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locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Sadly, I can't remember the exact version, as I pretty much jumpped from Firefox 52 to whatever the latest version of Firefox is at the time I set up my new Windows 10 desktop computer.
And since then, Firefox has been pretty much autoupdating itself, and now I'm on Firefox 78.


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Gene
 

Try the current version. I don't use Firefox enough to tell you that it happened in this or that version that crashes stopped. And its bad procedure to use that version if it isn't current. Whenever you can, try the current version.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 6:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

do you remember the exact version that tell me?
in which version of firefox, you dont experience crash anymore?
for myself, firefox 61 was the only version that i had as a portable
version on windows seven in 2018, and i explained that i had crashes
even when openning gmail in basic html view
or reading nvda user guide help file!
firefox 61 was completely unusable for me.

On 7/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes. I used to
have a problem with it crashing a lot. I haven't done much testing, but
with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it

runs on that machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

crash or major issue?

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time,
but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Gene
 

Also, on The New York Times Site home page, which is intensive in its use of JAVA script, I think more so than a lot of other pages, I lose my place in Firefox while moving around after the page loads for a time. Then, things settle down. But Firefox may, and I say may because I'm just talking about one page, have more trouble working properly on intensive pages.

I don't recall all your objections to Chrome, but you may be cutting off your nose to spite your face and demanding perfection when there is none.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 6:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes. I used to
have a problem with it crashing a lot. I haven't done much testing, but
with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it
runs on that machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any
crash or major issue?

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time, but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

do you remember the exact version that tell me?
in which version of firefox, you dont experience crash anymore?
for myself, firefox 61 was the only version that i had as a portable
version on windows seven in 2018, and i explained that i had crashes
even when openning gmail in basic html view
or reading nvda user guide help file!
firefox 61 was completely unusable for me.

On 7/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes. I used to
have a problem with it crashing a lot. I haven't done much testing, but
with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it

runs on that machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

crash or major issue?

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time,
but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

 

hello Gene and Luke.
thanks for your help.
what can i do to not have duplicate of my messages?

On 7/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Only you. I never receive duplicate copies.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on
Groups.io

brian, do you recieve my emails and post twice?
or i am only alone that recieve my emails twice?
for example: when i navigate in my emails,
the first one says zahra ayat (my name and family name),
when i press h again,
nvda says zahra via groups.io

On 7/6/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Zahra,

Depending on when you joined the group, and how, there is a Groups.io
feature in your Accounts page, Preferences tab, that is a checkbox that
reads, I always want copies of my own emails.

The default state for that these days is off, but at one time it was on.
That's the most likely reason. However, if you have an e-mail client
with
filters set up there are times that filters can end up creating double
copies as well.

If you have never logged on to the Groups.io website, then see the
beginning
of this document, *Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from
Groups.io,* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK
)
with regard to how to get a password to log in to the site to control
your
various settings. At this point you do not need to know anything beyond
how
to get set up to log in and can read the rest of that document at your
leisure. After you log in to Groups.io, you can copy and paste this URL,
https://groups.io/account?page=prefs , into your address box and you'll
be
taken straight to your preferences page where you can examine that
checkbox
and uncheck it if it's checked. Just remember to activate the Update
Preferences button at the bottom of the page to save your changes if you
make any.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

Gene
 

Only you. I never receive duplicate copies.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

brian, do you recieve my emails and post twice?
or i am only alone that recieve my emails twice?
for example: when i navigate in my emails,
the first one says zahra ayat (my name and family name),
when i press h again,
nvda says zahra via groups.io

On 7/6/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Zahra,

Depending on when you joined the group, and how, there is a Groups.io
feature in your Accounts page, Preferences tab, that is a checkbox that
reads, I always want copies of my own emails.

The default state for that these days is off, but at one time it was on.
That's the most likely reason. However, if you have an e-mail client with
filters set up there are times that filters can end up creating double
copies as well.

If you have never logged on to the Groups.io website, then see the beginning
of this document, *Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from
Groups.io,* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK
)
with regard to how to get a password to log in to the site to control your
various settings. At this point you do not need to know anything beyond how
to get set up to log in and can read the rest of that document at your
leisure. After you log in to Groups.io, you can copy and paste this URL,
https://groups.io/account?page=prefs , into your address box and you'll be
taken straight to your preferences page where you can examine that checkbox
and uncheck it if it's checked. Just remember to activate the Update
Preferences button at the bottom of the page to save your changes if you
make any.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Gene
 

It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes. I used to have a problem with it crashing a lot. I haven't done much testing, but with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it runs on that machine.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time, but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

 

brian, do you recieve my emails and post twice?
or i am only alone that recieve my emails twice?
for example: when i navigate in my emails,
the first one says zahra ayat (my name and family name),
when i press h again,
nvda says zahra via groups.io

On 7/6/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Zahra,

Depending on when you joined the group, and how, there is a Groups.io
feature in your Accounts page, Preferences tab, that is a checkbox that
reads, I always want copies of my own emails.

The default state for that these days is off, but at one time it was on.
That's the most likely reason. However, if you have an e-mail client with
filters set up there are times that filters can end up creating double
copies as well.

If you have never logged on to the Groups.io website, then see the beginning
of this document, *Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from
Groups.io,* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK
)
with regard to how to get a password to log in to the site to control your
various settings. At this point you do not need to know anything beyond how
to get set up to log in and can read the rest of that document at your
leisure. After you log in to Groups.io, you can copy and paste this URL,
https://groups.io/account?page=prefs , into your address box and you'll be
taken straight to your preferences page where you can examine that checkbox
and uncheck it if it's checked. Just remember to activate the Update
Preferences button at the bottom of the page to save your changes if you
make any.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time, but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Gene,
Time isn't an issue for me. The problem is finding beginner-friendly resources. That's also an issue because people learn in different ways, program in different ways, and experts are generally unaware of what or how to teach beginners unless they are qualified teachers and/or course organisers (I speak from experience). One of the biggest hurdles is discovering exactly what the beginner does or doesn't know (and that goes for any area of study).
Personally, I'm rubbish at learning through pre-existing material or class-based courses. I learn ten times quicker and better through personal tuition. Unfortunately, where that causes a problem is, money.
Again, I speak from experience. I did a course that taught how to use Reaper three years ago, and I couldn't get to grips with it. Two months of personal tuition, and I'm doing things I would have never dreamed of before then.
Anyway, I am glad you find use for it, but it's doubly clear to me now that it definitely could be improved.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 07/07/2020 10:41 am, Gene wrote:
It may have faults or defects but I've been using it for years and I find it useful and almost always reliable.  I'm very pleased you created it, though from what you say, it may have taken so much time that maybe it wasn't worth it from your standpoint of time and work.  But I have believed since the issue came up, that this feature should be in the NVDA code itself and I very much a[ppreciate your attempting to make NVDA do what System Access and JAWS both do and saving me work and aggrevation because I usually know when, even if I issue the command correctly, it fails and then I can make sure it is done correctly.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 2:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as
Hi Joseph,
Trust me, I wouldn't take it badly if you did.
I guess that's what happens when a beginner tries to code something
useful without knowing how the infrastructure around it works.
Having said that, nobody can say I didn't read the dev docs. I just
didn't understand most of them. But I was determined not to throw in the
towel at that point. If I'd known what an embarrassing piece of junk I
was going to spew forth...
Three years of hard study, a few months of coding, and three years of
reflection. Yup. I think we can safely say I definitely failed that test!
If it's any consolation, I don't even use Clipspeak myself anymore.
Cheers,
Damien.
On 06/07/2020 11:19 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

Okay, a few things for everyone:

  * Is this related to NVDA language: actually, no. If it was, then it
    would be something NVDA translators would have been aware of. A key
    piece of information translators need is add-on gestures, and for
    this one, there is none for languages other than English. How we
    ended up with this is beyond the scope of this forum – all I can say
    is that ClipSpeak wasn’t registered with translations workflow, and
    it won’t be made translatable for some time (due to another work
    that’s being researched, which is again beyond the scope of this list).
  * Is NVDA supposed to announce “cut” all the time: no. If the
    currently focused control does allow you to cut or copy text using
    how NVDA does it (say, in browse mode), it is supposed to use
    whatever facility NVDA provides. If not, it is supposed to send the
    command to the program you are using.
  * Clipboard content matters: even if you do cut something, NVDA won’t
    announce things you have just cut. ClipSpeak supports text, parts of
    text 9such as words), and files and folders. Also, item must be
    selected (for example, text must be selected) before NVDA can say
    things.
  * Where you are located matters: even though you are working with a
    file, not all edit fields will tell ClipSpeak to announce clipboard
    messages. This is more so if the text field is read-only.

Based on this, I think one or more of the following might be happening:

  * No text selected
  * Jarte does not support operations necessary for ClipSpeak add-on to
    speak the appropriate clipboard message
  * Wrong command was sent to the application
  * NVDA didn’t recognize that the clipboard contains text

For resident geeks here: I must say ClipSpeak add-on source code is quite an interesting read. It isn’t up for me to critique the author of this add-on, but I think folks may wish to work on improving this add-on somehow.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Joseph and lister

Just tried the Control+x command on Jart, but no go! It doesn’t say Cut text. I again went into NVDA+n; p for Options, and N to get into the Input Gestures area; from there into Clipboard. I arrow down to where it says Cut, and it says one of one Control+x, thus I can’t get why isn’t it saying Cut text if the option is set up right? Any other ideas aside from deleting and reassigning Control+x?


Enviado desde Correo <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> para Windows 10

*De: *Joseph Lee <mailto:@joslee>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:51 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Hi,

Hmmm, I think I know why. Can you tell us exactly how you are doing this – that is, tell us how to reproduce the issue? Only then I will tell you what’s happened.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:43 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

And which is what I have as well installed since yesterday. Remember I use Windows in Spanish, thus I went into check within the Clipboard subsection ofInput Gestures, and the Control+x is as it should.


Enviado desde Correo <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> para Windows 10

*De: *Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:36 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Gene,

         I omitted that the version currently downloading from the official add-on page you supplied, https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html, is ClipSpeak 1.1, which is what Luke stated he just downloaded in an earlier post.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*/

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/ <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September 23, 2019


Re: ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Gene
 

It may have faults or defects but I've been using it for years and I find it useful and almost always reliable. I'm very pleased you created it, though from what you say, it may have taken so much time that maybe it wasn't worth it from your standpoint of time and work. But I have believed since the issue came up, that this feature should be in the NVDA code itself and I very much a[ppreciate your attempting to make NVDA do what System Access and JAWS both do and saving me work and aggrevation because I usually know when, even if I issue the command correctly, it fails and then I can make sure it is done correctly.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 2:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Hi Joseph,
Trust me, I wouldn't take it badly if you did.
I guess that's what happens when a beginner tries to code something
useful without knowing how the infrastructure around it works.
Having said that, nobody can say I didn't read the dev docs. I just
didn't understand most of them. But I was determined not to throw in the
towel at that point. If I'd known what an embarrassing piece of junk I
was going to spew forth...
Three years of hard study, a few months of coding, and three years of
reflection. Yup. I think we can safely say I definitely failed that test!
If it's any consolation, I don't even use Clipspeak myself anymore.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 06/07/2020 11:19 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

Okay, a few things for everyone:

* Is this related to NVDA language: actually, no. If it was, then it
would be something NVDA translators would have been aware of. A key
piece of information translators need is add-on gestures, and for
this one, there is none for languages other than English. How we
ended up with this is beyond the scope of this forum – all I can say
is that ClipSpeak wasn’t registered with translations workflow, and
it won’t be made translatable for some time (due to another work
that’s being researched, which is again beyond the scope of this list).
* Is NVDA supposed to announce “cut” all the time: no. If the
currently focused control does allow you to cut or copy text using
how NVDA does it (say, in browse mode), it is supposed to use
whatever facility NVDA provides. If not, it is supposed to send the
command to the program you are using.
* Clipboard content matters: even if you do cut something, NVDA won’t
announce things you have just cut. ClipSpeak supports text, parts of
text 9such as words), and files and folders. Also, item must be
selected (for example, text must be selected) before NVDA can say
things.
* Where you are located matters: even though you are working with a
file, not all edit fields will tell ClipSpeak to announce clipboard
messages. This is more so if the text field is read-only.

Based on this, I think one or more of the following might be happening:

* No text selected
* Jarte does not support operations necessary for ClipSpeak add-on to
speak the appropriate clipboard message
* Wrong command was sent to the application
* NVDA didn’t recognize that the clipboard contains text

For resident geeks here: I must say ClipSpeak add-on source code is quite an interesting read. It isn’t up for me to critique the author of this add-on, but I think folks may wish to work on improving this add-on somehow.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Joseph and lister

Just tried the Control+x command on Jart, but no go! It doesn’t say Cut text. I again went into NVDA+n; p for Options, and N to get into the Input Gestures area; from there into Clipboard. I arrow down to where it says Cut, and it says one of one Control+x, thus I can’t get why isn’t it saying Cut text if the option is set up right? Any other ideas aside from deleting and reassigning Control+x?

Enviado desde Correo <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> para Windows 10

*De: *Joseph Lee <mailto:@joslee>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:51 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Hi,

Hmmm, I think I know why. Can you tell us exactly how you are doing this – that is, tell us how to reproduce the issue? Only then I will tell you what’s happened.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:43 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

And which is what I have as well installed since yesterday. Remember I use Windows in Spanish, thus I went into check within the Clipboard subsection ofInput Gestures, and the Control+x is as it should.

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*De: *Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:36 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Gene,

I omitted that the version currently downloading from the official add-on page you supplied, https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html, is ClipSpeak 1.1, which is what Luke stated he just downloaded in an earlier post.
--

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/*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*/

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/ <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September 23, 2019


Re: ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Joseph,
Trust me, I wouldn't take it badly if you did.
I guess that's what happens when a beginner tries to code something useful without knowing how the infrastructure around it works.
Having said that, nobody can say I didn't read the dev docs. I just didn't understand most of them. But I was determined not to throw in the towel at that point. If I'd known what an embarrassing piece of junk I was going to spew forth...
Three years of hard study, a few months of coding, and three years of reflection. Yup. I think we can safely say I definitely failed that test!
If it's any consolation, I don't even use Clipspeak myself anymore.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 06/07/2020 11:19 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Okay, a few things for everyone:
* Is this related to NVDA language: actually, no. If it was, then it
would be something NVDA translators would have been aware of. A key
piece of information translators need is add-on gestures, and for
this one, there is none for languages other than English. How we
ended up with this is beyond the scope of this forum – all I can say
is that ClipSpeak wasn’t registered with translations workflow, and
it won’t be made translatable for some time (due to another work
that’s being researched, which is again beyond the scope of this list).
* Is NVDA supposed to announce “cut” all the time: no. If the
currently focused control does allow you to cut or copy text using
how NVDA does it (say, in browse mode), it is supposed to use
whatever facility NVDA provides. If not, it is supposed to send the
command to the program you are using.
* Clipboard content matters: even if you do cut something, NVDA won’t
announce things you have just cut. ClipSpeak supports text, parts of
text 9such as words), and files and folders. Also, item must be
selected (for example, text must be selected) before NVDA can say
things.
* Where you are located matters: even though you are working with a
file, not all edit fields will tell ClipSpeak to announce clipboard
messages. This is more so if the text field is read-only.
Based on this, I think one or more of the following might be happening:
* No text selected
* Jarte does not support operations necessary for ClipSpeak add-on to
speak the appropriate clipboard message
* Wrong command was sent to the application
* NVDA didn’t recognize that the clipboard contains text
For resident geeks here: I must say ClipSpeak add-on source code is quite an interesting read. It isn’t up for me to critique the author of this add-on, but I think folks may wish to work on improving this add-on somehow.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as
Joseph and lister
Just tried the Control+x command on Jart, but no go! It doesn’t say Cut text. I again went into NVDA+n; p for Options, and N to get into the Input Gestures area; from there into Clipboard. I arrow down to where it says Cut, and it says one of one Control+x, thus I can’t get why isn’t it saying Cut text if the option is set up right? Any other ideas aside from deleting and reassigning Control+x?
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*De: *Joseph Lee <mailto:@joslee>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:51 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as
Hi,
Hmmm, I think I know why. Can you tell us exactly how you are doing this – that is, tell us how to reproduce the issue? Only then I will tell you what’s happened.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:43 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as
And which is what I have as well installed since yesterday. Remember I use Windows in Spanish, thus I went into check within the Clipboard subsection ofInput Gestures, and the Control+x is as it should.
                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> para Windows 10
*De: *Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:36 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as
Gene,
        I omitted that the version currently downloading from the official add-on page you supplied, https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html, is ClipSpeak 1.1, which is what Luke stated he just downloaded in an earlier post.
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/*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*/
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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade and Windows 10 App Essentials

 

If the media creation tool keeps giving you that message, you can first try to see if there are any updates for your drivers and if there are, install the driver updates and try running the 2004 version of the media creation tool again.


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time, but that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any crashes, at least so far.


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Luke Davis
 

Arlene, you keep saying that Edge and Chrome "are like" Firefox, or that Firefox "is like" Chrome.

But what do you mean by that?

They are all modern web browsers, so in that way they are alike.

But there, their likeness ends.

Edge, Chrome, Brave, et al, are all Chromium based. That is Google's web browsing platform.

Firefox is its own thing. Designed by Mozilla, it does not use Google's platform. It has different privacy models, handles various web elements differently, and still uses the classic menubar instead of a single monolithic browser button menu.

Which are just a few of the differences.

So I would be more likely to say that Edge, Brave, and Chrome are alike, and Firefox is not like the others.

Luke

On Mon, 6 Jul 2020, Arlene wrote:

That’s why I don’t use it. I found using firefox with NVDA it was slower then IE.  I thought it was because my windows 7 was dying. I never put it on this
windows ten box. If Edge and Chrome are like firefox then I see no reason why I have to have it. I really don’t need it.


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Arlene
 

That’s why I don’t use it. I found using firefox with NVDA it was slower then IE.  I thought it was because my windows 7 was dying. I never put it on this windows ten box. If Edge and Chrome are like firefox then I see no reason why I have to have it. I really don’t need it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: July 6, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Edge is closer to Chrome than Chrome is to Firefox. A lot of the new browsers are Chromium-based (new versions of opera and Vivaldi are also, as well as Brave and many others). It might be good to have a non-Chromium based browser, like Firefox, around. It *is* slower though, if you care much about that.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: July 6, 2020 1:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Preach it! I didn’t like it either when I had windows 7. I don’t have it on this system. I don’t intend to install it here. All the browsers like Chrome are like it. So, why would I want firefox here? I got Microsoft edge and Chrome here they are a like.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: July 5, 2020 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

I actually hate firefox. I use the latest what ever that is on windows 10 and it slows my system to a crawl. I'll use it for testing stuff, but I prefer brave. By the way I'm running windows 10 2004 and nvda 20.x and I will not touch FF unless i have to.

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On 5 Jul 2020, at 16:35, Sean wrote:

No version of Firefox is compatible with NVDA than Chrome.
It is also valid for Quantum.

I really wanted to use Firefox.
But just like your problems, crashes occurred.

On 05/07/2020 18:58, zahra wrote:

hello every one.
as you know,
i use windows xp and firefox 52 with nvda versions 2017.2 and 2017.3.
my only browser is firefox and i really cant tolerate other browsers.
i had issue of firefox crashes in firefox old versions with nvda.
but did not observe firefox crashes at least in firefox 45!
once, i could access windows seven and i tested firefox 61
the crashes returned frequently.
so, i observed firefox crashes in 30 minute of using firefox!
even in simple web pages like nvda user guide,
and my gmail interface which is in basic html view,
i had frequent crashes and firefox 61 was completely unusable for me!
when testing with windows seven, i only used and tested firefox 61
with nvda 2017.2.
 and i did not have nvda 2017.3 on that time.
i know one person who has a laptop from 2009 and for this reason, He
migrated to chrome!
i really wish some experts,
and who use only firefox and compare versions,
especially users of old laptops,
help me that
1. is frequent crashing of firefox quantum with nvda is resolved or not?
2.
if the issue is resolved,
and mozilla released a stable version of firefox without crashes like
firefox 56 and before,
please give me exact version number.
for example: tell me that firefox since version xxx became completely
stable as it was before firefox quantum.
i searched in the internet and found only this link.
https://www.accessibilityoz.com/2018/11/accessibility-issues-with-firefox-quantum-and-screen-readers/
can someone please help?
can i use one day firefox quantum with nvda 2017.3 without any issues?
or, i should use firefox 52 forever?
thanks so much every one and God bless you all!
 

--

Sean

👨🦯 I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.

 

 


locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

JM Casey
 

Edge is closer to Chrome than Chrome is to Firefox. A lot of the new browsers are Chromium-based (new versions of opera and Vivaldi are also, as well as Brave and many others). It might be good to have a non-Chromium based browser, like Firefox, around. It *is* slower though, if you care much about that.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: July 6, 2020 1:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Preach it! I didn’t like it either when I had windows 7. I don’t have it on this system. I don’t intend to install it here. All the browsers like Chrome are like it. So, why would I want firefox here? I got Microsoft edge and Chrome here they are a like.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: July 5, 2020 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

I actually hate firefox. I use the latest what ever that is on windows 10 and it slows my system to a crawl. I'll use it for testing stuff, but I prefer brave. By the way I'm running windows 10 2004 and nvda 20.x and I will not touch FF unless i have to.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 5 Jul 2020, at 16:35, Sean wrote:

No version of Firefox is compatible with NVDA than Chrome.
It is also valid for Quantum.

I really wanted to use Firefox.
But just like your problems, crashes occurred.

On 05/07/2020 18:58, zahra wrote:

hello every one.
as you know,
i use windows xp and firefox 52 with nvda versions 2017.2 and 2017.3.
my only browser is firefox and i really cant tolerate other browsers.
i had issue of firefox crashes in firefox old versions with nvda.
but did not observe firefox crashes at least in firefox 45!
once, i could access windows seven and i tested firefox 61
the crashes returned frequently.
so, i observed firefox crashes in 30 minute of using firefox!
even in simple web pages like nvda user guide,
and my gmail interface which is in basic html view,
i had frequent crashes and firefox 61 was completely unusable for me!
when testing with windows seven, i only used and tested firefox 61
with nvda 2017.2.
 and i did not have nvda 2017.3 on that time.
i know one person who has a laptop from 2009 and for this reason, He
migrated to chrome!
i really wish some experts,
and who use only firefox and compare versions,
especially users of old laptops,
help me that
1. is frequent crashing of firefox quantum with nvda is resolved or not?
2.
if the issue is resolved,
and mozilla released a stable version of firefox without crashes like
firefox 56 and before,
please give me exact version number.
for example: tell me that firefox since version xxx became completely
stable as it was before firefox quantum.
i searched in the internet and found only this link.
https://www.accessibilityoz.com/2018/11/accessibility-issues-with-firefox-quantum-and-screen-readers/
can someone please help?
can i use one day firefox quantum with nvda 2017.3 without any issues?
or, i should use firefox 52 forever?
thanks so much every one and God bless you all!
 

--

Sean

👨🦯 I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.

 


Re: ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

 

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 06:12 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Here’s the log hoping it helps seeing where the problem lides at my end, in that ClipSpeak doesn’t say Cut text
Please, there has been a recent Admin Notice requesting that logs not be posted to the group, and I'm asking this again.  Particularly when one has not been asked for.

It's fine to exchange logs or log segments, but please do so via private exchanges, and only when someone asks for one.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: Focus Issues on Facebook Desktop Site Using Firefox

Bhavya shah
 

Hi all,

I too have been facing general focus issues with www.facebook.com
whether on Firefox or on Brave (a derivative of Chrome). In general,
my recommendation is to use m.facebook.com instead which gets most of
the job done with a far more accessible interface. The reason why I
need to sometimes switch to facebook.com is to fully use Messenger,
for which the mobile site has only basic support. Even in those short
durations, facebook.com troubles me sufficiently.
On another note, I have just checked the Automatically set system
focus to focusable elements check box in NVDA's Advanced Settings to
see if it makes a difference. Are there any known side-effects of this
that I should be aware of? Please let me know.

Thanks.

On 6/29/20, William Wong <@WaiWilliam> wrote:
Gene,

I am not sure about this, cause Facebook had been altering its design
this or last month, which IE may have bben working well with the old
site, but not the current site.





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Re: ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

 

Hi,

Okay, a few things for everyone:

  • Is this related to NVDA language: actually, no. If it was, then it would be something NVDA translators would have been aware of. A key piece of information translators need is add-on gestures, and for this one, there is none for languages other than English. How we ended up with this is beyond the scope of this forum – all I can say is that ClipSpeak wasn’t registered with translations workflow, and it won’t be made translatable for some time (due to another work that’s being researched, which is again beyond the scope of this list).
  • Is NVDA supposed to announce “cut” all the time: no. If the currently focused control does allow you to cut or copy text using how NVDA does it (say, in browse mode), it is supposed to use whatever facility NVDA provides. If not, it is supposed to send the command to the program you are using.
  • Clipboard content matters: even if you do cut something, NVDA won’t announce things you have just cut. ClipSpeak supports text, parts of text 9such as words), and files and folders. Also, item must be selected (for example, text must be selected) before NVDA can say things.
  • Where you are located matters: even though you are working with a file, not all edit fields will tell ClipSpeak to announce clipboard messages. This is more so if the text field is read-only.

Based on this, I think one or more of the following might be happening:

  • No text selected
  • Jarte does not support operations necessary for ClipSpeak add-on to speak the appropriate clipboard message
  • Wrong command was sent to the application
  • NVDA didn’t recognize that the clipboard contains text

 

For resident geeks here: I must say ClipSpeak add-on source code is quite an interesting read. It isn’t up for me to critique the author of this add-on, but I think folks may wish to work on improving this add-on somehow.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

 

Joseph and lister

Just tried the Control+x command on Jart, but no go! It doesn’t say Cut text. I again went into NVDA+n; p for Options, and N to get into the Input Gestures area; from there into Clipboard. I arrow down to where it says Cut, and it says one of one Control+x, thus I can’t get why isn’t it saying Cut text if the option is set up right? Any other ideas aside from deleting and reassigning Control+x?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Joseph Lee
Enviado: lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:51 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

 

Hi,

Hmmm, I think I know why. Can you tell us exactly how you are doing this – that is, tell us how to reproduce the issue? Only then I will tell you what’s happened.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

 

And which is what I have as well installed since yesterday. Remember I use Windows in Spanish, thus I went into check within the Clipboard subsection ofInput Gestures, and the Control+x is as it should.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Brian Vogel
Enviado: lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:36 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

 

Gene,

        I omitted that the version currently downloading from the official add-on page you supplied, https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html, is ClipSpeak 1.1, which is what Luke stated he just downloaded in an earlier post.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019