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Re: reading mail in outlook 365

Ervin, Glenn
 

I like to read by paragraph, with my thumb on the right control key and down arrowing.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365

 

Since this is the second email in a row to ask a similar question, I'm curious, why do people read pieces of text that may be long, using the arrow keys rather than Say All (NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a depending on your setup)?

 

Note that I'm not saying you SHOULD do it one way or the other, just wanting a better understanding of why people do things the way they do.  For me, I use Say All with a finger ready on SHIFT to pause speech as needed.

 

You can force Outlook to open emails as plain text rather than HTML (File menu, options, Trust centre, Email security, read all standard email in plain text), however, that displays links to external images as links and reads out the full link of each, rather than the HTML view which simply denotes "graphic".

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

I decided to try my hand with Outlook 365. I liked it, overall. However, emails with NVDA and Outlook 365 didn't read as well as they do with Thunderbird and NVDA. For example, it appears that using arrow keys in some emails in Outlook 365 is not a great solution. All you see is blank lines and graphics, whereas you see links and a fairly compact view in Thunderbird. The tab key doesn't change this in any way, shape or form.


Has anyone else seen this, and if you have, does anyone have a solution? For me, using Outlook 365 won't work unless I can get around these issues. I'm using the latest version of NVDA alpha. Any help with this one is much appreciated, and thanks in advance.





 

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Re: NVDA, other processes, performance, and security

 

Hi,

I don’t think this was addressed in 2018.3 development cycle. The relevant code to look at in NVDA source code would be the C++ portion (NVDA Helper Remote DLL) or somewhere around there.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Perry Simm via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, other processes, performance, and security

 

Hello everyone!

I recently read on here that someone had observed NVDA wouldn't let some processes close normally. Specifically, the conversation was about processes belonging to MS Office. I'm a bit of a security nerd and I have a strong background in comp.sci. so I had a look to see for myself if that's actually the case. Sure enough, at least Excel and Outlook are affected by this on my system. That is, when I start one of those while NVDA is running and then close the application again, the process remains running in Task Manager. When I launch Outlook or Excel while NVDA is not running and then close the application again, the process goes away. So it does seem as if there is at least some kind of connection between NVDA running and other processes not closing normally. Whether that connection is direct or indirect, or in what software the bug is, I cannot say, of course, only that it is causal. Word doesn't show it for me by the way.

To my understanding, and I hope to be convinced otherwise, this has both security and performance implications. Security because any process unnecessarily left running increases the number of potential attack vectors; and performance because any process unnecessarily left running will consume resources in terms of memory, kernel data structures, and processor cycles. For anyone reading this and deciding whether or not to panic about security, I don't think there's any reason. This is not about current threats. I'm just theorizing about statistical averages and potential trouble somewhere down the road.

So my question would be if there is a roadmap for that to be looked into, or if it has even been addressed in the upcoming version 2018.3.

Cheers Perry


Re: Update on Amazon Kindle Site with NVDA

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

Here's the link to the book I purchased yesterday. I've noticed the same issue with other books, and you know what? With my BrailleNote Touch running Android 4, I can find that Purchase with One Click button quite easily. Go figure.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G65V94Z/ref=pe_385040_118058080_TE_M1DP

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
abbietaylor945@gmail.com
Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm

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Re: reading mail in outlook 365

Gene
 

You mean that that is the default?  It may be in that program but it isn't in the e-mail programs I've used or tried. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365

I"m pretty sure that Outlook 365 was set up to read emails in html. I'd have to look, though.





On 8/29/2018 7:34 AM, Gene wrote:
I've seen this happen in many cases when reading mail as plain text.  Reading as HTML avoids the problem.  I don't know the technical reasons.  It may be a little safer to read mail as plain text. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365

Could someone perhaps forward me one of these emails that's so problematic, please?  Certainly regular emails like the posts to the list come through just fine for me in Outlook 365 and I can read with down arrow with no more blank lines than the email actually has, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I'll chip in here, in my case its because I need a part of the text for a script for our talking newspaper. The only other way to achieve the end result with outlook is to grab it all paste it into an editor then select it from there. If other readers allow the thing to be done, and lets face it outlook express does, then why not outlook?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365


Since this is the second email in a row to ask a similar question, I'm
curious, why do people read pieces of text that may be long, using the
arrow keys rather than Say All (NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a depending on your
setup)?

Note that I'm not saying you SHOULD do it one way or the other, just
wanting a better understanding of why people do things the way they do.
For me, I use Say All with a finger ready on SHIFT to pause speech as
needed.

You can force Outlook to open emails as plain text rather than HTML (File
menu, options, Trust centre, Email security, read all standard email in
plain text), however, that displays links to external images as links and
reads out the full link of each, rather than the HTML view which simply
denotes "graphic".

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

I decided to try my hand with Outlook 365. I liked it, overall. However,
emails with NVDA and Outlook 365 didn't read as well as they do with
Thunderbird and NVDA. For example, it appears that using arrow keys in some
emails in Outlook 365 is not a great solution. All you see is blank lines
and graphics, whereas you see links and a fairly compact view in
Thunderbird. The tab key doesn't change this in any way, shape or form.


Has anyone else seen this, and if you have, does anyone have a solution?
For me, using Outlook 365 won't work unless I can get around these issues.
I'm using the latest version of NVDA alpha. Any help with this one is much
appreciated, and thanks in advance.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
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Re: Best blogging software for use with NVDA

 

There is no desktop blogging software that works with NVDA. None, so you will need to use web platforms and web editors. The only software that could be made accessible, but the developers say is too hard, to make accessible, is open live writer. That link is below. The closest thing to a desktop client you will get is blogging by email in mozilla Thunderbird or similar.

https://github.com/OpenLiveWriter/OpenLiveWriter


Updated the accessible applications wiki again.

 

I learned, while editing the below wiki, that I can't create sub-pages of the main page. Aw poop! Anyway, given that Zoom will get some enhancements with the next NVDA, I added Zoom, including their accessibility email, to the page. I am gonna change the title of the page later today to, accessible applications. I've removed old links, as well. I am gonna do more updates later today. What I wish github would allow me to do is to create sub pages for the main pages. This way I can break the wiki up into tiny sections. I may just break it up later with headings and stuff. Anyone can edit the below page as long as they have a git hub account so if anybody wants to edit after me go ahead. I'm debating on adding programs that will become accessible later on, like OE Classic.


https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Application-Support


Re: reading mail in outlook 365

 

I"m pretty sure that Outlook 365 was set up to read emails in html. I'd have to look, though.





On 8/29/2018 7:34 AM, Gene wrote:
I've seen this happen in many cases when reading mail as plain text.  Reading as HTML avoids the problem.  I don't know the technical reasons.  It may be a little safer to read mail as plain text. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365

Could someone perhaps forward me one of these emails that's so problematic, please?  Certainly regular emails like the posts to the list come through just fine for me in Outlook 365 and I can read with down arrow with no more blank lines than the email actually has, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I'll chip in here, in my case its because I need a part of the text for a script for our talking newspaper. The only other way to achieve the end result with outlook is to grab it all paste it into an editor then select it from there. If other readers allow the thing to be done, and lets face it outlook express does, then why not outlook?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365


Since this is the second email in a row to ask a similar question, I'm
curious, why do people read pieces of text that may be long, using the
arrow keys rather than Say All (NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a depending on your
setup)?

Note that I'm not saying you SHOULD do it one way or the other, just
wanting a better understanding of why people do things the way they do.
For me, I use Say All with a finger ready on SHIFT to pause speech as
needed.

You can force Outlook to open emails as plain text rather than HTML (File
menu, options, Trust centre, Email security, read all standard email in
plain text), however, that displays links to external images as links and
reads out the full link of each, rather than the HTML view which simply
denotes "graphic".

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

I decided to try my hand with Outlook 365. I liked it, overall. However,
emails with NVDA and Outlook 365 didn't read as well as they do with
Thunderbird and NVDA. For example, it appears that using arrow keys in some
emails in Outlook 365 is not a great solution. All you see is blank lines
and graphics, whereas you see links and a fairly compact view in
Thunderbird. The tab key doesn't change this in any way, shape or form.


Has anyone else seen this, and if you have, does anyone have a solution?
For me, using Outlook 365 won't work unless I can get around these issues.
I'm using the latest version of NVDA alpha. Any help with this one is much
appreciated, and thanks in advance.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess











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Re: In-Process 29th August 2018

Ron Canazzi
 

Isn't the name Danika famous for the race car driver Danika Patrick?  I recognized that as female right away because of this.



On 8/29/2018 8:07 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Brian,

All good points.  Danika is female.  It's not a common name and I didn't think to clarify that in the text, my apologies.

More information in a future In-Process, 

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Just one point as the CEO has an unusual name the piece should perhaps say whether its a male or a female, perhaps also have an overview of what they do and their history?

That is what I normally try to do with things I put into our talking newspaper about charities new personnel, anyway, it makes them more approachable.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018


Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been a little while, but a new edition of In-Process is out,
featuring info on NVDA 2018.3, and the beta of it that you can download
now, plus our new CEO, Danika:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-august-2018/

--
Quentin Christensen
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Re: windows mail still have the problem

Mark <mark@...>
 

Hi sorry no NVDA just stops speaking any ware  

If I press insert q nothing speaks but if I press R it just said R then I press enter and nvda restarts and start speaking

Until I open windows mail  and close it

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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 August 2018 12:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows mail still have the problem

 

So you are saying that when you close it it stops the nvda working anywhere

else or do you mean it stops in windows mail but alt tabbing to somewhere

also also does not work till you close windows mail. Sorry to be a bit

pedantic, but if you need to raise an issue with nvda for this it has to be

clear what the issue is and how its  brought about or nobody will do

anything about it.

Brian

 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows mail still have the problem

 

 

Hi no its only windows mail NVDA does stop speaking

Working fine apart from that

Tried disabling all addons and still the same

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From: hurrikennyandopo ...

Sent: 28 August 2018 23:11

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] windows mail still have the problem

 

hi

 

No problem with closing it every time i just use the alt key + f4 key to do

this. This is on a windows 10 machine ver 1803 with nvda 2018.2.1

 

Is your machine sluggish? all of the time or is it say when you close the

app it seems slow to close it.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/29/2018 10:01 AM, Mark wrote:

Hi about 3 weeks ago I reported that if I close windows mail NVDA stop

talking and I have to close it down and re open it

Its still just the same

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Re: In-Process 29th August 2018

Larry Wang
 

Hi Brian,
I found her LinkedIN page. Maybe you can find what you want there.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 8:07 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

All good points.  Danika is female.  It's not a common name and I didn't think to clarify that in the text, my apologies.

More information in a future In-Process, 

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Just one point as the CEO has an unusual name the piece should perhaps say whether its a male or a female, perhaps also have an overview of what they do and their history?

That is what I normally try to do with things I put into our talking newspaper about charities new personnel, anyway, it makes them more approachable.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018


Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been a little while, but a new edition of In-Process is out,
featuring info on NVDA 2018.3, and the beta of it that you can download
now, plus our new CEO, Danika:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-august-2018/

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
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www.nvaccess.org
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NVDA, other processes, performance, and security

Perry Simm
 

Hello everyone!
I recently read on here that someone had observed NVDA wouldn't let some processes close normally. Specifically, the conversation was about processes belonging to MS Office. I'm a bit of a security nerd and I have a strong background in comp.sci. so I had a look to see for myself if that's actually the case. Sure enough, at least Excel and Outlook are affected by this on my system. That is, when I start one of those while NVDA is running and then close the application again, the process remains running in Task Manager. When I launch Outlook or Excel while NVDA is not running and then close the application again, the process goes away. So it does seem as if there is at least some kind of connection between NVDA running and other processes not closing normally. Whether that connection is direct or indirect, or in what software the bug is, I cannot say, of course, only that it is causal. Word doesn't show it for me by the way.
To my understanding, and I hope to be convinced otherwise, this has both security and performance implications. Security because any process unnecessarily left running increases the number of potential attack vectors; and performance because any process unnecessarily left running will consume resources in terms of memory, kernel data structures, and processor cycles. For anyone reading this and deciding whether or not to panic about security, I don't think there's any reason. This is not about current threats. I'm just theorizing about statistical averages and potential trouble somewhere down the road.
So my question would be if there is a roadmap for that to be looked into, or if it has even been addressed in the upcoming version 2018.3.
Cheers Perry


Re: In-Process 29th August 2018

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brian,

All good points.  Danika is female.  It's not a common name and I didn't think to clarify that in the text, my apologies.

More information in a future In-Process, 

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Just one point as the CEO has an unusual name the piece should perhaps say whether its a male or a female, perhaps also have an overview of what they do and their history?

That is what I normally try to do with things I put into our talking newspaper about charities new personnel, anyway, it makes them more approachable.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018


Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been a little while, but a new edition of In-Process is out,
featuring info on NVDA 2018.3, and the beta of it that you can download
now, plus our new CEO, Danika:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-august-2018/

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
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www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess











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Re: In-Process 29th August 2018

Gene
 

It's obviously a feminine name.  However, there is no reason to look foolish by saying, she's a woman.  in presenting a little information about her, which is a good idea, you would naturally say something like, she is from or she has a background in this or that and has previously done this or that kind of work. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018

Just one point as the CEO has an unusual name the piece should perhaps say
whether its a male or a female, perhaps also have an overview of what they
do and their history?

 That is what I normally try to do with things I put into our talking
newspaper about charities new personnel, anyway, it makes them more
approachable.
 Brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018


> Hi everyone,
>
> Sorry it's been a little while, but a new edition of In-Process is out,
> featuring info on NVDA 2018.3, and the beta of it that you can download
> now, plus our new CEO, Danika:
>
> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-august-2018/
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
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> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>
>
>




Re: In-Process 29th August 2018

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Just one point as the CEO has an unusual name the piece should perhaps say whether its a male or a female, perhaps also have an overview of what they do and their history?

That is what I normally try to do with things I put into our talking newspaper about charities new personnel, anyway, it makes them more approachable.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018


Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been a little while, but a new edition of In-Process is out,
featuring info on NVDA 2018.3, and the beta of it that you can download
now, plus our new CEO, Danika:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-august-2018/

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

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www.nvaccess.org
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Re: reading mail in outlook 365

Gene
 

I've seen this happen in many cases when reading mail as plain text.  Reading as HTML avoids the problem.  I don't know the technical reasons.  It may be a little safer to read mail as plain text. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365

Could someone perhaps forward me one of these emails that's so problematic, please?  Certainly regular emails like the posts to the list come through just fine for me in Outlook 365 and I can read with down arrow with no more blank lines than the email actually has, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I'll chip in here, in my case its because I need a part of the text for a script for our talking newspaper. The only other way to achieve the end result with outlook is to grab it all paste it into an editor then select it from there. If other readers allow the thing to be done, and lets face it outlook express does, then why not outlook?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365


Since this is the second email in a row to ask a similar question, I'm
curious, why do people read pieces of text that may be long, using the
arrow keys rather than Say All (NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a depending on your
setup)?

Note that I'm not saying you SHOULD do it one way or the other, just
wanting a better understanding of why people do things the way they do.
For me, I use Say All with a finger ready on SHIFT to pause speech as
needed.

You can force Outlook to open emails as plain text rather than HTML (File
menu, options, Trust centre, Email security, read all standard email in
plain text), however, that displays links to external images as links and
reads out the full link of each, rather than the HTML view which simply
denotes "graphic".

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

I decided to try my hand with Outlook 365. I liked it, overall. However,
emails with NVDA and Outlook 365 didn't read as well as they do with
Thunderbird and NVDA. For example, it appears that using arrow keys in some
emails in Outlook 365 is not a great solution. All you see is blank lines
and graphics, whereas you see links and a fairly compact view in
Thunderbird. The tab key doesn't change this in any way, shape or form.


Has anyone else seen this, and if you have, does anyone have a solution?
For me, using Outlook 365 won't work unless I can get around these issues.
I'm using the latest version of NVDA alpha. Any help with this one is much
appreciated, and thanks in advance.







--
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Re: windows mail still have the problem

Gene
 

If you look at quoted previous messages, it's clear that this affects NVDA in general. 
 
A quote from the first message:
Hi about 3 weeks ago I reported that if I close windows mail NVDA stop
talking and I have to close it down and re open it
End quote.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows mail still have the problem

So you are saying that when you close it it stops the nvda working anywhere
else or do you mean it stops in windows mail but alt tabbing to somewhere
also also does not work till you close windows mail. Sorry to be a bit
pedantic, but if you need to raise an issue with nvda for this it has to be
clear what the issue is and how its  brought about or nobody will do
anything about it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mark@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows mail still have the problem


Hi no its only windows mail NVDA does stop speaking
Working fine apart from that
Tried disabling all addons and still the same
Mark.

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From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: 28 August 2018 23:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows mail still have the problem

hi

No problem with closing it every time i just use the alt key + f4 key to do
this. This is on a windows 10 machine ver 1803 with nvda 2018.2.1

Is your machine sluggish? all of the time or is it say when you close the
app it seems slow to close it.

Gene nz


On 8/29/2018 10:01 AM, Mark wrote:
Hi about 3 weeks ago I reported that if I close windows mail NVDA stop
talking and I have to close it down and re open it
Its still just the same
Mark.


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Re: In-Process 29th August 2018

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I've been using it for some days and it has no real issues as far as I can tell but do not have firefox on the system except an older version prefering the speed and agility of waterfox.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018


Hi, Quentin,

I just downloaded the new beta version and so-far it's working great.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018

Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been a little while, but a new edition of In-Process is out, featuring info on NVDA 2018.3, and the beta of it that you can download now, plus our new CEO, Danika:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-august-2018/


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Re: In-Process 29th August 2018

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New CEO obviously missed that one.
What is that all about. I know go and read it...
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 29th August 2018


Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been a little while, but a new edition of In-Process is out,
featuring info on NVDA 2018.3, and the beta of it that you can download
now, plus our new CEO, Danika:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-august-2018/

--
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Re: Update on Amazon Kindle Site with NVDA

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You might consider documenting this on an issue in github. be very specific about versions of software and browsers though.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Abbie Taylor" <abbietaylor945@gmail.com>
To: "NVDA List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Update on Amazon Kindle Site with NVDA


I just now tried to purchase another Kindle book from the Amazon site. When I couldn't find the button to buy with one click with NVDA, not even with object navigation, I switched to System Access, and sure enough, there was the button, and I was able to successfully complete the purchase without having to call Amazon's disability customer service.


It sounds to me, then, that the issue here may be with NVDA, although folks who use Jaws or Narrator could possibly try the site to see if they can find that elusive button. I wonder if there is something NVDA developers can do to allow the program to read these buttons. Surely there are other such buttons on other sites that NVDA won't read, even with object navigation, but that are easily recognized by other programs. Not all screen readers are created equal. This is just an idea for what it's worth.


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Re: reading mail in outlook 365

Quentin Christensen
 

Could someone perhaps forward me one of these emails that's so problematic, please?  Certainly regular emails like the posts to the list come through just fine for me in Outlook 365 and I can read with down arrow with no more blank lines than the email actually has, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I'll chip in here, in my case its because I need a part of the text for a script for our talking newspaper. The only other way to achieve the end result with outlook is to grab it all paste it into an editor then select it from there. If other readers allow the thing to be done, and lets face it outlook express does, then why not outlook?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading mail in outlook 365


Since this is the second email in a row to ask a similar question, I'm
curious, why do people read pieces of text that may be long, using the
arrow keys rather than Say All (NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a depending on your
setup)?

Note that I'm not saying you SHOULD do it one way or the other, just
wanting a better understanding of why people do things the way they do.
For me, I use Say All with a finger ready on SHIFT to pause speech as
needed.

You can force Outlook to open emails as plain text rather than HTML (File
menu, options, Trust centre, Email security, read all standard email in
plain text), however, that displays links to external images as links and
reads out the full link of each, rather than the HTML view which simply
denotes "graphic".

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

I decided to try my hand with Outlook 365. I liked it, overall. However,
emails with NVDA and Outlook 365 didn't read as well as they do with
Thunderbird and NVDA. For example, it appears that using arrow keys in some
emails in Outlook 365 is not a great solution. All you see is blank lines
and graphics, whereas you see links and a fairly compact view in
Thunderbird. The tab key doesn't change this in any way, shape or form.


Has anyone else seen this, and if you have, does anyone have a solution?
For me, using Outlook 365 won't work unless I can get around these issues.
I'm using the latest version of NVDA alpha. Any help with this one is much
appreciated, and thanks in advance.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess











--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess