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Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

A lot of people never wear seatbelts and nothing happens to them, but for some people one day, ...
 
You are talking about probabilities.  I don't believe in taking meaningless risks, even if small, to save a bit of work executing a few commands.
 
A lot of people don't use safely remove hardware for a long time and nothing happens to them.  But for some people, one day,...
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

All I can state is that I have been doing this all along, with no problems.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers.  See this article. 

 

And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways.  In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7.  XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Lino Morales
 

Well hey like I said on another list. This is the new MS. Under Satia Nedella I think they are doing an awesome job. I can’t stress enough here and the other lists I’m on to use that good ole Feedback Hub. Yes kids MS does read your feedback.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Antony Stone <antony.stone@...>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:40:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat
 
Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
companies", but depending on which other companies you compare them with, that
may not be saying much.

Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop) computing
market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done in terms
of accessibility.

I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but once they
decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and Microsoft have
simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment (rather like
they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people had found
out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick, they'd be left
behind in the networked world).


Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:

> I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member.  I really object
> to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to
> it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many
> other companies.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> > I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
> > to be a good thing and  talk about html was in happening  even since
> > about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
> > have to thank microslop for  it. They  made skype what it is today, a
> > ver good tool for my jobs and more.

--
There's a good theatrical performance about puns on in the West End.  It's a
play on words.

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Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Sarah k Alawami
 

Although they are getting better, they still have a long way to go Apple are much much better at accessibility especially with their own softwares then mocrosoft, at least for now. Mocrosoft have a lot of catching up, and they know it.

I still say to the original poster, use skype, it is getting better, and it has a long way to go, but get used to it, or switch to zoom, which I would not use just for chatting purposes. It’s way too over powered for that.

On 23 Jul 2018, at 13:29, Gene wrote:

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member.  I really object to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many other companies. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
> to be a good thing and  talk about html was in happening  even since
> about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
> have to thank microslop for  it. They  made skype what it is today, a
> ver  good tool for my jobs and more.
>
> Blessings and happy Monday
> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website:
> http://www.tffppodcast.com
> For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go to
> http://www.tffppodcast.com/premium
> and for hosting options go to http://www.tffppodcast.com/hosting
> to subscribe to the feed click here:
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp
> And for the listen page go here:
> http://www.tffppodcast.com/listen
>
> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here:
> http://www.tffppodcast.com/pod-pledge
> For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility,
> phones and development can be discussed  subscribe send a blank email to
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> and follow the prompts.
> to visit the subgroups  and subscribe (note you must be subscribed to
> the main group as well) visit the following URL:
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>
> To subscribe to the skype english list go to
> skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and send a blank email to the subscribe
> address listed there.
>
> On 23 Jul 2018, at 2:50, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>
>> Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team
>> as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back
>> on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing
>> patience with it I suspect.
>
>
>
>




Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Antony Stone
 

Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
companies", but depending on which other companies you compare them with, that
may not be saying much.

Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop) computing
market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done in terms
of accessibility.

I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but once they
decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and Microsoft have
simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment (rather like
they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people had found
out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick, they'd be left
behind in the networked world).


Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member. I really object
to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to
it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many
other companies.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
to be a good thing and talk about html was in happening even since
about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
have to thank microslop for it. They made skype what it is today, a
ver good tool for my jobs and more.
--
There's a good theatrical performance about puns on in the West End. It's a
play on words.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I’ve not tried the speach player. Is that on the official add ons website if so I will give this A try and see how I myself like it. I love the 1core voices, but its’ good to try somethingn different in case the 1core decide to crash or something.

On 23 Jul 2018, at 13:36, James Bentley wrote:

What a coincidence that your email came through right now!  I was going to download that right after checking a few emails.
 
I will post my opinion in a day or 2.
 
James B
 
 
 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
 
I still think you might like the speech player in Espeak add on.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA


I haven’t heard from Richard yet but my impression was that he wanted to
discuss East Texas and other things related to where we live.

After reading your last post, I am pretty certain that I will just use
Eloquence from Code Factory when I come up with the cash.  And, just use the
original NVDA voice on a thumb drive when I want to have speech on a
computer outside of my home.

Gene, thank you for your input.  I sure wouldn’t have been impressed if I
paid around $40,for lousy speech.  Especially since I am so impressed with
NVDA itself.

As I learn more, I will probably be interested in what some of the NVDA add
ons do but I have my plate full right now since I am also learning how to
use Chrome.

Cheers,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

There is something else to consider.  First, I may have misunderstood the
request to take the sub ject off list.  It might have referred to where
people live.  I often see people take topics of general interest off lists
and I first thought the request referred to the Eloquence discussion.

As far as the SAPI 5 versus the add on is concerned, I don't think you can
use the SAPI 5 verxsion unless it is installed on the computer you want to
use it with.  I suspect, though you would have to check, that you can use
the add with a portable version and that it would run with the rest of NVDA
from a thumb drive.  Perhaps, considering the problem of artifacts, you
might want to have both versions, depending on where you are going to use
the artifact.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest.
This is such a topic.  There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence
and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices.
The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it,
has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason.  All
sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur.  the other synthesizer included
is fine, but not the Eloquence.

I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to
use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Write me privately at richwels@... and I'll talk more about this.




On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:

  Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best.

  I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy.

  James B


  From: Richard Wells
  Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

  James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to
the Code Factory product.




  On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote:

    Hi all,

    I have questions about diffferent  voices for NVDA.

    If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for
each PC that I am using?

    Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as
good?

    Thanks,

    James B













Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA

Lino Morales
 

All I have to say is Eloquence sucks along with ESPeak. If you are running WIN 8.x or 10 the on board MS One Core or SAPI 5 ones are great.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:36:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
 
What a coincidence that your email came through right now!  I was going to download that right after checking a few emails.
 
I will post my opinion in a day or 2.
 
James B
 
 
 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
 
I still think you might like the speech player in Espeak add on.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA


I haven’t heard from Richard yet but my impression was that he wanted to
discuss East Texas and other things related to where we live.

After reading your last post, I am pretty certain that I will just use
Eloquence from Code Factory when I come up with the cash.  And, just use the
original NVDA voice on a thumb drive when I want to have speech on a
computer outside of my home.

Gene, thank you for your input.  I sure wouldn’t have been impressed if I
paid around $40,for lousy speech.  Especially since I am so impressed with
NVDA itself.

As I learn more, I will probably be interested in what some of the NVDA add
ons do but I have my plate full right now since I am also learning how to
use Chrome.

Cheers,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

There is something else to consider.  First, I may have misunderstood the
request to take the sub ject off list.  It might have referred to where
people live.  I often see people take topics of general interest off lists
and I first thought the request referred to the Eloquence discussion.

As far as the SAPI 5 versus the add on is concerned, I don't think you can
use the SAPI 5 verxsion unless it is installed on the computer you want to
use it with.  I suspect, though you would have to check, that you can use
the add with a portable version and that it would run with the rest of NVDA
from a thumb drive.  Perhaps, considering the problem of artifacts, you
might want to have both versions, depending on where you are going to use
the artifact.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest.
This is such a topic.  There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence
and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices.
The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it,
has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason.  All
sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur.  the other synthesizer included
is fine, but not the Eloquence.

I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to
use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Write me privately at richwels@... and I'll talk more about this.




On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:

  Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best.

  I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy.

  James B


  From: Richard Wells
  Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

  James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to
the Code Factory product.




  On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote:

    Hi all,

    I have questions about diffferent  voices for NVDA.

    If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for
each PC that I am using?

    Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as
good?

    Thanks,

    James B













Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

What a coincidence that your email came through right now!  I was going to download that right after checking a few emails.
 
I will post my opinion in a day or 2.
 
James B
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
 
I still think you might like the speech player in Espeak add on.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA


I haven’t heard from Richard yet but my impression was that he wanted to
discuss East Texas and other things related to where we live.

After reading your last post, I am pretty certain that I will just use
Eloquence from Code Factory when I come up with the cash.  And, just use the
original NVDA voice on a thumb drive when I want to have speech on a
computer outside of my home.

Gene, thank you for your input.  I sure wouldn’t have been impressed if I
paid around $40,for lousy speech.  Especially since I am so impressed with
NVDA itself.

As I learn more, I will probably be interested in what some of the NVDA add
ons do but I have my plate full right now since I am also learning how to
use Chrome.

Cheers,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

There is something else to consider.  First, I may have misunderstood the
request to take the sub ject off list.  It might have referred to where
people live.  I often see people take topics of general interest off lists
and I first thought the request referred to the Eloquence discussion.

As far as the SAPI 5 versus the add on is concerned, I don't think you can
use the SAPI 5 verxsion unless it is installed on the computer you want to
use it with.  I suspect, though you would have to check, that you can use
the add with a portable version and that it would run with the rest of NVDA
from a thumb drive.  Perhaps, considering the problem of artifacts, you
might want to have both versions, depending on where you are going to use
the artifact.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest.
This is such a topic.  There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence
and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices.
The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it,
has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason.  All
sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur.  the other synthesizer included
is fine, but not the Eloquence.

I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to
use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Write me privately at richwels@... and I'll talk more about this.




On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:

  Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best.

  I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy.

  James B


  From: Richard Wells
  Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

  James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to
the Code Factory product.




  On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote:

    Hi all,

    I have questions about diffferent  voices for NVDA.

    If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for
each PC that I am using?

    Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as
good?

    Thanks,

    James B













Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Gene
 

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member.  I really object to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many other companies. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
> to be a good thing and  talk about html was in happening  even since
> about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
> have to thank microslop for  it. They  made skype what it is today, a
> ver  good tool for my jobs and more.
>
> Blessings and happy Monday
> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website:
> http://www.tffppodcast.com
> For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go to
> http://www.tffppodcast.com/premium
> and for hosting options go to http://www.tffppodcast.com/hosting
> to subscribe to the feed click here:
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp
> And for the listen page go here:
> http://www.tffppodcast.com/listen
>
> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here:
> http://www.tffppodcast.com/pod-pledge
> For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility,
> phones and development can be discussed  subscribe send a blank email to
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> and follow the prompts.
> to visit the subgroups  and subscribe (note you must be subscribed to
> the main group as well) visit the following URL:
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>
> To subscribe to the skype english list go to
> skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and send a blank email to the subscribe
> address listed there.
>
> On 23 Jul 2018, at 2:50, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>
>> Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team
>> as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back
>> on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing
>> patience with it I suspect.
>
>
>
>




Re: Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi Joseph,
 
Thanks for summing this up.  So, I was concerned about mostly nothing.
 
I do think that I will stick with doing a forced removal of my USB flash drive through safely remove hardware and media.  But, its good to know that it isn’t necessary to power down my computer.  And, as I stated to another lister, its good to know that I will not be damaging files on any public computer.
 
I am, for the most part, new to portable applications on USB flash drives but I am learning.
 
Joseph, I see you absolutely every where.  Thanks for  all that you do.
 
James B
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 

Hi,

Actually, to sum this all up:

  1. Why the message appears: if NVDA is run from a USB flash drive (that’s the usual term, by the way), it’ll use files stored on that drive for certain operations, including loading DLL’s, reading settings, operations performed by add-ons (if any) and what not, thus Windows will display the message stated earlier (problem ejecting drive).
  2. No need for a complete shutdown: you don’t have to completely turn off your computer in order to eject a USB flash drive. You can quit NVDA, wait about ten seconds, (after you hear the shutdown chime), and remove the flash drive.
  3. Files on the flash drive won’t affect user profile: if running from a flash drive, NVDA will work with files stored in there – not your documents unless you have an add-on or two that doesn’t care if it is running on a portable copy and access your files anyway (I have yet to come across an add-on doing that in my reviews).

 

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

Gene,

It is a default Windows action, I only use Microsoft’s anti-virus and malware (mrt) tools.

I tried a malware one lately, Malware Bytes, but I removed it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You may get that message on your machine, for some reason.  I have never gotten such a message on four machines.  maybe an antimalware program is offering to scan it but it is not a default action in Windows unless Windows 8 and 10 have such a default action.  I haven't used either version.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it.

Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label.

That is one I escape out of all the time.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I don't know what messages you are talking about.  if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing.  If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed.  If it can't, you get a message that it can't.  I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages.  I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive.  In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows.  it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be.  I explained in previous messages what I would do.  I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly.  But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement. 

 

You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't?  These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do.  They are placed there for a reason. 

 

You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware.  I won't go into that here.  But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance. 

 

How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

James,
I don't see the possibility of corrupting any files.
I ignore those canned messages from Microsoft about scanning and removing.
But if you scan it once, it should not ask you again for that particular drive for some time.
But I never power down drives and have never had a problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here.  If files do get corrupted, will it be just  on my thumb drive?  I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected  badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very  much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing  up and down through a web page?

Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.

James B







 






Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

You may get that message on your machine, for some reason.  I have never gotten such a message on four machines.  maybe an antimalware program is offering to scan it but it is not a default action in Windows unless Windows 8 and 10 have such a default action.  I haven't used either version.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it.

Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label.

That is one I escape out of all the time.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I don't know what messages you are talking about.  if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing.  If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed.  If it can't, you get a message that it can't.  I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages.  I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive.  In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows.  it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be.  I explained in previous messages what I would do.  I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly.  But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement. 

 

You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't?  These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do.  They are placed there for a reason. 

 

You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware.  I won't go into that here.  But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance. 

 

How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

James,
I don't see the possibility of corrupting any files.
I ignore those canned messages from Microsoft about scanning and removing.
But if you scan it once, it should not ask you again for that particular drive for some time.
But I never power down drives and have never had a problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here.  If files do get corrupted, will it be just  on my thumb drive?  I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected  badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very  much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing  up and down through a web page?

Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.

James B







 







Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

All I can state is that I have been doing this all along, with no problems.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers.  See this article. 

 

And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways.  In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7.  XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Tyler Wood
 

I have yet to have many of the problems that plagued me in windows 7 through windows 8.1.


The frustration at having windows not start was beyond infuriating. Windows 10 has fixed that for me, among tons of others.


Skype 8 really isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. It's a change that has been sorely needed in 2018 and it's no different than the panic from upgrading from windows xp to 7, and now to 10. 8 and 8.1 were a cobbled together mess that reminds me in great detail of Windows Millennium. People are just afraid of change. Tons of sighted people ran away from skype when it retained its classic look and moved over to discord and the like. Now skype is trying to follow this trend a few years late.


Think skype is bad? Try using facebook, where changes seemingly come daily and absolutely 0 of them for the better of accessibility, especially on Mobile.


Skype, for me, is still the clear winner of cross platform, simple, least internet used voice communication and until other companies step up to the plate for these things I'm sticking with it. And by step up to the plate, I mean mainstream that sighted and blind alike use.

On 23-Jul-2018 2:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
For me "trust" does mean "taking someone at their word", and if I feel I can't
take them at their word, then I don't trust them.

I don't really see any other definition of "trust".

Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 20:40:17, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I havn't lost trust in ms as such, its just I won't take them at their
word anymore.

I expect for example when I start up windows on my systems that windows
may choose to not start because it chooses to mangle my profile or just
not start meaning I will have to reformat to make everything better.

I have come to terms that when I run anything it may or may not work but
usually does.

I have come to terms with changes on the fly which may or may not be
something I like and in that reguard try to bypass them if I can or use
whatever it is if I need.

To say I enjoy some of it is I don't know.

I used to enjoy windows, now its just another program I have to watch to
see if it works, once its working I get on to my tasks then I am done.


Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers.  See this article. 
 
And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways.  In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7.  XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Antony Stone
 

For me "trust" does mean "taking someone at their word", and if I feel I can't
take them at their word, then I don't trust them.

I don't really see any other definition of "trust".

Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 20:40:17, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I havn't lost trust in ms as such, its just I won't take them at their
word anymore.

I expect for example when I start up windows on my systems that windows
may choose to not start because it chooses to mangle my profile or just
not start meaning I will have to reformat to make everything better.

I have come to terms that when I run anything it may or may not work but
usually does.

I have come to terms with changes on the fly which may or may not be
something I like and in that reguard try to bypass them if I can or use
whatever it is if I need.

To say I enjoy some of it is I don't know.

I used to enjoy windows, now its just another program I have to watch to
see if it works, once its working I get on to my tasks then I am done.
--
The Magic Words are Squeamish Ossifrage.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA

Cristóbal
 

This is where a third party client comes in handy. Who knows how it’ll all shake out after Twitter’s new rules take place next month, but for now, and for Twitter at least, the cleanest option is a third party client.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA

 

I find navigating social media websites very tiring. Is there an efficient way to access websites like facebok and twitter?
at present there is no way i could just give a casual navigation to these websites. it is because of their highly interactive content, navigating them is very tiring. you are forced to hear all sorts of unnecessary information. for example, you don't wish to hear the day and the time and other minor options in twitter while navigating  from tweet to tweet in twitter.


Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA

Akshaya Choudhary
 

I find navigating social media websites very tiring. Is there an efficient way to access websites like facebok and twitter?
at present there is no way i could just give a casual navigation to these websites. it is because of their highly interactive content, navigating them is very tiring. you are forced to hear all sorts of unnecessary information. for example, you don't wish to hear the day and the time and other minor options in twitter while navigating  from tweet to tweet in twitter.


Re: Introduction, and a question

Tyler Wood
 

I have gotten the message to scan drives even if I safely remove hardware. Windows 8.1 and 10 have always been very picky about that and a scan rarely takes more than a minute or two these days.

If it's a drive I have valuable data on, like key pass databases etc, I will safely remove it. On the other hand I haven't had any problems not clicking this button - common sense is your best friend here - and if files aren't being written or read to or from the drive, you're generally fine. Of course, in this day and age where every single thing requires the internet, something is almost always using the drive for something - windows defender and other antiviruses most prevalently.



On 23-Jul-2018 1:17 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it.

Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label.

That is one I escape out of all the time.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I don't know what messages you are talking about.  if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing.  If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed.  If it can't, you get a message that it can't.  I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages.  I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive.  In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows.  it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be.  I explained in previous messages what I would do.  I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly.  But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement. 

 

You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't?  These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do.  They are placed there for a reason. 

 

You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware.  I won't go into that here.  But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance. 

 

How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

James,
I don't see the possibility of corrupting any files.
I ignore those canned messages from Microsoft about scanning and removing.
But if you scan it once, it should not ask you again for that particular drive for some time.
But I never power down drives and have never had a problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here.  If files do get corrupted, will it be just  on my thumb drive?  I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected  badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very  much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing  up and down through a web page?

Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.

James B







 








Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

I usually don't want to wait for it to scan a drive.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hmmm you shouldn't have this issue its not all the time.




On 7/24/2018 6:17 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it.
Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label.
That is one I escape out of all the time.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

I don't know what messages you are talking about. if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing. If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed. If it can't, you get a message that it can't. I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages. I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive. In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows. it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be. I explained in previous messages what I would do. I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly. But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement.

You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't? These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do. They are placed there for a reason.

You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware. I won't go into that here. But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance.

How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

James,
I don't see the possibility of corrupting any files.
I ignore those canned messages from Microsoft about scanning and removing.
But if you scan it once, it should not ask you again for that particular drive for some time.
But I never power down drives and have never had a problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of James
Bentley
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here. If files do get corrupted, will it be just on my thumb drive? I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very much good.
Brian

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From: "James Bentley"
<bentleyj1952@att.net<mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem
is also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do
a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in
use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is
this normal? Orr, is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and
surprisingly powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I
predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
while I am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B


















Re: Introduction, and a question

 

Hmmm you shouldn't have this issue its not all the time.

On 7/24/2018 6:17 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it.
Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label.
That is one I escape out of all the time.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

I don't know what messages you are talking about. if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing. If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed. If it can't, you get a message that it can't. I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages. I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive. In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows. it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be. I explained in previous messages what I would do. I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly. But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement.

You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't? These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do. They are placed there for a reason.

You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware. I won't go into that here. But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance.

How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

James,
I don't see the possibility of corrupting any files.
I ignore those canned messages from Microsoft about scanning and removing.
But if you scan it once, it should not ask you again for that particular drive for some time.
But I never power down drives and have never had a problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here. If files do get corrupted, will it be just on my thumb drive? I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very much good.
Brian

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From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net<mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B