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Re: Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

 

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Walker, Michael E wrote:
I am pasting into Outlook.
I would check what your default paste settings are in the Outlook Message editor.  (Also, for complete clarity, what version of Outlook).

I just went to a page on the New York times, selected a paragraph and a half of text entirely using keyboard commands and when running NVDA, and pasted in Word and all of the formatting, including links in the article, pasted right in.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

Walker, Michael E
 

Thank you, Gene. Does this feedback and questions we are discussing get seen by the developers? Are most of NVDA’s developers also on this list?

 

Thanks,

Michael E. Walker

Programmer/Analyst: HR, SSG & Corporate Systems

The Boeing Company

Email: Michael.E.Walker3@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

 

The only way I know to do it is to turn off browse mode, select the entire page with control a, paste it to the clip board, then copy the entire page into something which will retain the formatting.  others may tell you if Word, or some other program does this.  Then, you would copy only what you want of the entire page to the clipboard and paste it wherever you want. 

 

Either that, or use a JAWS demo where, I believe copy from page is the default.  NVDA copies from the browse mode buffer and you can't change that unless you turn off the browse mode buffer and copy the entire page since you can't select by phrase, line, etc. if you turn off the browse mode buffer.

 

Again, as yesterday, this is an important matter of user definable options that should be available.  Perhaps a small group should be convened to consider such important options and implement them.  NVDA will not be a properly capable employment or academic grade screen-reader until these sorts of abilities are implemented. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:56 AM

Subject: [nvda] Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

 

Hi,

 

When I am in Firefox and IE, if I copy several lines or paragraphs to the clipboard using shift+down arrow, formatting is not retained, but the text I want to copy is. How do I retain the formatting as well? How do I get NVDA to do that?

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

Gene
 

The only way I know to do it is to turn off browse mode, select the entire page with control a, paste it to the clip board, then copy the entire page into something which will retain the formatting.  others may tell you if Word, or some other program does this.  Then, you would copy only what you want of the entire page to the clipboard and paste it wherever you want. 
 
Either that, or use a JAWS demo where, I believe copy from page is the default.  NVDA copies from the browse mode buffer and you can't change that unless you turn off the browse mode buffer and copy the entire page since you can't select by phrase, line, etc. if you turn off the browse mode buffer.
 
Again, as yesterday, this is an important matter of user definable options that should be available.  Perhaps a small group should be convened to consider such important options and implement them.  NVDA will not be a properly capable employment or academic grade screen-reader until these sorts of abilities are implemented. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

Hi,

 

When I am in Firefox and IE, if I copy several lines or paragraphs to the clipboard using shift+down arrow, formatting is not retained, but the text I want to copy is. How do I retain the formatting as well? How do I get NVDA to do that?

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

Walker, Michael E
 

I am pasting into Outlook.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

 

The first question that must be answered is:  What are you pasting in to?

I say that because if, for instance, you're pasting into Notepad you simply cannot retain the formatting under any circumstances.  It is a text editor and anything pasted into it will retain the text only.

If you're pasting into, say, Microsoft Word, what controls the retention of formatting is a combination of what you have set as your default paste behavior, or using the post-paste button that shows up to override that behavior when you need to do so.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

 

The first question that must be answered is:  What are you pasting in to?

I say that because if, for instance, you're pasting into Notepad you simply cannot retain the formatting under any circumstances.  It is a text editor and anything pasted into it will retain the text only.

If you're pasting into, say, Microsoft Word, what controls the retention of formatting is a combination of what you have set as your default paste behavior, or using the post-paste button that shows up to override that behavior when you need to do so.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi,

 

When I am in Firefox and IE, if I copy several lines or paragraphs to the clipboard using shift+down arrow, formatting is not retained, but the text I want to copy is. How do I retain the formatting as well? How do I get NVDA to do that?

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

 

Hi,
Glad it is working for you now, and don't worry about taking all my time.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

After another reboot it is working again to my astonishment😲 I don't understand it😖 but I am very glad😌

Thank you for the trouble you took to help; I appreciate it and also apologise for taking up your time.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 09:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I still cannot reproduce this problem when I tried with NVDA 2018.3 beta 2 and Windows 10 App Essentials 18.08.1 running on build 17134.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

NVDA version 2018.3Beta2 and Windows 10 App Essentials version 18.08.1.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 06:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803 build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10
machine with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version
of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo

















Re: no braille in help mode

 

Hi,
I can't reproduce this on my system with BrailleNote Apex as a braille
display. I'm wondering if this is specific to HIMS displays or something
broke with others in recent NVDA releases.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Tew via
Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 6:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] no braille in help mode

when I press nvda+1 all braille ceases.
It comes back as soon as I press nvda+1 again.
using hims u2 on win ten 64bit desktop.


Re: Thunderbird columns with object navigation

David Mellor
 

I use Outlook 2003. I have just started exploring TB 60.0, the latest
version.
Two add-ons that sound promising are Obj nav and Mozilla Apps Extender

Other observations, areas for me to explore and wishes:
Control over where Thunderbird starts, eg, Inbox
Confusion over where Thunderbird is leave the cursor in the message list
when a folder is first opened
Warning about loading remote content in messages is quite disruptive
I would like to close messages with escape. There is an add-on for that.
how to jump to messages in large lists like mail lists quickly by typing the
first few characters of the name.
Same for selecting folders
The move option on the message list apps key menu is not toward the bottom
of he list as with Outlook so it takes much longer to navigate to.
No alt text for some fields in account setup, didn't really matter.
Speech is a bit verbose when starting a new message with cntl-n
Will explore whether I can have a new email arrived tone only when something
I am likely to be interested in appears in the inbox
I will explore whether I can place interesting threads from mailing lists in
other folders in my Inbox, mixing regular and threaded modes in the same
display. I doubt it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 16 August 2018 19:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Firstly which version of Tbird do you run now?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mellor" <david2@parasys.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation


Hi marcio,
Could you tell me how you are currently doing it please?
David


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: 16 August 2018 13:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi,
Can you tell me where I find this addon?
I know how to move Thunderbird Columns but with an addon it'll be
easier, I'm sure.

Em 16/08/2018 08:31, Rui Fontes escreveu:
It is a NVDA addon, and with my version of Thunderbird, 52.9.1 (32
bits) still works to manage coluns...


Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

�s 12:05 de 16/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
There is an add on, I don't recall if it is a Thunderbird or an NVDA
add on that makes changing the order much easier.� I don't know if it
works with new versions, but it might save you time and trouble to
wait for more information from the list about it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Mellor <mailto:david2@parasys.co.uk>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi group,
I came across this post about changing the order of mail message
columns in
Thunderbird.
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/colum_headers_in_thunderbird/3281531?p=,


,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,0,,20,0,780,3281531
Unfortunately I can't find the column headers anywhere on Thunderbird
60.0
using object navigation. I can move around the message list and
folder list
and I've been able to drag and drop folders around using the same
method.

Has anyone had any luck with accessing the message column headers with
recent Thunderbird versions please?

Very many thanks,
David






Re: info about math

Walker, Michael E
 

You’re welcome.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] info about math

 

thank u

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:58 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] info about math

 

Hi, I have heard of MathML, but have also struggled with math accessibility. Now days, you should be able to get decent results by a Google search on math for the blind, or something similar. You might try “math accessibility” as part of your phrase.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] info about math

 

hi all

i no this may not be related to the group directly, but i will ask anyway

1 can NVDA work with math?

2  what systems are in place for u all in the first world countries to do math, in terms of accessibility etc

3  we in the caribbean having difficulties with math accessibility for our students

4 what do u all use there, at schools, at universities etc

 

thanks

 

regards

kerryn


Re: info about math

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

thank u
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] info about math

Hi, I have heard of MathML, but have also struggled with math accessibility. Now days, you should be able to get decent results by a Google search on math for the blind, or something similar. You might try “math accessibility” as part of your phrase.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] info about math

 

hi all

i no this may not be related to the group directly, but i will ask anyway

1 can NVDA work with math?

2  what systems are in place for u all in the first world countries to do math, in terms of accessibility etc

3  we in the caribbean having difficulties with math accessibility for our students

4 what do u all use there, at schools, at universities etc

 

thanks

 

regards

kerryn


Re: info about math

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi, I have heard of MathML, but have also struggled with math accessibility. Now days, you should be able to get decent results by a Google search on math for the blind, or something similar. You might try “math accessibility” as part of your phrase.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] info about math

 

hi all

i no this may not be related to the group directly, but i will ask anyway

1 can NVDA work with math?

2  what systems are in place for u all in the first world countries to do math, in terms of accessibility etc

3  we in the caribbean having difficulties with math accessibility for our students

4 what do u all use there, at schools, at universities etc

 

thanks

 

regards

kerryn


info about math

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

hi all
i no this may not be related to the group directly, but i will ask anyway
1 can NVDA work with math?
2  what systems are in place for u all in the first world countries to do math, in terms of accessibility etc
3  we in the caribbean having difficulties with math accessibility for our students
4 what do u all use there, at schools, at universities etc
 
thanks
 
regards
kerryn


Re: NVDA and Microsoft OneCore Voices

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Kelly

Assuming you are talking about the voice rate in NVDA Settings being 100%,press Windows+i to open the Settings dialog for Windows, tab into the list of categories and press enter on “Ease of Access”.  Tab to the list of topics and arrow down to Speech and press enter.  Tab to “Additional Speech Settings and press enter.  You should find a speech rate for the OneCore voice, check it’s value between the 2 machines and adjust accordingly.

 

Cheers

Chris . 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Sent: 17 August 2018 13:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft OneCore Voices

 

Hi,

 

Are there any known issues with NVDA and the MS OneCore voices and speech rate.  I have the same version of NVDA installed on two different computers but the top rates I’m getting with the OneCore voices are drastically different.  On one machine, the rates are similar to what you’d get if you used MS Sapi 5, very slow even at 100%.  The voices themselves are the OneCore versions though.

 

The two machines are running the latest Windows Insider build.

 

 


no braille in help mode

Brian Tew
 

when I press nvda+1 all braille ceases.
It comes back as soon as I press nvda+1 again.
using hims u2 on win ten 64bit desktop.


NVDA and Microsoft OneCore Voices

Kelly <kelly@...>
 

Hi,

 

Are there any known issues with NVDA and the MS OneCore voices and speech rate.  I have the same version of NVDA installed on two different computers but the top rates I’m getting with the OneCore voices are drastically different.  On one machine, the rates are similar to what you’d get if you used MS Sapi 5, very slow even at 100%.  The voices themselves are the OneCore versions though.

 

The two machines are running the latest Windows Insider build.

 

 


Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Jacob Kruger
 

Christo, noticed something 'odd' just now - here on my windows 10 machine, running nvda alpha version, under NVDA preferences, settings, under emoticons, the default setting seemed to be Activate speaking of emoticons: off - when changed it to on, it then did start reading out emoticons to me again.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
082 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 8/17/2018 1:42 PM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Hi Joseph

After another reboot it is working again to my astonishment😲 I don't understand it😖 but I am very glad😌

Thank you for the trouble you took to help; I appreciate it and also apologise for taking up your time.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 09:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I still cannot reproduce this problem when I tried with NVDA 2018.3 beta 2 and Windows 10 App Essentials 18.08.1 running on build 17134.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

NVDA version 2018.3Beta2 and Windows 10 App Essentials version 18.08.1.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 06:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803  build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo


















Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Christo de Klerk
 

Hi Joseph

After another reboot it is working again to my astonishment😲 I don't understand it😖 but I am very glad😌

Thank you for the trouble you took to help; I appreciate it and also apologise for taking up your time.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/16 09:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I still cannot reproduce this problem when I tried with NVDA 2018.3 beta 2 and Windows 10 App Essentials 18.08.1 running on build 17134.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

NVDA version 2018.3Beta2 and Windows 10 App Essentials version 18.08.1.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 06:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803 build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo
















Re: Mozilla fire fox crashes with nvda 2018.3 beta 3

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Can any one tell me the reason why the difference.


In a portable version of the alfa snapshot in the main directory there
is 59 files.


In the portable version of the beta main directory there are only 53 files


In the stable version in the main directory there are 60 files in the
stable version in the main directory.


so it seems like there are files missing in the beta version of nvda
2018.3 beta 3


Why would this be different for all 3?


Gene nz

On 8/17/2018 11:03 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


If i use the beta 3 version of nvda it crashes fire fox wheather you
open it in the user guide or from off the desk top.


it does not do it for the alfa or stable version.


Gene nz



On 8/17/2018 10:15 PM, zahra wrote:
hi.
i explaned how to disable multiprocess of firefox.
can you please try it and give me the result?
thanks.

On 8/17/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys


I downloaded the nvda 2018.3 beta 3 release made sure every thing was
cleared in the portable version then installed the new 2018.3 beta 3
release into that folder.


The same problem still is there when you go either to open say the user
guide etc through mozilla fire fox you hear a ding then fire fox crashes.


I also thought i would open it normally from the desk top and the same
thing happens it goes to open up then the browser crashes.


The alfa version does not do this and nor does the stable version of
nvda 2018.2.1 it just opens normally.


There is no add ons in nvda for the beta version and i do not think any
ting in mozilla fire fox is doing it either.


has any body got any ideas if i can not get into the browser.


I tried it with google chrome no problems there when opening a web site
only in mozilla fire fox.

It looks as though edge will open correctly as well.


The only ting i have not done is installed the beta over the stable
version not sure if it would fix it or still do the same.


I did post a debug in last night but can open the beta version of nvda
go into those browsers and show that 2 work correctly but not mozilla
fire fox.

Not sure if this would show any more to a developer.


any other ideas to try?



Gene nz

On 8/17/2018 3:48 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
How do you do this.

Multiprocessing is actually a good idea if your system is powerfull
enough.

Waterfox can do it if you check a box.



On 8/17/2018 3:36 PM, zahra wrote:
hi.
i never used beta versions of nvda, but i found a solution for
stopping crashing for newer versions of firefox, (firefox quantum).
the solution is disabling multiprocess in firefox.
if someone wish to do this, because of crashing or slowness of the
system, and someone has not powerful system to handel multiprocess
without problem, let me know and i explane how to disable this
horrible feature of firefox quantum!

On 8/17/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


If you are referring to nvda in the beta version there is no add
ons. if
it is the browser it is the same add ons that are used with the alfa
and
stable version and it or those versions do not have the problem only
the
beta. It is sorta randam but seems if you use the alfa first then turn
it off then start the beta it will happen then at times.


Gene nz



On 8/16/2018 9:12 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you use any add ons?
Try disabling them all and then turn them on one at a time if it fixes
it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "hurrikennyandopo ..."
<hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mozilla fire fox crashes with nvda 2018.3 beta 2


It seems to happen if i use the alfa snap shot first say to update
then
after i turn it off then check with the beta version it seems to
crash
but not all the time some times it will just give the message no
updates
then you can close it then other times the browser crashes.

this is only with nvda 2018.3 beta 2 not the alfa snap shot.


Gene nz



On 8/16/2018 8:24 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys


I do not get this problem with the alfa snapshot when i go to do the
following. help then check for update.

it will download the alfa snap shot then let me set it up.


when i go to do the same with the nvda 2018.3 beta 2 snap shot it
goes
to open the browser then crashes and then i get the following.


I thought it might of been a corrupted beta etc so totally
removed it
all settings etc then reinstalled it. Even done this with a new
fresh
copy as well.


INFO - __main__ (20:09:35.987):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.563):
Config dir: C:\nvda beta snapshots\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (20:09:36.565):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.717):
NVDA version 2018.3beta2
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.717):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.719):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.719):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (20:09:38.078):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (20:09:38.079):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (20:09:38.085):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (20:09:38.085):
Using liblouis version 3.6.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (20:09:38.088):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0
cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (20:09:38.415):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (20:09:38.915):
NVDA initialized
INFO - updateCheck.AutoUpdateChecker._started (20:09:38.993):
Performing automatic update check
ERROR - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer._loadBuffer (20:10:21.470):
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 417, in _loadBuffer
WindowsError: [Error 1726] The remote procedure call failed
ERROR - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer._loadBuffer (20:11:19.418):
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 417, in _loadBuffer
WindowsError: [Error 1726] The remote procedure call failed
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(20:12:05.006):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
role: ROLE_CHECKBOX
states: STATE_CHECKED, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at
0x035D3450>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>,
<class
'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>,
<class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>,
<type 'object'>)
description: None
location: (477, 450, 355, 16)
value: None
appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName u'crashreporter', process ID
9028) at address 5872650>
appModule.productName: u'Firefox'
appModule.productVersion: u'61.0.2'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 263040
windowClassName: u'Button'
windowControlID: 1007
windowStyle: 1342242819
windowThreadID: 6616
windowText: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
displayText: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x754280 at 583df30>
IAccessibleChildID: 0
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=263040, objectID=-4,
childID=0
IAccessible accName: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix
it'
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CHECKBUTTON
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_CHECKED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED,
STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048596)
IAccessible accDescription: None
IAccessible accValue: None




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Re: Mozilla fire fox crashes with nvda 2018.3 beta 3

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


If i use the beta 3 version of nvda it crashes fire fox wheather you
open it in the user guide or from off the desk top.


it does not do it for the alfa or stable version.


Gene nz

On 8/17/2018 10:15 PM, zahra wrote:
hi.
i explaned how to disable multiprocess of firefox.
can you please try it and give me the result?
thanks.

On 8/17/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys


I downloaded the nvda 2018.3 beta 3 release made sure every thing was
cleared in the portable version then installed the new 2018.3 beta 3
release into that folder.


The same problem still is there when you go either to open say the user
guide etc through mozilla fire fox you hear a ding then fire fox crashes.


I also thought i would open it normally from the desk top and the same
thing happens it goes to open up then the browser crashes.


The alfa version does not do this and nor does the stable version of
nvda 2018.2.1 it just opens normally.


There is no add ons in nvda for the beta version and i do not think any
ting in mozilla fire fox is doing it either.


has any body got any ideas if i can not get into the browser.


I tried it with google chrome no problems there when opening a web site
only in mozilla fire fox.

It looks as though edge will open correctly as well.


The only ting i have not done is installed the beta over the stable
version not sure if it would fix it or still do the same.


I did post a debug in last night but can open the beta version of nvda
go into those browsers and show that 2 work correctly but not mozilla
fire fox.

Not sure if this would show any more to a developer.


any other ideas to try?



Gene nz

On 8/17/2018 3:48 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
How do you do this.

Multiprocessing is actually a good idea if your system is powerfull
enough.

Waterfox can do it if you check a box.



On 8/17/2018 3:36 PM, zahra wrote:
hi.
i never used beta versions of nvda, but i found a solution for
stopping crashing for newer versions of firefox, (firefox quantum).
the solution is disabling multiprocess in firefox.
if someone wish to do this, because of crashing or slowness of the
system, and someone has not powerful system to handel multiprocess
without problem, let me know and i explane how to disable this
horrible feature of firefox quantum!

On 8/17/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


If you are referring to nvda in the beta version there is no add
ons. if
it is the browser it is the same add ons that are used with the alfa
and
stable version and it or those versions do not have the problem only
the
beta. It is sorta randam but seems if you use the alfa first then turn
it off then start the beta it will happen then at times.


Gene nz



On 8/16/2018 9:12 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you use any add ons?
Try disabling them all and then turn them on one at a time if it fixes
it.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "hurrikennyandopo ..."
<hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mozilla fire fox crashes with nvda 2018.3 beta 2


It seems to happen if i use the alfa snap shot first say to update
then
after i turn it off then check with the beta version it seems to
crash
but not all the time some times it will just give the message no
updates
then you can close it then other times the browser crashes.

this is only with nvda 2018.3 beta 2 not the alfa snap shot.


Gene nz



On 8/16/2018 8:24 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys


I do not get this problem with the alfa snapshot when i go to do the
following. help then check for update.

it will download the alfa snap shot then let me set it up.


when i go to do the same with the nvda 2018.3 beta 2 snap shot it
goes
to open the browser then crashes and then i get the following.


I thought it might of been a corrupted beta etc so totally
removed it
all settings etc then reinstalled it. Even done this with a new
fresh
copy as well.


INFO - __main__ (20:09:35.987):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.563):
Config dir: C:\nvda beta snapshots\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (20:09:36.565):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.717):
NVDA version 2018.3beta2
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.717):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.719):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.719):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (20:09:38.078):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (20:09:38.079):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (20:09:38.085):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (20:09:38.085):
Using liblouis version 3.6.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (20:09:38.088):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0
cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (20:09:38.415):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (20:09:38.915):
NVDA initialized
INFO - updateCheck.AutoUpdateChecker._started (20:09:38.993):
Performing automatic update check
ERROR - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer._loadBuffer (20:10:21.470):
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 417, in _loadBuffer
WindowsError: [Error 1726] The remote procedure call failed
ERROR - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer._loadBuffer (20:11:19.418):
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 417, in _loadBuffer
WindowsError: [Error 1726] The remote procedure call failed
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(20:12:05.006):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
role: ROLE_CHECKBOX
states: STATE_CHECKED, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at
0x035D3450>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>,
<class
'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>,
<class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>,
<type 'object'>)
description: None
location: (477, 450, 355, 16)
value: None
appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName u'crashreporter', process ID
9028) at address 5872650>
appModule.productName: u'Firefox'
appModule.productVersion: u'61.0.2'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 263040
windowClassName: u'Button'
windowControlID: 1007
windowStyle: 1342242819
windowThreadID: 6616
windowText: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
displayText: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x754280 at 583df30>
IAccessibleChildID: 0
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=263040, objectID=-4,
childID=0
IAccessible accName: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix
it'
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CHECKBUTTON
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_CHECKED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED,
STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048596)
IAccessible accDescription: None
IAccessible accValue: None




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