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streaming (forwarding) audio including system sounds etc from one computer to another via internet

J.G
 

Hello,

next week I will start to work from home for a while. Because I'm working with sounds, I need to know, how to push all sounds from my work computer at the work place to computer which is at home. I tried via rdp, where I found conflict between NVDA and other software in use and VLC which I couldn't setup.

any advice or suggestion will be very appreciated what should I do to bring all sounds from work computer to computer at home.

Thanks.

regards, Jožef


Windows Mail

Ervin, Glenn
 

Hi,

I’m working on a friend’s computer with Windows 10.

The Office 2000 mail won’t work, and it won’t allow windows live mail to be installed.

I set up Microsoft’s Mail app that came with windows 10, and it looks like it will work well for him, but he is accustomed to finding his mail program on the desktop, but I can’t find a way to make a shortcut on the desktop.

If I knew for sure where the mail program resides, I can go there and make a shortcut, and copy it to the desktop, but when I find it in the task bar, there is no context menu option for send to, or copy, or create shortcut.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Glenn

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Ervin, Glenn
 

Good idea.

It doesn’t happen often, and I have just been fixing it, but I like that suggestion.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Try being on the word, open the context menu, and see if suggestions are there.  Whenever there is no way you can see to do something, try the context menu. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:43 PM

Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

When I’m doing web mail at home, on occasion,  I have noticed it telling me that some words are misspelled, but I don’t know how to get to any suggestions, I have to keep fixing it until it no longer tells me that it is misspelled.

I don’t know if that is coming from Chrome, or my ISP’s web interface.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

I do agree that it's good to check your spelling before sending a message but I don't expect it to be done. You can do a spell check in thunderbird and windows live mail. I'm not sure about web mail though.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Although I don’t expect it to happen by everyone on a list, I must add that I wish more folks would use a spellchecker on their eMail program.

If one has Office installed, then your eMail program will definitely be able to check your eMail messages when you send them.

If you don’t have Office installed, I think some eMail programs have a spellchecking function included, I haven’t come across them though.

I can excuse smart phones and tablets, as their spellchecking functions may be harder to use.

Although not required, on lists, it is just good practice in my opinion.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.

 

That's all I'll say.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

 

I don't see how it would either.

Except dolphin maybe, their brouser access is well  not there only old versions of internet explorer work with their stuff.

They say they are working on chrome but catch up they are doing, firefox, chrome, waterfox, most of those we allready have everywhere else.

On 7/24/2018 8:54 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Good point Tyler. And this goes back to the VFO brewhaha we had on here last week. I don’t see how Narrator would disrupt open source screen readers like NVDA as his Erickness stated in that podcast. As I always say viva la NVDA!



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:49:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

A few years ago I might have agreed with you on microsoft playing catch up.


These days, as you say, Microsoft is everywhere. Seeing AI is simply a
revolutionary tool on the smartphone and is not made by apple.
Similarly, narrator is quickly becoming a replacement for your every day
screen reader. Keep in mind that the NFB went at apple pretty hard back
in the day, too, so it isn't as though their bringing more accessibility
into the market was voluntary. Microsoft has pretty decent accessibility
on the Xbox, as well, a far cry from Sony who, even though they released
so called accessibility first, are still missing crutial tts in areas
like the system settings 4 years later. Playing catch up, indeed.

I'm curious where you think microsoft is lacking in accessibility these
days? Considering we have quite a few folks with disabilities working
for microsoft as well as apple, I think they're on a pretty level
playing field.


On 23-Jul-2018 3:40 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
companies", but depending on which other companies you compare them with, that
may not be saying much.

Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop) computing
market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done in terms
of accessibility.

I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but once they
decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and Microsoft have
simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment (rather like
they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people had found
out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick, they'd be left
behind in the networked world).


Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member. I really object
to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to
it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many
other companies.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
to be a good thing and talk about html was in happening even since
about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
have to thank microslop for it. They made skype what it is today, a
ver good tool for my jobs and more.





Re: Accessible voice and text chat

 

True, apple are a lot better now, microsoft did design some of the apis we do use.

They made way with the help of everyone on the dcm and mirror driver thing and lately they have been ok.

Ofcause the main issue is that sometimes the teams don't seem to communicate as much as you would think but who knows.

On 7/24/2018 8:40 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
companies", but depending on which other companies you compare them with, that
may not be saying much.

Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop) computing
market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done in terms
of accessibility.

I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but once they
decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and Microsoft have
simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment (rather like
they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people had found
out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick, they'd be left
behind in the networked world).


Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member. I really object
to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to
it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many
other companies.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
to be a good thing and talk about html was in happening even since
about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
have to thank microslop for it. They made skype what it is today, a
ver good tool for my jobs and more.


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Gene
 

Try being on the word, open the context menu, and see if suggestions are there.  Whenever there is no way you can see to do something, try the context menu. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

When I’m doing web mail at home, on occasion,  I have noticed it telling me that some words are misspelled, but I don’t know how to get to any suggestions, I have to keep fixing it until it no longer tells me that it is misspelled.

I don’t know if that is coming from Chrome, or my ISP’s web interface.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

I do agree that it's good to check your spelling before sending a message but I don't expect it to be done. You can do a spell check in thunderbird and windows live mail. I'm not sure about web mail though.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Although I don’t expect it to happen by everyone on a list, I must add that I wish more folks would use a spellchecker on their eMail program.

If one has Office installed, then your eMail program will definitely be able to check your eMail messages when you send them.

If you don’t have Office installed, I think some eMail programs have a spellchecking function included, I haven’t come across them though.

I can excuse smart phones and tablets, as their spellchecking functions may be harder to use.

Although not required, on lists, it is just good practice in my opinion.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.

 

That's all I'll say.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

On windows 10 version 18.3 it has edge on the desk top.

Brian Sackrider

On 7/13/2018 4:57 PM, Don H wrote:
I too am trying to use Edge more often.  One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop.  I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop.  I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.



Re: skype 8 for desktop

Ervin, Glenn
 

When I’m doing web mail at home, on occasion,  I have noticed it telling me that some words are misspelled, but I don’t know how to get to any suggestions, I have to keep fixing it until it no longer tells me that it is misspelled.

I don’t know if that is coming from Chrome, or my ISP’s web interface.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

I do agree that it's good to check your spelling before sending a message but I don't expect it to be done. You can do a spell check in thunderbird and windows live mail. I'm not sure about web mail though.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Although I don’t expect it to happen by everyone on a list, I must add that I wish more folks would use a spellchecker on their eMail program.

If one has Office installed, then your eMail program will definitely be able to check your eMail messages when you send them.

If you don’t have Office installed, I think some eMail programs have a spellchecking function included, I haven’t come across them though.

I can excuse smart phones and tablets, as their spellchecking functions may be harder to use.

Although not required, on lists, it is just good practice in my opinion.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.

 

That's all I'll say.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

When I am doing something important, that would be serious if lost, I keep it in multiple locations, and as I am writing, so I don’t lose the work I’m doing now, I do control + S from time to time, maybe after every other paragraph.

I would rarely work on a document from a thumb drive or removable media.

I would copy the important document to the computer, write and save, and copy it back to the removable media.

That is why I stated that I know when something important is being written to a removable drive.

I see people here at work wo access our agency drives in another town and browse there in Word or Excel and save their work on that main drive, rather than copying the file to their computer first.

I think I know when it is safe to pull out a drive, I think Microsoft has these utilities doing such things for people who don’t know the difference between file explorer and using the Office browse feature in a word processor.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I'm illustrating probability.  And how serious the consequences are cannot be assumed to be more minor in the case of a thumb drive.  If you have most of your unfinished masters thesis on a thumb drive, don't have it backed up and lose it because you don't use safely remove hardware, the results can be devastating. 

 

My point is probability.  A lot of people who don't wear seat belts never have a serious accident.  A lot of people who don't use safely remove hardware never lose data.  But a prudent person wears seat belts and uses safely remove hardware. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I wouldn’t compare seatbelts to pulling a thumb drive.

LOL

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

A lot of people never wear seatbelts and nothing happens to them, but for some people one day, ...

 

You are talking about probabilities.  I don't believe in taking meaningless risks, even if small, to save a bit of work executing a few commands.

 

A lot of people don't use safely remove hardware for a long time and nothing happens to them.  But for some people, one day,...

 

Gene

 

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

All I can state is that I have been doing this all along, with no problems.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers.  See this article. 

 

And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways.  In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7.  XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I do agree that it's good to check your spelling before sending a message but I don't expect it to be done. You can do a spell check in thunderbird and windows live mail. I'm not sure about web mail though.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Although I don’t expect it to happen by everyone on a list, I must add that I wish more folks would use a spellchecker on their eMail program.

If one has Office installed, then your eMail program will definitely be able to check your eMail messages when you send them.

If you don’t have Office installed, I think some eMail programs have a spellchecking function included, I haven’t come across them though.

I can excuse smart phones and tablets, as their spellchecking functions may be harder to use.

Although not required, on lists, it is just good practice in my opinion.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.

 

That's all I'll say.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

 

The thing is, microsoft is the only company that handles windows and its stuff which is what most things use, trust them, yes but not fully.

There have been to many bad experiences, now there are some things they do great, a lot of things but not everything, and some of the things they have not done so well have an impact.

On 7/24/2018 7:24 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
For me "trust" does mean "taking someone at their word", and if I feel I can't
take them at their word, then I don't trust them.

I don't really see any other definition of "trust".

Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 20:40:17, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I havn't lost trust in ms as such, its just I won't take them at their
word anymore.

I expect for example when I start up windows on my systems that windows
may choose to not start because it chooses to mangle my profile or just
not start meaning I will have to reformat to make everything better.

I have come to terms that when I run anything it may or may not work but
usually does.

I have come to terms with changes on the fly which may or may not be
something I like and in that reguard try to bypass them if I can or use
whatever it is if I need.

To say I enjoy some of it is I don't know.

I used to enjoy windows, now its just another program I have to watch to
see if it works, once its working I get on to my tasks then I am done.


Re: Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA

 

Its a pitty ms killed skypekit.

What the blind need now is a client that uses the latest protocals for skype, it should support, skype including ms accounts, facebook accounts, no home page, no adds, the standard message and contacts tab and the phone stuff and nothing else.

Well groups, and video should we use it but thats it.

On 7/24/2018 7:13 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
This is where a third party client comes in handy. Who knows how it’ll all shake out after Twitter’s new rules take place next month, but for now, and for Twitter at least, the cleanest option is a third party client.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA


I find navigating social media websites very tiring. Is there an efficient way to access websites like facebok and twitter?
at present there is no way i could just give a casual navigation to these websites. it is because of their highly interactive content, navigating them is very tiring. you are forced to hear all sorts of unnecessary information. for example, you don't wish to hear the day and the time and other minor options in twitter while navigating from tweet to tweet in twitter.






Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

I have never seen that feature on my Windows 7 machine and I don't recall hearing anything announced on a friend of mine's Windows 7 machine.  But whatever the case, there is no connection between a scan and Safely remove hardware.  I don't know if the scan is to test the file system or to scan for viruses.  For all I know, there may be a setting in MSEE that is causing this action.  Safely remove hardware serves a completely different purpose.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Windows 7 I believe, and I plug into many computers, installing NVDA, and I use a 64GB thumb drive, and it would be time consuming to scan that on everyone’s computer.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

In what version of Windows did you first see this action?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Gene,

It is a default Windows action, I only use Microsoft’s anti-virus and malware (mrt) tools.

I tried a malware one lately, Malware Bytes, but I removed it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You may get that message on your machine, for some reason.  I have never gotten such a message on four machines.  maybe an antimalware program is offering to scan it but it is not a default action in Windows unless Windows 8 and 10 have such a default action.  I haven't used either version.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it.

Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label.

That is one I escape out of all the time.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I don't know what messages you are talking about.  if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing.  If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed.  If it can't, you get a message that it can't.  I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages.  I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive.  In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows.  it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be.  I explained in previous messages what I would do.  I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly.  But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement. 

 

You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't?  These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do.  They are placed there for a reason. 

 

You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware.  I won't go into that here.  But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance. 

 

How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

James,
I don't see the possibility of corrupting any files.
I ignore those canned messages from Microsoft about scanning and removing.
But if you scan it once, it should not ask you again for that particular drive for some time.
But I never power down drives and have never had a problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here.  If files do get corrupted, will it be just  on my thumb drive?  I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected  badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very  much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing  up and down through a web page?

Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.

James B







 





Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

I'm illustrating probability.  And how serious the consequences are cannot be assumed to be more minor in the case of a thumb drive.  If you have most of your unfinished masters thesis on a thumb drive, don't have it backed up and lose it because you don't use safely remove hardware, the results can be devastating. 
 
My point is probability.  A lot of people who don't wear seat belts never have a serious accident.  A lot of people who don't use safely remove hardware never lose data.  But a prudent person wears seat belts and uses safely remove hardware. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

I wouldn’t compare seatbelts to pulling a thumb drive.

LOL

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

A lot of people never wear seatbelts and nothing happens to them, but for some people one day, ...

 

You are talking about probabilities.  I don't believe in taking meaningless risks, even if small, to save a bit of work executing a few commands.

 

A lot of people don't use safely remove hardware for a long time and nothing happens to them.  But for some people, one day,...

 

Gene

 

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

All I can state is that I have been doing this all along, with no problems.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers.  See this article. 

 

And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways.  In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7.  XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

I think I get the scan and fix message because either it is a new drive introduced to the system, or it is because I did not do the safely remove software option the last time I pulled it out.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers.  See this article. 

 

And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways.  In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7.  XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Lino Morales
 

Gene. Sarah is severely horrid in her spelling. I don’t think she did that on purpose.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:01:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat
 
I assume Mocrosoft is another disparaging name and not a typing error?  Apple was ten or fifteen years behind in doing anything about accessibility.  I haven't used Apple products so I can't compare.  Would you object if someone used disparaging names for Apple or its products such as, I ust made one up, the oi phone instead of the IPhone, or perhaps, Cr, etc. for Apple?  I don't know if anyone would be offended if I wrote the whole name out.  In my opinion, this is juvinile and accomplishes nothing except perhaps offend people who may like this or that company or product.  Would you like it if someone made up some sort of disparaging name for NVDA? 
 
What goes around comes around.
 
Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

Although they are getting better, they still have a long way to go Apple are much much better at accessibility especially with their own softwares then mocrosoft, at least for now. Mocrosoft have a lot of catching up, and they know it.

I still say to the original poster, use skype, it is getting better, and it has a long way to go, but get used to it, or switch to zoom, which I would not use just for chatting purposes. It’s way too over powered for that.

On 23 Jul 2018, at 13:29, Gene wrote:

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member.  I really object to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many other companies. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
> to be a good thing and  talk about html was in happening  even since
> about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
> have to thank microslop for  it. They  made skype what it is today, a
> ver  good tool for my jobs and more.
>
> Blessings and happy Monday
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> address listed there.
>
> On 23 Jul 2018, at 2:50, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>
>> Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team
>> as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back
>> on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing
>> patience with it I suspect.
>
>
>
>




Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Gene
 

I assume Mocrosoft is another disparaging name and not a typing error?  Apple was ten or fifteen years behind in doing anything about accessibility.  I haven't used Apple products so I can't compare.  Would you object if someone used disparaging names for Apple or its products such as, I ust made one up, the oi phone instead of the IPhone, or perhaps, Cr, etc. for Apple?  I don't know if anyone would be offended if I wrote the whole name out.  In my opinion, this is juvinile and accomplishes nothing except perhaps offend people who may like this or that company or product.  Would you like it if someone made up some sort of disparaging name for NVDA? 
 
What goes around comes around.
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

Although they are getting better, they still have a long way to go Apple are much much better at accessibility especially with their own softwares then mocrosoft, at least for now. Mocrosoft have a lot of catching up, and they know it.

I still say to the original poster, use skype, it is getting better, and it has a long way to go, but get used to it, or switch to zoom, which I would not use just for chatting purposes. It’s way too over powered for that.

On 23 Jul 2018, at 13:29, Gene wrote:

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member.  I really object to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many other companies. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
> to be a good thing and  talk about html was in happening  even since
> about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
> have to thank microslop for  it. They  made skype what it is today, a
> ver  good tool for my jobs and more.
>
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> On 23 Jul 2018, at 2:50, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>
>> Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team
>> as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back
>> on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing
>> patience with it I suspect.
>
>
>
>




Anybody on here testing the FF betas?

Lino Morales
 

Hi. Is anyone on here testing the latest betas of Firefox with NVDA 2018.2 or later? Is it any faster? I’m still using Waterfox. Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Lino Morales
 

Good point Tyler. And this goes back to the VFO brewhaha we had on here last week. I don’t see how Narrator would disrupt open source screen readers like NVDA as his Erickness stated in that podcast. As I always say viva la NVDA!

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:49:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat
 
A few years ago I might have agreed with you on microsoft playing catch up.


These days, as you say, Microsoft is everywhere. Seeing AI is simply a
revolutionary tool on the smartphone and is not made by apple.
Similarly, narrator is quickly becoming a replacement for your every day
screen reader. Keep in mind that the NFB went at apple pretty hard back
in the day, too, so it isn't as though their bringing more accessibility
into the market was voluntary. Microsoft has pretty decent accessibility
on the Xbox, as well, a far cry from Sony who, even though they released
so called accessibility first, are still missing crutial tts in areas
like the system settings 4 years later. Playing catch up, indeed.

I'm curious where you think microsoft is lacking in accessibility these
days? Considering we have quite a few folks with disabilities working
for microsoft as well as apple, I think they're on a pretty level
playing field.


On 23-Jul-2018 3:40 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
> companies", but depending on which other companies you compare them with, that
> may not be saying much.
>
> Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop) computing
> market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done in terms
> of accessibility.
>
> I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but once they
> decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and Microsoft have
> simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment (rather like
> they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people had found
> out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick, they'd be left
> behind in the networked world).
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:
>
>> I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member.  I really object
>> to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to
>> it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many
>> other companies.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>> I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going
>>> to be a good thing and  talk about html was in happening  even since
>>> about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we
>>> have to thank microslop for  it. They  made skype what it is today, a
>>> ver good tool for my jobs and more.





Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

Windows 7 I believe, and I plug into many computers, installing NVDA, and I use a 64GB thumb drive, and it would be time consuming to scan that on everyone’s computer.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

In what version of Windows did you first see this action?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Gene,

It is a default Windows action, I only use Microsoft’s anti-virus and malware (mrt) tools.

I tried a malware one lately, Malware Bytes, but I removed it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You may get that message on your machine, for some reason.  I have never gotten such a message on four machines.  maybe an antimalware program is offering to scan it but it is not a default action in Windows unless Windows 8 and 10 have such a default action.  I haven't used either version.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it.

Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label.

That is one I escape out of all the time.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I don't know what messages you are talking about.  if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing.  If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed.  If it can't, you get a message that it can't.  I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages.  I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive.  In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows.  it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be.  I explained in previous messages what I would do.  I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly.  But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement. 

 

You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't?  These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do.  They are placed there for a reason. 

 

You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware.  I won't go into that here.  But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance. 

 

How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

James,
I don't see the possibility of corrupting any files.
I ignore those canned messages from Microsoft about scanning and removing.
But if you scan it once, it should not ask you again for that particular drive for some time.
But I never power down drives and have never had a problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here.  If files do get corrupted, will it be just  on my thumb drive?  I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected  badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very  much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing  up and down through a web page?

Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.

James B