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Re: possible long-standing bug

Gene
 

The add-on is evidently being used that disables the numpad in its default functions for NVDA review commands. If this is done, NVDA 7 does function as home, its default function in Windows if no program is using that key for its own purpose. It should be specified that the add-on is being used if it is. Saying something like have the numpad off is confusing and isn't accurate. The numpad is functioning, it is performing its Windows functions.

Gene

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug



This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it is not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know.

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On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've
noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily
using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads
things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the
numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the
home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a
while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while
control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that
it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the
document that you are made aware of the position change. Something
similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are
control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch
between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you
are working with until you take some other action on the sheet.
Bob


Re: possible long-standing bug

Gene
 

NVDA doesn't say something like home or top. You can tell by context and by knowing the command. You can have home spoken by turning on the speak command keys option in the keyboard settings, but I really don't think you want to do that, That option is so overly verbose that it is useless, speaking every time you press an arrow key, backspace, control arrow key, etc. There is no option for people who want certain specific commands spoken such as home and end and not have other commands spoken.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've
noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily
using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads
things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the
numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the
home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a
while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while
control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that
it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the
document that you are made aware of the position change. Something
similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are
control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch
between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you
are working with until you take some other action on the sheet.
Bob


Re: possible long-standing bug

Sarah k Alawami
 

This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it is not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've
noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily
using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads
things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the
numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the
home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a
while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while
control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that
it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the
document that you are made aware of the position change. Something
similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are
control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch
between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you
are working with until you take some other action on the sheet.
Bob


possible long-standing bug

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've
noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily
using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads
things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the
numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the
home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a
while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while
control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that
it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the
document that you are made aware of the position change. Something
similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are
control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch
between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you
are working with until you take some other action on the sheet.
Bob


Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Bob Cavanaugh
 

That worked brilliantly! I had to try a couple of settings in order to
get things where they needed to be, but now I'm able to read Groupon
emails without Outlook crashing and without excessive table
information. Sometimes it can be a little slower than I'm used to, but
I think I can get used to it for the hopefully short time I'm going to
have to deal with it. I've been moving away from Outlook for a couple
years now, but am just now getting around to cleaning things out.

On 11/21/20, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Bob,

Please go to the document formatting dialog which is under settings. Scroll
that tree view until you reach document formatting. There is no need for you
to do anything with input gestures.

Pranav








Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Bob, all,

I have had this issue and please try Quentin's suggestion of using the alpha build which resolved my problem.

Pranav


Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Bob,

Please go to the document formatting dialog which is under settings. Scroll that tree view until you reach document formatting. There is no need for you to do anything with input gestures.

Pranav


Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen

 

Sandra,

           I've been away for a couple of hours, and hope that you saw my apology long ago.  I had the proverbial "brain fart" and thought I was reading the Chat Subgroup at the time I saw your message and one other, that are indeed perfect for the main group, and was trying to redirect you to a place you already were.

           As the current saying goes, "My bad," and for that, I apologize again.
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Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen

Sandra Pilz
 

Brian,


Can you please help me to understand what the problem is?

I sent my request to nvda@nvda.groups.io. this is the only group I am subscribed to and aware of. I hardly ever use the groups.io website, and thought I had sent my message to the regular NVDA list. I thought it fell within the scope of the group, because I am having a problem with NVDA not talking as expected. So I am not sure where you think I should have sent my message instead and why.


Thanks


Sandra

Am 21.11.2020 um 18:30 schrieb Brian Vogel:

If it were within my power to move this topic to the main group I would, but, alas, Groups.io does not allow it.

I just want to put on record that this topic falls entirely within the group description of what is the focus of the NVDA Group (main group).  If you so desire, feel free to ask again there if Mr. Spivey and yourself don't come to a resolution here.  For the sake of emphasis, here's the portion of the NVDA Group description I'm referring to:

The central purpose of this group is discussing how to use NVDA.  This includes configuring NVDA's settings or familiarizing oneself with its modes and commands.  Discussions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, NVDA tutorials and documentation, and configuring synthesizers or Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted.
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Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi Tyler,


On the Logon Screen, you asked me to go to the select synthesizer dialogue and check if microsoft sound mapper was active. Yes, it is. When I just press enter, NVDA starts to talk.


So I'm not sure why id doesn't speak immediately on the Logon Screen...



Regards


Sandra

Am 21.11.2020 um 12:11 schrieb Tyler Spivey:

Let's check the obvious thing first. You've got a braille display, so this should be easy.
Reboot your machine and get to the logon screen.
Press ctrl+NVDA+s to open the Select Synthesizer dialog. Tab to Audio output  device.
1. Is it set to Microsoft Sound Mapper? If not, set it to that. Does speech come back?
If it is, just press enter. Does speech come back then?


On 11/21/2020 2:16 AM, Sandra Pilz wrote:
Hi,


I'm using the current version of NVDA on an Intel NUC. It has a HDMI-Port and I am using a HDMI to VGA adapter to connect to my monitor. This adapter has a regular 3.5 mm 1/8 inch plug which I use to connect to a pair of speakers. When I start the machine, at first NVDA doesn't speak when I'm on the logon screen. On my Braille display I can see that I'm indeed on the logon screen and that NVDA is running. Now, if I close NVDA and start it again, it does speak. So it is able to send speech through HDMI, just not when it starts automatically during logon.


Does anybody know why this is and how I could fix it? Up to now I just thought that the HDMI sound driver was no good and I used an external USB soundcard to have speech immediately, but now that I have discovered that it's not the HDMI sound driver, I would like to have NVDA speak on the log on screen reliably to free up the USB port the external sound card is currently plugged into.



Regards


Sandra




Apologies to Ms. Pilz, Mr. Przic, and Mr. Spivey

 

I'm having one of those days.  I would have sworn that I'd switched over to looking at the Chat Subgroup, and as a result was not paying any attention to anything other than the messages in the list, rather than the group I thought I was in.

You all can, and should, ignore my previous responses in regard to moving from the Chat Subgroup to the main group for your topics.  They were already there, and it's my own bone-headed mistake that made me think otherwise.

Again, I apologize for the clutter.
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Re: Switch Synth

 

Another topic that would be perfectly appropriate for the main group.  Not that it's a problem here, as anything within the realm of civil discourse goes here, but the purpose of the Chat Subgroup was really to route off-topic material off of the main group.

Questions regarding NVDA Add-Ons are absolutely fine on the main group, for future reference.

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Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen

 

If it were within my power to move this topic to the main group I would, but, alas, Groups.io does not allow it.

I just want to put on record that this topic falls entirely within the group description of what is the focus of the NVDA Group (main group).  If you so desire, feel free to ask again there if Mr. Spivey and yourself don't come to a resolution here.  For the sake of emphasis, here's the portion of the NVDA Group description I'm referring to:

The central purpose of this group is discussing how to use NVDA.  This includes configuring NVDA's settings or familiarizing oneself with its modes and commands.  Discussions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, NVDA tutorials and documentation, and configuring synthesizers or Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted.
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Re: Switch Synth

Tyler Spivey
 

Download version 1.03 from here. The website says 1.02, but it's actually 1.03.

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/switchSynth.en.html

On 11/21/2020 3:14 AM, Milos Przic wrote:
Hello all,
I am still using an older version of NVDA and an older version of the Switch Synth addon. It is very useful for me to have a few slots, ctrl+shift+nvda+1 through 6 to quickly go between defined languages. I really need such on-the-fly way to go between languages as I work with multilingual texts. So is the Switch Synth updated in the newer versions of NVDA since the development passed to Python 3? If not, how do people change languages quickly?
Thanks to everyone in advance for your response, and best regards!
          Miloš


Switch Synth

Milos Przic
 

Hello all,
I am still using an older version of NVDA and an older version of the Switch Synth addon. It is very useful for me to have a few slots, ctrl+shift+nvda+1 through 6 to quickly go between defined languages. I really need such on-the-fly way to go between languages as I work with multilingual texts. So is the Switch Synth updated in the newer versions of NVDA since the development passed to Python 3? If not, how do people change languages quickly?
Thanks to everyone in advance for your response, and best regards!
          Miloš


Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen

Tyler Spivey
 

Let's check the obvious thing first. You've got a braille display, so this should be easy.
Reboot your machine and get to the logon screen.
Press ctrl+NVDA+s to open the Select Synthesizer dialog. Tab to Audio output device.
1. Is it set to Microsoft Sound Mapper? If not, set it to that. Does speech come back?
If it is, just press enter. Does speech come back then?

On 11/21/2020 2:16 AM, Sandra Pilz wrote:
Hi,
I'm using the current version of NVDA on an Intel NUC. It has a HDMI-Port and I am using a HDMI to VGA adapter to connect to my monitor. This adapter has a regular 3.5 mm 1/8 inch plug which I use to connect to a pair of speakers. When I start the machine, at first NVDA doesn't speak when I'm on the logon screen. On my Braille display I can see that I'm indeed on the logon screen and that NVDA is running. Now, if I close NVDA and start it again, it does speak. So it is able to send speech through HDMI, just not when it starts automatically during logon.
Does anybody know why this is and how I could fix it? Up to now I just thought that the HDMI sound driver was no good and I used an external USB soundcard to have speech immediately, but now that I have discovered that it's not the HDMI sound driver, I would like to have NVDA speak on the log on screen reliably to free up the USB port the external sound card is currently plugged into.
Regards
Sandra


Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Bob,

Press the left alt key twice when NVDA does not speak within the worksheet after completing an operation. This should get NVDA speaking again.

To rename a worksheet. Switch to the worksheet you want to rename. Press left alt followed by h, o, r. This is the hot key sequent for sheet renaming. As Brian says, it is an office command, not NVDA's!


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Thanks for the tip, I'll try that in the next few days. Now for an update on my Excel issue, it's still not working properly despite disabling live preview. When inserting rows, NVDA still refuses to speak on returning to the workbook. As I said in my original message, moving away from the workbook and returning works, but I'd prefer to not do that. Also while we're on the topic of Excel, I have two questions not entirely related to NVDA, but I'm not sure how to go about getting answers.
1. I have two workbooks I need to edit monthly, both of which contain two sheets. The problem is they were created with different versions of Excel originally, so one uses control page up to move to the next sheet and one uses control page down. How do I reorder the sheets to make these accessible using the same command?
2. Is there a way to rename the sheets so that they're not just called sheet 1, sheet 2, etc?

On 11/19/20, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

I have dealt with this exact issue. Here is what you do.
1. Launch outlook.
2. Use the nvda key + n to bring up the nvda menu.
3. Navigate to the item called "configuration profiles."
4. In that dialogue, listen for what profile you are on. If it says
default, create a new profile. If it says outlook, exit the dialog.
5. Assuming you need to create a new profile, do not give it a name
but arrow to the set of radio buttons and choose "current application outlook."
6. Exit the dialogue.
7. Follow the instructions other list members have given for disabling
the reporting of table formatting.
8. Ensure you save the profile.
9. Try reading the newsletter.
10. You should find that the excessive reporting of layout messages is
gone.

When you swap out of outlook, you will find that the document
formatting has returned to the original way it was set because the
configuration profile has changed to the default or whatever else you have defined.

I find profiles a really handy feature.

Pranav












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NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi,


I'm using the current version of NVDA on an Intel NUC. It has a HDMI-Port and I am using a HDMI to VGA adapter to connect to my monitor. This adapter has a regular 3.5 mm 1/8 inch plug which I use to connect to a pair of speakers. When I start the machine, at first NVDA doesn't speak when I'm on the logon screen. On my Braille display I can see that I'm indeed on the logon screen and that NVDA is running. Now, if I close NVDA and start it again, it does speak. So it is able to send speech through HDMI, just not when it starts automatically during logon.


Does anybody know why this is and how I could fix it? Up to now I just thought that the HDMI sound driver was no good and I used an external USB soundcard to have speech immediately, but now that I have discovered that it's not the HDMI sound driver, I would like to have NVDA speak on the log on screen reliably to free up the USB port the external sound card is currently plugged into.



Regards


Sandra


Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Okay, I'm still confused about how to change things. I was able to
create a new configuration profile as described in the message below,
but when I go to the input gestures dialog, I get a large tree with a
bunch of options. Under document formatting, I see one way at the
bottom that says "toggles on and off the reporting of table cell
coordinates," which is what I want. However, I don't see any way to
change it. When I press enter on that, I'm returned to the window I
was in prior to activating the dialog, in this case my Deleted Items
folder in Outlook. When I press space on this, nothing happens, and
when I hit the okay button, I'm returned t Outlook, where NVDA still
reports table layout configurations.

On 11/19/20, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

I have dealt with this exact issue. Here is what you do.
1. Launch outlook.
2. Use the nvda key + n to bring up the nvda menu.
3. Navigate to the item called "configuration profiles."
4. In that dialogue, listen for what profile you are on. If it says default,
create a new profile. If it says outlook, exit the dialog.
5. Assuming you need to create a new profile, do not give it a name but
arrow to the set of radio buttons and choose "current application outlook."
6. Exit the dialogue.
7. Follow the instructions other list members have given for disabling the
reporting of table formatting.
8. Ensure you save the profile.
9. Try reading the newsletter.
10. You should find that the excessive reporting of layout messages is
gone.

When you swap out of outlook, you will find that the document formatting has
returned to the original way it was set because the configuration profile
has changed to the default or whatever else you have defined.

I find profiles a really handy feature.

Pranav








Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Thanks Brian, I'll look at that tomorrow. Do you have any suggestions
for me regarding my issue with NVDA not speaking after inserting a row
into an existing worksheet?

On 11/20/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Bob,

First, I am going to refer you out to another group for Excel related
questions moving forward, when those questions aren't somehow directly tied
with using NVDA with Excel:

Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group

* Post: office-accessibility@groups.io
* Subscribe: office-accessibility+subscribe@groups.io
* Unsubscribe: office-accessibility+unsubscribe@groups.io
* Group Owner: office-accessibility+owner@groups.io
* Help: office-accessibility+help@groups.io

With regard to your 2 workbooks, I have no idea which one was created in an
older version of Excel, but all you need to do is do a Save As and choose
the xlsx file for the version you're running.

For renaming worksheets:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rename a worksheet - Excel (
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/rename-a-worksheet-3f1f7148-ee83-404d-8ef0-9ff99fbad1f9
)

Moving forward, please take Excel (or any MS-Office Suite) questions to the
above noted group, or another of your choosing, when that's what's the focus
rather than NVDA.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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