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Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Carlos,

 

Thanks for the response!

 

Yes, I see that windows update has kicked off a problem like this in the past. So, Ill try out the advice on fixing the com registration and see how that goes. Failing that, I could back windows to a version prior to the latest update.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of CARLOS-ESTEBAN
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

 

Hello.

Is possible that the Com Registration Fixing Tool work good.

But in the last versions of Windows 10, in somme cases, this tool work but NVDA says unknown, not read in the browser and other programs, and the user need restore Windows to default.

Regards.


Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el

uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.

 

 

El mar., 7 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 17:02, Sean (s.tolstoyevski@...) escribió:

Try Run COM Registration Fixing tool...

On 08/07/2020 00:40, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,

 

Just as in 2018 under issue #33784  NVDA says “unknown instead of reading any content in Firefox and Chrome. It does work in Edge. All latest version of windows 10, Firefox, Google Chrome, Easy keys, and NVDA 2020.1.

 

The earlier issue seemed to relate to a windows update but I don’t think there was an update in this case today.

 

Can anyone point to a solution? This problem began only about one week ago.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Shaun,

 

Thanks, for the reply! Ill have a go at that. I see that Gene NZ has posted a step by step guide on how to do that. Lets hope that fixes it!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

 

Try Run COM Registration Fixing tool...

On 08/07/2020 00:40, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,

 

Just as in 2018 under issue #33784  NVDA says unknown instead of reading any content in Firefox and Chrome. It does work in Edge. All latest version of windows 10, Firefox, Google Chrome, Easy keys, and NVDA 2020.1.

 

The earlier issue seemed to relate to a windows update but I dont think there was an update in this case today.

 

Can anyone point to a solution? This problem began only about one week ago.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

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Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian,

 

Thanks, yes, thats my first step. Thanks for the response its much appreciated.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers

 

Cearbhall,

           Have you tried restarting NVDA with all add-ons disabled and seeing if the issue persists?   If not, try that.  If the issue stops, then use Add-Ons Manager to disable (but not remove) all of your add-ons and then re-enable them one by one until the issue recurs.

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Re: thunderbird just broke!

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Is it only in mozilla thunder bird or do you have fire fox as well.


Does it happen in other browsers? or down near the running applications area in windows? Does the applications key work?



If it was only in fire fox and thunder bird I did have a problem like that a while back.




It ended up been a corrupt ini file in either fire fox or thunder bird that caused it.


A uninstall the usual way did not fix it so you had to go into the %appdata% section to do it.


Then reinstall the program.


See what others say first.


Gene nz

On 9/07/2020 6:42 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird.  It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages.  I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this.  I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal?  It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part.  Hope someone can help.


Roger




thunderbird just broke!

Roger Stewart
 

I've just tried running Narrator, and it reads Thunderbird proberly.  I've also found that this problem exists in Firefox now as well.  I did try running the com registry tool and that didn't help at all.

Roger


Re: thunderbird just broke!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Roger,


Youcould try unstalling thunderbird and then reinstall it. Hopefully that will fix theproblem.


Rosemarie

On 7/8/2020 11:42 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird.  It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages.  I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this.  I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal?  It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part.  Hope someone can help.


Roger




thunderbird just broke!

Roger Stewart
 

Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird.  It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages.  I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this.  I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal?  It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part.  Hope someone can help.


Roger


Re: Read-all problem with a website

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
but he likely doesn't use speech as his primary means of information gathering like we do.
Certainly not for computer access, anyway!!

I have corresponded with Giles off-list, but what I'm about to say is from my side, and not private.  I am often astounded at the speech rates from synthesized speech that's comprehensible to many blind users of screen readers.  I've had a number of clients where I cannot understand a blessed thing that's being said at the rate they're comfortable listening at, and fully comprehending what they're hearing.

But when your primary sense mechanism for computer presented information is audition, you're bound to get much, much better with that.  It reminds me (age alert here) of when I used to see women in transcription pools sitting at their typewriters with their Dictaphone headsets on.   Many (most, probably) had typing rates at or above 100 words per minute, and would listen to the dictated content they were transcribing at just about that rate when doing so.  I could no sooner do either of those things, listening or typing at that rate, than fly to the moon under the power of my own arms!
 
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Re: Read-all problem with a website

Jackie
 

Giles, Brian V is a sighted adaptive technologist. He's very good at
what he does, & he is incredibly helpful to us on so many levels, but
he likely doesn't use speech as his primary means of information
gathering like we do.

On 7/8/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:23 PM, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:


chrome://flags
This page, the flags page, is available in all Chromium-based browsers I've
tried so far.  What's even more interesting is if you paste this address in
on new Edge or on Brave it will automatically convert the "chrome:" portion
to the correct specifier for the browser in question.

Under Brave, it's got straight enable reader mode like Chrome does.

Edge has two separate bits related to what the call immersive reader.

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platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019



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Re: Read-all problem with a website

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:23 PM, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:
chrome://flags
This page, the flags page, is available in all Chromium-based browsers I've tried so far.  What's even more interesting is if you paste this address in on new Edge or on Brave it will automatically convert the "chrome:" portion to the correct specifier for the browser in question.

Under Brave, it's got straight enable reader mode like Chrome does.

Edge has two separate bits related to what the call immersive reader.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Read-all problem with a website

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Sorry for not say how use the reader mode.
When the reader mode is enabled, you can press f6. Here, press tab two times and press the button enable reader mode (or similar name, I have all in spanish).
Regards.

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El mié., 8 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 12:22, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías (carlosestebanpianista@...) escribió:
Hello.
The solution is the reader mode of the browser.
In chrome, go to the page chrome://flags. In edit box search write reader mode. In the option reader mode, select enabled in the combo box and press the button relaunch.
Regards.

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El mié., 8 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 11:53, Joseph Lee (joseph.lee22590@...) escribió:
Hi,
Report dynamic content changes setting is most effective in terminals, but
that's about to change to include web applications (not in a distant
future).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

> personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker
> box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web
> design speak) at the

They used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element.

Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few
ways to implement them.
I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report
dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this.

Luke








Re: Read-all problem with a website

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hello.
The solution is the reader mode of the browser.
In chrome, go to the page chrome://flags. In edit box search write reader mode. In the option reader mode, select enabled in the combo box and press the button relaunch.
Regards.

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El mié., 8 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 11:53, Joseph Lee (joseph.lee22590@...) escribió:
Hi,
Report dynamic content changes setting is most effective in terminals, but
that's about to change to include web applications (not in a distant
future).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

> personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker
> box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web
> design speak) at the

They used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element.

Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few
ways to implement them.
I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report
dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this.

Luke








Re: Read-all problem with a website

 

Hi,
Report dynamic content changes setting is most effective in terminals, but
that's about to change to include web applications (not in a distant
future).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker
box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web
design speak) at the
They used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element.

Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few
ways to implement them.
I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report
dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this.

Luke


Re: Read-all problem with a website

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web design speak) at the
They used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element.

Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few ways to implement them.
I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this.

Luke


Re: Read-all problem with a website

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Brian,

thank you for listening to the audio file. I've recorded a second version at a slower pace in case you'd like to listen again. It's funny, I have had blind friends who listen much faster than I do, so I always assume I'm at the slower end of the blind reading-speeds chart!

The slower-rate mp3 file is at this link:
http://gilesturnbullpoet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Pulse-article-A-Question-of-Trust-2.mp3

Thanks for the suggestion about the reader mode for a browser. I have heard of this and tried it once when it was mentioned recently, but I haven't tried it on the website I'm having issues with.

Giles


Re: Read-all problem with a website

Gene
 

I just looked at what you are discussing. It is either not specified to be an Aria live region or it is sset to off. I don't hear any text spoken when it changes, though I can read the line repeatedly and hear it change.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 10:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 06:01 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
https://pulsevoices.org/index.php/stories/a-question-of-trustBy any chance, are you hearing the phrases, or part of the phrases:
fostering the humanistic practice of medicine
encouraging health care advocacy
publishing personal accounts of illness and healing?

There is a single "ticker box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web design speak) at the very top of the page that keeps alternating between these phrases once every several seconds.

If you're using a browser that has a reader mode, I'd definitely suggest trying it before commencing reading the page.

I tried listening to your recording, and a big thanks for that, but the reading rate is a bit more rapid than I can follow.

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Re: Read-all problem with a website

Amir
 
Edited

Sometimes single words are repeated, but most notably the first few words of most sentences are omitted, and NVDA picks up reading from the middle of the third or fourth word.

Cheers,
Amir


Re: Read-all problem with a website

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 06:01 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
https://pulsevoices.org/index.php/stories/a-question-of-trust
By any chance, are you hearing the phrases, or part of the phrases:
fostering the humanistic practice of medicine
encouraging health care advocacy
publishing personal accounts of illness and healing? 

There is a single "ticker box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web design speak) at the very top of the page that keeps alternating between these phrases once every several seconds.

If you're using a browser that has a reader mode, I'd definitely suggest trying it before commencing reading the page.

I tried listening to your recording, and a big thanks for that, but the reading rate is a bit more rapid than I can follow.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Read-all problem with a website

Amir
 

Greetings,

I can duplicate this using Chrome 83 official and the latest NVDA alpha release (20514). Some words are omitted and some words are repeated in continuous reading, and it seems to be TTS-independent. I first thought the website might refresh (something which might generate such issues while reading), but it seems that no refresh is at work, or at least I can't notice it.

Best,
Amir


Re: Read-all problem with a website

Gene
 

I don't know what is causing the problems. Try a different synthesizer. I don't know what voices are available to you but you should be able to test with e-speak. If you want to hear the article read by the same voice you are using, try selecting the page once its loaded, control a, then copying it to the clipboard.
Open Notepad and paste it in. Search for the beginning of the article, or for the title, something you know is there and that will be easy to find. You can probably just search for two, three, or maybe four words of the title or the first sentence. In this case, I just searched for the words a question.

You shouldn't have any problems reading in Notepad.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 5:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website

Hi all,

I subscribe to a regular email called Pulse, Writings from the world of Medicine. Their emails have recently changed so that you get to read the first paragraph and then have to visit a website to read the rest of the article.

I find that this website doesn't work very smoothly with NVDA using the Read All method, and I'm wondering if other people have the same result.

so you can hear what I hear, I recorded the first few paragraphs and the mp3 file is saved on my website space. What you'll hear is that the end few words of a paragraph get repeated at the start of the next paragraph, and sometimes good chunks of a sentence don't get spoken at all (the text not being spoken isn't quite so evident in the mp3 extract, but it was very noticeable further down the article). This is the link to my mp3 extract:
http://gilesturnbullpoet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Pulse-article-A-Question-of-Trust.mp3

And this is the link to the actual website article:
https://pulsevoices.org/index.php/stories/a-question-of-trust

Just to clarify, the repeated words are not repeated in the actual text, and the skipped words are present in the actual text.

In the recording I'm using the SAPI5 voice Zira at speed 85, and I can confirm it is also producing the same effects at slower speeds, as it is if I change the voice to SAPI5 voice Hazel. I'm using NVDA Version: 2020.1, windows 10 Version 1903 (OS Build 18362.900), and am getting these effects in both Mozilla Firefox version 78.0.1 (64-bit) and Google Chrome (which is up to date) Version 83.0.4103.116 (Official Build) (64-bit)

Does anybody know if this is an NVDA issue, or if it's something I can report to the Pulse organisation for them to hopefully sort out?

Thanks,

Giles