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Re: Updated the accessible applications wiki again.

David Mellor
 

Very many thanks for doing this work Robert!
David
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: 29 August 2018 15:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Updated the accessible applications wiki again.

I learned, while editing the below wiki, that I can't create sub-pages of the main page. Aw poop! Anyway, given that Zoom will get some enhancements with the next NVDA, I added Zoom, including their accessibility email, to the page. I am gonna change the title of the page later today to, accessible applications. I've removed old links, as well. I am gonna do more updates later today. What I wish github would allow me to do is to create sub pages for the main pages. This way I can break the wiki up into tiny sections. I may just break it up later with headings and stuff. Anyone can edit the below page as long as they have a git hub account so if anybody wants to edit after me go ahead. I'm debating on adding programs that will become accessible later on, like OE Classic.


https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Application-Support


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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This though is surely an option on how you set up select and action the file. I often find mine changed back if a sighted person has used the mouse.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


I don't use Windows 10. Nothing is selected when I move by object and I have to use two issuances, as I said. I can use the command once on a web page on a link or control on the page but in a list like this, where something must be selected, I have to use two commands.

Gene
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From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Actually, that works, and does make looking through snappier for sure. If a large folder, I'll press the letter where I need to go that'll be close to the file name, then use what you described to get there.

One slight correction to your instructions, and it's slight: numpad enter once both selects the folder/file entry and opens it. I also thought it would take two to go through the selection and activation process. It scared me when a file started playing immediately. LOL!

Travis


On 9/2/2018 12:25 PM, Gene wrote:

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.

Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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The worst part of this sluggish problem is actually that you can action the wrong file as often nvda is reading a different file than the one highlighted when you hit enter and yet that keypress activates the file highlighted yet to be spoken by nvda.
Its a little awkward as I had a batch file in a list that deleted everything from a dropbox folder that had the suffix .mp3, and hence I if that file got highlighted when I thought I was playing a file, everything ended up in the recycle bin instead!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Yeah--I was gonna suggest that. :).

On 9/2/18, Kwork <istherelife@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, maybe it's time to remember and take my own advice that I gave
Jackie the other day that helped resolve her Firefox selection problem.
I didn't think of add-ons

Whether it works, what Gene advised is working better than how I was
doing things. It, just, gets, old, when, each, file, and, folder, name,
has, an, extra, pause, inserted, before, each.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

Hi,

Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.

Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for
a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15
minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no
slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000
subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an
add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out is that I
have very, very few add-ons installed!

Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.

Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along
with the latest stable version of NVDA.

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I
don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest
of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.
Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a
Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA
developers to solve it.

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object,
which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad
insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through
the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When
you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command
numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select
the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when
he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are
first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which
is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis





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Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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What about other things though, One assumes that if an alert from a background process does not use uia, then one would still hear it? I'm thinking about download completed sounds for example instead of breeps.
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From: "Kwork" <istherelife@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Thank you Tyler. That's an answer that makes sense to me.


"This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small
price to pay for a working system."


I'd be ok with that, a small price as you say.


People with System Access seem to be fine as well.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 1:19 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
The fault lies with both Microsoft and NVDA.
As far as I understand it, here's the issue. With UIA, you can tell it
which events you want to be notified about, and for which windows.
NVDA decided that it was going to listen to certain events from every
window on the system, and not just the one that had the focus. That
doesn't sound too bad, until...
If another application on the system isn't responding fast enough, UIA
stops notifying NVDA of events if NVDA is listening to certain
properties of that window (I think it was name and value change).

I'll lay out a simple, real-world example:
1. I start uploading a file in WinSCP.
2. I switch away from WinSCP into File Explorer. I guess WinSCP doesn't
respond fast enough to UIA, so UIA decides not to send NVDA events for
anything anymore. From then on, until that upload finishes or I close
WinSCP, my File Explorer won't read properly, nor will alt+tab or
anything else that depends on UIA.
This particular example isn't as bad as I thought, but my UIA does stop
responding for a few seconds at a time, and it's definitely noticeable.

I've heard that the next version of Windows 10 tries to fix this.
However, if NVDA simply listened to events from the currently running
application, I think this would be a much less severe problem.
This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small
price to pay for a working system.
Also, JAWS and Narrator don't have this problem, only NVDA.
For more info, see issue 8535 and its linked issues:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8535

On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Hi,


Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.


Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a
long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes
going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down
at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was
as quick as one which only had one or two in it!


The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an
add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out is that I have
very, very few add-ons installed!


Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.


Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with
the latest stable version of NVDA.


Cheers

Richard Bartholomew



*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I don't
use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my
general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who
know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem
or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.


Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which
it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert
numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the
list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you
want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad
insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select the
item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she
double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first
selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the
same sequence a mouse user follows.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis




Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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I believe I read that Jaws turns this off by default. I read it somewhere recently.
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From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@gmail.com> wrote:
Secondly, though,I don't find this slowness either with NVDA - I don't use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I've just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all - one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

One cause of the slowness has been linked to having the preview pain turned on while running file explorer. Press alt+v and look through the view ribbon to determine the pane's state.


Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Wow. CDBXP? OpenCandy? Never thought the two would ever be said together in the same sentence. Real shame. Just goes to reinforce why I always prefer portables over installers these days, if even once-reputable devs can start shipping garbage like that. Then again, look at the downhill plummet that CDex has taken...
Cheers,
Damien.

On 03/09/2018 10:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Actually more recent versions of the opencandy are not too bad at all, and even if you do not use unchecky, you will find that any other thing it installs will be easy to remove. Its not as annoying as the CCleaner mash up.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

Well you will need to use the installer without opencandy forgot where you get that but yeah its good.



On 9/3/2018 4:00 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi,
There is another one which I use called CDBurnerXP (www.cdburnerxp.se).
Cheers,
Damien.

On 02/09/2018 04:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I use a program called anyburn and it's fairly easy to work with. Anyburn is free and you can get it from www.anyburn.com.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

I have had constant problams with burning cd-disks since Windows 2010.
I seem to be able to copy files to the entitle place but the burning doesn't start.
Any advices?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@gmail.com











Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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Can you use 10 windows explorer with a portable copy of nvda?
I've never used Jaws with 10, so cannot say about its foibles.
However in addition to the UIA buffering issue, there are the perennial processor idling speed problems plus the windows indexing of open folders that seems a bit slower than in 7, which itself was slow in 7 as well, and any kind of other fancy animations running like sliding, fading and all of that to consider.

In the case of ribbons, yes there is a ribbon remover program for 10, but every time windows does a major update it will need to be run again. It also does not totally emulate windows 7, some of the options seem not to be there.

If you look up ribbon remover you should find it.

I just wish Microsoft would make the menu type a choice as it clearly is more intuitive for sighted users, but not for view restricted blind ones.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files in File
Explorer, if I don't just become impatient and restart NVDA altogether,
which does solve the probem temporarily, is to down arrow through the
files because some of them I know from going through them before what
they are, and just entering on the one I think is the one I want. If it
isn't, I just hit backspace and keep going. I've found ways to deal with
this File Explorer sluggishness, but it can be a pain. And I really hate
to say this because I love NVDA, but it doesn't do this in System
Access. System Access has its own quirks in Windows 10, though, one of
which drives me even more batty than the sluggish File Explorer list not
being read quickly by NVDA, and sometimes not even at all, does, and
that is what I call the dead insert key. I can live with a sluggish file
explorer; I cannot live without my insert key. Another thing that helps
is simply to close file explorer altogether and reopen it. I'm trying to
figure out a pattern for why it does this, but I can't seem to. It
*really* does it with Dropbox, though; in fact, when I copy and paste a
file or folder from Dropbox into somewhere else on my computer, I just
automatically restart NVDA. I don't even mess with it. So yeah, I've
figured out ways to deal with it and I can live with it, but glorious
will be the day when it no longer happens. I'll celebrate! Honestly! LOL!

Annette


On 9/2/2018 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I
don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of
my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others
who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft
problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve
it.
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object,
which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad
insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through
the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When
you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command
numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select
the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when
he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are
first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which
is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Kwork <mailto:istherelife@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis






Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA

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Actually more recent versions of the opencandy are not too bad at all, and even if you do not use unchecky, you will find that any other thing it installs will be easy to remove. Its not as annoying as the CCleaner mash up.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA


Well you will need to use the installer without opencandy forgot where you get that but yeah its good.



On 9/3/2018 4:00 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi,
There is another one which I use called CDBurnerXP (www.cdburnerxp.se).
Cheers,
Damien.

On 02/09/2018 04:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I use a program called anyburn and it's fairly easy to work with. Anyburn is free and you can get it from www.anyburn.com.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

I have had constant problams with burning cd-disks since Windows 2010.
I seem to be able to copy files to the entitle place but the burning doesn't start.
Any advices?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@gmail.com










Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA

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I use cdburner xp, which works on windows 10 despite the name and is a whole lot easier to use than most other software I've found. It also allows removal of inter track gaps while preserving the markers.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 3:09 PM
Subject: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA


I have had constant problams with burning cd-disks since Windows 2010.
I seem to be able to copy files to the entitle place but the burning doesn't start.
Any advices?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason
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Re: Merging and autoducking 2 tracks in Audacity

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It is easy with Goldwave as there is a voice over option on the menus. I'm also told that Reaper is good as its a non destructive editor, but I have the demo of that here and seem to be unable to even get it to stay set to my sound device between sessions. I think that particular program is like a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Merging and autoducking 2 tracks in Audacity


Hi all, I apologise in advance as I do know that this is not a list for
Audacity, but I would really appreciate it if anyone can help. I have 2
tracks which I need to merge together, one is a music track, the other is
speech, what I need to try to do is put the 2 together so that when I start
to speak the music track continues to play but just at a lower level. Does
anyone know how to do this using Audacity and NVDA?

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Re: kody

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Speank on is a self voicing media player application for windows.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] kody


what is speak on?

I have heard of kody but not speak on before


On 9/2/2018 2:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
OK the fact that its multi platform makes me think that its not been made with any API in mind at all, and this is a worry.

However they do say some things about a web interface for it, so I did wonder if one might be able to control it like that in some way. Obviously I've not tried it as I've only just heard of it, but being open source and one supposes it has a forum and probably some email addresses for queries, your questions about the accessibility are probably better directed there
Apart from Mozilla who do attempt to make their code specific to the operating system and hence its API I have not had much luck with these sort of programmes in the past, sadly.

Media library front ends are notoriously odd and most of those used on home entertainment systems tend to be touch screen or graphic based.

It could be that the so called screenreader is some kind of self voicing interface written similar to the way SpeakOn works.
If its not installing then maybe its something to raze with the authors.
Brian
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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] kody


hi there. can someone please help me with kody? its not talking with nvdA or jaws. you can install a skreenreader for it. but I doent know ware to get the skreenreader, and how to install it. can you please help me? if you want to ad me on skype, its adel.spence or you can email me at: adel.spence12@gmail.com
i'm wateing for your ancers






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Re: kody

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
In order to go well, You should install the kodi16 package, with that package then you can update to kodi17.
The problem is that I never was be able to make NVDA speaking with kodi17...

Il 02/09/2018 00:40, Adel Spence ha scritto:
hi there. can someone please help me with kody? its not talking with nvdA or jaws. you can install a skreenreader for it. but I doent know ware to get the skreenreader, and how to install it. can you please help me? if you want to ad me on skype, its adel.spence or you can email me at: adel.spence12@gmail.com <mailto:adel.spence12@gmail.com>
i'm wateing for your ancers


Re: A bug to repport: NVDA works harder in Windows Explorer for some users.

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Well I think often the issue is one of the routines in IE are used by other parts of the windows system, so although the browser is old and Edge is being used for more modern html in 10, many third party applications depend on those older routines.

However I would say that if the issues are occurring in windows explorer, ie the file browser then that is a whole other case to consider and the basis often runs into a number of things. Animations not turned off in windows and apps
Idle speed of the processor in windows set too low
Programs that do not terminate correctly and stay running when you go to another part of windows. A look at processes and application use of the processor in task manager or the system resources nvda add on can be instructive.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A bug to repport: NVDA works harder in Windows Explorer for some users.


In my opinion the delelopers should not put resourses to fix something
for a webbrowser wich is all most near to be faced out. So how would if
you who complain instead should tart using Firefox instead? Very good
webbrowser and accessible.



Den 2018-09-01 kl. 22:35, skrev Florian Ionașcu:
Yeah, I'm using Windows 10. I know only one of them as a Windows 10 user.


Re: make nvda axcessable with blues tacks

Sirajudin Sulaiman
 

FOR who want the blues tacks links you can find at www.bluestacks.com               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: {NVDA} Problems installing NVDA 2018.2.1 on a Win 10 Computer

Hermann-Josef Kurzen
 

Hi Quentin,

I don't install snapshots on computers I use for everydays work. On the machine in question there has never been any version of NVDA.
In the mean time I created a portable version and it works fine. I will try a snapshot on another machine next weekend.

Thank You for the hint.


Greetings - Hermann





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Gesendet: Montag, 03. September 2018 um 01:19 Uhr
Von: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] {NVDA} Problems installing NVDA 2018.2.1 on a Win 10 Computer

Hi Hermann,

Do you currently have a newer snapshot build (such as 2018.3beta3)
installed? If so, if you try to install an older version of NVDA than the
version which is currently installed, NVDA will warn that you are
installing an older version. Generally, that should be fine. We recommend
running the latest stable build of NVDA (which, as you note, is NVDA
2018.2.1), though of course we do also want people to test the beta builds
to ensure there are no big issues before we do release the next stable
version of NVDA.

Note that I am only referring to installed copies of NVDA there, you can
have newer or older portable copies on your system without any notice from
NVDA about having a newer or older version.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@gmx.net>
wrote:

Hi!

I've tried to install NVDA 2018.2.1 on a Win 10 Computer.
After starting the installation I'm told, that I am trying to install an
olderversion of NVDA. But there has never been NVDA on the Computer.

Is it advisable, to ignore this message?
What is the possbiel reason for this message?


Greetings - Hermann.


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Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2018 um 12:44 Uhr
Von: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
An: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [nvda] who knows this?

Hi Paul!
Here is what I do when I hear those choices and not a message!
I just press:
Windows+M to go to the desktop,
And Press:
Alt+Tab, and it says the message to me, along with the choices.
That works every time.
David Moore


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From: P. Otter
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 5:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] who knows this?

hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows
because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no
to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter










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Re: make nvda axcessable with blues tacks

Gene
 

I agree but my point is that it might have considerably speeded up discussion if people had assumed what was meant and commented on it.  and if they didn't know, considerable time could have been saved if someone looked it up.  When the person wrote again, he could have been told your comments about politeness and what should have been told the list in terms of whether he had contacted the developer.  but I'm saying that time was lost waiting for his reply to the question.
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] make nvda axcessable with blues tacks

I had looked as well and that was the only one I could find also, but I still think it's polite, if you are going to ask someone to make program XYZ work, that you at least provide a link to program XYZ so we're all on the same page.

It's also helpful to know whether the original poster has contacted the developer themselves.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

          I have to believe it's Bluestacks (one word, which would break at blue when pronounced), an Android emulator for PC, that's being referred to.
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Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Annette Moore
 

I'll definitely try that workaround the next time I have issues.

Annette


On 9/2/2018 4:51 PM, Kwork wrote:

Hahaha, I hear you. I also rely much on the insert key, so it's death would not make me happy.

Gene's workaround actually helped me quite a bit.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 12:49 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files in File Explorer, if I don't just become impatient and restart NVDA altogether, which does solve the probem temporarily, is to down arrow through the files because some of them I know from going through them before what they are, and just entering on the one I think is the one I want. If it isn't, I just hit backspace and keep going. I've found ways to deal with this File Explorer sluggishness, but it can be a pain. And I really hate to say this because I love NVDA, but it doesn't do this in System Access. System Access has its own quirks in Windows 10, though, one of which drives me even more batty than the sluggish File Explorer list not being read  quickly by NVDA, and sometimes not even at all, does, and that is what I call the dead insert key. I can live with a sluggish file explorer; I cannot live without my insert key. Another thing that helps is simply to close file explorer altogether and reopen it. I'm trying to figure out a pattern for why it does this, but I can't seem to. It *really* does it with Dropbox, though; in fact, when I copy and paste a file or folder from Dropbox into somewhere else on my computer, I just automatically restart NVDA. I don't even mess with it. So yeah, I've figured out ways to deal with it and I can live with it, but glorious will be the day when it no longer happens. I'll celebrate! Honestly! LOL!

Annette


On 9/2/2018 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 
 
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis






Re: make nvda axcessable with blues tacks

Quentin Christensen
 

I had looked as well and that was the only one I could find also, but I still think it's polite, if you are going to ask someone to make program XYZ work, that you at least provide a link to program XYZ so we're all on the same page.

It's also helpful to know whether the original poster has contacted the developer themselves.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

          I have to believe it's Bluestacks (one word, which would break at blue when pronounced), an Android emulator for PC, that's being referred to.
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Re: make nvda axcessable with blues tacks

 

Quentin,

          I have to believe it's Bluestacks (one word, which would break at blue when pronounced), an Android emulator for PC, that's being referred to.
--

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Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Gene
 

I don't know what might have changed but I think it's a bad idea to have objects selected when moving by object.  This might be something for the developers to look at.  If I have read tool tips on and I'm moving by object, I may not want them to be read automatically if I move in that way.  At times in a Windows program or in Windows, such as in the system tray, if you select something, an action may be taken, a menu opens or something.  This is not desirable behavior.  What is the cause?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Ok, that explains why I also thought it was two clicks to get something to play using your method. Something in the execution changed somewhere between Windows 7 and 10 which now makes it so that only one numpad enter click is needed. So we're both right.

On 9/2/2018 4:29 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't use Windows 10.  Nothing is selected when I move by object and I have to use two issuances, as I said.  I can use the command once on a web page on a link or control on the page but in a list like this, where something must be selected, I have to use two commands.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Actually, that works, and does make looking through snappier for sure. If a large folder, I'll press the letter where I need to go that'll be close to the file name, then use what you described to get there.

One slight correction to your instructions, and it's slight: numpad enter once both selects the folder/file  entry and opens it. I also thought it would take two to go through the selection and activation process. It scared me when a file started playing immediately. LOL!

Travis

On 9/2/2018 12:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 
 
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis