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Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward
Per documentation whichI hope is present in the manual, the document only shown 1 screen at a time. If and only if the document can show up on 1 screen will the whole thing show up else you only see the screen with maybe that one sentence that ocr was able to capture. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 22 Nov 2020, at 5:16, Marisane Moruthanyana wrote:
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Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward
Gene
NVDA only recognizes what is on the screen. JAWS can recognize an entire document but that isn't a capability of NVDA.
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Gene
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From: Marisane Moruthanyana Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 7:16 AM To: nvda Subject: [nvda] your help Hi gurus I trust you are well. I am trying to cope. I am troubled by nvda. I cannot understand why nvda does not show up all the information even after the OCR process has been made. It says that the document has been recognised, but only a sentence or a page is shown up. Why is that? How do I make it do that? Please help. Wally from SA
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NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward
Marisane Moruthanyana
Hi gurus
I trust you are well. I am trying to cope. I am troubled by nvda. I cannot understand why nvda does not show up all the information even after the OCR process has been made. It says that the document has been recognised, but only a sentence or a page is shown up. Why is that? How do I make it do that? Please help. Wally from SA
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Re: possible long-standing bug
Gene
I didn't make this clear in my last message. Whenever an add-on is being used or something else is being used or done that might alter the effect of how something works, it should be stated in a message dealing with the thing or process that is altered. Even if it seems unimportant, it should be stated that this or that is being used. While I said in my last message that is inaccurate to talk about the numpad being off, even if that had been stated, saying that the add-on is being used would have made what is being described completely clear to those who know what the add-on does.
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Often, reports of technical probllems are made not as clear as they would be if infrmation about what is being used or details of what is being done are omitted. My comments about the inaccuracy of the description aren't meant to be negatively critical nor single someone out. Often, such information as something being used that changes something or information detailing what is done is omitted from possible problem reports, which makes the understanding of what the problem may be unclear. Gene
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From: Gene Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 1:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug The add-on is evidently being used that disables the numpad in its default functions for NVDA review commands. If this is done, NVDA 7 does function as home, its default function in Windows if no program is using that key for its own purpose. It should be specified that the add-on is being used if it is. Saying something like have the numpad off is confusing and isn't accurate. The numpad is functioning, it is performing its Windows functions. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it is not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote: Hi all, Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the document that you are made aware of the position change. Something similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you are working with until you take some other action on the sheet. Bob
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Re: possible long-standing bug
Gene
The add-on is evidently being used that disables the numpad in its default functions for NVDA review commands. If this is done, NVDA 7 does function as home, its default function in Windows if no program is using that key for its own purpose. It should be specified that the add-on is being used if it is. Saying something like have the numpad off is confusing and isn't accurate. The numpad is functioning, it is performing its Windows functions.
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Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it is not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote: Hi all, Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the document that you are made aware of the position change. Something similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you are working with until you take some other action on the sheet. Bob
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Re: possible long-standing bug
Gene
NVDA doesn't say something like home or top. You can tell by context and by knowing the command. You can have home spoken by turning on the speak command keys option in the keyboard settings, but I really don't think you want to do that, That option is so overly verbose that it is useless, speaking every time you press an arrow key, backspace, control arrow key, etc. There is no option for people who want certain specific commands spoken such as home and end and not have other commands spoken.
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From: Bob Cavanaugh Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:13 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] possible long-standing bug Hi all, Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the document that you are made aware of the position change. Something similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you are working with until you take some other action on the sheet. Bob
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Re: possible long-standing bug
This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it is not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
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possible long-standing bug
Bob Cavanaugh
Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the document that you are made aware of the position change. Something similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you are working with until you take some other action on the sheet. Bob
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Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016
Bob Cavanaugh
That worked brilliantly! I had to try a couple of settings in order to
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get things where they needed to be, but now I'm able to read Groupon emails without Outlook crashing and without excessive table information. Sometimes it can be a little slower than I'm used to, but I think I can get used to it for the hopefully short time I'm going to have to deal with it. I've been moving away from Outlook for a couple years now, but am just now getting around to cleaning things out.
On 11/21/20, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob,
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Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016
Bob, all,
I have had this issue and please try Quentin's suggestion of using the alpha build which resolved my problem. Pranav
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Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016
Bob,
Please go to the document formatting dialog which is under settings. Scroll that tree view until you reach document formatting. There is no need for you to do anything with input gestures. Pranav
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Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen
Sandra,
I've been away for a couple of hours, and hope that you saw my apology long ago. I had the proverbial "brain fart" and thought I was reading the Chat Subgroup at the time I saw your message and one other, that are indeed perfect for the main group, and was trying to redirect you to a place you already were. As the current saying goes, "My bad," and for that, I apologize again. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind. ~ Thomas Reed Powell
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Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen
Sandra Pilz
Brian,
Can you please help me to understand what the problem is? I sent my request to nvda@nvda.groups.io. this is the only group
I am subscribed to and aware of. I hardly ever use the groups.io
website, and thought I had sent my message to the regular NVDA
list. I thought it fell within the scope of the group, because I
am having a problem with NVDA not talking as expected. So I am not
sure where you think I should have sent my message instead and
why.
Thanks
Sandra Am 21.11.2020 um 18:30 schrieb Brian
Vogel:
If it were within my power to move this topic to the main group I would, but, alas, Groups.io does not allow it.
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Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen
Sandra Pilz
Hi Tyler,
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On the Logon Screen, you asked me to go to the select synthesizer dialogue and check if microsoft sound mapper was active. Yes, it is. When I just press enter, NVDA starts to talk. So I'm not sure why id doesn't speak immediately on the Logon Screen... Regards Sandra Am 21.11.2020 um 12:11 schrieb Tyler Spivey:
Let's check the obvious thing first. You've got a braille display, so this should be easy.
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Apologies to Ms. Pilz, Mr. Przic, and Mr. Spivey
I'm having one of those days. I would have sworn that I'd switched over to looking at the Chat Subgroup, and as a result was not paying any attention to anything other than the messages in the list, rather than the group I thought I was in.
You all can, and should, ignore my previous responses in regard to moving from the Chat Subgroup to the main group for your topics. They were already there, and it's my own bone-headed mistake that made me think otherwise. Again, I apologize for the clutter. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind. ~ Thomas Reed Powell
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Re: Switch Synth
Another topic that would be perfectly appropriate for the main group. Not that it's a problem here, as anything within the realm of civil discourse goes here, but the purpose of the Chat Subgroup was really to route off-topic material off of the main group.
Questions regarding NVDA Add-Ons are absolutely fine on the main group, for future reference. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind. ~ Thomas Reed Powell
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Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen
If it were within my power to move this topic to the main group I would, but, alas, Groups.io does not allow it.
I just want to put on record that this topic falls entirely within the group description of what is the focus of the NVDA Group (main group). If you so desire, feel free to ask again there if Mr. Spivey and yourself don't come to a resolution here. For the sake of emphasis, here's the portion of the NVDA Group description I'm referring to: The central purpose of this group is discussing how to use NVDA. This includes configuring NVDA's settings or familiarizing oneself with its modes and commands. Discussions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, NVDA tutorials and documentation, and configuring synthesizers or Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind. ~ Thomas Reed Powell
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Re: Switch Synth
Tyler Spivey
Download version 1.03 from here. The website says 1.02, but it's actually 1.03.
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https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/switchSynth.en.html
On 11/21/2020 3:14 AM, Milos Przic wrote:
Hello all,
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Switch Synth
Milos Przic
Hello all,
I am still using an older version of NVDA and an older version of the Switch Synth addon. It is very useful for me to have a few slots, ctrl+shift+nvda+1 through 6 to quickly go between defined languages. I really need such on-the-fly way to go between languages as I work with multilingual texts. So is the Switch Synth updated in the newer versions of NVDA since the development passed to Python 3? If not, how do people change languages quickly?
Thanks to everyone in advance for your response, and best regards!
Miloš
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Re: NVDA doesn't speak on Windows Log-on Screen
Tyler Spivey
Let's check the obvious thing first. You've got a braille display, so this should be easy.
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Reboot your machine and get to the logon screen. Press ctrl+NVDA+s to open the Select Synthesizer dialog. Tab to Audio output device. 1. Is it set to Microsoft Sound Mapper? If not, set it to that. Does speech come back? If it is, just press enter. Does speech come back then?
On 11/21/2020 2:16 AM, Sandra Pilz wrote:
Hi,
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