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Re: can't watch a DVD

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I use VLC media player most of the time.

Although I’m not sure the “open with” method actually works in this case. I will have to test it. I usually access through the media menu in VLC.

 

Try Media Player first I suppose, since you probably already have that. I never use that programme but I admit VLC can present a bit of a challenge for first-time users.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: September 4, 2018 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I know I have a CD DVD drive on this computer but I can't watch a documentary my sister gave me for my birthday. Is there something I might not be doing right? I don't want to have to tell my sister that I can't watch the documentry. It's supposed to be a really good documentary about the life of Janis Joplin.

 

Thanks for any help you can give in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: can't watch a DVD

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'll give it a shot and see whar happens.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

 

You should be able to watch it with Windows Media Player, or a third-party program, like VLC media player I think it is called.

If you open computer and arrow down to the DVD drive, use your applications key and arrow to “open with” and select a program for media.

HTH.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I know I have a CD DVD drive on this computer but I can't watch a documentary my sister gave me for my birthday. Is there something I might not be doing right? I don't want to have to tell my sister that I can't watch the documentry. It's supposed to be a really good documentary about the life of Janis Joplin.

 

Thanks for any help you can give in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: can't watch a DVD

Ervin, Glenn
 

You should be able to watch it with Windows Media Player, or a third-party program, like VLC media player I think it is called.

If you open computer and arrow down to the DVD drive, use your applications key and arrow to “open with” and select a program for media.

HTH.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I know I have a CD DVD drive on this computer but I can't watch a documentary my sister gave me for my birthday. Is there something I might not be doing right? I don't want to have to tell my sister that I can't watch the documentry. It's supposed to be a really good documentary about the life of Janis Joplin.

 

Thanks for any help you can give in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


can't watch a DVD

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I know I have a CD DVD drive on this computer but I can't watch a documentary my sister gave me for my birthday. Is there something I might not be doing right? I don't want to have to tell my sister that I can't watch the documentry. It's supposed to be a really good documentary about the life of Janis Joplin.

 

Thanks for any help you can give in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

To be honest, automatic brouse mode is not a problem unless you have weird form controls.

For example 9 times out of 10 I actually want it on automatically when say entering data, usernames, passwords, blog posts.

I have only run into issues where controls refuse to work in the way I expect it.

It can do it if it randomly needs it to but mostly caps space to turn it off or on as needed is all.

On 9/5/2018 9:00 AM, Kwork wrote:
I agree, and I find it unfortunate that NVDA's automatic browse mode is

On by default. I can see that, for a new user, that they might get stuck, and not yet know the correct keys to push to get themselves out. Even as a more seasoned user, one of the first things I do is to turn that off.
Travis
9/4/2018 10:34 AM, Gene wrote:
Yes, it does so automatically and I think that is a terrible feature to have on when teaching someone to use the Internet.  the person has enough to learn without worrying about things like that arrowing causes this to occur and that tabbing doesn't.  I don't know what happens when you move using quick navigation commands but I suspect you stay in browse mode.  It would be really inconvenient if you wanted to move by edit field until you find the one you want and to have browse mode turn off every time you type e. And not using this automation allows the user to reinforce the difference between browse mode and forms mode and when you use which because changing the mode is not automatic.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ervin, Glenn <mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 04, 2018 10:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Does NVDA have an auto edit mode in web pages like JFW?
I usually arrow down the page and Jaws automatically goes into edit mode when it moves into an edit field.
The only time this is a pain is when I'm on a page with a lot of edit fields, and I can't seem to get out of them because every time I arrow down the page it pongs into another one.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.

On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


This thread has continued on and on for 2 lists.  I don't normally use
Blind Mice Mega Mall, but since everyone is commenting on its alleged
lack of accessibility, I thought I would give it a go.


Here is my analysis.  If I use the straight up/down arrow keys to
navigate the page, when I reach a form field such as on the 'e-mail
the mart' page, I am able to easily identify the form fields and fill
them out.  This is a bit cumbersome, because you have to move in and
out of forms/browse mode.  It is usable and thus, I feel that slamming
the company for total inaccessibility is quite harsh and is
unwarranted.  If however, I use browse/forms mode to begin with, as
reported by several others, the form field do not read the labeling
properly.  This is something I will report to the site owners via
e-mail.  We shall see if it does any good.


For this test, I am running Windows 10with both JAWS and NVDA and with
the Edge and Firefox for browsers.


On 8/31/2018 5:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "brian"
<sackriderbrian45@gmail.com <mailto:sackriderbrian45@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I
guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
when they should know better there is just no excuse for this
problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be
ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all
screen readers and all brousers.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use
with screen readers. That's a disgrace!

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

    Hi, Brian,

    This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook
that
    has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
    I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that
site.

    Rosemarie

    *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
    *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

    Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
    have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
    hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

    Brian Sackrider

    On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

        I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
        using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
        problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such
problem.

        Gene

        ----- Original Message -----

        *From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@gmail.com>

        *Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

        *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

        When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit
box
        to edit
        box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest
version
        of fire
        fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when
I
        tab from
        edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with
add ons
        disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been
going
        on for
        years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
        occures in
        every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
        for email
        newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know
what
        information is required in each edit box this makes the
site not
        accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of
nvda
        and the
        latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

        Brian Sackrider















Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Kwork
 

I agree, and I find it unfortunate that NVDA's automatic browse mode is

On by default. I can see that, for a new user, that they might get stuck, and not yet know the correct keys to push to get themselves out. Even as a more seasoned user, one of the first things I do is to turn that off.
Travis
9/4/2018 10:34 AM, Gene wrote:

Yes, it does so automatically and I think that is a terrible feature to have on when teaching someone to use the Internet.  the person has enough to learn without worrying about things like that arrowing causes this to occur and that tabbing doesn't.  I don't know what happens when you move using quick navigation commands but I suspect you stay in browse mode.  It would be really inconvenient if you wanted to move by edit field until you find the one you want and to have browse mode turn off every time you type e.  And not using this automation allows the user to reinforce the difference between browse mode and forms mode and when you use which because changing the mode is not automatic. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Does NVDA have an auto edit mode in web pages like JFW?
I usually arrow down the page and Jaws automatically goes into edit mode when it moves into an edit field.
The only time this is a pain is when I'm on a page with a lot of edit fields, and I can't seem to get out of them because every time I arrow down the page it pongs into another one.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.

On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
>
> This thread has continued on and on for 2 lists.  I don't normally use
> Blind Mice Mega Mall, but since everyone is commenting on its alleged
> lack of accessibility, I thought I would give it a go.
>
>
> Here is my analysis.  If I use the straight up/down arrow keys to
> navigate the page, when I reach a form field such as on the 'e-mail
> the mart' page, I am able to easily identify the form fields and fill
> them out.  This is a bit cumbersome, because you have to move in and
> out of forms/browse mode.  It is usable and thus, I feel that slamming
> the company for total inaccessibility is quite harsh and is
> unwarranted.  If however, I use browse/forms mode to begin with, as
> reported by several others, the form field do not read the labeling
> properly.  This is something I will report to the site owners via
> e-mail.  We shall see if it does any good.
>
>
> For this test, I am running Windows 10with both JAWS and NVDA and with
> the Edge and Firefox for browsers.
>
>
> On 8/31/2018 5:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian"
>> <sackriderbrian45@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
>>
>>
>>> I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I
>>> guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
>>> when they should know better there is just no excuse for this
>>> problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be
>>> ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all
>>> screen readers and all brousers.
>>>
>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
>>>> accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use
>>>> with screen readers. That's a disgrace!
>>>>
>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *brian
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
>>>> fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
>>>> accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
>>>> tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.
>>>>
>>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi, Brian,
>>>>
>>>>     This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook
>>>> that
>>>>     has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
>>>>     I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.
>>>>
>>>>     Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
>>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>     Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
>>>>     have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
>>>>     hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.
>>>>
>>>>     Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>     On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
>>>>         using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
>>>>         problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>         Gene
>>>>
>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>         *From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>
>>>>
>>>>         *Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM
>>>>
>>>>         *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>>         *Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>         When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit
>>>> box
>>>>         to edit
>>>>         box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest
>>>> version
>>>>         of fire
>>>>         fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when
>>>> I
>>>>         tab from
>>>>         edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with
>>>> add ons
>>>>         disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been
>>>> going
>>>>         on for
>>>>         years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
>>>>         occures in
>>>>         every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
>>>>         for email
>>>>         newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know
>>>> what
>>>>         information is required in each edit box this makes the
>>>> site not
>>>>         accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of
>>>> nvda
>>>>         and the
>>>>         latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.
>>>>
>>>>         Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>







Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


actually you can install xp in a 7 environment.
You use winnt32.exe with command line switches.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene
 

Perhaps someone else who knows more technically will say whether you can install XP using a 32 bit Windows 7 environment.  I really doubt it but we'll see.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

The one from Brian Smart has both the basic and the mega, the basic I believe is 32 bit.

If you download the one from the “files” page that I am unable to access from work, they have both 32 and 64 bit for 7 & 10.

Brian Smart’s version is running Eloquence, and the Files page runs eSpeak.

There are partitioning tools, password tools, and more.

The one from Brian Smart includes the mega and the basic and some installation software for the ISO images, maybe 3 or 4 GB there, and the Files page has all versions individually available, and probably a bit over a gig each.  Those are set up with executable installers.

I opened the .EXE archive and copied out the ISO image, because I burn them to USB and use a different tool for that.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I don't know anything about the tools.  But do you have to be running the environment to run the tools or can you run them on your machine without the environment running?  I have no idea what the tools are or if the person will find them of use, but the question was whether the environment can be used to install XP.  How long does it take to download the environment with a reasonable download speed and learn what is necessary to try running it?  I see no reason to believe this is a 32 bit environment since it is used to install 64 bit Windows 7. 

 

I have no objection to people learning about the tools.  If you explain something about them, some people may be interested and want to try them.  But I very much doubt the environment can be used as the person wishes.  I don't even think it will run at all.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 

 

People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


Pages recently updated
Recently updated: Added a tutorial called The basics of making a ticket for NVACCESS on the NVDA audio tutorials page

under trouble shooting.

Gene nz



On 9/08/2018 5:14 AM, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:

Actually there are 5 different menues in Skype Electron.

All the menues access with alt key.

Alt+e for edit menue.

Alt+f for file menue.

Alt+h for help menue.

Alt+t for tool menue.

And alt+v for view menue respectively.

For details, go to those menues and discover how much those menues are accessible.

I’m very sorry to let you know that most of us do not like to spend sometimes to explore new things and want to stick with old technology.

At the end all I can is “No gain without pain”!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...

Inamuddin.ronaque@...

outlook:
inam092@...

yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...

Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598 

+92-334-3348409

 

 

From: Hareth
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

 

The Skype support page lags these hotkeys for Skype 8:

ALT plus F.

for a menu contains some features or options

ALT plus E

For the edit menu.

ALT plus T

for the tools menu.

ALT plus H

For the help menu.

 

 

 

On 8/7/18, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io <charlsdarwin1969@...> wrote:

> This key command will work for  both the things!

> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

> Charlsdarwin1

> You can contact me via gmail:

> inamuddin09@...

> Inamuddin.ronaque@...

> outlook:

> inam092@...

> yahoo:

> inamuddin2010@...

> Add my Skype ID:

> charlsdarwin1

> Meet me on facebook:

> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

> Follow me on my twitter ID:

> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

> Call me on my cell numbers:

> +92-300-2227598

> +92-334-3348409

> From: Gene New Zealand

> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 7:40 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> Hi

> Is that not to make a call? I would have to go back and check when i checked

> the short cuts i did not see any to answer. so this one works to answer a

> call?

> I wonder if any of the old short cuts would work? at moment i just get it to

> automatically answer it is alot easier.

> Gene nz

> On 8/7/2018 12:01 PM, David Moore wrote:

> Hi Gene!

> Try CTRL+Shift+P

> It worked for me in Skype 8.25 as well as the Win10 app of Skype!!

> David Moore

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Gene New Zealand

> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 5:34 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> Hi

> I have not gone through all the short cuts for skype either I copied the

> list from them and tried a few of them but not all. it just might be a focus

> thing with nvda not speaking that shorcut when preformed?

> Gene nz

> On 8/7/2018 9:24 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

> Hi

> I just had a quick look under the skype 8 short cut keys hopefully i googled

> the right list for skype 8 for desk top it mentions short cut keys for other

> stuff in skype. the list can be found here at

> https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

> At the moment so i do not have to be in the screen under the calling section

> i think it is under your profile you can check the boxes to have it

> automatically answer in coming calls and videos that is what i have done at

> present.

> I thought also some one on this list said there was another short cut that

> worked but until it can be confirmed in this version by some one else i then

> will add it. It when i had a quick look did not mention a short cut for

> answer in coming calls or video calls may be still to be added?

> I do not mind the automatically answer part saves rushing and trying to

> figure which part of the screen to be in. It would of made sense to have

> left the old short cut keys from skype 7 in it.

> Gene nz

> On 8/6/2018 11:30 PM, Dr. arvind singh brar wrote:

> hi,

> could you mention the shortcut key to answer a skype c

> This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.

> Homepage;

> http://tip.simpl.com/

> On 6 Aug 2018, at 16.02, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>

> wrote:

> Hi,

> RE: Recently added on accessibilitycentral.net

> Recently added a tutorial (both written and audio) for Skype 8 desktop for

> Windows, using the NVDA screen reader.

> A link to the page can be found below:

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

> Regards,

> Gene NZ

> On 7/11/2018 11:19 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

> Hi,

> RE: Recently added on accessibilitycentral.net

> The following tutorials have been added to the NVDA audio tutorials page:

> How to completely uninstall NVDA from your computer

> Addon troubleshooting

> A link to the page can be found below:

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

> Regards,

> Gene NZ

> On 5/31/2018 9:27 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

> Hi,

> RE: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> I have added the following to all NVDA related pages - For a variety of NVDA

> related resources from around the world,

> please visit the NVDA screen reader related resources page at the following

> link NVDA screen reader related resources

> Regards,

> Gene NZ

> On 5/6/2018 12:43 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:

> Dear Gene,

> this is grat idea. It will be helpful for many people. Now I hope google

> translate will improve more in the near future.

> Best

> Adriani

> Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New

> Zealand

> Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2018 07:56

> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> Hi Adriani

> I have just added a link to the google translate page for other languages on

> the main web page.

> You can jump down by letter H to its heading then go down to the link then

> press the enter key where it will take you to another page.

> For some reason i could not put in a plug in to do it and it wanted it on

> every page so have gone down this other route. There is a heading that says

> some thing like translate this website to another language and a link to the

> translate page. The default language is english and the website main page is

> already in the edit section to translate. it is then a matter of changing it

> to another language then having it translate to it. Just after the language

> combo box you want it to go to is where you can read it in another language.

> it also seems if you click on one of the links the next page is also

> translated but only on that page i have it pointing to off my website.

> You will see what i mean when it is translated.

> it may help? for people where english is not there first language like

> mine.

> Not sure if the steps on what to do is enough or should i add a little more

> or hopefully it is clear enough on what to do.

> Gene nz

> On 4/13/2018 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:

> Dear Gene,

> thank you for your great job. This is very important for the whole

> community. I have forwarded your links to the german community and in the

> translations group.

> I hope I will find some time during next week to provide you some

> suggestions.

> I propose to split the related sources in “development sources” and “user

> specific sources”. In this way we could add links to github and bitbucket as

> well.

> Best

> Adriani

> Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New

> Zealand

> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2018 10:10

> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> Hi Adriani

> There is a under construction page that went up tonight for nvda screen

> reader related resources off the main website at

> http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

> When more resources get added there may be links off the nvda related web

> pages on my website that point to that page.

> I have a rough idea of categories for the resources.

> These can be changed  or added to.

> Gene nz

> On 3/25/2018 5:02 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

> Hi Adriani

> Yep I am looking at doing a page for nvda screen reader related resources

> which i will add it into which will be a separate web page. In that page I

> will break it down into say audio resources, video resources maybe nvda

> blogs? about using nvda? Not quite sure of other sections if i do and would

> be more a point to page but not jeffs one.

> Even though he had a good site.

> I am guessing we do  have links to other nvda resources like on you tube etc

> but not in the one place.

> Gene nz

> On 3/5/2018 9:22 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:

> Gene,

> thanks for including that. I wonder if Joseph’s new tutorials set “welcome

> to NVDA 2018” can be included as well?

> Best

> Adriani

> Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New

> Zealand

> Gesendet: Montag, 5. März 2018 03:21

> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> Hi Adriani

> I was not sure if it worked on XP as when the directions went up i think at

> that time it had been tested on 7,8 and 10.

> Would the directions from 10 also work on XP? to get into it as i used to do

> it the other way that was posted.

> I have not any XP machines here now to test with.

> The directions you gave are on the nvda audio tutorials page under trouble

> shooting.

> Gene nz

> On 3/4/2018 11:45 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:

> Hello,

> we had this conversation some months ago, here is a gegistry file which

> activates your sound driver in safe mode. It has been tested with XP as well

> and it works perfectly. NVDA can be used in safe mode after activating this

> file:

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1

> Best

> Adriani

> Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New

> Zealand

> Gesendet: Samstag, 3. März 2018 19:47

> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> Hi

> the old way to get into safe mode in windows 10 can be found here at

> https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-boot-to-safe-mode-with-command-prompt-2624541

> You will need a pair of eyes to do this plus you might not even have sound.

> So am guessing you will need to burrow some eyes and give them directions to

> fix the problem.

> Gene nz

> On 3/4/2018 2:58 AM, zahra wrote:

> hi gene thanks so much for your great work of you and other members.

> how can i access safe mode in windows xp with nvda?

> does it have solution for users of xp?

> thanks so much every one and God bless you all!

> On 3/3/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

> HI guys

> Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> RECENTLY UPDATED:

> Added a link to all NVDA related pages for the new NVDA promotional video.

> Added a link to the addons page for the NVDA Add-on developers guide which

> has been updated for 2018.1

> Added a review of the Samsung UA50MU6100SXNZ television to the podcasts and

> product reviews page

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/podcasts%20and%20product%20reviews.html

> NEW:

> Added a page called Skype Trusted Microsoft Store App (off the NVDA

> tutorials for other programs page)

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

> as well as a page called Using Windows Media Player with NVDA.

> Gene NZ

> On 12/13/2017 12:59 PM, David Moore wrote:

> Hi Gene NZ!

> Thanks so much for what you do for us!

> God bless!

> David Moore

> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

> 10

> From: Gene New Zealand<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>

> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:01 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Subject: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> Hi guys

> Pages recently updated

> Recently updated: Added links to NVDA Guides on all NVDA related pages

> New: Added a tutorial How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with

> the NVDA screen reader by Hareth  and co to the NVDA audio tutorials page

> under the troubleshooting section

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html Added a

> tutorial (by Gene Asner) called Navigating ribbons in WordPad (to the NVDA

> tutorials learning the basics page)

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20learning%20the%20basics.html

> Added a tutorial called Using the Ribbon interface in Windows via the

> keyboard (by Brian Vogel) to the NVDA tutorials for Windows 10 page.

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html

> Gene NZ

> --

> [Image                NVDA certified expert]

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related

> material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the

> NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,

> please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> --

> [Image NVDA          certified expert]

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related

> material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the

> NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,

> please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> --

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> --

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> --

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

>

 

 

 



Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

The one from Brian Smart has both the basic and the mega, the basic I believe is 32 bit.

If you download the one from the “files” page that I am unable to access from work, they have both 32 and 64 bit for 7 & 10.

Brian Smart’s version is running Eloquence, and the Files page runs eSpeak.

There are partitioning tools, password tools, and more.

The one from Brian Smart includes the mega and the basic and some installation software for the ISO images, maybe 3 or 4 GB there, and the Files page has all versions individually available, and probably a bit over a gig each.  Those are set up with executable installers.

I opened the .EXE archive and copied out the ISO image, because I burn them to USB and use a different tool for that.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I don't know anything about the tools.  But do you have to be running the environment to run the tools or can you run them on your machine without the environment running?  I have no idea what the tools are or if the person will find them of use, but the question was whether the environment can be used to install XP.  How long does it take to download the environment with a reasonable download speed and learn what is necessary to try running it?  I see no reason to believe this is a 32 bit environment since it is used to install 64 bit Windows 7. 

 

I have no objection to people learning about the tools.  If you explain something about them, some people may be interested and want to try them.  But I very much doubt the environment can be used as the person wishes.  I don't even think it will run at all.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 

 

People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene
 

I don't know anything about the tools.  But do you have to be running the environment to run the tools or can you run them on your machine without the environment running?  I have no idea what the tools are or if the person will find them of use, but the question was whether the environment can be used to install XP.  How long does it take to download the environment with a reasonable download speed and learn what is necessary to try running it?  I see no reason to believe this is a 32 bit environment since it is used to install 64 bit Windows 7. 
 
I have no objection to people learning about the tools.  If you explain something about them, some people may be interested and want to try them.  But I very much doubt the environment can be used as the person wishes.  I don't even think it will run at all.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 

 

People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 

 

People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene
 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 
 
People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene
 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.
 
And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
I would just use a talking WinPE.
WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
Leepaisomboon
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Hi all,
Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
last phase of the Windows 7 setup?





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I personally don't use the autoforms mode setting as I prefer to go in and out of forms or focus mode when working with edit boxes. Yes, I agree that it's important to learn how to work with edit boxes by reinforcing forms mode or focus mode rather than use the automatic setting.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

Yes, it does so automatically and I think that is a terrible feature to have on when teaching someone to use the Internet.  the person has enough to learn without worrying about things like that arrowing causes this to occur and that tabbing doesn't.  I don't know what happens when you move using quick navigation commands but I suspect you stay in browse mode.  It would be really inconvenient if you wanted to move by edit field until you find the one you want and to have browse mode turn off every time you type e.  And not using this automation allows the user to reinforce the difference between browse mode and forms mode and when you use which because changing the mode is not automatic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

Does NVDA have an auto edit mode in web pages like JFW?
I usually arrow down the page and Jaws automatically goes into edit mode when it moves into an edit field.
The only time this is a pain is when I'm on a page with a lot of edit fields, and I can't seem to get out of them because every time I arrow down the page it pongs into another one.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.

On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
>
> This thread has continued on and on for 2 lists.  I don't normally use
> Blind Mice Mega Mall, but since everyone is commenting on its alleged
> lack of accessibility, I thought I would give it a go.
>
>
> Here is my analysis.  If I use the straight up/down arrow keys to
> navigate the page, when I reach a form field such as on the 'e-mail
> the mart' page, I am able to easily identify the form fields and fill
> them out.  This is a bit cumbersome, because you have to move in and
> out of forms/browse mode.  It is usable and thus, I feel that slamming
> the company for total inaccessibility is quite harsh and is
> unwarranted.  If however, I use browse/forms mode to begin with, as
> reported by several others, the form field do not read the labeling
> properly.  This is something I will report to the site owners via
> e-mail.  We shall see if it does any good.
>
>
> For this test, I am running Windows 10with both JAWS and NVDA and with
> the Edge and Firefox for browsers.
>
>
> On 8/31/2018 5:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian"
>> <sackriderbrian45@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
>>
>>
>>> I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I
>>> guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
>>> when they should know better there is just no excuse for this
>>> problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be
>>> ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all
>>> screen readers and all brousers.
>>>
>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
>>>> accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use
>>>> with screen readers. That's a disgrace!
>>>>
>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *brian
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
>>>> fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
>>>> accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
>>>> tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.
>>>>
>>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi, Brian,
>>>>
>>>>     This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook
>>>> that
>>>>     has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
>>>>     I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.
>>>>
>>>>     Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
>>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>     Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
>>>>     have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
>>>>     hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.
>>>>
>>>>     Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>     On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
>>>>         using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
>>>>         problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>         Gene
>>>>
>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>         *From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>
>>>>
>>>>         *Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM
>>>>
>>>>         *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>>         *Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>         When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit
>>>> box
>>>>         to edit
>>>>         box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest
>>>> version
>>>>         of fire
>>>>         fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when
>>>> I
>>>>         tab from
>>>>         edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with
>>>> add ons
>>>>         disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been
>>>> going
>>>>         on for
>>>>         years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
>>>>         occures in
>>>>         every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
>>>>         for email
>>>>         newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know
>>>> what
>>>>         information is required in each edit box this makes the
>>>> site not
>>>>         accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of
>>>> nvda
>>>>         and the
>>>>         latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.
>>>>
>>>>         Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>






Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene
 

Yes, it does so automatically and I think that is a terrible feature to have on when teaching someone to use the Internet.  the person has enough to learn without worrying about things like that arrowing causes this to occur and that tabbing doesn't.  I don't know what happens when you move using quick navigation commands but I suspect you stay in browse mode.  It would be really inconvenient if you wanted to move by edit field until you find the one you want and to have browse mode turn off every time you type e.  And not using this automation allows the user to reinforce the difference between browse mode and forms mode and when you use which because changing the mode is not automatic. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Does NVDA have an auto edit mode in web pages like JFW?
I usually arrow down the page and Jaws automatically goes into edit mode when it moves into an edit field.
The only time this is a pain is when I'm on a page with a lot of edit fields, and I can't seem to get out of them because every time I arrow down the page it pongs into another one.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.

On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
>
> This thread has continued on and on for 2 lists.  I don't normally use
> Blind Mice Mega Mall, but since everyone is commenting on its alleged
> lack of accessibility, I thought I would give it a go.
>
>
> Here is my analysis.  If I use the straight up/down arrow keys to
> navigate the page, when I reach a form field such as on the 'e-mail
> the mart' page, I am able to easily identify the form fields and fill
> them out.  This is a bit cumbersome, because you have to move in and
> out of forms/browse mode.  It is usable and thus, I feel that slamming
> the company for total inaccessibility is quite harsh and is
> unwarranted.  If however, I use browse/forms mode to begin with, as
> reported by several others, the form field do not read the labeling
> properly.  This is something I will report to the site owners via
> e-mail.  We shall see if it does any good.
>
>
> For this test, I am running Windows 10with both JAWS and NVDA and with
> the Edge and Firefox for browsers.
>
>
> On 8/31/2018 5:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian"
>> <sackriderbrian45@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
>>
>>
>>> I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I
>>> guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
>>> when they should know better there is just no excuse for this
>>> problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be
>>> ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all
>>> screen readers and all brousers.
>>>
>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
>>>> accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use
>>>> with screen readers. That's a disgrace!
>>>>
>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *brian
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
>>>> fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
>>>> accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
>>>> tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.
>>>>
>>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi, Brian,
>>>>
>>>>     This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook
>>>> that
>>>>     has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
>>>>     I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.
>>>>
>>>>     Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
>>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>     Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
>>>>     have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
>>>>     hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.
>>>>
>>>>     Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>     On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
>>>>         using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
>>>>         problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>         Gene
>>>>
>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>         *From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>
>>>>
>>>>         *Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM
>>>>
>>>>         *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>>         *Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>         When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit
>>>> box
>>>>         to edit
>>>>         box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest
>>>> version
>>>>         of fire
>>>>         fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when
>>>> I
>>>>         tab from
>>>>         edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with
>>>> add ons
>>>>         disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been
>>>> going
>>>>         on for
>>>>         years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
>>>>         occures in
>>>>         every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
>>>>         for email
>>>>         newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know
>>>> what
>>>>         information is required in each edit box this makes the
>>>> site not
>>>>         accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of
>>>> nvda
>>>>         and the
>>>>         latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.
>>>>
>>>>         Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>







Re: Issue with Firefox

Gene
 

There may be something that is a problem with how firefox works with the site.  Whether it is firefox or NVDA, I have no idea.  But when you turn browse mode off on any site, never assume where you are.  Always check by reading the current line, by shift tabbing and then tabbing or the opposite, tabbing and shift tabbing, to see if you are where you were in browse mode.  You can never assume that you will always be in the same place. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Issue with Firefox

To all lister
Using NVDA 2018.2.1 with Firefox 61.2.0 (portable version), Recently I surfed a website created using drupal. When I press E to jump to an edit field, and press Space to switch to focus mode, NVDA sometimes responds slowly, or lose the focus. Thus I might activate the wrong object on the web. Don't know this is the problem from NVDA with that firefox version or not so I post here. If this is an issue, hope this would be fixed. If anybody know how to solve, please show me the step.
Cuong
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Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
I would just use a talking WinPE.
WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
Leepaisomboon
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Hi all,
Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite? If it
is possible, is there any command line switches to make the install silent
so that it can be installed automatically during the last phase of the
Windows 7 setup?




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