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Re: NVDA keeping another process open

Felix G.
 

Hi!
There's one thing all these programs have in common. I don't know if
this is relevant but: They all have a splash screen.
Best,
Felix
Am Do., 23. Aug. 2018 um 15:11 Uhr schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:


Hi Group,


I see this many times with the Office Suite--in particular Microsoft Access.



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Hmm, I've seen this with other office bits as well, like Access
runtime for example.
Maybe its still hooked into the code of these older applications
making windows unable to close them due to this.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping another process open


Hi!
Has anyone else noticed that when NVDA is running, it seems to keep
some other processes permanently open? For example, there is a
development environment, let's call it x, which I use for creating a
software component. Strangely, when I open x and then close it again,
it stays running as a process in task manager, but as soon as I close
NVDA it also closes. I've tried with two other screen readers and they
don't affect it in this way, that is, with those running, the process
stops immediately when I close its window. So NVDA seems to do
something to certain other processes which keeps them from
terminating.
I noticed the same with Outlook 2007, by the way, which I am still
using on one machine. That also won't close as long as NVDA is
running, but as soon as I exit NVDA, Outlook closes along with it.
Other screen readers don't affect Outlook in this way.
Best,
Felix





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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




Re: NVDA keeping another process open

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I see this many times with the Office Suite--in particular Microsoft Access.

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Hmm, I've seen this with other  office bits as well, like Access runtime for example.
Maybe its still hooked into the code of these older applications making windows unable to close them due to this.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping another process open


Hi!
Has anyone else noticed that when NVDA is running, it seems to keep
some other processes permanently open? For example, there is a
development environment, let's call it x, which  I use for creating a
software component. Strangely, when I open x and then close it again,
it stays running as a process in task manager, but as soon as I close
NVDA it also closes. I've tried with two other screen readers and they
don't affect it in this way, that is, with those running, the process
stops immediately when I close its window. So NVDA seems to do
something to certain other processes which keeps them from
terminating.
I noticed the same with Outlook 2007, by the way, which I am still
using on one machine. That also won't close as long as NVDA is
running, but as soon as I exit NVDA, Outlook closes along with it.
Other screen readers don't affect Outlook in this way.
Best,
Felix




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Re: Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

Thats good to know, thanks.

The problem is that they are not working! How can I check them?

 

Just to be sure that we are speaking about the same things, I am referring to using formulas in the rules for conditional formatting under the Home menu in Excel.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

 

NVDA shouldn't stop conditional formatting from working, and should be able to announce colours, both foreground text and background fill.

 

Have you checked that your conditional formatting formulas are working?  They can be fiddly to get right sometimes.

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin et al,

 

 

I have read and carefully followed the steps for setting a new rule using a formula to change the fill colour of a row based on a certain word appearing in a particular column.

 

The procedure for editing rules is really straightforward and yet I cannot get it to take the fill colour. NVDA reports no colour even though the colour is flagged as selected. The no colour status is probably true, because the colour does not appear when the key word is present in the chosen cell.

 

My question is: Does NVDA definitely enable the selection of the fill colour when editing a new rule?

 

If so, how?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian,

 

This is excellent! I followed your steps and it worked exactly as you describe. The trick is to arrow right until the white comes around second time, as you say. I then pressed up or down-arrow until the variant of my colour came up.

 

I did have the three RGB colour values from a previous setting that a sighted person had selected so I watched out and they came up under the up and down arrow process.

 

When I tab away from the first element that shows no colour, There are four other buttons:

Fill Effects...

More Colors...

Pattern Color Automatic

Pattern Solid Pattern control

 

And then, finally, OK

 

Have you any experience of using these other tabs? What did you have to do to be sure that you could accurately detect what was selected?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 12:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

 

Cearbhall,

           I can set it, and NVDA is announcing the color when I select it from the grid that's presented.  I did not try the "More Colors" button.

           Be aware that the first button on the "Fill" tab is "No Color" and it's always there, and first, in case you want to clear any color that you may previously have used.  After you select the color you want, the "No Color" button is still there and prominently featured.  Once you land on the No Color Button, you must right arrow through the first set of colours, which start with white, and when you hear white again you're in the grid where you can down/up/left/right arrow your way around.  It may be easier to avoid all this altogether if you know the RGB value for the background color you wish to use.  If that's the case, go directly to the "More Colors" button and activate it, then if you're not already on the custom colours tab of the More Colors dialog, navigate to it.  The default color model is RGB and you can then get to the red, green, and blue edit boxes and enter the values for the background color you want, and hit OK.

But even if I used NVDA with the color selection toolbar/grid, as soon as I right arrowed off of the "No Color" button NVDA began announcing the colours and their respective RGB values, and allowing me to select the one I was currently on.
--

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Re: regular expression and speech dic

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Brian, you are so smart for helping me, many thanks.

In fact why I created such a regular expression is because what I have created in the speech dic didn't work.
I first created a whole word speech dic of "lv" and replace by a speech "level"
and found that most of the time lv will be spoken as level instead, except when lv is followed by numbers immediately.
Therefore I want to create some like a regular expression to include all "lv" that is not followed by any english word.
 


 
 

Brian Vogel 於 23/8/2018 10:18 寫道:

William,

          Your problem is that the "lv" matches those two characters exactly, but "(^a-z)" captures ONE character that is not lower case a through lower case z.

           If you want something of the form "lv12" pronounced as "level 12" you would use the regular expression:   lv([0-9]+)
and the substitution would be:   level \2

           The regular expression I gave says, "Match the characters 'lv' literally, then match one or more repetitions of the numeric digit characters, saving them for later use, which is what the parentheses around that part of the expression does.   Since you know the "lv" is to be pronounced "level," there's no need to capture it for later use, but you need the digit sequence, whatever it may be, to be spoken later, and the parentheses allow it to be referred to later, as a unit as "\2" [the second match, where "lv" was the first match, but not saved because there were no parentheses around it].

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Re: ccleaner update 5.45 is bugged

 

Well you may have to reformat to get things to work I had to do that to another system to get rid of avast.

I use the portable now and that at least gives me ccleaner, if you use it on 7 you at least can configure the damn thing manually if you need to, and set up the ini file.

Even so, you will have to sacrofice ease of use with icons but thats a price I am willing to pay.

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Yes, I still have an installed version but its been maimed in its snooping and I have no intention of downloading an installer since they started the underhand task install to download avast in the background and present it at a later time. Avast is now as far as I am concerned a virus itself. I'm pretty sure that it is what has ruined my dropbox access on two machines. IE the prefs share and browse log in panels are blank and no idea why. The rest of windows is fine.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner update 5.45 is bugged


You can override with 5.44 you don't need to remove it.

Just download and unzip the portable or run the slim installer from the ccleaner builds.

Today I found that I can set the uac skip in advanced settings of ccleaner.

The only difference between the portable and the installed coppies apart from registry settings, and the start menu icons as well as desktop icon isn't much.

In fact bar the avast, the trials and the other malware piriform have now, thats all it is.

You don't actually need to install ccleaner if you know what you are doing.

And with a properly configured ccleaner with my ini file you just won't need to even bother with installer anything now.



On 8/23/2018 9:12 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I have cleaner 5.45. Should I remove it and get 5.44 or just install the .ini file in its folder?

Thanks.

Roger










On 8/22/2018 1:32 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

read this to find out more

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/52406-version-5456611-issue/

I keep getting messages saying 5.45 is not the latest version, today I found out that 5.44 was now the latest version.

Aparently the monitering not being respected, the privacy button being gone and a whole lot of other things were actually bugs.

So for now piriform/avast have withdrawn ccleaner 5.45.

As part of this downdate here is my revised ccleaner ini file with the privacy preffs set.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1











Re: ccleaner update 5.45 is bugged

 

Sadly true.

firstly the avast thing.

This is fine since if you load the slim installer thats not a problem.

Though since I can run portable all I miss are the start and desktop shortcuts and if I set the options and such right I will never need the icons anyway.

I will also not ever need the inaccessible front config panel unless dropbox becomes bankrupt.

I suppose I should thank them for the latest error though.

I will no longer have to worry about the issues around the installed coppy or their stupidness with that version.

It does seem that a lot of people have noticed that the privacy and other issues are broken, the fact they pulled back was probably more likely user outrage and the treat of not complying with gdpr and other things than anything else but for whatever the reason, they have had no choice but to pull back.

Further reading said "some users are using 4.40"

Now to my way of thinking, 4.1 through 4.4x have some undesirable issues as well as the latest version in fact the entire 4.4x branch may itself bebug prone.

Putting that in prospective, the 1.40 branch was when a lot of this issue came up.

And if we pushed it further back combined with the hacking into by disgruntled employees the 1.3x versions were also a problem to.

I think the only reason they still have customers is that nothing else compairs to it, I will never leave ccleaner because I still like a lot of it.

Saying that just like intel they need to fix things before they lose  everything.

In their case, we have had at least 5 such small bugs and modifications all starting with avast taking over.

In support the comment was that they would have a serious descussion with avast about their program accessibility and would withdraw it from their installer, weather that means moving away from it entirely has to be seen.

However it all went wrong when avast took over.

True the front panel has been since the 1.2-1.30 versions been a bit suspect, but if all that was I could let it slide.

The monitering issues, plus the privacy issues, I could let them slide.

Even the latest issues with their settings I could let slide but all of this with avast does concern me.

I ahd the same issue with dvdvideosoft, they used opencandy, and I lost a good os configuration because of spyware, I needed to reformat to get things fixed, I had to spend a lot of cash, some of which went to programs from applian which wile reasonably accessible they are not fully that way and applian don't acknowledge it fully so I have wasted a lot of cash.

With youtube dl 0.3 being the last accessible version of that client 038 to be precise I am starting to wander who I can trust these days.

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Yes they do seem to have a very  common tendency to shoot themselves in the foot since the take over.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner update 5.45 is bugged


Hi.

read this to find out more

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/52406-version-5456611-issue/

I keep getting messages saying 5.45 is not the latest version, today I found out that 5.44 was now the latest version.

Aparently the monitering not being respected, the privacy button being gone and a whole lot of other things were actually bugs.

So for now piriform/avast have withdrawn ccleaner 5.45.

As part of this downdate here is my revised ccleaner ini file with the privacy preffs set.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1






.


Re: Windows 10 and email

 

I use thunderbird 60.

If you want something thats fully accessible and need addons 52.9.1 is the last version of thunderbird that mozilla has before it switched over to the 60x and higher series.

One word of warning though, according to the main thunderbird website that version is never going to get updated again so its going to eventually probably expire probably.

If you don't need addons at all, then the quantom interface for thunderbird works well enough as long as you set messages to open in the same window and turn off tabbed brousing in settings as well as set the home page to inbox.

You may or may not need sighted help to turn off the lightning addon for calendar.

Last time I set it up it did itself.

On 8/23/2018 7:33 PM, Kwork wrote:
I imagine I'll get more than one opinion here, but what do people use in
Windows 10 for email? Other questions would include, accessible out of the
box, and if not, what needs to happen, additional tweaks, apps, etc. Thanks
for any help!



Re: NVDA keeping another process open

Felix G.
 

Yes, something along these lines appears to be happening. With old
Office apps I can sort of understand why it might be the case, as
there are ancient COM interfaces being used, and these might force a
process to stay running as long as they are not released by the
client. But why my development environment, which doesn't get any
special treatment from NVDA?
Let's gather data on this by periodically closing everything and
checking which processes are still present, then restarting NVDA to
see how many of them this gets rid of. Once fixed, this might improve
performance significantly.
Best,
Felix
Am Do., 23. Aug. 2018 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
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Hmm, I've seen this with other office bits as well, like Access runtime for
example.
Maybe its still hooked into the code of these older applications making
windows unable to close them due to this.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping another process open


Hi!
Has anyone else noticed that when NVDA is running, it seems to keep
some other processes permanently open? For example, there is a
development environment, let's call it x, which I use for creating a
software component. Strangely, when I open x and then close it again,
it stays running as a process in task manager, but as soon as I close
NVDA it also closes. I've tried with two other screen readers and they
don't affect it in this way, that is, with those running, the process
stops immediately when I close its window. So NVDA seems to do
something to certain other processes which keeps them from
terminating.
I noticed the same with Outlook 2007, by the way, which I am still
using on one machine. That also won't close as long as NVDA is
running, but as soon as I exit NVDA, Outlook closes along with it.
Other screen readers don't affect Outlook in this way.
Best,
Felix





Re: Windows 10 and email

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Personally though i do not use it myself for either 7 or 10, due to the tree structure making my life too complex, I'd always go with tbird as it has sensible rules and can also do newsgroups as well, which despite rumours about its demise it is still there.
The email app in Windows looks to me like some kind of afterthought. It just does emails needs to be watched as Microsoft tend to break accessibility every time they bring out an update and it has no rules or anything useful about it in my view.
Outlook works, but recently there have been issues with the latest versions in office.

Brian

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From: "Kwork" <istherelife@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and email


I imagine I'll get more than one opinion here, but what do people use in
Windows 10 for email? Other questions would include, accessible out of the
box, and if not, what needs to happen, additional tweaks, apps, etc. Thanks
for any help!



Re: I am having to refresh the buffer a lot more than usual

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Google have changed their interface in the last week or so. I find Waterfox works but firefox sometimes misses the updated page data with nvda unless it is refreshed. Whether this is a quirk of the browser or nvda I really do not know.
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From: "Governor staten" <govsta@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 7:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] I am having to refresh the buffer a lot more than usual


Hello listers. I am using Firefox 61.0.2, along with the most recent NVDA
alpha release. I'll do my best to describe what is going on, as I see it.



I'll go to www.google.com <http://www.google.com> , and do a search. I
expect that any results will show up after pressing enter when typing of my
query is complete. Sometimes, this will happen. Other times, I see no
headings. However, when I press nvda+f5, everything shows as expected. I'll
work to isolate this more specifically. Has anyone else had any issues such
as this?




Re: strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

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I am wondering if there is a way to close jaws using a command line switch. I have a batch file that closes nvda and opens jaws, but without the command I cannot go the other way.
However I'm not happy about people having this issue with nvda If several people have this and it can be duplicated, then please raise an issue for it, as otherwise if its quite rare it won't get looked into.


I suppose something in windows itself has not been set up strangely? Not a regular user of 10, but I cannot say I've ever come across behaviour you describe unless using a portable version of nvda and even then not as severe.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803


I assume you are talking about JAWS. You should be able to restart JAWS if you don't have it displayed in the system tray and have it displayed as a window in the tab order. You can move into that window and close JAWS with alt f4.

There may be a way to close JAWS while running it from the system tray but I don't know it. Others may.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Annette Moore
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803


Hi, Tony. It's a pain in the rear, but try restarting NVDA when you
encounter treeview lists that won't read. it happens with me in
Explorer. when I restart NVDA, it usually corrects the issue--at least
for a while anyway. Maximizing the window will also tell you on what
item your cursor is placed, but again, it's a pain to arrow through and
keep hitting alt+space, then x and reading the current line.
Alternatively, close all of your Explorer windows and reopen them. Or go
do something else for about five minutes and then return to your PC. If
you get too frustrated, try another screen reader. These are the things
I've done to deal with this problem. I keep hoping with each Windows
update or NVDA update that the issue will be corrected, but so far it
hasn't been. It isn't a deal breaker. there's something in another
screen reader that drives me even more bonkers, and that's how the
insert key randomly stops working. At least it doesn't do that in NVDA.
I can live with the treeview lists not reading because I can always
restart NVDA, but when the insert key quits working, I can't restart the
other screen reader because that's one of the keys used to restart it.
Anyway, I hope this is somewhat helpful for you. Take care.

Annette


On 8/22/2018 6:55 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy Folks,


Not sure where to pinpoint this issue, but here's the deal.


When I try to read the list of files in my folders, NVDA simply will say
tree view and not tell me any of the folder contents. It also doesn't
speak when I arrow through the list.


Another thing that also happens is that windows will say task switching
when I try to press alt-tab to move around the screen. To get things to
properly function, I have to press the space bar to get it to tell me
what window I'm on. Another thing that happens is that I have to use the
f10 function key to navigate to the menus, because the alt key doesn't
work. Does anyone have any ideas about this strange behavior. I've
got the latest version of NVDA and windows 1803. Thanks in advance.


Tony




Re: ccleaner update 5.45 is bugged

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Yes, I still have an installed version but its been maimed in its snooping and I have no intention of downloading an installer since they started the underhand task install to download avast in the background and present it at a later time. Avast is now as far as I am concerned a virus itself. I'm pretty sure that it is what has ruined my dropbox access on two machines. IE the prefs share and browse log in panels are blank and no idea why. The rest of windows is fine.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner update 5.45 is bugged


You can override with 5.44 you don't need to remove it.

Just download and unzip the portable or run the slim installer from the ccleaner builds.

Today I found that I can set the uac skip in advanced settings of ccleaner.

The only difference between the portable and the installed coppies apart from registry settings, and the start menu icons as well as desktop icon isn't much.

In fact bar the avast, the trials and the other malware piriform have now, thats all it is.

You don't actually need to install ccleaner if you know what you are doing.

And with a properly configured ccleaner with my ini file you just won't need to even bother with installer anything now.



On 8/23/2018 9:12 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I have cleaner 5.45. Should I remove it and get 5.44 or just install the .ini file in its folder?

Thanks.

Roger










On 8/22/2018 1:32 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

read this to find out more

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/52406-version-5456611-issue/

I keep getting messages saying 5.45 is not the latest version, today I found out that 5.44 was now the latest version.

Aparently the monitering not being respected, the privacy button being gone and a whole lot of other things were actually bugs.

So for now piriform/avast have withdrawn ccleaner 5.45.

As part of this downdate here is my revised ccleaner ini file with the privacy preffs set.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1








Re: ccleaner update 5.45 is bugged

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Yes they do seem to have a very common tendency to shoot themselves in the foot since the take over.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner update 5.45 is bugged


Hi.

read this to find out more

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/52406-version-5456611-issue/

I keep getting messages saying 5.45 is not the latest version, today I found out that 5.44 was now the latest version.

Aparently the monitering not being respected, the privacy button being gone and a whole lot of other things were actually bugs.

So for now piriform/avast have withdrawn ccleaner 5.45.

As part of this downdate here is my revised ccleaner ini file with the privacy preffs set.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1




Re: NVDA keeping another process open

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm, I've seen this with other office bits as well, like Access runtime for example.
Maybe its still hooked into the code of these older applications making windows unable to close them due to this.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping another process open


Hi!
Has anyone else noticed that when NVDA is running, it seems to keep
some other processes permanently open? For example, there is a
development environment, let's call it x, which I use for creating a
software component. Strangely, when I open x and then close it again,
it stays running as a process in task manager, but as soon as I close
NVDA it also closes. I've tried with two other screen readers and they
don't affect it in this way, that is, with those running, the process
stops immediately when I close its window. So NVDA seems to do
something to certain other processes which keeps them from
terminating.
I noticed the same with Outlook 2007, by the way, which I am still
using on one machine. That also won't close as long as NVDA is
running, but as soon as I exit NVDA, Outlook closes along with it.
Other screen readers don't affect Outlook in this way.
Best,
Felix


Re: NVDA and TortoiseSVN

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Thanks Rui, It's a disappointing answer!

۱۳۹۷-۰۵-۳۱ ۱۹:۴۹ ‎+۰۴:۳۰ گرینویچ, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>:

Hello!

The second problem was already solved, but the fix was lost when
changing to Alpha versions...

It is a already reported problem, but it seems that no one is worried
with it...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team


Às 08:53 de 22/08/2018, Mohammadreza Rashad escreveu:
Hello my friends, I'm using Windows 10 x64 build 1803 and TortoiseSVN
1.10.1 x64 (latest version).
First: When I want to commit something and go to the log editor to
write what I want to do, while navigating to the first character in
edit field, either by home key when I’m on first line or by leftArrow
key, NVDA freezes for 10 seconds. When freeze ends, It says “blank”
instead of first letter. When I want to delete that first letter with
the Backspace key, NVDA freezes forever. Then I have to press
ctrl+alt+n to run it again.
I saw the abovementioned problem with 3 versions of NVDA: 2018.2.1,
2018.3beta3, and latest alpha (15920). I’ll paste the NVDA log file
for technicians to investigate.
Second: I still have problem when I want to check my commit or update
result lists with review cursor. This cursor does not scroll the list
to show the rest. In a list with e.g. 35 items, I can only see the
last 10 items using review cursor.
Thanks in advance
--- NVDA log set to debug warnings ---
INFO - __main__ (11:52:27.204):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (11:52:27.405):
Config dir: C:\Users\Mohammadreza\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (11:52:27.407):
Loading config: C:\Users\Mohammadreza\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (11:52:27.515):
NVDA version 2018.2.1
INFO - core.main (11:52:27.516):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (11:52:27.516):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (11:52:27.516):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (11:52:27.609):
No touch devices found
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (11:52:27.825):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (11:52:27.884):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (11:52:27.884):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (11:52:27.885):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (11:52:27.888):
Using liblouis version 3.5.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (11:52:27.888):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (11:52:28.016):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (11:52:28.572):
No touch devices found
DEBUGWARNING - braille.getDisplayList (11:52:30.342):
Braille display driver brailliantB reports as unavailable, excluding
DEBUGWARNING - braille.getDisplayList (11:52:30.348):
Braille display driver freedomScientific reports as unavailable,
excluding
DEBUGWARNING - braille.getDisplayList (11:52:30.361):
Braille display driver brailliantB reports as unavailable, excluding
DEBUGWARNING - braille.getDisplayList (11:52:30.361):
Braille display driver freedomScientific reports as unavailable,
excluding
INFO - external:globalPlugins.brailleExtender.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(11:52:30.375):
BrailleExtender dev-18.08.14-113938 loaded
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (11:52:30.387):
No touch devices found
WARNING - globalPlugins.MathMlReader (11:52:30.417):
MathPlayer 4 not available
INFO - core.main (11:52:30.431):
NVDA initialized
INFO -
external:globalPlugins.sharedComputer.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel
(11:52:30.532):
Level speakers at Startup: 24 Percent
INFO -
external:globalPlugins.sharedComputer.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel
(11:52:30.532):
speakers at Startup: Unmuted
INFO -
external:globalPlugins.sharedComputer.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel
(11:52:30.532):
speakers after correction: 24 Percent, Unmuted
INFO -
external:globalPlugins.sharedComputer.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel
(11:52:30.532):
Level speakers at Startup: 24 Percent
INFO -
external:globalPlugins.sharedComputer.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel
(11:52:30.532):
speakers at Startup: Unmuted
INFO -
external:globalPlugins.sharedComputer.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel
(11:52:30.532):
speakers after correction: 24 Percent, Unmuted
* DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:52:52.470):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 473, in main
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyo", line 444, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 50, in flushQueue
File "scriptHandler.pyo", line 145, in _queueScriptCallback
File "scriptHandler.pyo", line 187, in executeScript
File "editableText.pyo", line 189, in script_caret_moveByCharacter
File "editableText.pyo", line 144, in _caretMovementScriptHelper
File "editableText.pyo", line 129, in _caretScriptPostMovedHelper
File "textInfos\offsets.pyo", line 348, in expand
File "textInfos\offsets.pyo", line 330, in _getUnitOffsets
File "NVDAObjects\window\scintilla.pyo", line 227, in
_getCharacterOffsets
--- log ended. ---



--
Best wishes,
Mohammadreza Rashad


Re: strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

Gene
 

I haven't used System Access much but you should be able to shut it down from the task manager.  Aside from that, my recollection is that you are correct.  As far as I know, it doesn't display itself either in the system tray or in a window in the tab order.  It probably should have an option to allow the user to choose these options if desired.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

Nope, System Access. I haven't used JAWS in years.

Annette


On 8/22/2018 11:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I assume you are talking about JAWS.  You should be able to restart JAWS if you don't have it displayed in the system tray and have it displayed as a window in the tab order.  You can move into that window and close JAWS with alt f4. 
 
There may be a way to close JAWS while running it from the system tray but I don't know it.  Others may.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

Hi, Tony. It's a pain in the rear, but try restarting NVDA when you
encounter treeview lists that won't read. it happens with me in
Explorer. when I restart NVDA, it usually corrects the issue--at least
for a while anyway. Maximizing the window will also tell you on what
item your cursor is placed, but again, it's a pain to arrow through and
keep hitting alt+space, then x and reading the current line.
Alternatively, close all of your Explorer windows and reopen them. Or go
do something else for about five minutes and then return to your PC. If
you get too frustrated, try another screen reader. These are the things
I've done to deal with this problem. I keep hoping with each Windows
update or NVDA update that the issue will be corrected, but so far it
hasn't been. It isn't a deal breaker. there's something in another
screen reader that drives me even more bonkers, and that's how the
insert key randomly stops working. At least it doesn't do that in NVDA.
I can live with the treeview lists not reading because I can always
restart NVDA, but when the insert key quits working, I can't restart the
other screen reader because that's one of the keys used to restart it.
Anyway, I hope this is somewhat helpful for you. Take care.

Annette


On 8/22/2018 6:55 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
> Howdy Folks,
>
>
> Not sure where to pinpoint this issue, but here's the deal.
>
>
> When I try to read the list of files in my folders, NVDA simply will say
> tree view and not tell me any of the folder contents.  It also doesn't
> speak when I arrow through the list.
>
>
> Another thing that also happens is that windows will say task switching
> when I try to press alt-tab to move around the screen.  To get things to
> properly function, I have to press the space bar to get it to tell me
> what window I'm on. Another thing that happens is that I have to use the
> f10 function key to navigate to the menus, because the alt key doesn't
> work.   Does anyone have any ideas about this strange behavior.  I've
> got the latest version of NVDA and windows 1803.  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>





Windows 10 and email

Kwork
 

I imagine I'll get more than one opinion here, but what do people use in Windows 10 for email? Other questions would include, accessible out of the box, and if not, what needs to happen, additional tweaks, apps, etc. Thanks for any help!


Re: strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

Annette Moore
 

Nope, System Access. I haven't used JAWS in years.

Annette


On 8/22/2018 11:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I assume you are talking about JAWS.  You should be able to restart JAWS if you don't have it displayed in the system tray and have it displayed as a window in the tab order.  You can move into that window and close JAWS with alt f4. 
 
There may be a way to close JAWS while running it from the system tray but I don't know it.  Others may.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

Hi, Tony. It's a pain in the rear, but try restarting NVDA when you
encounter treeview lists that won't read. it happens with me in
Explorer. when I restart NVDA, it usually corrects the issue--at least
for a while anyway. Maximizing the window will also tell you on what
item your cursor is placed, but again, it's a pain to arrow through and
keep hitting alt+space, then x and reading the current line.
Alternatively, close all of your Explorer windows and reopen them. Or go
do something else for about five minutes and then return to your PC. If
you get too frustrated, try another screen reader. These are the things
I've done to deal with this problem. I keep hoping with each Windows
update or NVDA update that the issue will be corrected, but so far it
hasn't been. It isn't a deal breaker. there's something in another
screen reader that drives me even more bonkers, and that's how the
insert key randomly stops working. At least it doesn't do that in NVDA.
I can live with the treeview lists not reading because I can always
restart NVDA, but when the insert key quits working, I can't restart the
other screen reader because that's one of the keys used to restart it.
Anyway, I hope this is somewhat helpful for you. Take care.

Annette


On 8/22/2018 6:55 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
> Howdy Folks,
>
>
> Not sure where to pinpoint this issue, but here's the deal.
>
>
> When I try to read the list of files in my folders, NVDA simply will say
> tree view and not tell me any of the folder contents.  It also doesn't
> speak when I arrow through the list.
>
>
> Another thing that also happens is that windows will say task switching
> when I try to press alt-tab to move around the screen.  To get things to
> properly function, I have to press the space bar to get it to tell me
> what window I'm on. Another thing that happens is that I have to use the
> f10 function key to navigate to the menus, because the alt key doesn't
> work.   Does anyone have any ideas about this strange behavior.  I've
> got the latest version of NVDA and windows 1803.  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>





Re: strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

Annette Moore
 

*nods* Yep, exactly, Tony! that's precisely how it works with me. After about five minutes, all is well again for a time. It's horrible with Dropbox, especially when I've copied and pasted something somewhere. Then I do just go ahead and restart NVDA.

Annette

On 8/22/2018 10:08 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi Annette,


Thanks, I know I'm not alone now.  I've done all of the tricks in the
arsenal that you mentioned and I still find myself playing the game, of
where's the file,and why can't ya read it sighs. This is totally weird.
Hope we can find some solution for this madness.  If even does it with
the Microsoft Narrator also. And when it works properly, it only does it
for about 5 minutes.


Tony


On 8/22/2018 8:39 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
Hi, Tony. It's a pain in the rear, but try restarting NVDA when you
encounter treeview lists that won't read. it happens with me in
Explorer. when I restart NVDA, it usually corrects the issue--at least
for a while anyway. Maximizing the window will also tell you on what
item your cursor is placed, but again, it's a pain to arrow through
and keep hitting alt+space, then x and reading the current line.
Alternatively, close all of your Explorer windows and reopen them. Or
go do something else for about five minutes and then return to your
PC. If you get too frustrated, try another screen reader. These are
the things I've done to deal with this problem. I keep hoping with
each Windows update or NVDA update that the issue will be corrected,
but so far it hasn't been. It isn't a deal breaker. there's something
in another screen reader that drives me even more bonkers, and that's
how the insert key randomly stops working. At least it doesn't do that
in NVDA. I can live with the treeview lists not reading because I can
always restart NVDA, but when the insert key quits working, I can't
restart the other screen reader because that's one of the keys used to
restart it. Anyway, I hope this is somewhat helpful for you. Take care.

Annette


On 8/22/2018 6:55 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy Folks,


Not sure where to pinpoint this issue, but here's the deal.


When I try to read the list of files in my folders, NVDA simply will say
tree view and not tell me any of the folder contents.  It also doesn't
speak when I arrow through the list.


Another thing that also happens is that windows will say task switching
when I try to press alt-tab to move around the screen.  To get things to
properly function, I have to press the space bar to get it to tell me
what window I'm on. Another thing that happens is that I have to use the
f10 function key to navigate to the menus, because the alt key doesn't
work.   Does anyone have any ideas about this strange behavior. I've
got the latest version of NVDA and windows 1803.  Thanks in advance.


Tony