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Re: skype 8 for desktop

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I sometimes sit here and find myself wondering why nobody heeds the well trodden rule of humanity. If something is not broken, don't try to fix it. That is all that needs to be said about Skype from its inception to now.
Brian

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To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] skype 8 for desktop


hi all
below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

kerryn


Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA

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I still think you might like the speech player in Espeak add on.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA


I haven’t heard from Richard yet but my impression was that he wanted to discuss East Texas and other things related to where we live.

After reading your last post, I am pretty certain that I will just use Eloquence from Code Factory when I come up with the cash. And, just use the original NVDA voice on a thumb drive when I want to have speech on a computer outside of my home.

Gene, thank you for your input. I sure wouldn’t have been impressed if I paid around $40,for lousy speech. Especially since I am so impressed with NVDA itself.

As I learn more, I will probably be interested in what some of the NVDA add ons do but I have my plate full right now since I am also learning how to use Chrome.

Cheers,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

There is something else to consider. First, I may have misunderstood the request to take the sub ject off list. It might have referred to where people live. I often see people take topics of general interest off lists and I first thought the request referred to the Eloquence discussion.

As far as the SAPI 5 versus the add on is concerned, I don't think you can use the SAPI 5 verxsion unless it is installed on the computer you want to use it with. I suspect, though you would have to check, that you can use the add with a portable version and that it would run with the rest of NVDA from a thumb drive. Perhaps, considering the problem of artifacts, you might want to have both versions, depending on where you are going to use the artifact.

Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest. This is such a topic. There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices. The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it, has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason. All sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur. the other synthesizer included is fine, but not the Eloquence.

I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Write me privately at richwels@gmx.com and I'll talk more about this.




On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best.

I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy.

James B


From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to the Code Factory product.




On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi all,

I have questions about diffferent voices for NVDA.

If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for each PC that I am using?

Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as good?

Thanks,

James B


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have to agree. They know they fudged up. I was talking personally with one of the accessibility heads over twitter and she knew since about maybe November and told me to wait. It has gotten a lot better in my humble opinion. I really am loving it.

On 22 Jul 2018, at 23:13, Felix G. wrote:

Hi!
With the exception of some intermediary stages, Skype's accessibility doesn't seem to be degrading, just changing. Even on iOS they're putting a lot of care into it, making it more Voiceover-friendly than some of Apple's own apps I could name. For now I'm sticking with it and can only recommend others do the same and provide feedback to Microsoft if something goes wrong.
Best,
Felix

Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018 um 05:32 Uhr:
Sadly I use skype for this. I use zoom for my business meetings but
those won’t help  you . I would  just stick to skype. It works and 
microsoft have improved it over all..

Take care and sorry to be the bringer of bad news.

On 21 Jul 2018, at 20:18, Bill Dengler wrote:

> Hello,
> This might not be the right list for this sort of thing, but I figured
> it’d be worth a shot.
> With Skype’s accessibility degrading on Windows and virtually
> disappearing on the Mac after recent updates, I’m looking for
> alternatives.
> I’m looking for a service (or collection of services used together)
> for realtime voice and text chat. The services must have accessible,
> native (i.e. not a web view) apps on Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. I
> am willing to consider an app with a web view if accessibility is
> excellent. Incoming text chat messages must be automatically read
> aloud for JAWS users. The following features are nice to have, in
> rough order of most to least important, but are not required:
> 1. Automatic reading of incoming text chat messages for NVDA,
> VoiceOver users.
> 2. End-to-end encryption.
> 3. Use of the Opus codec (or something similar) allowing for high, yet
> stable audio quality depending on network conditions.
> 4. Conference/group chat support.
> 5. Based on open standards (or has a public API), so if the app breaks
> we can find/write another.
>
> A few options I thought of:
> faceTime/iMessage: doesn’t work for Windows/Android/non-Apple users.
> Whatsapp/Signal/Slack: desktop apps are web based
> Discord: desktop app is web based, reports of inaccessibility on
> mobile
> Telegram: accessibility on mobile is hit and miss
> Google Duo/Alo: no desktop apps at all
> Running my own XMPP/SIP server: no XMPP clients that I know of
> autoread for JAWS, I am responsible for running my own servers (not in
> itself a bad thing but makes it harder to communicate with those not
> connected to my server), difficult to use for nontechnical users.
> Twiter direct messages: will not be realtime after streaming API is
> shut down, no solution for voice chat.
>
> Any ideas on other services I can investigate?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill
>




Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

James,
I don't see the possibility of corrupting any files.
I ignore those canned messages from Microsoft about scanning and removing.
But if you scan it once, it should not ask you again for that particular drive for some time.
But I never power down drives and have never had a problem.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here. If files do get corrupted, will it be just on my thumb drive? I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B


Re: Introduction, and a question

 

Hi,

Actually, to sum this all up:

  1. Why the message appears: if NVDA is run from a USB flash drive (that’s the usual term, by the way), it’ll use files stored on that drive for certain operations, including loading DLL’s, reading settings, operations performed by add-ons (if any) and what not, thus Windows will display the message stated earlier (problem ejecting drive).
  2. No need for a complete shutdown: you don’t have to completely turn off your computer in order to eject a USB flash drive. You can quit NVDA, wait about ten seconds, (after you hear the shutdown chime), and remove the flash drive.
  3. Files on the flash drive won’t affect user profile: if running from a flash drive, NVDA will work with files stored in there – not your documents unless you have an add-on or two that doesn’t care if it is running on a portable copy and access your files anyway (I have yet to come across an add-on doing that in my reviews).

 

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,
 
I now have a backup  thumb drive with NVDA portable on it just in case.
 
LOL, I would never just unplug a computer.  However, an unbelievably large lightning strike fried a network card and a cable box here back on the eleventh of this month.  And, that shut down electronics in around 4 appartments.  But, other than power outages and lightning strikes, I use normal shut down procedures .
 
James B
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
The only files you can corrupt by unplugging a USB device without safely
unmounting it first are files on that USB device.

Any files on the main computer which are in use at the time (even if they're in
use by a program running from the USB device) can't be affected, because the
hard disk in the main computer is still connected and its file system is still
intact,and I hope that when the main computer gets shut down, it's not just by
unplugging the power cable :)


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 15:38:43, James Bentley wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
> And, friends computers.
>
> So, I better double check some thing here.  If files do get corrupted, will
> it be just  on my thumb drive?  I sure do not want to mess up a computer
> that doesn't even belong to me.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
>
> James B

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Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

no, the sapi5 version of eloquence is the best. Not only will it work with NVDA, but it also works with audio games from www.audiogames.net and any other sapi5 apps you want to use it with. in other words, with sapi5 eloquence you get more for your money. it costs around $70 but its worth it. 


Re: Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,
 
The thumb drive is locked  even if I wait 30 minutes.  But, it does look like doing a forced shut down is safe and less of a hassle than doing a shut down.  Especially since I will not be putting a  public computer at risk.  I did create a backup portible thumb drive just in case.
 
You know, its just plain common sense to avoid corrupting  files on someone elses computer.  So, I really appreciate everyone’s input on this. 
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
It will only be on your thumb drive and if you follow what I said previously about waiting a minute or two after unloading NVDA, the chances of corrruption are virtually nonexistent.  But I said that you might want to have a second drive if you are worried about corruption. 
 
It is unnecessary to power down the computer.  The reason corruption may occur is that, depending on how the parameters are set as to when information is written to the thumb drive, it may be that when disconnecting the thumb drive, if information is being written, corruption may occur.  Safely remove hardware assures that all information is written to the thumb drive before the safe to disconnect message is given.  Since you may not be able to use safely remove hardware, there is a chance that information hasn't finished being written when you disconnect the drive.  That's why I say to wait a minute or two before disconnecting.  But I didn't know about the forced release of files feature.  I would think that using it would allow safely remove hardware to work properly and the entire problem should be solved.
 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here.  If files do get corrupted, will
it be just  on my thumb drive?  I sure do not want to mess up a computer
that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like
an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected  badly when I
plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure
if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing
files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that
stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this,
by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines
with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as
useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow
accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and
sometimes this is not very  much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing  up and down through a web page?

Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.

James B







 




Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Ervin, Glenn
 

In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get off of SSDI.

So usually cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and scripting.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Dear Brian & List:

 

I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a certified Jaws Scripter.

 

Perhaps not.

 

I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work would have to be completely redone.

 

I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell Foundation of San Francisco.

 

I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay and pay to support only a few employees.

Brian

 

It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the employer to be was misquoted for the job.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?

If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.  Alternatively, even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.

I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed about 2 years ago.  It is a real niche market.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dohme

 

 


Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

It will only be on your thumb drive and if you follow what I said previously about waiting a minute or two after unloading NVDA, the chances of corrruption are virtually nonexistent.  But I said that you might want to have a second drive if you are worried about corruption. 
 
It is unnecessary to power down the computer.  The reason corruption may occur is that, depending on how the parameters are set as to when information is written to the thumb drive, it may be that when disconnecting the thumb drive, if information is being written, corruption may occur.  Safely remove hardware assures that all information is written to the thumb drive before the safe to disconnect message is given.  Since you may not be able to use safely remove hardware, there is a chance that information hasn't finished being written when you disconnect the drive.  That's why I say to wait a minute or two before disconnecting.  But I didn't know about the forced release of files feature.  I would think that using it would allow safely remove hardware to work properly and the entire problem should be solved.
 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here.  If files do get corrupted, will
it be just  on my thumb drive?  I sure do not want to mess up a computer
that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like
an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected  badly when I
plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure
if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing
files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that
stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this,
by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines
with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as
useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow
accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and
sometimes this is not very  much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing  up and down through a web page?

Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.

James B







 




Re: skype 8 for desktop

P. Otter
 

I agree!
Paul Otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 15:56 schreef Gene:

Since its founding, the list has permitted some off topic discussion. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

This message train does not appear to discuss Skype 8 for desktops in connection with NVDA. Does it belong here or on Skype English list?

Many mail clients include highly effective grammar & spelling checkers. Please use them to promote excellence in writing style, spelling and capitalization & grammar. Please set your mail client to require spelling and grammar checks on all mail prior to sending. After running the checkers, remember to proofread your post. This improves your writing style. As well as letting, you touch up errors the checkers somehow neglected to find.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Ok, that means, it is the same hotkey as to start an audio conversation?
Rather strange!
I have tried it out but it do not work.
I am afraid there is not one!!
 

Op 23-7-2018 Om 03:04 schreef Cristóbal:

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

You are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
In addition, that is the problem.
Cheers
Paul otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 

 



Re: skype 8 for desktop

Gene
 

Please stop policing the list and serving as a moderator. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Gene
 

While it would be nice if people read their messages before sending, and so forth, this list, and no other list I'm on, requires it and it is generally considered bad form to comment on writing or grammar except in egregious circumstances where a message is difficult to understand.  It is generally advised to observe the culture of a list before commenting on such things.  Also, such comments are, except in egregious cases, far better either not commented on or, if you want the list to start trying to encourage good writing, such comments should be sent to the owner and moderator, using the link given in the footer of each message for that purpose.
 
Gene, moderator

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

This message train does discuss Skype 8 for desktop, however has nothing to do with NVDA, this list's topic.

Perhaps should migrate to Skype English?

Please, Use grammar & spell checkers for optimal writing perfection. In addition, proofread.

1,200 bytes of redundant list trailers deleted.

Brian

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?

 

On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Gene
 

Since its founding, the list has permitted some off topic discussion. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

This message train does not appear to discuss Skype 8 for desktops in connection with NVDA. Does it belong here or on Skype English list?

Many mail clients include highly effective grammar & spelling checkers. Please use them to promote excellence in writing style, spelling and capitalization & grammar. Please set your mail client to require spelling and grammar checks on all mail prior to sending. After running the checkers, remember to proofread your post. This improves your writing style. As well as letting, you touch up errors the checkers somehow neglected to find.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Ok, that means, it is the same hotkey as to start an audio conversation?
Rather strange!
I have tried it out but it do not work.
I am afraid there is not one!!
 

Op 23-7-2018 Om 03:04 schreef Cristóbal:

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

You are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
In addition, that is the problem.
Cheers
Paul otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 

 


Re: OT Skype Commands was OTT Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Gene
 

If people reply to the message they are responding to, and leave the quoted message, or the relevant part below there message, quoting or summarizing the message doesn't need to be done to any extent, in my opinion.  But what really annoys me is people who don't leave the message they are quoting below there's, and do no summary of what they are responding to such as, in your message, you said that X.  Then go on with their comments.  What do they expect?  That people who receive hundreds of messages a day are going to photographically remember every message and immediately know, "oh, that was a message where John said, whatever John said.  A little common sense and thought would work wonders.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] OT Skype Commands was OTT Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

This message has had a defective subject line for four iterations. How many more iterations of it must we suffer?

The subject of this message has nothing to do with the message body.

What, pray tell, do Skype Commands have to do with NVDA, the stated topic of this list?

Posters need to follow the list rule about quoting just enough to maintain continuity of discussion and ideally summing up all prior messages in a sentence or two. Concisely summing up is highly prized in business, academia as well as society generally.

1,301 bytes of redundant list trailer lines truncated by myself.

Honest, the list management program will automatically add a brand new set of trailer lines when the message is posted. Some people, especially using cellular data, pay for the text they receive, including redundant quotes and 1,301 bytes of list trailer lines. Few people can afford Unlimited Cellular Data, assuming their carrier even offers this choice.

Brian

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Yes. I was not at first since it was not listed in the shortcut table, but indeed, you can answer an incoming call with this command. You have to be in the Skype window for any of the commands to work though. Inconvenient to say the least.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Are you really sure, the hotkey to answer a call is similar with the key to start an audio call?
 
Cheers
Paul otter

Op 21-7-2018 Om 19:23 schreef Cristóbal:

Answering is control plus shift plus P.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Yes, most of the things are possible.
However, how can I answer an incoming call, alt pgup des not work and how can I activate the hotkeys for skype?
For example, in a list I see, ctrl e, sometimes it works but sometimes not then, the connection keeps open.
However, in the list I see ctrl e is stop connection.
I am curious!
Cheers
Paul otter
 

Op 21-7-2018 Om 05:45 schreef Supanut Leepaisomboon:

When you open Skype 8, NVDA treats it just like a normal web page. Therefore, if you can navigate the web using NVDA, then you can navigate around the interface of the new Skype 8 as well.

 


Re: Introduction, and a question

Antony Stone
 

The only files you can corrupt by unplugging a USB device without safely
unmounting it first are files on that USB device.

Any files on the main computer which are in use at the time (even if they're in
use by a program running from the USB device) can't be affected, because the
hard disk in the main computer is still connected and its file system is still
intact,and I hope that when the main computer gets shut down, it's not just by
unplugging the power cable :)


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 15:38:43, James Bentley wrote:

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here. If files do get corrupted, will
it be just on my thumb drive? I sure do not want to mess up a computer
that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B
--
I bought a book about anti-gravity. The reviews say you can't put it down.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers. And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here. If files do get corrupted, will it be just on my thumb drive? I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like
an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected badly when I
plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure
if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing
files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that
stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this,
by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines
with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as
useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow
accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and
sometimes this is not very much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Kerryn Gunness
 

control q will quit skype 8  generally
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype 8 for desktop

Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?


On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:
you're right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
and that's the problem.
cheers
paul otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:
hi all
below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop
 
 
kerryn



Re: here is my little bit of experiment

sardar shankar
 

sorry! I didn't know that it'll be a big problem.

On 7/23/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I would like to point out, as this is your first post here, that if the
Eloquence you mention here is not the legal one, you cannot advertise this
here as we have legal issues.
Obviously if you remove this and make it clear that this has been done,
then fine.
For the record if it is that illegal add on it has also got reliability
ramifications on nvda as well.

Just saying.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "sardar shankar" <shankars.5060@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] here is my little bit of experiment


plz know me your opinions suggestions are wellcomed do keep in mind
that this is my first post regarding NVDA and i'm new to this
blogging!
http://sardartechsollutions4vi.blogspot.com/2018/07/here-is-fully-functional-portable-nvda.html