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Re: review of free office

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Was it perhaps needing Java?
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] review of free office


Hi.

Well I have to agree with rosemery here.

Free office text input ariea for the text maker was itself accessible, but the menus I couldn't access them, the interface for the office menus with alt did not come up.

I also tried flexy pdf, I couldn't choose my interface, and while flexy pdf was installed as part of my review tests with the way freeoffice was I quickly went off the idea.

Ofcause I made an system restore for the thing just before I killed things, but yeah, still not happy with it all.

I will have to move back to libre office I think.




Re: OnMouseOver

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Yes, often you get onmouse right onmouseleft onmouseup and onmousedown in the page scripts I've seen and most of these pages are pretty inaccessible to any screenreader without some kind of mouse slide emulation and the ability to detect what has changed, go to it while leaving the mouse where it is.
I hate them.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OnMouseOver


Clickable is unrelated to mouseover. A clickable item is something you can click, in keyboard terms press enter on, that is not a link, button, or other structure that is known to be clickable to the user. It may just be text that is made clickable in some way I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss. . So it is identified as clickable so the user knows.

Mouseover is a link you can hover the mouse over and the page will change in some way. Mouseover links can also be followed, with the action of a standard link being taken.

Yu may be having a problem but whatever it is, it isn't related to mouseover.

Gene
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From: Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OnMouseOver


OK, my apologies since this is really getting off topic:



I am attempting to see if the below is still happening and if there is an issue with the code developers are using.



BEGIN Quote:

Jaws 15, 17, 18

Browser: IE11, FF 48, Chrome 54



Steps:





Issue:

Jaws reading the Quick Search tab, Advanced Search tab, circle cross close button and then reading the paragraph in the Quick search. In this paragraph

it is reading clickable after every line.

End Quote



Take care,



Jonathan





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] OnMouseOver
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The command to move to the next mouseover element is semicolon.



But why do you think mouseover has anything to do with oververbosity? All that happens when you move to a mouseover element is that JAWS announces the word "mouseover" after it announces the element. If you don't use the mouseover simulation command on the element, that's all that happens.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] OnMouseOver



Brian,

Could you please provide an example I know JAWS has keystrokes to jump to mouseover / clickable elements but was having trouble tracking down a recent issue on an non-NVDA system relating to over-verbosity of JAWS in some circumstances.

Thanks,
Jonathan Cohn
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Subject: [nvda] Onmouseover
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I notice that the latest version of Jaws is now flagging these clickable elements on web sites. is this a good thing, and should nvda be doing the same?
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Re: how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty five, etc

Antony Stone
 

There appears to be a feature request for precisely this open since February
2016: https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/90

Antony.

On Tuesday 21 August 2018 at 13:29:13, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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Roman 6 parliament etc is annoying, and of course if its written with
spaces, its ok.
It would be nice though if espeak, particularly could be set to ignore
roman numerals completely. How often do you actually use them as such?
I guess copyright lawyers may, but nobody else unless they quote
Shakespeare or are history scholars!
Brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as
fifty five, etc

That is done by the synth itself.

You can use the speech dictionary to override it. So if you want IV to
be read as "I", "V" rather than 4, add a new entry and in the pattern to
match, type "iv"; in the replacement field, type "i v" (put a space in
between the letters, don't use quotes), and select the "Whole word"
radio button.

Of course you would have to do the same for each potential combination,
but if there are several which you encounter regularly then it could be
worthwhile for those at least.

Regards

Quentin.

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Which synth are you using. I've not been able to stop it in Espeak.
Its really irritating as we have an organisation here called VI
Parliament which gets said as Roman 6 Parliament!

Brian

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Subject: [nvda] how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as
fifty
five, etc


Hi,

whenever NVDA come across something as LV CD XX XXX XXX etc will
processed as numbers where I want to stop such process, how would I be
able to do that?

Thanks,
William
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Re: OnMouseOver

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This was on results on the startpage search engine.
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OnMouseOver


Brian,

Could you please provide an example I know JAWS has keystrokes to jump to mouseover / clickable elements but was having trouble tracking down a recent issue on an non-NVDA system relating to over-verbosity of JAWS in some circumstances.

Thanks,
Jonathan Cohn
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Subject: [nvda] Onmouseover
Importance: Low

I notice that the latest version of Jaws is now flagging these clickable elements on web sites. is this a good thing, and should nvda be doing the same?
Brian

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Re: Onmouseover

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Yes my point really, I've only recently had Jaws on the machine for completeness. In the main its very verbose, but then I guess one can control that. Not found its pronunciation dictionary yet, it says site E Map where NVDA gets it right.
Anyway, I'm not going to talk Jaws here, it would be bad!
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Onmouseover


JAWS has announced mouseover links for a long time. No other screen=-reader I have used or tried has. I've useed or tried System Access, Window-eyes, and NVDA. Unless mouseover links do things that matter more than years ago, it may not matter. Most of the time in the past, when I would use the JAWS mouseover link feature, the page wouldn't change in any way that mattered. Those who know more about how mouseover links are used now will be able to give a current perspective.

In order to implement a mouseover feature, just flagging a link is inadequate. You have to have announced, when on the link and when a command has given, whether the page has changed and at what line. Then, you need a jump to line command so you can move to that line. You also need a return to previous position command.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Onmouseover


I notice that the latest version of Jaws is now flagging these clickable
elements on web sites. is this a good thing, and should nvda be doing the
same?
Brian

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Re: how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty five, etc

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Roman 6 parliament etc is annoying, and of course if its written with spaces, its ok.
It would be nice though if espeak, particularly could be set to ignore roman numerals completely. How often do you actually use them as such?
I guess copyright lawyers may, but nobody else unless they quote Shakespeare or are history scholars!
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty five, etc


That is done by the synth itself.

You can use the speech dictionary to override it. So if you want IV to be
read as "I", "V" rather than 4, add a new entry and in the pattern to
match, type "iv"; in the replacement field, type "i v" (put a space in
between the letters, don't use quotes), and select the "Whole word" radio
button.

Of course you would have to do the same for each potential combination, but
if there are several which you encounter regularly then it could be
worthwhile for those at least.

Regards

Quentin.

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bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Which synth are you using. I've not been able to stop it in Espeak.
Its really irritating as we have an organisation here called VI Parliament
which gets said as Roman 6 Parliament!

Brian

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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty
five, etc


Hi,
whenever NVDA come across something as LV CD XX XXX XXX etc will
processed as numbers where I want to stop such process, how would I be able
to do that?

Thanks,
William






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Spell Checking With NVDA

Wilco
 

Hi,

 

I realise from a quick root around on this board that the question of how NVDA handles the spell checker in MS Word is not a new issue. I don’t want to waste anyone’s time, but since this is such a crucial issue for me I just wanted to triple check that I have understood the situation correctly.

 

We’re running Word 2016 at work at the moment. Am I right in thinking that NVDA will only read the different parts of the spell check dialogue if you navigate around using the object navigation commands?

 

With JAWS, when I go to spell check a document, JAWS will automatically say something like ‘spelling’, then announce the misspelt word, then ‘suggestions’ and then the first word in the list of suggested replacements, which is where the focus is. All this is announced automatically, without the need for any navigating around or keyboard commands. Then, if the first suggestion isn’t the one I want, I can cursor up and down and use the keyboard shortcuts for change or ignore etc.

 

It’s a really slick implementation of the spell checker dialogue because it means I can skip through a big document really quickly, and if the first suggestion is the one I want, which it is a lot of the time, I can just press C or I without the need to waste time navigating around and digging up what my options are for each spelling error, which feels massively clunky and time consuming by comparison.

 

As a professional writer, if it is correct that NVDA doesn’t offer any kind of automatic vocal feedback that summarises the spell checker dialogue as a whole, without the need to scout around using navigation keys, then this might be a deal breaker.

 

Cheers.


Re: The Way NVDA Announces Punctuation As I Type

Wilco
 

Hi Gene. The main query was about how NVDA talks as I type. In that last post I threw in the point about how NDA reads back what I have typed, but that was purely an incidental remark. There was no query or wider point associated with it. It was just an observation.


VLC meedia player with nvda

Caleb Neyenhuis
 

Hi all
I am trying to play a dvd with vlc meedia player
But it gets stuck at the intro whitch then means i have to press play like a normal dvd player
But it is all ready playing
Does any one know how to get to the next lpart where it plays
Thanks


Re: Query for any DJs in the group

Charles Adkins
 

I think that's a wonderful solution, that way you have total control just like the old-school days. Theres nothing like manual fading and manual segways. Computers are rather cheap nowadays and you certainly don't need something that powerful with all the bells and whistles just to play audio files. 


On Aug 21, 2018, at 5:08 AM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma@...> wrote:

Hello there,

I am a blind dj in Pittsburgh, pa in t eh states.

I have done it prior to my loosing my sight with two turntables and vinyl records.

Since loosing my sight I have successfully did it using two computers and a standard mixer.

One computer for each turntable per say, I have two qsc powered speakers that are totally awesome.

I have tested the system in my house for about a year and am very comfident in it.

I use nvda as the screen reader on the computers and just use media player for playing the music, I have nvda to be set at no speech when media is playing, thus when I press enter on a song media player automatically starts and there is no speech so the song just plays and no speech is heard over the speakers.

If you have any more questions, just feel free to ask.

Rich

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 1:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Query for any DJs in the group

 

Hi Quentin,

 

I suggest Station Playlist Studio for mixing with several decks and streaming.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 06:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Query for any DJs in the group

 

Hi folks,

 

I had a query from someone about accessible software for DJs - they want to use a laptop both for storing music and playing back / controlling speakers etc.

 

So, what do (or don't) you use?  What would you recommend to someone new?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: Query for any DJs in the group

Richard Kuzma
 

Hello there,

I am a blind dj in Pittsburgh, pa in t eh states.

I have done it prior to my loosing my sight with two turntables and vinyl records.

Since loosing my sight I have successfully did it using two computers and a standard mixer.

One computer for each turntable per say, I have two qsc powered speakers that are totally awesome.

I have tested the system in my house for about a year and am very comfident in it.

I use nvda as the screen reader on the computers and just use media player for playing the music, I have nvda to be set at no speech when media is playing, thus when I press enter on a song media player automatically starts and there is no speech so the song just plays and no speech is heard over the speakers.

If you have any more questions, just feel free to ask.

Rich

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 1:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Query for any DJs in the group

 

Hi Quentin,

 

I suggest Station Playlist Studio for mixing with several decks and streaming.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 06:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Query for any DJs in the group

 

Hi folks,

 

I had a query from someone about accessible software for DJs - they want to use a laptop both for storing music and playing back / controlling speakers etc.

 

So, what do (or don't) you use?  What would you recommend to someone new?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: academics and employment

Felix G.
 

Hi,
yes, there is a lot that screen readers can learn from each other, especially in terms of how they deal with the relatively new UIA challenge. If only people worked together more on this.
Best,
Felix

Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> schrieb am Di., 21. Aug. 2018 um 03:06 Uhr:

Hi,

I also urge anyone else having this issue to go here and comment.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8239


On 20-Aug-2018 8:03 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Regarding jaws being more heavyweight, I urge folks to copy, paste, or
> delete a file in windows explorer with NVDA and see what happens.
>
>
> For someone who does this on a daily basis for work, this is by far
> the biggest shortcoming. It's existed since windows 10 came into being
> and still exists today.
>
> There was someone on youtube the other day who had this exact same
> problem without any provocation - blind flightsimmer is his name.
> Shift tabbing from a file name edit box to try and browse the files,
> NVDA remained stubbornly silent whereas jaws read the list, first try.
>
>
> As far as jaws crashing goes, jaws, for me at least, has been
> recovering far more reliably than NVDA. That didn't used to be the
> case. Ever since I switched to chrome though NVDA and jaws have both
> been doing fantastically in comparison to firefox 60.
>
> On 20-Aug-2018 7:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>> Carrot brousing was usefull in the day for the blind, it made things
>> more accessible.
>>
>> Screenreaders were not as smart then.
>>
>> It was back in 1995 it was usefull.
>>
>> Not so much now, os and readers are smarter now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2018 12:47 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> These things must be tested before it is known if they are at all
>>> useful.  Karret browsing is of no benefit to blind users.  I tested
>>> it because I thought that was what I had seen when I tested it a
>>> long time ago and my memory is correct.
>>>
>>> When you turn it on, if you were in browse mode, you stay in browse
>>> mode.  If you turn browse mode off, nothing is different from having
>>> karret mode off.   You hear nothing or nothing meaningful when you
>>> move using movement keys and you can't select text with shift and
>>> arrow keys.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:54 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; nvda@groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> It is my understanding that with both IE and Firefox one can enable
>>> the “caret browsing” functionality to allow selection of information
>>> from the Browser rendering rather than the virtual buffer when
>>> selecting on the web. SO, this should be another technique for
>>> retrieving content with its formatting intact.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker,
>>> Michael E. (UMSL-Student)
>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:30 PM
>>> To: nvda@groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] academics and employment
>>> Importance: Low
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> It is Mike who was talking to you all earlier about copy and paste.
>>> I am now on my personal e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to clarify what was said about the copy and paste system on
>>> the web needing to be perfected, for NVDA to be adequate for college
>>> and employment. Let us take a moment to think about what NVDA does
>>> for us, because of the hundreds if not thousands of man hours of
>>> development put into this. I pulled down the source from GitHub,
>>> after talking with Joseph Lee, to gain an appreciation of what goes
>>> into building this thing. It is incredible. I work for the Boeing
>>> Company. That is right. It is the same company that builds all the
>>> airplanes and Defense, Space, and security systems. I use NVDA as my
>>> primary screen reader in Git BASH, and Visual Studio Code. NVDA is
>>> what helped me build the Angular template for Boeing’s frontend
>>> architecture reference implementation. I only ever turn on JAWS, if
>>> I am using something highly proprietary like Citrix.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I think NVDA could use some improvements that proprietary screen
>>> readers have? Absolutely, but we must also remember the
>>> imperfections of proprietary readers. NVDA is the best reader I have
>>> found that supports Notepad++ and SQL Server Management Studio where
>>> JAWS repeats the lines, when I down arrow. JAWS is also way more
>>> heavyweight, and crashes over the simplest things. I cannot remember
>>> the last time NVDA froze.
>>>
>>>
>>> Overall, what we need is an attitude of gratitude. NVDA is plenty
>>> suited for education and employment, despite its imperfection and
>>> need for a bit of improvement. Let me close out by saying use
>>> Microsoft Narrator full-time for education and employment, or even
>>> Orca for Linux. They do not have half the shit NVDA does.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for taking the time to volunteer and develop NVDA.
>>> Keep up the great work! I will use NVDA until the day I die over JAWS.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mighty Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Query for any DJs in the group

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hi Quentin,

 

I suggest Station Playlist Studio for mixing with several decks and streaming.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 06:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Query for any DJs in the group

 

Hi folks,

 

I had a query from someone about accessible software for DJs - they want to use a laptop both for storing music and playing back / controlling speakers etc.

 

So, what do (or don't) you use?  What would you recommend to someone new?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

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Query for any DJs in the group

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi folks,

I had a query from someone about accessible software for DJs - they want to use a laptop both for storing music and playing back / controlling speakers etc.

So, what do (or don't) you use?  What would you recommend to someone new?

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: academics and employment

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

I also urge anyone else having this issue to go here and comment.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8239

On 20-Aug-2018 8:03 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Hi,

Regarding jaws being more heavyweight, I urge folks to copy, paste, or delete a file in windows explorer with NVDA and see what happens.


For someone who does this on a daily basis for work, this is by far the biggest shortcoming. It's existed since windows 10 came into being and still exists today.

There was someone on youtube the other day who had this exact same problem without any provocation - blind flightsimmer is his name. Shift tabbing from a file name edit box to try and browse the files, NVDA remained stubbornly silent whereas jaws read the list, first try.


As far as jaws crashing goes, jaws, for me at least, has been recovering far more reliably than NVDA. That didn't used to be the case. Ever since I switched to chrome though NVDA and jaws have both been doing fantastically in comparison to firefox 60.

On 20-Aug-2018 7:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Carrot brousing was usefull in the day for the blind, it made things more accessible.

Screenreaders were not as smart then.

It was back in 1995 it was usefull.

Not so much now, os and readers are smarter now.



On 8/21/2018 12:47 PM, Gene wrote:
These things must be tested before it is known if they are at all useful.  Karret browsing is of no benefit to blind users.  I tested it because I thought that was what I had seen when I tested it a long time ago and my memory is correct.

When you turn it on, if you were in browse mode, you stay in browse mode.  If you turn browse mode off, nothing is different from having karret mode off.   You hear nothing or nothing meaningful when you move using movement keys and you can't select text with shift and arrow keys.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment


Hello,


It is my understanding that with both IE and Firefox one can enable the “caret browsing” functionality to allow selection of information from the Browser rendering rather than the virtual buffer when selecting on the web. SO, this should be another technique for retrieving content with its formatting intact.


Best Wishes,


Jonathan Cohn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] academics and employment
Importance: Low


Hello,


It is Mike who was talking to you all earlier about copy and paste. I am now on my personal e-mail.


I want to clarify what was said about the copy and paste system on the web needing to be perfected, for NVDA to be adequate for college and employment. Let us take a moment to think about what NVDA does for us, because of the hundreds if not thousands of man hours of development put into this. I pulled down the source from GitHub, after talking with Joseph Lee, to gain an appreciation of what goes into building this thing. It is incredible. I work for the Boeing Company. That is right. It is the same company that builds all the airplanes and Defense, Space, and security systems. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader in Git BASH, and Visual Studio Code. NVDA is what helped me build the Angular template for Boeing’s frontend architecture reference implementation. I only ever turn on JAWS, if I am using something highly proprietary like Citrix.


Do I think NVDA could use some improvements that proprietary screen readers have? Absolutely, but we must also remember the imperfections of proprietary readers. NVDA is the best reader I have found that supports Notepad++ and SQL Server Management Studio where JAWS repeats the lines, when I down arrow. JAWS is also way more heavyweight, and crashes over the simplest things. I cannot remember the last time NVDA froze.


Overall, what we need is an attitude of gratitude. NVDA is plenty suited for education and employment, despite its imperfection and need for a bit of improvement. Let me close out by saying use Microsoft Narrator full-time for education and employment, or even Orca for Linux. They do not have half the shit NVDA does.


Thank you so much for taking the time to volunteer and develop NVDA. Keep up the great work! I will use NVDA until the day I die over JAWS.


Mighty Mike








Re: academics and employment

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Regarding jaws being more heavyweight, I urge folks to copy, paste, or delete a file in windows explorer with NVDA and see what happens.


For someone who does this on a daily basis for work, this is by far the biggest shortcoming. It's existed since windows 10 came into being and still exists today.

There was someone on youtube the other day who had this exact same problem without any provocation - blind flightsimmer is his name. Shift tabbing from a file name edit box to try and browse the files, NVDA remained stubbornly silent whereas jaws read the list, first try.


As far as jaws crashing goes, jaws, for me at least, has been recovering far more reliably than NVDA. That didn't used to be the case. Ever since I switched to chrome though NVDA and jaws have both been doing fantastically in comparison to firefox 60.

On 20-Aug-2018 7:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Carrot brousing was usefull in the day for the blind, it made things more accessible.

Screenreaders were not as smart then.

It was back in 1995 it was usefull.

Not so much now, os and readers are smarter now.



On 8/21/2018 12:47 PM, Gene wrote:
These things must be tested before it is known if they are at all useful.  Karret browsing is of no benefit to blind users.  I tested it because I thought that was what I had seen when I tested it a long time ago and my memory is correct.

When you turn it on, if you were in browse mode, you stay in browse mode.  If you turn browse mode off, nothing is different from having karret mode off.   You hear nothing or nothing meaningful when you move using movement keys and you can't select text with shift and arrow keys.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment


Hello,


It is my understanding that with both IE and Firefox one can enable the “caret browsing” functionality to allow selection of information from the Browser rendering rather than the virtual buffer when selecting on the web. SO, this should be another technique for retrieving content with its formatting intact.


Best Wishes,


Jonathan Cohn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] academics and employment
Importance: Low


Hello,


It is Mike who was talking to you all earlier about copy and paste. I am now on my personal e-mail.


I want to clarify what was said about the copy and paste system on the web needing to be perfected, for NVDA to be adequate for college and employment. Let us take a moment to think about what NVDA does for us, because of the hundreds if not thousands of man hours of development put into this. I pulled down the source from GitHub, after talking with Joseph Lee, to gain an appreciation of what goes into building this thing. It is incredible. I work for the Boeing Company. That is right. It is the same company that builds all the airplanes and Defense, Space, and security systems. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader in Git BASH, and Visual Studio Code. NVDA is what helped me build the Angular template for Boeing’s frontend architecture reference implementation. I only ever turn on JAWS, if I am using something highly proprietary like Citrix.


Do I think NVDA could use some improvements that proprietary screen readers have? Absolutely, but we must also remember the imperfections of proprietary readers. NVDA is the best reader I have found that supports Notepad++ and SQL Server Management Studio where JAWS repeats the lines, when I down arrow. JAWS is also way more heavyweight, and crashes over the simplest things. I cannot remember the last time NVDA froze.


Overall, what we need is an attitude of gratitude. NVDA is plenty suited for education and employment, despite its imperfection and need for a bit of improvement. Let me close out by saying use Microsoft Narrator full-time for education and employment, or even Orca for Linux. They do not have half the shit NVDA does.


Thank you so much for taking the time to volunteer and develop NVDA. Keep up the great work! I will use NVDA until the day I die over JAWS.


Mighty Mike






Re: academics and employment

 

Carrot brousing was usefull in the day for the blind, it made things more accessible.

Screenreaders were not as smart then.

It was back in 1995 it was usefull.

Not so much now, os and readers are smarter now.

On 8/21/2018 12:47 PM, Gene wrote:
These things must be tested before it is known if they are at all useful. Karret browsing is of no benefit to blind users. I tested it because I thought that was what I had seen when I tested it a long time ago and my memory is correct.

When you turn it on, if you were in browse mode, you stay in browse mode. If you turn browse mode off, nothing is different from having karret mode off. You hear nothing or nothing meaningful when you move using movement keys and you can't select text with shift and arrow keys.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment


Hello,


It is my understanding that with both IE and Firefox one can enable the “caret browsing” functionality to allow selection of information from the Browser rendering rather than the virtual buffer when selecting on the web. SO, this should be another technique for retrieving content with its formatting intact.


Best Wishes,


Jonathan Cohn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] academics and employment
Importance: Low


Hello,


It is Mike who was talking to you all earlier about copy and paste. I am now on my personal e-mail.


I want to clarify what was said about the copy and paste system on the web needing to be perfected, for NVDA to be adequate for college and employment. Let us take a moment to think about what NVDA does for us, because of the hundreds if not thousands of man hours of development put into this. I pulled down the source from GitHub, after talking with Joseph Lee, to gain an appreciation of what goes into building this thing. It is incredible. I work for the Boeing Company. That is right. It is the same company that builds all the airplanes and Defense, Space, and security systems. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader in Git BASH, and Visual Studio Code. NVDA is what helped me build the Angular template for Boeing’s frontend architecture reference implementation. I only ever turn on JAWS, if I am using something highly proprietary like Citrix.


Do I think NVDA could use some improvements that proprietary screen readers have? Absolutely, but we must also remember the imperfections of proprietary readers. NVDA is the best reader I have found that supports Notepad++ and SQL Server Management Studio where JAWS repeats the lines, when I down arrow. JAWS is also way more heavyweight, and crashes over the simplest things. I cannot remember the last time NVDA froze.


Overall, what we need is an attitude of gratitude. NVDA is plenty suited for education and employment, despite its imperfection and need for a bit of improvement. Let me close out by saying use Microsoft Narrator full-time for education and employment, or even Orca for Linux. They do not have half the shit NVDA does.


Thank you so much for taking the time to volunteer and develop NVDA. Keep up the great work! I will use NVDA until the day I die over JAWS.


Mighty Mike





Re: academics and employment

Gene
 

These things must be tested before it is known if they are at all useful.  Karret browsing is of no benefit to blind users.  I tested it because I thought that was what I had seen when I tested it a long time ago and my memory is correct. 
 
When you turn it on, if you were in browse mode, you stay in browse mode.  If you turn browse mode off, nothing is different from having karret mode off.   You hear nothing or nothing meaningful when you move using movement keys and you can't select text with shift and arrow keys. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment

Hello,

 

It is my understanding that with both IE and Firefox one can enable the “caret browsing” functionality to allow selection of information from the Browser rendering rather than the virtual buffer when selecting on the web. SO, this should be another technique for retrieving content with its formatting intact.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] academics and employment
Importance: Low

 

Hello,

 

It is Mike who was talking to you all earlier about copy and paste. I am now on my personal e-mail.

 

I want to clarify what was said about the copy and paste system on the web needing to be perfected, for NVDA to be adequate for college and employment. Let us take a moment to think about what NVDA does for us, because of the hundreds if not thousands of man hours of development put into this. I pulled down the source from GitHub, after talking with Joseph Lee, to gain an appreciation of what goes into building this thing. It is incredible. I work for the Boeing Company. That is right. It is the same company that builds all the airplanes and Defense, Space, and security systems. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader in Git BASH, and Visual Studio Code. NVDA is what helped me build the Angular template for Boeing’s frontend architecture reference implementation. I only ever turn on JAWS, if I am using something highly proprietary like Citrix.

 

Do I think NVDA could use some improvements that proprietary screen readers have? Absolutely, but we must also remember the imperfections of proprietary readers. NVDA is the best reader I have found that supports Notepad++ and SQL Server Management Studio where JAWS repeats the lines, when I down arrow. JAWS is also way more heavyweight, and crashes over the simplest things. I cannot remember the last time NVDA froze.

 

Overall, what we need is an attitude of gratitude. NVDA is plenty suited for education and employment, despite its imperfection and need for a bit of improvement. Let me close out by saying use Microsoft Narrator full-time for education and employment, or even Orca for Linux. They do not have half the shit NVDA does.

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to volunteer and develop NVDA. Keep up the great work! I will use NVDA until the day I die over JAWS.

 

Mighty Mike


Re: The Essential Video Recorder

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

It depends on the keyboard layout you are using.
if you are using the desktop layout, route the mouse to the button with nvda plus numpad slash and left click with numpad slash alone.
if you are using the laptop layout, route the mouse with shift plus nvda plus m. Left click with nvda plus left bracket.

Hth,
George

-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 6:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Essential Video Recorder

How do you rout the mouse pointer and left click?

On 8/19/18, George McCoy <slr1bpz@charter.net> wrote:
If enter and/or spacebar will not click the buttons, how about routing the
mouse pointer and left clicking?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The Essential Video Recorder

Greetings everyone,

I recently downloaded from Microsoft website the Essential Video
Recorder, but I have not been able to use it with NVDA.
I pressed enter on start recording button but did not work. Other
buttons did not function, either.
Has anyone of you tried it?
I would appreciate your comments.
Nevzat







Re: how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty five, etc

Quentin Christensen
 

That is done by the synth itself.

You can use the speech dictionary to override it.  So if you want IV to be read as "I", "V" rather than 4, add a new entry and in the pattern to match, type "iv"; in the replacement field, type "i v" (put a space in between the letters, don't use quotes), and select the "Whole word" radio button.

Of course you would have to do the same for each potential combination, but if there are several which you encounter regularly then it could be worthwhile for those at least.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Which synth are you using. I've not been able to stop it in Espeak.
Its really irritating as we have an organisation here called VI Parliament which gets said as Roman 6 Parliament!

Brian

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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty five, etc


Hi,
whenever NVDA come across something as LV CD XX XXX XXX etc will processed as numbers where I want to stop such process, how would I be able to do that?

Thanks,
William










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