soon please give
your commant but not like.


Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Youve got it in one, Brian!

 

Thanks again for your help.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 08:45 AM, Gene wrote:

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?

It strikes me that troubleshooting steps were being described in detail, not the final and permanent state of affairs.
 
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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Jean,

 

I was testing to see whether the screen reader was the source of the voice. If you recall, I had tried four or five other options and none pointed conclusively to what was causing the voice to appear. Unchecking all screen readers proved that the screen reader setting was controlling the voice. After that, it was a process of elimination to find which screen reader was the source, etc.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?  You would then have had speech on bootup the first time.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 5:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Chris, Brian, Sarah,

 

I found the source of the problem!

 

In the Ease of Access settings I had enabled both Jaws and NVDA to speak on the sign-in screen. JAWS was first, so I suppose it took control of the dialog. I found the miserable voice in the JAWS voice settings where MS SAPI 5 was set to a rate of 50 using David, which turned out to be the very voice that I was searching for. Anyway, there was no point in having two screen readers speak on the sign-in screen so I turned them both off. When I restarted I was then blind audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence. I then went to NVDA and found that the start NVDA in the start-up window was now turned off I presume that this was as a result of changing the setting in the Ease of Access setting. I enabled NVDA alone at sign-up and now NVDA has control of the start-up screen with Eloquence speaking!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Chris,

 

Yes, you are right. When the screen reader is set to start at the logon screen, the check box for that screen reader is present in the Ease of Access settings dialog. However, when the switch is unchecked in the screen readers own settings, the actual check box disappears from the Ease of Access settings dialog.

 

This means that the only way to turn on the switch to make the screen reader speak on the logon screen is to do so from within the screen reader itself and cannot be done in the Ease of Access Centre. However, to stop the screen reader from speaking during the logon screen, this can be done in either of two ways: In the Ease of Access setting or within the screen reader itself!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Cearbhall that’s great you found those settings and fixed your issue

They must be well hidden  as I cant find them anywhere, I know they use to be there, but no longer for me.

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 11 August 2018 11:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Chris, Brian, Sarah,

 

I found the source of the problem!

 

In the Ease of Access settings I had enabled both Jaws and NVDA to speak on the sign-in screen. JAWS was first, so I suppose it took control of the dialog. I found the miserable voice in the JAWS voice settings where MS SAPI 5 was set to a rate of 50 using David, which turned out to be the very voice that I was searching for. Anyway, there was no point in having two screen readers speak on the sign-in screen so I turned them both off. When I restarted I was then blind audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence. I then went to NVDA and found that the start NVDA in the start-up window was now turned off I presume that this was as a result of changing the setting in the Ease of Access setting. I enabled NVDA alone at sign-up and now NVDA has control of the start-up screen with Eloquence speaking!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
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Re: Screen Curtain

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 07:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I am pretty sure that XPs magnifier does not allow the total control of the whole screen as the later versions did
And even if it did, no software development group is going to focus on extending functionality back to an operating system that has been unsupported by its own creator for over a decade now.

I do not understand why those who use Windows XP cannot grasp this.   It is a DEAD operating system, and no sane development group has focused a single ounce of effort on it in some years now.   Those who elect to cling to a corpse have to deal with the direct consequences of doing so.
 
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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 08:45 AM, Gene wrote:
Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?
It strikes me that troubleshooting steps were being described in detail, not the final and permanent state of affairs.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel