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Re: NVDA and FireFox Issues Partially Resolved

Lino Morales
 

You didn’t have to go through all that David. All you had to do was press alt plus T for tools then O for options. The first tab your on is the general tab. You’ll find the option that you needed their.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 7:14:27 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Issues Partially Resolved
 
Hello NVDA Group,

With the aid of my wife, we did a system restore, and I set the
updates in FireFox advance settings to off and be asked when they want
to be installed.
The first occurrence of this update, or whatever it is, occurred mid
morning, September 5, and all I heard was a beep tone and info that
FireFox was updating. Of course, unbeknownst to me, my settings were
then different. I was at dictionary.com trying to sign up for their
daily email.

I have three versions of NVDA on my Windows 7 computer. When I
activate the check for updates function as someone advised here
recently, it does not work.
I either have Firefox 60 or 62, not sure. This update is said to be
critical and I said, Ask later. It throws too much off in terms of
basic keyboard functions if accepted. Backspacing goes silent,
auto-signature cannot be read, etc. I don't need the hassle. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...




Re: Problems using NVDA with a Java application

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I've never tried this software, but why is this a problem? If something changes, the screen reader is supposed to let the user know it changed.  NVDA is doing exactly what it's supposed to do, where's the problem?

On 9/6/2018 6:38 AM, Radu Coravu wrote:
Hi,

I'm a developer working to provide better accessibility in a Java-based application called Oxygen XML Editor.
One of our end users uses our application with JAWS but he'd rather use it with NVDA.
So I started to use our application with NVDA, I have to say it looks like a better alternative, I even like the voice better.
There's one problem, our application has side views (see the attached screenshot) and whenever I move the cursor in the text content the "Outline" side view selects the appropriate node structure in its internal tree. We do that without giving explicit focus to the Outline view, but NVDA still reads the changes made in the Outline view whenever I move the cursor in the main text area.

Is there a setting in NVDA to prohibit it to announce changes in application components which are not keyboard focused?

I also reproduced the problem with a small Java application:

  public static void main(String[] args) {
    JFrame fr = new JFrame("AAA");
    fr.setSize(500, 500);
    JPanel panel = new JPanel(new GridBagLayout());
    GridBagConstraints c = new GridBagConstraints();
    c.gridy = 0;
    c.gridx = 0;
    JTree tree = new JTree();
    JTextArea jt = new JTextArea("SOME\na\nb\nctext");
    jt.addCaretListener(new CaretListener() {
      @Override
      public void caretUpdate(CaretEvent e) {
        tree.setSelectionRow(e.getDot() % 4);
      }
    });
    panel.add(jt, c);
    c.gridy++;
    panel.add(tree, c);

    fr.getContentPane().add(panel, BorderLayout.CENTER);
    fr.setVisible(true);
  }
moving the caret in the text area also moves the selection in the tree under it and sometimes NVDA reads the selection in the tree although the focus is always in the text area.

Regards,
Radu

Radu Coravu
<oXygen/> XML Editor
http://www.oxygenxml.com



Problems using NVDA with a Java application

Radu Coravu <radu_coravu@...>
 

Hi,

I'm a developer working to provide better accessibility in a Java-based application called Oxygen XML Editor.
One of our end users uses our application with JAWS but he'd rather use it with NVDA.
So I started to use our application with NVDA, I have to say it looks like a better alternative, I even like the voice better.
There's one problem, our application has side views (see the attached screenshot) and whenever I move the cursor in the text content the "Outline" side view selects the appropriate node structure in its internal tree. We do that without giving explicit focus to the Outline view, but NVDA still reads the changes made in the Outline view whenever I move the cursor in the main text area.

Is there a setting in NVDA to prohibit it to announce changes in application components which are not keyboard focused?

I also reproduced the problem with a small Java application:

public static void main(String[] args) {
JFrame fr = new JFrame("AAA");
fr.setSize(500, 500);
JPanel panel = new JPanel(new GridBagLayout());
GridBagConstraints c = new GridBagConstraints();
c.gridy = 0;
c.gridx = 0;
JTree tree = new JTree();
JTextArea jt = new JTextArea("SOME\na\nb\nctext");
jt.addCaretListener(new CaretListener() {
@Override
public void caretUpdate(CaretEvent e) {
tree.setSelectionRow(e.getDot() % 4);
}
});
panel.add(jt, c);
c.gridy++;
panel.add(tree, c);

fr.getContentPane().add(panel, BorderLayout.CENTER);
fr.setVisible(true);
}
moving the caret in the text area also moves the selection in the tree under it and sometimes NVDA reads the selection in the tree although the focus is always in the text area.

Regards,
Radu

Radu Coravu
<oXygen/> XML Editor
http://www.oxygenxml.com


Re: weird mozilla firefox update

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I use waterfox. It works great for me but I've used other browsers when I needed to for some situations.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] weird mozilla firefox update

yup
i think i might switch to crome, what u all think

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] weird mozilla firefox update


Hi.

well, there was an update aparently we are up to firefox 62x.





OT: mailing list for accessibility and HAM radio equipment?

Brian Tew
 

blind-hams@groups.io

They can tell you if any such list exists.


Re: weird mozilla firefox update

Ervin, Glenn
 

No one browser is the solution.
It has come to us needing to use multiple browsers to access different pages.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 7:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] weird mozilla firefox update

yup
i think i might switch to crome, what u all think

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] weird mozilla firefox update


Hi.

well, there was an update aparently we are up to firefox 62x.





Re: Options in Firefox 62

Giles Turnbull
 

thanks, Chris. I'm using Win10 and know where my Firefox user settings are so I'll give that a go :)


Re: Options in Firefox 62

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Gene,

thanks for those suggestions. I have found the custom url option and been able to set startpage as my home page now :)

I also managed to find the use current tabs option, which also appeared after I triggered the use custom URL option.

Thanks,

Giles #HappyAgain


Re: Special characters using NVDA

Ervin, Glenn
 

Another alternative is to use Jaws to paste the ones you want into an eMail message or a text file and save the file for later for copying and pasting.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 9:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters using NVDA

 

Hi Lino,

 

I'm not familiar with the Jaws special character entry, but there are several ways of entering alternate characters.

 

For learning Spanish, I would perhaps be inclined to install the Spanish language in Windows, including keyboard.  Then using WINDOWS+SPACEBAR you can change keyboard layout between languages.

 

Windows character map also works.  The symbol entry dialog in Word doesn't work overly well, but once you have entered symbols with it, to reuse them again is much easier.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Hi Joseph etc. Is their a way you or somebody who could create an issue on Github? Someone on a FB group I’m on wanted to know if this student she’s teaching can use the special characters like in JAWS I.E JAWS key plus 4. I know this doesn’t exist in NVDA. This student is learning Spanish and uses NVDA. Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



 

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Training and Support Manager

 

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Re: my OCR not working issue

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Do you know who was replying to the original thread? Was there a githubissue raised?
I do not recall the conversation and I do try to read a little of each. Might be an idea to quote part of the old discussion.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 2:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] my OCR not working issue


Hi just checking in with you to find out if development got back to your yet?

On the two folders you pass on to them that I sent you as to why my OCR future isn't working.

I hope they find out something soon cause if it is A future that people need to use it would be nice if it worked reliably.

So thank you for working with me on this and please let me know when you find something out.



--

Casey



Re: OT: mailing list for accessibility and HAM radio equipment?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I do not know of any lists but if you have a newsreader, as in usenet, I'm sure I've seen some of those still active, but they tend to be general.
All I know is that modern Icom radios like the 7300 being touch screen, need something called a hambox or similar made in the US that adds buttons etc for the inaccessible touch controls.
It also speaks.


What have you searched for?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>; <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 2:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] OT: mailing list for accessibility and HAM radio equipment?


Hi, sorry for the off topic post but I need to find out some info and can't seem to find this looking for myself.




Is there a mailing list for accessibility and HAM radio equipment? I found a small amount of info just searching for accessibility and HAM equipment but it just doesn't seem very detailed or useful for that matter.




Just a pointer to any lists would be very appreciated.





Thanks.




Dan Beaver



Re: NVDA and FireFox Issues Follow-up

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What is the status of Seamonkey these days?

Others would suggest getting used to Chrome which today apparently has a new skin look but should not affect the screenreader use.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Issues Follow-up


Well if this is mozilla and it could be, then these regressions need reporting.

I'd personally use waterfox myself which still works.



On 9/6/2018 11:36 PM, David Russell wrote:
Hello Members,

I just read through the recent digest with exchanges between Gene and Shaun.

The reply by Shaun best describes what occurred. I was at
dictionary.com and had just sent in an email request to subscribe.
Moments later, I heard a beep tone and was informed FireFox was
updating. It took a few moments.
I then had the option to change search engines, or do not change
search engines, and I chose do not change.
I was somewhat in surprise at all this occurring.
I googled something about updates and learned that malicious updates
are on the rise as Gene indicated.
Scrolling through the program menu, my browser was now identified as
just FireFox not Mozilla FireFox.
Settings were changed.
Keyboard functions such as backspace, hyphen, period, comma, were not
read when pressed. My auto-signature was not read when in email. I had
to forward tab once when going to a website to access the link wanted.
Shall I say more?

I later changed the update criteria in advance settings after
restoring my computer to an earlier time. Now, updates are told to me
when they want to occur and I either say yes or ask me later.

I cannot ascertain for certain if this is Mozilla or a hack.
Nonetheless, It appears Mozilla as known, is returned. It's supposed
update occurred in November 2017.
No background service is doing any installations for me under the
current criteria. I'll be darn careful and use my MS Security
Essentials regularly.


Re: NVDA and FireFox Update

Davy Cuppens
 

Hi folks

I will tell you what the update is about.

A gang of legal belgian hackers found a leak in firefox so that mallicious stuff or people can get access to your e-mail accounts on your pc. They reported the issue to Mozilla which immediately has brought out a patch to close the leak.
Regards
Davy

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
From: David Russell
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 11:17 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Hello Group Mem bers,

I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do I go
about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
not speak when pressed. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!


Re: NVDA and FireFox Issues Follow-up

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Although sort of accessible it can sometimes need you to use screen nav, superantispyware has found quite a few nasty things that msse has missed recently.
Its free, but does keep pestering you to register and honestly until they fix the access issues its probably not going to happen but underneath that its a good product to run manually from time to time. Others may also have their favourites.


I'm not quite sure how a Firefox update can change nvda options though, so wonder what else might be going on here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 12:36 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Issues Follow-up


Hello Members,

I just read through the recent digest with exchanges between Gene and Shaun.

The reply by Shaun best describes what occurred. I was at
dictionary.com and had just sent in an email request to subscribe.
Moments later, I heard a beep tone and was informed FireFox was
updating. It took a few moments.
I then had the option to change search engines, or do not change
search engines, and I chose do not change.
I was somewhat in surprise at all this occurring.
I googled something about updates and learned that malicious updates
are on the rise as Gene indicated.
Scrolling through the program menu, my browser was now identified as
just FireFox not Mozilla FireFox.
Settings were changed.
Keyboard functions such as backspace, hyphen, period, comma, were not
read when pressed. My auto-signature was not read when in email. I had
to forward tab once when going to a website to access the link wanted.
Shall I say more?

I later changed the update criteria in advance settings after
restoring my computer to an earlier time. Now, updates are told to me
when they want to occur and I either say yes or ask me later.

I cannot ascertain for certain if this is Mozilla or a hack.
Nonetheless, It appears Mozilla as known, is returned. It's supposed
update occurred in November 2017.
No background service is doing any installations for me under the
current criteria. I'll be darn careful and use my MS Security
Essentials regularly.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
"chilah phanim" Make G-d


Re: irc with braille

Jason White
 

Try irssi under Windows Subsystem for Linux, or if that isn't available to
you, I suppose Cygwin or msysv2.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Tew via
Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] irc with braille

Do yall know an irc client that works with braille?
My linux pc seems to have died; lightning maybe.
so may be forced to try windows.
I tried mirc and get audio but no braille.
Suggestions much appreciated. I have been ircing for 20+ years.
Would really miss it.


OT: mailing list for accessibility and HAM radio equipment?

Dan Beaver
 

Hi, sorry for the off topic post but I need to find out some info and can't seem to find this looking for myself.


Is there a mailing list for accessibility and HAM radio equipment?  I found a small amount of info just searching for accessibility and HAM equipment but it just doesn't seem very detailed or useful for that matter.


Just a pointer to any lists  would be very appreciated.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


my OCR not working issue

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi just checking in with you to find out if development got back to your yet?

On the two folders you pass on to them that I sent you as to why my OCR future isn't working.

I hope they find out something soon cause if it is A future that people need to use it would be nice if it worked reliably.

So thank you for working with me on this and please let me know when you find something out.



--

Casey


single key command for paragraph by paragraph navigation

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hi guys! I do a a lot of text reviewing and often I prefer to read paragraph by paragraph. Currently, we need to use Ctrl with up  or down arrow keys to do the same. Can you guys suggest me a way to assign a single key for this task? or is there an add-on for the same? It would be very convenient to replace a double key combo with just a single key command, like it is there in JAWS.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: weird mozilla firefox update

Don H
 

Each browser has it good and bad points.  I use Google Chrome more than any other and find Internet Explorer having more and more issues with certain web sites.

Just haven't really given  Edge a good try and really don't know why. other than stuck in my old habits

On 9/6/2018 7:35 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
yup
i think i might switch to crome, what u all think

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] weird mozilla firefox update


Hi.

well, there was an update aparently we are up to firefox 62x.








Re: weird mozilla firefox update

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

yup
i think i might switch to crome, what u all think

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] weird mozilla firefox update


Hi.

well, there was an update aparently we are up to firefox 62x.