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Re: speechhub add-on installation error

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Could I ask which version of NVDA are you using? If I remember right unless it has been removed the old speech hub add on is found within the software but will only work on NVDA 2019.2 and earlier.

I am not sure if it has been updated or removed for that version.


I have the latest add on for NVDA 2019.3 and onwards which I think he has posted on the website as well I would have to check how far down the page it might be.

Not on my computer but will be on the website


The page where you can get teh add on from for nvda 2019.3 and onwards can be found at http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeechHub/public/docs/NVDAClient/NVDADownloadInstallation.html

You will need to look for a heading called installing the speech hub add on and it will give you a link to the latest version and I think mention it for earlier versions.

Speech hub gets installed first then the add on. some times you might just have to reboot nvda for it to show up.


I will contact Isaac to see if he can make a change at the top of the page where speech hub and the add on come off.


It refers to the following below.


Download and installation for use with NVDA
SpeechHub Version 1.1.0, 1 July 2015
NVDA add-on April 2020
SpeechHub can be installed in Windows 7, 8 and 10.


The change of the date and nvda add on 2020 and say either where to look down the page or some thing along those lines.


Try the updated one and see if that does the trick for nvda 2019.3 onwards other wise if you tell us I am sure it can be passed on or he might see it in the next day or so and contact you as he is 13 hours behind us and will be night time.


Gene nz

On 31/05/2020 2:33 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:
I couldn't install speechhub add-on. When I try to install it, it says
'Failed to install add-on from C:\Users\ytake\Downloads\SpeechHub
(1).nvda-addon'. solution?


Re: speechhub add-on installation error

 

This does not appear to be an official NVDA add-on, and by that I mean that its developer has never submitted it for vetting and inclusion on the "official add-ons page:"

The SpeechHub main page is:  https://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeechHub.html
On that page they note that a brand new version was released last month that's compatible with NVDA 2019.3.1 and later with a link to the page where it can be downloaded.  On that page, the download is not "front and center" but is a good deal of the way down the page with a click-through link that reads, "here."

If this is not the version that  you have it's the one you need to get.  Pay attention to the installation instructions under the "here" link for downloading.

If the new version installer does not work, it is the developers of the add-on that need to be contacted first.  If they believe the issue lies with NVDA, they should initiate an issue report on the NVDA Github page.
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Re: speechhub add-on installation error

Aschalew Byness
 

No, I couldn't find it in the installed add-on list.

On 5/31/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Double check in Add-Ons Manager (NVDA+N,T,A,Enter) to see whether it's
actually not there.

I received a message to the same effect about Speech History when I tried to
install it two days ago (I think) and mentioned that here on the group.
Even though I got that error it appears to have been spurious, as the Speech
History add-on is shown as installed and enabled in Add-Ons Manager.

Please report back on your findings.
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Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019




Re: speechhub add-on installation error

 

Double check in Add-Ons Manager (NVDA+N,T,A,Enter) to see whether it's actually not there.

I received a message to the same effect about Speech History when I tried to install it two days ago (I think) and mentioned that here on the group.  Even though I got that error it appears to have been spurious, as the Speech History add-on is shown as installed and enabled in Add-Ons Manager.

Please report back on your findings.
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speechhub add-on installation error

Aschalew Byness
 

I couldn't install speechhub add-on. When I try to install it, it says
'Failed to install add-on from C:\Users\ytake\Downloads\SpeechHub
(1).nvda-addon'. solution?


Re: Tony's addons - updates

Larry Wang
 

pycld2 is better it has built in function to split string into languages, but you have to  pip install from github not pypi. The version on pypi has issues on install.

在 2020/5/30 22:16, Tony Malykh 写道:

That's what I thought too.

On a separate note, I was thinking that we can use langdetect library to detect the language of every paragraph on the fly and switch to that language. This would allow to automatically switch between two Latin-based languages, or between Chinese and Japanese. Maybe some day if I have enough time I'll work on that...

On 5/29/2020 11:38 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
They have different characters, but both group of characters are in the same UNICODE group...


So, like among the latin languages, it is not possible, without lots of processement, to switch from chinese to japanese and vice-versa...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 02:43 de 28/05/2020, William Wong escreveu:
No, they have different character. As far as I know.


Tony Malykh 於 27/5/2020 22:32 寫道:
Language map can be edited in preferences. Do Chinese and Japanese use the same Unicode character set or different ones? If they use the same set, autmatic switching won't be possible.

On 5/27/2020 3:21 AM, William Wong wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for the list of addons.

Regarding "tonysEnhancements"

how to edit Edit language map

for instance, If I want to configure Traditional Chinese and Japanese, how should I correct the map?

Thanks.









Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

There are other models that are also lightweight and portable, for example the Ideapad series. I've been using the Ideapad 720S for over a year now, and I pretty much loved it. I do not really like the fact that I have to hold down fn key, in order to activate normal function keys like f1-f12, but I think I'm getting use to it, given that I have to deal with the same thing on my new desktop.


Re: Tony's addons - updates

 

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 04:30 PM, David Ingram wrote:
what ad-ins do you have besides the one for language that I might be able to take advantage of?
All were discussed in the message that started this topic, which is in the NVDA Group Archive.

This question can be answered, specific to NVDA users, by Searching the NVDA Group Archive..


Please read the above and search the archive using the terms enclosed in square brackets below:

[“new features” add-ons Tony]

This returns all of 2 messages to review when the Option 1 in the above referenced document is employed.


For answers not specific to NVDA users, but applicable to all, use the web search technique (Option 2) from the above noted document, but omitting the operator,
site:nvda.groups.io/g/nvda, from the search using just the search terms listed above.  If required, fine tune your terms by adding more if you’re getting too many results that aren’t relevant, or taking them away one by one if you’re getting no results or very few results that do not answer your question.  This is how one learns, over time, to refine searches to get the information you’re seeking while eliminating extraneous material.  The use of exact phrases, e.g., “Notre Dame” and “flying buttress,” can be very effective in getting more focused information than using those 4 words outside of a phrase or even the phrase, “Notre Dame,” combined with the two words flying and buttress.

If you don’t find what you’re looking for after doing the above, then try Searching the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group Archive or Searching the JAWS Group Archive if accessibility on the PC is the  information you seek.  For Android accessibility questions, try Searching the Android Accessibility Group Archive

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Re: Tony's addons - updates

David Ingram
 

what ad-ins do you have besides the one for language that I might be able to take advantage of?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...>
Sent: May 30, 2020 9:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's addons - updates

That's what I thought too.

On a separate note, I was thinking that we can use langdetect library to
detect the language of every paragraph on the fly and switch to that
language. This would allow to automatically switch between two
Latin-based languages, or between Chinese and Japanese. Maybe some day
if I have enough time I'll work on that...

On 5/29/2020 11:38 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
They have different characters, but both group of characters are in
the same UNICODE group...


So, like among the latin languages, it is not possible, without lots
of processement, to switch from chinese to japanese and vice-versa...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 02:43 de 28/05/2020, William Wong escreveu:
No, they have different character. As far as I know.


Tony Malykh 於 27/5/2020 22:32 寫道:
Language map can be edited in preferences. Do Chinese and Japanese
use the same Unicode character set or different ones? If they use
the same set, autmatic switching won't be possible.

On 5/27/2020 3:21 AM, William Wong wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for the list of addons.

Regarding "tonysEnhancements"

how to edit Edit language map

for instance, If I want to configure Traditional Chinese and
Japanese, how should I correct the map?

Thanks.










Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Hello all,

Thank you so much for your support and every kind of help!
However, I came across another problem that broke the camel's back.
After getting the Left Shift to work as an NVDA modifier, I started to put more applications onto the machine. Dropbox is a thing I use on a daily basis, and when it turned out that the desktop app can't be installed on a machine with an ARM processor, and moreover, the Microsoft Store Dropbox App is more or less inaccessible, I just gave in. The computer is re-setting itself and I will return it.

Anyway, now I know a lot more about certain things, and I hope you do too.
So, as a screen reader user it is not worth it to buy a Miix 630. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a quite nice machine. The keyboard was quite OK to type on, although it was much thinner than on a normal laptop. I very much liked the fact that it had a SIM card slot and this was a big reason I ended up buying that particular machine. The log-in using face recognition also worked very nicely.
But this time the downsides were bigger.


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Tyler Spivey
 

Exactly.
when you correctly press caps+k, caps goes down, k goes down, k goes up
and caps goes up. That's reflected in the output, or at least should be.

However, your keyboard seems to only support the true modifier keys
(alt, control, windows and shift), and can't register more than one
keypress at a time otherwise.

Seems like you got shift to work as your modifier. Great.

I think this might be more anoying than expected. If it is, then we go
another route; simply rebinding the keys that you need in the gesture
editor using, say, control shift. Nothing says that NVDA key commands
need to use the NVDA key.
You can remap current line to, say, control shift i without any problem,
and it would still give you your left shift for typing normally.
There aren't a lot of keys you really need in daily use; this might be a
better solution than losing left shift.

I also have another addon which turns on the sticky keys functionality
for just the NVDA modifier, but that might also be annoying.

I would definitely recommend returning that and buying something else.
You should be able to find something in the same price range with a
better keyboard.


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Isak,

             If you purchased locally from a brick and mortar store, and they have a floor model, and they're open and allowing any customers in, I'd suggest you go there with a portable copy of NVDA on a jump drive, explain what is happening with your unit, and asking if you can spend a couple of minutes, under supervision if required, trying out NVDA on their unit.

             Everything you've described just seems to scream idiosyncratic and fundamentally wrong to me.  This would be one way to see if my gut instinct is correct, and whether all might be solved with a replacement machine of exactly the same type.

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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Brian, yes, the BIOS/UEFI updater did not ask for a restart. It seemingly did nothing, just went away.

Now I re-mapped Left Shift to Insert and it works just beautifully as an NVDA modifyer key. AS I said, not convenient at all, but maybe I can live with it. Fortunately, I don't need to make the final decision whether I want to return the computer or not before in around three weeks.


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Isak, et. al.,

                Just as a side note, but an important one, I have not seen a BIOS/UEFI updater package in years that does not check whether what's already installed has the same or higher version number than what it intends to install.  If that's found to be true, it just exits.  If you did try to run the updater, and did not have to restart, it probably did just that.

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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

I checked the UEFI/Bios thing and it is up-to-date. The version shown in the System Information is the same as the one on the support page from 2018.


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 01:06 PM, Isak Sand wrote:
The UEFI/Bios update may be of interest. I tried to install it, but I'm not sure whether it succeeded or not.
If you got to a point where you were told to restart the machine to finish, and the machine has actually restarted, you've definitely succeeded.
 
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Hello,

You're absolutely right. When pressing Caps Lock +K, I hear 20, 20, 75, 75.
So have I understood correctly that when a key command with two keys works as it should, one will hear the modifier key, so to speak, first and last, but if it says the modifier key, in this case Caps Lock which is 20, two times consecutively, it would not work as a modifier key in this case?

Here anyway some more test results:
Right Control+K: 162, 75, 75, 162
Left Control + K: 163, 75, 75, 163
Left Shift + K: 160, 75, 75, 160
Right Shift + K: 161, 75, 75, 161
For all other keys I tried, § to the left of 1, Print Screen, Delete and some others, it said the other value than 75 twice before 75.

Does this all theoretically mean that I could have Left Shift as an NVDA key and do everything Shift is needed for with the right one? Not convenient, but maybe kind of doable, since right shift is rather big and the keyboard itself small.


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Tyler Spivey
 

Try something.
Start key test, and press caps+k.
You should hear 20, 75, 75, 20.
My guess is that instead, you'll hear 20, 20, 75, 75.

Also, try that with other keys, for example the key to the left of 1 (`
on my keyboard). If that works, we can set the modifier to that with the
code.

On 5/30/2020 10:06 AM, Isak Sand wrote:
Hello,

First of all, Chris, Windows+B gives the VK codes "91, 66, 91, 66".
To me it seems like the keyboard does not allow any other than certain
keys to be pressed together with other ones. If I'm in the keyboard help
and press, say, Alt+Control+Shift+K, NVDA will read out every key. When
I add Caps Lock to that huge command, it will still say
"AltControl+Shift+K", so it kind of just leaves the NVDA key outside the
command. Exactly the same happens if I add Insert or the < key that
Tyler defined in the Add-on.

I have looked at the manual driver page, and there are only two things
showing up there: that Bios update you mentioned and then a rather
inaccessible piece of software called Rescue and Smart Assistant.
I haven't been able to find anything keyboard-related to this machine.
The keyboard drivers that show up in Device Manager are HID drivers.

The UEFI/Bios update may be of interest. I tried to install it, but I'm
not sure whether it succeeded or not. Maybe I should try to figure out
which Bios version it has now and whether it matches that newer one. The
Exe file I found in the Zip file for the Bios update just seemed to do
nothing and when I tried Install.cmd, the computer said straight away
something like "press any key to continue".


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Hello,

First of all, Chris, Windows+B gives the VK codes "91, 66, 91, 66".
To me it seems like the keyboard does not allow any other than certain keys to be pressed together with other ones. If I'm in the keyboard help and press, say, Alt+Control+Shift+K, NVDA will read out every key. When I add Caps Lock to that huge command, it will still say "AltControl+Shift+K", so it kind of just leaves the NVDA key outside the command. Exactly the same happens if I add Insert or the < key that Tyler defined in the Add-on.

I have looked at the manual driver page, and there are only two things showing up there: that Bios update you mentioned and then a rather inaccessible piece of software called Rescue and Smart Assistant.
I haven't been able to find anything keyboard-related to this machine. The keyboard drivers that show up in Device Manager are HID drivers.

The UEFI/Bios update may be of interest. I tried to install it, but I'm not sure whether it succeeded or not. Maybe I should try to figure out which Bios version it has now and whether it matches that newer one. The Exe file I found in the Zip file for the Bios update just seemed to do nothing and when I tried Install.cmd, the computer said straight away something like "press any key to continue".


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Isak,

           There are several things I would suggest you do, the first of which is to make certain that all of the Lenovo supplied drivers are up to date on your machine.  The webpage on their support site for this, where you drop in to the Automatic Driver Update tab, where there is a Start Scan button, is:  https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/tablets/miix-series/miix-630-12q35/downloads/automatic-driver-update

If you prefer to land in the manual tab instead:  https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/tablets/miix-series/miix-630-12q35/downloads/driver-list
but there are a range of settings you need to select from at the top to see the driver(s) you might need, and not all at once, so in this case I'd suggest allowing the automatic scan.

There was a BIOS/UEFI update from 2018, and it could be possible your machine does not have that, and that can have an impact on all hardware, including the keyboard.

I can find no image or diagram of the actual keyboard layout itself either in the User Guide or Hardware Maintenance Manual, but as you've already indicated they state it is a full-sized keyboard, which generally means at the very least having an Insert key, and very often a number pad (though not necessarily for a convertible tablet keyboard).

I suspect either the keyboard driver, UEFI/BIOS, or some interaction between the two is a hitch in the proverbial gitty-up here.  There's no logical reason for what you describe, though I have no doubt it's happening.
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