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Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Ervin, Glenn
 

Doesn’t Jaws have something that prevents pages from refreshing?

If so, perhaps it is a feature that can be added to NVDA.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi Joseph,

All extensions are turned off and I have restarted my laptop and it is still the same.

 

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 16:38, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Are you using any add-ons? If so, what happens when you disable all add-ons at once (by restarting with add-ons disabled)? I assume this issue is present even after restarting your computer, and it may show up when trying to connect to all or certain sites. Is this correct?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I am using NVDA 2018.2.1 and Win 10 Home Version 1803.

 

On 19/07/2018 16:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




 

 

 


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Hi,

Doug Lee does under contract.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi Joseph,

All extensions are turned off and I have restarted my laptop and it is still the same.


Regards

Stephen


On 19/07/2018 16:38, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Are you using any add-ons? If so, what happens when you disable all add-ons at once (by restarting with add-ons disabled)? I assume this issue is present even after restarting your computer, and it may show up when trying to connect to all or certain sites. Is this correct?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I am using NVDA 2018.2.1 and Win 10 Home Version 1803.

 

On 19/07/2018 16:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



 

 



Re: possible eloquence solution

Ervin, Glenn
 

LOL,

I always thought that if they were to fix it, they should insert an inhaling sound before it starts reading again at the normal pitch.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:31 AM
To: Nvda List List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I’ve heard that. It can be quite amusing , until you listen to it get lower and lower. I’ve herd it get so low all you hear isa click, then it gets very annoying fast.



On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:58 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

 

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?

 

All the best


STeve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.  

 

 


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
If you contact NVAccess I feel fairly certain they could point you to someone.  Or even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.

I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS script writers when they were needed about 2 years ago.  It's a real niche market.
 
--

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Re: possible eloquence solution

Sarah k Alawami
 

I’ve heard that. It can be quite amusing , until you listen to it get lower and lower. I’ve herd it get so low all you hear isa click, then it gets very annoying fast.

On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:58 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?
 
All the best

STeve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
 
Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.  
 



Smartphones with Keypads or Keyboards

 

This seems to me to be worthy of a spin-off topic of its own.

If you're not looking for a phone where you want a full keypad for texting, but would like a dial pad for calling, and want an Android device all rolled into one there's the Freetel Musashi FTJ161A
which is hugely expensive, but one of a kind as far as I know since it can act as a full smartphone with touch screen on the top half and still has a standard dial pad on the bottom half.  (For more on this device see:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Freetel+Musashi+flip+phone)  Freetel tried to enter the US market in 2016/2017 but pretty much failed in that attempt.  Their what-was-then-flagship standard smartphone, the Samurai Kiwami, can now be had for under $100, and it works fine on T-Mobile's GSM network and should do the same for Verizon.  It is, however, still an Android Lollipop (5.1) device out of the box and since Freetel has left the US market ongoing support cannot be expected.

This web search returns many options for currently available smartphones with keyboards, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Smartphone+with+keyboard, and this one for smartphones with keyboards and touchscreens, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=smartphone+with+keyboard+and+touch+screen.
There is, of course, a huge amount of overlap between those two lists.
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Re: possible eloquence solution

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually, I googled for the beta program and they said on their list somethg like “we have internal testers, we don’t want or need beta testers at this time.” I’m   not subscribed to their list. But I was googling and found their list on I think google groups. I don’t even think they are accepting any invites to their list at all actually.

A buddy of mine hers the same complaints as he got in last year before they closed the beta off and they have not  fixed the same issues  peole were reporting for now about maybe 5 months. That is, there has not ben an update to the beta or the public release of eloquence since I bought it in may of last year.

On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:20 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?
 
All the best

STeve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.


On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
 
Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.  
 



Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Ervin, Glenn
 

That’s right, if we had one available, I’m sure we would give it a go.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: possible eloquence solution

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually it is not. Go to system  and I think it’s date time and speac and set those to 100 percent. Thenit is very very vast. Here is a demo of said  voice. I learned this trick from the nvda list I think in February or so.

On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

1Core at 100 percent is too slow.
 
All the best
Steve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:08
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
I actually have my 1 core voices at about maybe 80 percent and the nvda voice at 60. No one else can understand it but me. I do slow it down on my my streams though to be nice but the voices are fast and very understandable for lack of a better term.


On Jul 17, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
 
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it.  Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: Expansion of acronyms & Abbreviations

Steve Nutt
 

It is. It doesn't let you do it at synth level, only Window-Eyes ever did that.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: 19 July 2018 16:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Expansion of acronyms & Abbreviations

Dear Steve & List:

JAWS also permits control of expansion of acronyms & abbreviations; however, this may be only for HTML documents.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] possible eloquence solution

Hi,

The only screen reader that I know of that allowed you to turn off
expansion Of abbreviations was Window-Eyes. Therefore, if that is
possible, NVDA should be Able to do it on a synth-by-synth basis.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Wood
Sent: 18 July 2018 08:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] possible eloquence solution

I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak
is Decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain
Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings, I will
use a more Modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no
reason, miss pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding
acronyms that I do not want.


I cannot win.
On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes, I am sure you know that several attempts were made by NV access
to have a license system that was not too onerous, but no. I do
think I that it is rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. It
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English Espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with
words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the
speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see
somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One
has to realize now though that the biggest growth area for NVDA is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [NVDA] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You are effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft would not maintain it.



All the best


Steve
>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] possible eloquence solution It seems like unless
this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into
feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same.
I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rights to Code Factory Nuance Eloquence TTS.
Offer it as a free downloadable sapi 5 and OneCore voice add-ons
under ease of access in windows 10. And on the Microsoft website as
sapi 5 for windows 7 users. Also, please maintain the android
version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3.
Nuance Code Factory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence
to Microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing
impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of
windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on
any pc you buy. And if you don’t want it, you just do not go into
ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in
the 80's and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: Problem with Firefox - maybe use Edge instead?

 

With regard to Firefox, you can use Bookmarks Manager (CTRL+SHIFT+B) to manipulate your existing bookmarks into whatever folder structure you'd like.  It behaves not unlike File Explorer in that you can cut and paste, create new folders, etc., for your bookmarks.   I cannot say how your current folder structure is arranged but it sounds like your old bookmarks are in a subfolder and your new ones at the top level (or perhaps vice versa).

With regard to using Edge, in Settings, there is a section named Import favorites and other info with the button Import from another browser.  If you activate it you will find you can import directly without having to export from the other browser or you can choose to go the old school method of exporting to an HTML file and importing from that file.
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Re: possible eloquence solution

Ervin, Glenn
 

Keynote, to me, sounds like a guy with a sock and a harmonica stuffed in his mouth.
LOL

Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

God I wish it were as good as Keynote, that was excellent, but Espeak isn't. Voice lisping, bad formant pronunciation and all kinds of things with Espeak. Can you tell I don't like it?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 09:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

Espeak is good enough, it reminds me of the keynote and its quite good.

Bar my phone eloquence never interested me, nuance actually tried to write a 16 bit eloquence, but I doubt bar improving the quality of the voices, so you hear a 8 bit synth digitally orgmented to a 16 bit one, which just sounds crappy because it is obvious that the convert doesn't sound right at all.

Dectalk is another, but to be honest, orpheus1 was my prefered synth, after that, espeak the first one.

Vocaliser and realspeak were my synths of choice and if I hadn't pulled that off a server a friend had ages ago I would never have any advanced tts, they are just to expensive for sapi.

At least the third party stuff is.

But the robotic crap while not good for reading its low resource and quite usefull for just about everything else.

The higher non crappy stuff is fine for reading but put it on a slower system, and its almost not even worth running it long term.




On 7/18/2018 7:09 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak
is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain
Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use
a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason,
mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that
I don't want.


I can't win.



On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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<steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the
same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Ervin, Glenn
 

Also, there are a couple devices that are like a case for your phone with a spin dial and the like so one does not have to use gestures.
Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Dear Eleni & List:

You do not have to use a touch screen to have a smart Phone.

Motorola makes smart phones with an actual keypad and so does Blackberry.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

It does not matter to me if something is popular, as long as it is accessible.
Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that they would
use What works for me? I am not going to use something that works
horribly to please everyone else. I do not need stereo recording, as
long as the sound is Clear. I usually avoid echo cancellation and
noise suppression, as I prefer Omnidirectional microphones which
capture everything, a and which have a Good, full sound. I am used to
everything from records to mp3 at no more Than 128 kbps and sometimes less, so I do not need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Team talk to prevent it
from being Extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying WhatsApp, but I don't know how
well the Web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to Work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy felt transferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer
in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. I wish this one
feature existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it was not designed for
that purpose. I think Team talk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between Team Talk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a Hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I would not use it
for talking, as it uses many data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so
bad you cannot use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas
team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a
stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played
around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have many rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to
a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my
stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to
the devil AKA MS. V 4X had great audio. MS broke it.

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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 - Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for
voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't
have. I have used zoom, and I see zero difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster, I would use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I
standby what I said. The audio is crap.

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*To:* NVDA List
*Subject:* Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It is not zoom quality but I can
understand what’s being said, and if I can do my job still I'll
take it. I actually love skype and I do use it on my podcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>>
wrote:

The audio quality is crap. Team Talk is better for what you want to do.

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<louvins@gmail.com <mailto:louvins@gmail.com>> *sent:*Monday,
July
16, 2018 2:36:56 PM *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
I am not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can
figure out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that
would be great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok.
Granted, I do not like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great
software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their
software, especially when it is not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of
regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I do not really like the
interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it is better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop! I tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than I
liked all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible
alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-
services/skype/
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Problem with Firefox - maybe use Edge instead?

Morne van der Merwe
 

Good day list,

 

This is going to be a quite lengthy email.  I will describe my problem as best as I can.  I’m running the latest version of NVDA as well as the laters version of Windows 10.

 

I downloaded Firefox extended version and installed it on my computer.  I saved quite an amount of bookmarks.  Last week I did something wrong and Firefox wasn’t my default browser anymore.  I went to my list of default programs in settings, but couldn’t find Firefox there.  Not even my sighted wife didn’t find it.  I went on Mozilla’s page and the solution I found was to uninstall Firefox and reinstall it again – which I did.  After reinstalling, I ended up with a folder on my desktop called “Old Firefox data.” 

 

Now I get to the problem.  Before I uninstalled Firefox, I got 36 bookmarks saved.  After the reinstallation, I bookmarked 3 new webpages.  They are not listed among the 36 bookmarks.  However, when I hit enter on “show all bookmarks”, then I find the last three bookmarks.  Only those three are in “show all bookmarks”.  All my other bookmarks is outside that folder.

 

Then I tried Edge.  But when I open Edge and press the alt-key to open the menu of Edge, nothing happens. 

 

Can somebody help me with the Firefox issue?  Or is it better to start using Edge?  I personally find Edge more rresponsive.  On the other hand, all my bookmarks are in Firefox.

 

Any help would be apreciated.

 

Kind regards

Morné

 

 


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

In other words, it's another example of, "Because it's how we've always done it."

I have no beef with JAWS nor am cheerleading for NVDA, but people get in thought boxes all the time and a great many never get out.

I agree that there are way more people who write JAWS scripts than NVDA scripts, and that's mostly the result of history, which one cannot change.  I don't think those people promote JAWS, per se, but they are available as a ready resource.

You also wrote, "but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.
I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time."  To which can only reply bravo to you and to your agency.  It certainly isn't something I've encountered here in Virginia, that's for sure.  My issue is with the fact that choices get made without any consideration as to what a client can or cannot afford to maintain on their own dime once the agency is out of the picture.   Screen readers are now in a place where the pace of change is faster than it had been for a very long time before which means that having the ability to update/upgrade over time is critical.   An individual client's situation, particularly if that situation does not involve gainful employment, needs to be considered when choosing assistive technology, but often isn't.

I will be very curious to see how much traction Narrator gains over the next several years as Microsoft appears to be deadly serious about developing this screen reader very actively and trying to make it keep up with the changes that are occurring in Windows 10 at the same time.  It's really a tectonic shift at Microsoft with regard to accessibility that's baked into the OS itself.   If nothing else, it will give myriad individuals a choice for a "backup screen reader" whenever their primary one decides it doesn't want to play well with something.  Just that often means the difference between success and failure at getting some small, yet critical, task completed.

It heartens me to see how many participants on this thread have stated clearly that there is no such thing as a "best" screen reader absent the context of where it's being used and for what purpose.  Each has times where it may be far better than another, but most are "pretty much the same" for mundane tasks, but life and work are not exclusively composed of mundane tasks, so finding which tool does a given specialized task the best can save a lot of time and frustration over the long term even if it takes a significant amount of time and frustration at the outset. 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi,

Are you using any add-ons? If so, what happens when you disable all add-ons at once (by restarting with add-ons disabled)? I assume this issue is present even after restarting your computer, and it may show up when trying to connect to all or certain sites. Is this correct?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I am using NVDA 2018.2.1 and Win 10 Home Version 1803.

 

On 19/07/2018 16:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



 

 


Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Stephen Costigan
 

I am using NVDA 2018.2.1 and Win 10 Home Version 1803.


On 19/07/2018 16:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


 



Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>