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Re: windows essential update

anthony borg
 

Hi cris,
I did as you explained to me and I manage to do the update from there.
Many thanks once again for your help.
Regards
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 11 August 2018 20:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

Hi Anthony
I assume you are referring to Windows 10 App Essentials. You can force an update by going to the NVDA menu using NVDA+n, then activate preferences. In the Preferences menu you will find an entry for Windows 10 App Essentials. Activate this, tab to Check for updates and press enter.

Cheers

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 11 August 2018 13:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

But, can you please explain to me what I should to update again?
Thanks in advance

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 11 August 2018 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

well just update again.



On 8/11/2018 7:19 PM, anthony borg wrote:
Hello gene

Last thursday I got the update of the windows essential for NVDA, but by mistake instead I pressed alt-y to install it, I pressed the escape key.

So do I have to do that update manually now? and if I have to do that from where I should do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: windows essential update



I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA



Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes
things start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop,
sometimes well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered
that most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all
went away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of
this slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader,
the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader,
with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the
link activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening,
and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.







Re: windows essential update

anthony borg
 

Hi chris
Yes you right, I am referring to windows 10 app essential. I will check out that, thanks very much for your explanation.
Regards
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 11 August 2018 20:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

Hi Anthony
I assume you are referring to Windows 10 App Essentials. You can force an update by going to the NVDA menu using NVDA+n, then activate preferences. In the Preferences menu you will find an entry for Windows 10 App Essentials. Activate this, tab to Check for updates and press enter.

Cheers

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 11 August 2018 13:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

But, can you please explain to me what I should to update again?
Thanks in advance

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 11 August 2018 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

well just update again.



On 8/11/2018 7:19 PM, anthony borg wrote:
Hello gene

Last thursday I got the update of the windows essential for NVDA, but by mistake instead I pressed alt-y to install it, I pressed the escape key.

So do I have to do that update manually now? and if I have to do that from where I should do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: windows essential update



I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA



Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes
things start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop,
sometimes well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered
that most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all
went away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of
this slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader,
the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader,
with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the
link activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening,
and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.







Re: windows essential update

anthony borg
 

Hi joseph,
Many thanks for your good explanation and your help, which I really appreciated very much.
Regards
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 11 August 2018 22:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

Hi,
First, as the author of this add-on, I'd like to apologize for issues caused by installation problems from this add-on.
To others: yes, the one the original poster is referring to is indeed Windows 10 App Essentials.
As for the nature of the problem: I'm thinking somehow the installation steps weren't completed. To find out, go to NVDA menu/Tools/Manage Add-ons. If Windows 10 App Essentials is listed as "install" rather than "enable", chances are that an incomplete installation took place.
To remedy this:
1. Restart your computer.
2. Download and install Windows 10 App Essentials stable version from https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=w10.
3. Once installation completes (let it run until you are asked to restart NVDA), restart NVDA.
4. Go to Add-ons Manager and see if Windows 10 App Essentials shows up as "enabled".

Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

Chris,


Guess I need a bit of help myself.


When I go to the NVDA menu, and locate preferences, I have eleven options, none of them are anything like "Windows 10 App Essentials."


I don't know if I need this update or not, but not being able to locate this menu option is a bit disconcerting.


Any ideas?


Thanks,


Larry


On 8/11/2018 1:14 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi Anthony
I assume you are referring to Windows 10 App Essentials. You can force an update by going to the NVDA menu using NVDA+n, then activate preferences. In the Preferences menu you will find an entry for Windows 10 App Essentials. Activate this, tab to Check for updates and press enter.

Cheers

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 11 August 2018 13:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

But, can you please explain to me what I should to update again?
Thanks in advance

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 11 August 2018 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

well just update again.



On 8/11/2018 7:19 PM, anthony borg wrote:
Hello gene

Last thursday I got the update of the windows essential for NVDA, but by mistake instead I pressed alt-y to install it, I pressed the escape key.

So do I have to do that update manually now? and if I have to do that from where I should do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: windows essential update



I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA



Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes
things start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop,
sometimes well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered
that most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all
went away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of
this slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert"
<rambeau68@gmail.com <mailto:rambeau68@gmail.com> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader,
the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader,
with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the
link activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening,
and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.












Re: problem with addon updater

Darren Harris
 

Hi, it is the latest version.


On 11 Aug 2018, at 22:46, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Which NVDA version do you have? If it is 2018.2, chances are that it might be something going wrong when the add-on starts, or somehow the installation has become corrupt.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with addon updater

 

Hi,

 

I’ve tried uninstalling and reinstalling addon updater. I can’t get the check for updates option to show up at all.


Re: Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in halfanhour, website entry will return at the same time

 

Hi,
Note that this is a proof of concept work, and yes, someone is thinking about working on it for Core.
Regarding speech versus beep at startup: the issue with speech is that, ideally, Screen Curtain message should be spoken last, but given all sorts of things that can happen - focus changes, add-on update notifications, toasts and what not, it is a bit risky to use this method for startup notification for now.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in halfanhour, website entry will return at the same time

Hi Joseph,

Excellent work. I have tested this functionality by trying this add-on with NVDA 2018.3 Beta 2 on my Windows 8.1 system, and am happy to confirm that it works as advertised. Having said that, I do have a few
comments:
• Having read the add-on documentation, it is still somewhat unclear
to me why there is a toggle option in the Tools submenu as well as a check box in a separate category in the Settings dialog to enable or disable the screen curtain. A clarification on the need for two instances of these seemingly similar controls would be greatly appreciated.
• It seems rather unintuitive and inconsistent to indicate the
presence of a screen curtain via a beep when NVDA starts but with speech feedback when enabled during an NVDA session. For sake of standardization at least, I propose (1) opting for only one of these two indicators (preferably speech feedback) or (2) allowing a user to choose either speech or the beep for both instances (feels like an overkill).
• We may want to consider naming this feature differently since the
equivalent for Voiceover is also called screen curtain has been in existence for a long time.

I appreciate the efforts involved in actualizing this long-standing feature request, and hope that my above remarks will be discussed and this add-on’s capabilities will be incorporated into NVDA core in the near future.

Thanks.

On 8/10/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all!
I just installed the NVDA screen Curtin add-on, and it works great.
Traci, my wife confirmed that the screen went dark, and I was able to
assign a gesture to turn it on and off.
It seems like it is all working well for me.
I am using the latest alpha snap shot of NVDA, and Windows 10 1803.
Have a great one, guys, and thank you for all of your work!
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rusty Perez
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in
halfanhour, website entry will return at the same time

Hi folks,
I've installed the screen curtain add on.

It appears to be running when I go in to the add on manager, but it
doesn't appear just under the tools menu. Also, it does not appear
when I search for it in the gestures / tools area.

What am I missing?

Thanks!

On 8/8/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


have a look on the following page these are add ons under development
and has the add on updater as well as the screen curtain one and more.
The link to this page is https://addons.nvda-project.org/dev.en.html


Gene nz



On 8/9/2018 2:41 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Where do you find this screen curtain?

On 8/8/2018 7:22 AM, Andre Vosloo wrote:
Hi Joseph

What a great add-on thanks very much. Will assign a hot key soon.

regards

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Christo de Klerk
*Sent:* 08 August 2018 11:19 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live
in half anhour, website entry will return at the same time

Hey Joseph

The add-on works like a charm on my Lenovo laptop. I have also set
up a toggle hotkey, Windows key+s in my case. I am thrilled about
this add-on, because I often have to work with confidential
information and one never knows when there might be prying eyes around.

Excellent work!

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/08 11:08 AM, abdul muhamin wrote:

Hi Joseph. Good work. After updating to the latest version of
this
addon, it announces screen kirtan on and off. I’ve added a
keyboard
shortcut also. Alt plus caps lock plus s.

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for
Windows 10

*From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:09 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go
live in
half anhour, website entry will return at the same time

Hi,

Gesture assignment: yes, it should be mentioned, and I’ll do
just
that for Screen Curtain for the next release (in September).

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf
Of
*Gene New Zealand
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:04 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go
live in
half an hour, website entry will return at the same time

Hi Joseph

Just downloaded the screen curtain add on hearing screen
curtain on
and off i like that much better than the beeps.

I also checked out the documentation as well and had a quick read.

I think maybe some people may know or some will not that you
can
asign a short cut key to turn it on and off. There was no
mention in
the help section or where to go if you are a new user of the
add on.

I Until i looked under the gestures section then tools then
screen
curtain i did not know where this could be done.

Some people may not be aware you can asign a gesture to some of
the
add ons.

Do you reckon it needs to be mentioned or not just looking at
it
from a new user.

Gene nz

On 8/8/2018 6:31 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Screen Curtain August 7^th build will hit the air in about
half
an hour from now. This build includes following changes as
a
result of basic add-on review:

* Settings: now configurable. You can now ask NVDA to not
enable screen curtain when it starts (default behavior
from
now on). Also, the add-on is ready for configuration
profile
switches – that is, you can enable or disable screen
curtain
while in certain situations (using an app, for example).
* Documentation: greatly improved. It now mentions new
settings, toggle state, and a link to the actual NVDA
issue
is provided.
* Toggle messages: instead of playing a tone whenever
screen
curtain is toggled, a message will be spoken and brailled.
The tone will be heard if screen curtain is enabled
when
NVDA starts.
Also, this add-on will once again show up on add-ons
website
under development section as it has gone through basic
review
process.

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph












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Re: Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in halfanhour, website entry will return at the same time

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Joseph,

Excellent work. I have tested this functionality by trying this add-on
with NVDA 2018.3 Beta 2 on my Windows 8.1 system, and am happy to
confirm that it works as advertised. Having said that, I do have a few
comments:
• Having read the add-on documentation, it is still somewhat unclear
to me why there is a toggle option in the Tools submenu as well as a
check box in a separate category in the Settings dialog to enable or
disable the screen curtain. A clarification on the need for two
instances of these seemingly similar controls would be greatly
appreciated.
• It seems rather unintuitive and inconsistent to indicate the
presence of a screen curtain via a beep when NVDA starts but with
speech feedback when enabled during an NVDA session. For sake of
standardization at least, I propose (1) opting for only one of these
two indicators (preferably speech feedback) or (2) allowing a user to
choose either speech or the beep for both instances (feels like an
overkill).
• We may want to consider naming this feature differently since the
equivalent for Voiceover is also called screen curtain has been in
existence for a long time.

I appreciate the efforts involved in actualizing this long-standing
feature request, and hope that my above remarks will be discussed and
this add-on’s capabilities will be incorporated into NVDA core in the
near future.

Thanks.

On 8/10/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all!
I just installed the NVDA screen Curtin add-on, and it works great. Traci,
my wife confirmed that the screen went dark, and I was able to assign a
gesture to turn it on and off.
It seems like it is all working well for me.
I am using the latest alpha snap shot of NVDA, and Windows 10 1803.
Have a great one, guys, and thank you for all of your
work!
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rusty Perez
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in
halfanhour, website entry will return at the same time

Hi folks,
I've installed the screen curtain add on.

It appears to be running when I go in to the add on manager, but it
doesn't appear just under the tools menu. Also, it does not appear
when I search for it in the gestures / tools area.

What am I missing?

Thanks!

On 8/8/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


have a look on the following page these are add ons under development
and has the add on updater as well as the screen curtain one and more.
The link to this page is https://addons.nvda-project.org/dev.en.html


Gene nz



On 8/9/2018 2:41 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Where do you find this screen curtain?

On 8/8/2018 7:22 AM, Andre Vosloo wrote:
Hi Joseph

What a great add-on thanks very much.  Will assign a hot key soon.

regards

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Christo de Klerk
*Sent:* 08 August 2018 11:19 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in
half anhour, website entry will return at the same time

Hey Joseph

The add-on works like a charm on my Lenovo laptop. I have also set up
a toggle hotkey, Windows key+s in my case. I am thrilled about this
add-on, because I often have to work with confidential information
and one never knows when there might be prying eyes around.

Excellent work!

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/08 11:08 AM, abdul muhamin wrote:

    Hi Joseph. Good work. After updating to the latest version of this
    addon, it announces screen kirtan on and off. I’ve added a keyboard
    shortcut also. Alt plus caps lock plus s.

    Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
    Windows 10

    *From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
    *Sent: *Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:09 AM
    *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live
in
    half anhour, website entry will return at the same time

    Hi,

    Gesture assignment: yes, it should be mentioned, and I’ll do just
    that for Screen Curtain for the next release (in September).

    Cheers,

    Joseph

    *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
    *Gene New Zealand
    *Sent:* Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:04 PM
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live
in
    half an hour, website entry will return at the same time

    Hi Joseph

    Just downloaded the screen curtain add on hearing screen curtain on
    and off i like that much better than the beeps.

    I also checked out the documentation as well and had a quick read.

    I think maybe some people may know or some will not that you can
    asign a short cut key to turn it on and off. There was no mention
in
    the help section or where to go if you are a new user of the add
on.

    I Until i looked under the gestures section then tools then screen
    curtain i did not know where this could be done.

    Some people may not be aware you can asign a gesture to some of the
    add ons.

    Do you reckon it needs to be mentioned or not just looking at it
    from a new user.

    Gene nz

    On 8/8/2018 6:31 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

        Hi all,

        Screen Curtain August 7^th build will hit the air in about half
        an hour from now. This build includes following changes as a
        result of basic add-on review:

          * Settings: now configurable. You can now ask NVDA to not
            enable screen curtain when it starts (default behavior from
            now on). Also, the add-on is ready for configuration
profile
            switches – that is, you can enable or disable screen
curtain
            while in certain situations (using an app, for example).
          * Documentation: greatly improved. It now mentions new
            settings, toggle state, and a link to the actual NVDA issue
            is provided.
          * Toggle messages: instead of playing a tone whenever screen
            curtain is toggled, a message will be spoken and brailled.
            The tone will be heard if screen curtain is enabled when
            NVDA starts.
        Also, this add-on will once again show up on add-ons website
        under development section as it has gone through basic review
        process.

        Thank you.

        Cheers,

        Joseph











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a bit of a problem with the Code Factory Vocalizer Voices demo

Larry Higgins
 

Hopefully someone can tell me just what I might have done wrong.


I just installed the Vocalizer voices addon demo, and can't get them to run at all.


I fear that  one of the following move might have been in error on my part.

On the Thursday before last, I installed Code Factory Eloquence for Windows, and of course since then, the demo  has timed out. So I tried installing the Addon for NVDA, and can get nowhere in getting the voices to run.


The second possible  error that I might  have made was not installing  from the addon menu, but from the download  folder. However, there  was no indication of an error when doing so.


Guess  I am just wondering if there  is any chance that I will ever get these things running, or should I just give up?


I don't think I  will be registering the Vocalizer voices, but gladly settling  for Eloquence, but I thought I would at least like to sample the voices anyway.


By all  indications, I seem to have done everything necessary, so again, what gives?


Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Sincerely,


Larry


Re: problem with addon updater

 

Hi,

Which NVDA version do you have? If it is 2018.2, chances are that it might be something going wrong when the add-on starts, or somehow the installation has become corrupt.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with addon updater

 

Hi,

 

I’ve tried uninstalling and reinstalling addon updater. I can’t get the check for updates option to show up at all.


problem with addon updater

Darren Harris
 

Hi,

 

I’ve tried uninstalling and reinstalling addon updater. I can’t get the check for updates option to show up at all.


Re: windows essential update

 

Hi,
First, as the author of this add-on, I'd like to apologize for issues caused by installation problems from this add-on.
To others: yes, the one the original poster is referring to is indeed Windows 10 App Essentials.
As for the nature of the problem: I'm thinking somehow the installation steps weren't completed. To find out, go to NVDA menu/Tools/Manage Add-ons. If Windows 10 App Essentials is listed as "install" rather than "enable", chances are that an incomplete installation took place.
To remedy this:
1. Restart your computer.
2. Download and install Windows 10 App Essentials stable version from https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=w10.
3. Once installation completes (let it run until you are asked to restart NVDA), restart NVDA.
4. Go to Add-ons Manager and see if Windows 10 App Essentials shows up as "enabled".

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

Chris,


Guess I need a bit of help myself.


When I go to the NVDA menu, and locate preferences, I have eleven options, none of them are anything like "Windows 10 App Essentials."


I don't know if I need this update or not, but not being able to locate
this menu option is a bit disconcerting.


Any ideas?


Thanks,


Larry


On 8/11/2018 1:14 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi Anthony
I assume you are referring to Windows 10 App Essentials. You can force an update by going to the NVDA menu using NVDA+n, then activate preferences. In the Preferences menu you will find an entry for Windows 10 App Essentials. Activate this, tab to Check for updates and press enter.

Cheers

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 11 August 2018 13:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

But, can you please explain to me what I should to update again?
Thanks in advance

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 11 August 2018 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

well just update again.



On 8/11/2018 7:19 PM, anthony borg wrote:
Hello gene

Last thursday I got the update of the windows essential for NVDA, but by mistake instead I pressed alt-y to install it, I pressed the escape key.

So do I have to do that update manually now? and if I have to do that from where I should do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: windows essential update



I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA



Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes
things start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop,
sometimes well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered
that most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all
went away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of
this slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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<rambeau68@gmail.com <mailto:rambeau68@gmail.com> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader,
the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader,
with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the
link activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening,
and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.












Re: windows essential update

Larry Higgins
 

Chris,


Guess I need a bit of help myself.


When I go to the NVDA menu, and locate preferences, I have eleven options, none of them are anything like "Windows 10 App Essentials."


I don't know if I need this update or not, but not being able to locate this menu option is a bit disconcerting.


Any ideas?


Thanks,


Larry

On 8/11/2018 1:14 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi Anthony
I assume you are referring to Windows 10 App Essentials. You can force an update by going to the NVDA menu using NVDA+n, then activate preferences. In the Preferences menu you will find an entry for Windows 10 App Essentials. Activate this, tab to Check for updates and press enter.

Cheers

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 11 August 2018 13:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

But, can you please explain to me what I should to update again?
Thanks in advance

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 11 August 2018 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

well just update again.



On 8/11/2018 7:19 PM, anthony borg wrote:
Hello gene

Last thursday I got the update of the windows essential for NVDA, but by mistake instead I pressed alt-y to install it, I pressed the escape key.

So do I have to do that update manually now? and if I have to do that from where I should do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: windows essential update


I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes
things start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop,
sometimes well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered
that most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all
went away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of
this slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader,
the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader,
with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the
link activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening,
and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.











Re: Podcasts and nvda revisited.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

PS Gpodder looks ideal but crashes on load with a missing file then even the bits that work are inaccessible.
Brian

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To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 5:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Podcasts and nvda revisited.


Now a while ago it was suggested that I try the accessible podcast suite from webbie. Well I have just about given up.
For a start, it has to be made to download the podcasts. I have 14 in my list and most of them it scrambled.
My needs may be a little peculiar, having been used to Juice, which auto downloads all the podcasts in the links on a timed rota and indeed on turn on if you like. it has all the files stored in mp3 format and they can easily be copied out and twiddled with so I can put them on our local talking newspaper.
Accessible seems to play them from the web link, and only when you ask it to does it go and download. it seems to be all or nothing in all feeds and some blatantly do not work. IE the nature magazine podcast ends up in a temp folder of IE for some reason, not in the folder created for it in the documents area of windows.
Audioboom used by the RNIB are downloaded to the right place but the file names get scrambled with the .mp3 in the middle of the file name which although they play in the podcast player they need to be renamed to play anywhere else.
Only the BBC podcasts seem to work.The ones we do using feedburner often get truncated at the start for no good reason, as if part of the download was skipped.
So, I think its bin time for accessible podcast.
Given my requirements of clean good auto downloads in files one can play outside of the podcast downloader and that it has to work with nvda. would anyone care to suggest something paid for or free for windows that actually ruddy well works for everything?
I'm losing my hair!
Brian

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Re: windows essential update

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Anthony
I assume you are referring to Windows 10 App Essentials. You can force an update by going to the NVDA menu using NVDA+n, then activate preferences. In the Preferences menu you will find an entry for Windows 10 App Essentials. Activate this, tab to Check for updates and press enter.

Cheers

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 11 August 2018 13:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

But, can you please explain to me what I should to update again?
Thanks in advance

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 11 August 2018 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essential update

well just update again.



On 8/11/2018 7:19 PM, anthony borg wrote:
Hello gene

Last thursday I got the update of the windows essential for NVDA, but by mistake instead I pressed alt-y to install it, I pressed the escape key.

So do I have to do that update manually now? and if I have to do that from where I should do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: windows essential update



I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA



Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes
things start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop,
sometimes well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered
that most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all
went away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of
this slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader,
the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader,
with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the
link activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening,
and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.







Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Gene
 

As I thought, according to your original description, you had two screen-readers turned on in the Ease of Access Center.  You turned both off and then rebooted.  My point is that you could have turned JAWS off and let NVDA speak on boot up and not have lost accessibility.  You could have ruled JAWS in or out as the problem by doing so.  If necessary, if some unexpected result occurred, you might have considered turning both screen-readers off for later testing but to start with, turning off one screen-reader, then, if necessary, turning it back on and the other off and rebooting a second time should have allowed you to troubleshoot the problem without loss of access.  As I said, your original message indicated uncertainty as to whether you could log in without speech.  that being the case, my point is that it would have been much better to test without losing accessibility unless that proved necessary later. 
 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?  You would then have had speech on bootup the first time.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Chris, Brian, Sarah,

 

I found the source of the problem!

 

In the Ease of Access settings I had enabled both Jaws and NVDA to speak on the sign-in screen. JAWS was first, so I suppose it took control of the dialog. I found the miserable voice in the JAWS voice settings where MS SAPI 5 was set to a rate of 50 using David, which turned out to be the very voice that I was searching for. Anyway, there was no point in having two screen readers speak on the sign-in screen so I turned them both off. When I restarted I was then blind audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence. I then went to NVDA and found that the start NVDA in the start-up window was now turned off I presume that this was as a result of changing the setting in the Ease of Access setting. I enabled NVDA alone at sign-up and now NVDA has control of the start-up screen with Eloquence speaking!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
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Re: Win10 startup and NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah same here. My system reboots in about 5 seconds anyway so for me it’s no loss of time.

On 11 Aug 2018, at 3:56, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Maybe some can, but I prefer a reboot, given that I have an ssd with windows on it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes things
start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop, sometimes
well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered that
most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all went
away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of this
slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader, the
end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader, with
no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the link
activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening, and
what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.







Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Sarah k Alawami
 

Cool cool! Glad you got it solved. I woudl have not though of jaws as well as nvda on that log on screen. Happy Saturday.

On 11 Aug 2018, at 3:52, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Chris, Brian, Sarah,

 

I found the source of the problem!

 

In the Ease of Access settings I had enabled both Jaws and NVDA to speak on the sign-in screen. JAWS was first, so I suppose it took control of the dialog. I found the miserable voice in the JAWS voice settings where MS SAPI 5 was set to a rate of 50 using David, which turned out to be the very voice that I was searching for. Anyway, there was no point in having two screen readers speak on the sign-in screen so I turned them both off. When I restarted I was then blind audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence. I then went to NVDA and found that the start NVDA in the start-up window was now turned off I presume that this was as a result of changing the setting in the Ease of Access setting. I enabled NVDA alone at sign-up and now NVDA has control of the start-up screen with Eloquence speaking!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
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           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

I leave it as an exercise to the readership to decide who's tone is justified, and when.

If anyone, including you, Gene, wish to comment on my statements or tone then you should feel entirely free to do so.

My own posting history stands on its own and pretty clearly indicates that I pick and choose my targets, and my metaphors, quite carefully.  There are times when the proverbial two by four between the eyes is indicated and, in my opinion, for those who bleat about XP not being supported over a decade after it went out of support by Microsoft need that kind of bluntness, as the rational and logical conclusions have not, as yet, seemed to scratch the surface.
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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Gene
 

I'll look at the original message again.  but I commented because of this passage in your original message:
When I restarted I was then blind” audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence.
 
This sounds as though you didn't know if you could enter your password without speech.  for that reason, I tried to think of other ways to test what you were testing.  At this point, without looking at the original message again, I'm not sure if my suggestion of how to test fit what you were doing.  But my whole point is that if there is a way to test without losing accessibility, unless you are sure you can do something without speech, it is far better to keep accessibility if that means you may not be able to do something critical such as sign in.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Gene,

 

You are mistaken, if you read my description again, you will see that indeed both the JAWS and the NVDA settings were on. This duplication is what was being tested.  The loss of accessibility was a risk, as you rightly say.  However, my experience has demonstrated that there is only one edit box in the start-up screen and it was only necessary to put the password in in the usual way that it had been done before to get into the full Windows session.

 

This could not have been tested if the NVDA switch was left active. The silence itself was the test.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

The point is that the speech on bootup setting in the Ease of Access Center was turned off and the effect of that was being tested.  The person booted up without speech and he said that, luckily, he was able to enter his password.  What if he hadn't been able to, something he didn't know.  If you trouble shoot, if you are testing something that doesn't require a loss of accessibility, you should take steps to retain accessibility.  In this case, NVDA could have been told to run at boot up and nothing would have been lost in the trouble shooting that was being done.

 

The NVDA setting wasn't being tested, it hadn't been on.  the incorrect setting for what was desired had been on in the Ease of Access Center.  The desired setting could have been turned on with no loss of accessibility and no impairment of the test being done.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 08:45 AM, Gene wrote:

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?

It strikes me that troubleshooting steps were being described in detail, not the final and permanent state of affairs.
 
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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Gene,

 

You are mistaken, if you read my description again, you will see that indeed both the JAWS and the NVDA settings were on. This duplication is what was being tested.  The loss of accessibility was a risk, as you rightly say.  However, my experience has demonstrated that there is only one edit box in the start-up screen and it was only necessary to put the password in in the usual way that it had been done before to get into the full Windows session.

 

This could not have been tested if the NVDA switch was left active. The silence itself was the test.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

The point is that the speech on bootup setting in the Ease of Access Center was turned off and the effect of that was being tested.  The person booted up without speech and he said that, luckily, he was able to enter his password.  What if he hadn't been able to, something he didn't know.  If you trouble shoot, if you are testing something that doesn't require a loss of accessibility, you should take steps to retain accessibility.  In this case, NVDA could have been told to run at boot up and nothing would have been lost in the trouble shooting that was being done.

 

The NVDA setting wasn't being tested, it hadn't been on.  the incorrect setting for what was desired had been on in the Ease of Access Center.  The desired setting could have been turned on with no loss of accessibility and no impairment of the test being done.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 08:45 AM, Gene wrote:

Why not enable NVdA before rebooting after turning the setting off in the ease of access center?

It strikes me that troubleshooting steps were being described in detail, not the final and permanent state of affairs.
 
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Re: Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

Chris
 

Thanks Cearbhall that makes sense 😃

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 11 August 2018 16:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Chris,

 

Yes, you are right. When the screen reader is set to start at the logon screen, the check box for that screen reader is present in the Ease of Access settings dialog. However, when the switch is unchecked in the screen readers own settings, the actual check box disappears from the Ease of Access settings dialog.

 

This means that the only way to turn on the switch to make the screen reader speak on the logon screen is to do so from within the screen reader itself and cannot be done in the Ease of Access Centre. However, to stop the screen reader from speaking during the logon screen, this can be done in either of two ways: In the Ease of Access setting or within the screen reader itself!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Cearbhall that’s great you found those settings and fixed your issue

They must be well hidden  as I cant find them anywhere, I know they use to be there, but no longer for me.

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 11 August 2018 11:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

Chris, Brian, Sarah,

 

I found the source of the problem!

 

In the Ease of Access settings I had enabled both Jaws and NVDA to speak on the sign-in screen. JAWS was first, so I suppose it took control of the dialog. I found the miserable voice in the JAWS voice settings where MS SAPI 5 was set to a rate of 50 using David, which turned out to be the very voice that I was searching for. Anyway, there was no point in having two screen readers speak on the sign-in screen so I turned them both off. When I restarted I was then blind audially! However, I took a chance and typed my password in in the usual way and got back to the desktop in silence. I then went to NVDA and found that the start NVDA in the start-up window was now turned off I presume that this was as a result of changing the setting in the Ease of Access setting. I enabled NVDA alone at sign-up and now NVDA has control of the start-up screen with Eloquence speaking!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
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           ~ Richard Dehmel