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Re: skype 8 for desktop

Gene
 

Please stop policing the list and serving as a moderator. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Gene
 

While it would be nice if people read their messages before sending, and so forth, this list, and no other list I'm on, requires it and it is generally considered bad form to comment on writing or grammar except in egregious circumstances where a message is difficult to understand.  It is generally advised to observe the culture of a list before commenting on such things.  Also, such comments are, except in egregious cases, far better either not commented on or, if you want the list to start trying to encourage good writing, such comments should be sent to the owner and moderator, using the link given in the footer of each message for that purpose.
 
Gene, moderator

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

This message train does discuss Skype 8 for desktop, however has nothing to do with NVDA, this list's topic.

Perhaps should migrate to Skype English?

Please, Use grammar & spell checkers for optimal writing perfection. In addition, proofread.

1,200 bytes of redundant list trailers deleted.

Brian

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?

 

On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Gene
 

Since its founding, the list has permitted some off topic discussion. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

This message train does not appear to discuss Skype 8 for desktops in connection with NVDA. Does it belong here or on Skype English list?

Many mail clients include highly effective grammar & spelling checkers. Please use them to promote excellence in writing style, spelling and capitalization & grammar. Please set your mail client to require spelling and grammar checks on all mail prior to sending. After running the checkers, remember to proofread your post. This improves your writing style. As well as letting, you touch up errors the checkers somehow neglected to find.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Ok, that means, it is the same hotkey as to start an audio conversation?
Rather strange!
I have tried it out but it do not work.
I am afraid there is not one!!
 

Op 23-7-2018 Om 03:04 schreef Cristóbal:

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

You are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
In addition, that is the problem.
Cheers
Paul otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 

 


Re: OT Skype Commands was OTT Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Gene
 

If people reply to the message they are responding to, and leave the quoted message, or the relevant part below there message, quoting or summarizing the message doesn't need to be done to any extent, in my opinion.  But what really annoys me is people who don't leave the message they are quoting below there's, and do no summary of what they are responding to such as, in your message, you said that X.  Then go on with their comments.  What do they expect?  That people who receive hundreds of messages a day are going to photographically remember every message and immediately know, "oh, that was a message where John said, whatever John said.  A little common sense and thought would work wonders.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] OT Skype Commands was OTT Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

This message has had a defective subject line for four iterations. How many more iterations of it must we suffer?

The subject of this message has nothing to do with the message body.

What, pray tell, do Skype Commands have to do with NVDA, the stated topic of this list?

Posters need to follow the list rule about quoting just enough to maintain continuity of discussion and ideally summing up all prior messages in a sentence or two. Concisely summing up is highly prized in business, academia as well as society generally.

1,301 bytes of redundant list trailer lines truncated by myself.

Honest, the list management program will automatically add a brand new set of trailer lines when the message is posted. Some people, especially using cellular data, pay for the text they receive, including redundant quotes and 1,301 bytes of list trailer lines. Few people can afford Unlimited Cellular Data, assuming their carrier even offers this choice.

Brian

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Yes. I was not at first since it was not listed in the shortcut table, but indeed, you can answer an incoming call with this command. You have to be in the Skype window for any of the commands to work though. Inconvenient to say the least.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Are you really sure, the hotkey to answer a call is similar with the key to start an audio call?
 
Cheers
Paul otter

Op 21-7-2018 Om 19:23 schreef Cristóbal:

Answering is control plus shift plus P.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Yes, most of the things are possible.
However, how can I answer an incoming call, alt pgup des not work and how can I activate the hotkeys for skype?
For example, in a list I see, ctrl e, sometimes it works but sometimes not then, the connection keeps open.
However, in the list I see ctrl e is stop connection.
I am curious!
Cheers
Paul otter
 

Op 21-7-2018 Om 05:45 schreef Supanut Leepaisomboon:

When you open Skype 8, NVDA treats it just like a normal web page. Therefore, if you can navigate the web using NVDA, then you can navigate around the interface of the new Skype 8 as well.

 


Re: Introduction, and a question

Antony Stone
 

The only files you can corrupt by unplugging a USB device without safely
unmounting it first are files on that USB device.

Any files on the main computer which are in use at the time (even if they're in
use by a program running from the USB device) can't be affected, because the
hard disk in the main computer is still connected and its file system is still
intact,and I hope that when the main computer gets shut down, it's not just by
unplugging the power cable :)


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 15:38:43, James Bentley wrote:

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers.
And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here. If files do get corrupted, will
it be just on my thumb drive? I sure do not want to mess up a computer
that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B
--
I bought a book about anti-gravity. The reviews say you can't put it down.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,

I would like to use NVDA portible on a thumb drive on public computers. And, friends computers.

So, I better double check some thing here. If files do get corrupted, will it be just on my thumb drive? I sure do not want to mess up a computer that doesn't even belong to me.

Thanks for your thoughts,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like
an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected badly when I
plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure
if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing
files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that
stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this,
by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines
with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as
useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow
accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and
sometimes this is not very much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Kerryn Gunness
 

control q will quit skype 8  generally
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype 8 for desktop

Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?


On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:
you're right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
and that's the problem.
cheers
paul otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:
hi all
below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop
 
 
kerryn



Re: here is my little bit of experiment

sardar shankar
 

sorry! I didn't know that it'll be a big problem.

On 7/23/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I would like to point out, as this is your first post here, that if the
Eloquence you mention here is not the legal one, you cannot advertise this
here as we have legal issues.
Obviously if you remove this and make it clear that this has been done,
then fine.
For the record if it is that illegal add on it has also got reliability
ramifications on nvda as well.

Just saying.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "sardar shankar" <shankars.5060@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] here is my little bit of experiment


plz know me your opinions suggestions are wellcomed do keep in mind
that this is my first post regarding NVDA and i'm new to this
blogging!
http://sardartechsollutions4vi.blogspot.com/2018/07/here-is-fully-functional-portable-nvda.html






Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208)

 

 He posted on the thread a few days ago.See joseph's message below, guys.


On 7/22/2018 5:30 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

For benefit of @feerrenrut and others who have recently boarded this train, a short summary of what's been happening for the past five years:

In earliest versions of NVDA (say, 0.6, 2009.1 and others), one can "install" Python modules to serve as plugins in folders inside user config directory. These were looked up when NVDA starts, and depending on where the module was found, it could add support for an app or two, or add global features. This was changed in 2012 when add-ons were introduced, at which point everything having to do with extenidng NVDA via external modules became part of add-ons.

Back in the early days of add-ons community (which I'm serving as some sort of a press secretary at the moment), users needing to update add-ons would visit community add-ons website and download updated releases. In some cases, authors such as myself provided direct links to new add-on releases. At the time of creation of this issue (2013), it became apparent to the add-ons people that people were not updating their add-ons unless told to do so, and a way to let NVDA check for, download, and apply add-on updates became desirable.

Currently the server that hosts community add-ons website uses a PHP file to keep a record of ad-dons and their versionss, controlled from a Bitbucket repository. This exposed us to several flaws, including someone accidentally deleting the repo, not being flexible in adding new add-on releases from the website itself and what not. After several rounds of discussions, people involved in this conversation agreed that a database would be much better to not only store add-on information, but also to open up more possibilities including updating add-ons.

As it stands, add-on update client is ready to go (by the way, restrictions on portable copies has been lifted thanks to unified NVDA update facility introduced in 2018.1 as part of postponing updates) provided that the exchange format is standardized. The biggest hurdles as of July 2018 are:

  1. Designing the exchange format: JSON will be used to encapsulate all sorts of data about add-ons.
  2. Server infrastructure: the add-ons server should be ready to host a database for storing add-on information (an SQL database is a most likely scenario).
  3. Resources: not only finding a server to test this on, but also asking folks to help out.
  4. Communication: not only Core people must be aware of what's up, add-ons community, and in extension, the entire NVDA community should be made aware of what's up. The biggest hurdle in communication being talking to authors of add-ons not hosted on community add-ons website at the moment.

As for priority level: P3 at the moment not only because of higher priority work that's being done, but also because this feature will require some outstanding pull requests to be integrated into NVDA, namely checkable list box.

Hope this helps. Thanks.




Re: Introduction, and a question

Gerardo Corripio
 

Firstly welcome to the list! I'm glad you're enjoying NVDA. As hor your using NVDA via a drive, you could always install it to your computer by going to Tools, and installing your portable NVDA to your PC. Good luck!

Gera
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El 22/07/2018, a la(s) 10:32 a. m., James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...> escribió:

OK, I like the idea of having 2 dedicated thumb drives in case one is damaged.
 
The warning from Windows saying that files may be corrupted if I continue with removing the thumb drive makes me a bit nervous.  I may stick with powering down until I learn more.  And, I will wait several minutes to give Windows more time to finish writing files.
 
Thanks for your suggestions,
 
James B
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
I wouldn't waste time powering down.  Even if you power down, according to what I've read, information may not be written to the drive properly before the computer stops.  If this is correct, powering down may damage information on a drive just as improper removal may.  To be safe, you might want to just use a dedicated thumb drive for NVDA, with nothing else on it, and to have another dedicated drive with you in case the first one is damaged and you want to use NVDA again when out. 
 
I consider that if the following is adhered to, the chance for corruption is minimal, or nonexistent. 
 
A file remains in use after you unload NVDA.  You may be able to use a third party utility to stop the file, but I don't think it's necessary.  As far as I know, while NVDA is being used, very little, if any,  information would be written to the thumb drive except when you do something like save changed settings. 
 
By default, NVDA saves settings on exit.  So, if you have changed settings and then shut down NVDA, just to be safe, I would say to wait a minute or two before removing the drive.  If you don't change any settings, I doubt it matters if you don't wait.. 
 
I don't have the technical knowledge of NVDA to kno if I am write that very little or no information is written, except when saving settings, but that is my guess.  I see no reason why it would need to nbe.  NVDA is placed in memory and runs from memory when you run it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
 
And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.
 
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
 
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
 
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
 
Gene, thanks,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Re: Introduction, and a question

Brian K. Lingard
 

James, Felix, Brian's mail list & James were discussing NVDA and problems with external media showing files still in use when wishing to safely remove them.

Shaun had comments about bad experiences with Outlook; corrupted .PST file lost much mail etc. Gave a synopsis of various editions of Windows & Skype.

I do not think people distrust the Skype team; they provided good accessibility to Skype at least up to Skype Classic.
Yes, providing feedback to MS about what works and what does not work in Skype with Screenreader makes a lot of sense. Certainly, MS has had some legendary dud editions of Windows. Vista was about the worst. Skype accessibility is changing. Possibly for the worse, not sure.

Shaun, not sure, if your commentary regarding Skype belong here or on the Skype English list.
The message train would benefit from use of grammar & spelling checkers prior to posting as well as trimming almost 1 k bytes of list trailer lines.
Brian


Re: OT Observations on skype 8 for desktop

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Paul & List:

 

Paul in a previous post asked if I was bored as well as quoted my observations on a train of messages, I questioned why they were posted here instead of Skype English, as they had nothing to do with NVDA.

 

No, not bored at all; just observant.

The remarks regarding grammar & spell checking are based upon my ledger experience of running my Outlook 2013 checkers on the train of messages. 1,301 bytes of trailer lines is excessive.

Idea! If Outlook is your mail client, try turning on grammar & spell checking to see if they catch any errors. The lack of capitalization and spelling errors on most lists is phenomenal. Much of it can be eliminated by turning on the built-in checkers.

This can really improve the experience of participating in mailing lists.

Summing up previous messages concisely is an excellent skill to hone.

Unbelievably, even lists for English Lit majors in college also have these problems.

Brian

 


Re: Introduction, and a question

 

Problem, is the same with the bad user profile in win7.

If a drive is marked as dirty, the recomended action is to scan it.

If its still marked as dirty there is a complicated step to say no to this.

Its like a mangled user profile, yes there is a complex registry fix for it, but the recomended actions are a full reformat or making a new one and shifting things over which may as well be a reformat.

There are for both no reasons for them to happen, they just do.

Its a pitty that no one actually cares enough to design something to fix some errors tell what is screwed instead its a blanket thing.

Its why I quit outlook ages back.

Pst file got corrupted, lost all data, the net screwed up, needed to reformat to fix windows.

Used eudora, now thunderbird, not using office, office version to old, not buying another licence, not going back!

On 7/23/2018 9:56 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected  badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very  much good.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?

Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.

James B








.


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

 

To be honest skype could have been one of my big ifs in life, a needed tool but its not right now.

When I need it I will use it.

Or rather I will use what it has become but only when necessary.

I will instruct all contacts for my jobs to either call me or I will call them at my expense if I must.

Everything else will be done via email.

Eventually maybe sooner than later my plan will to switch to whats app on a smart device, maybe I run skype again maybe I don't.

The issue some of us have with microsoft as a whole they do something completely marvelous then screw it up so bad that its not worth it at all.

So dos, good, windows 3x ok.

win 95-98-2k-xp good but xpsp1 sucked and win98se driver support was bad.

Vista was crap as was win me.

Windows 7 is good.

win 8x all versions was bad.

win10 is fine could be better but still.

Skype follows much the same.

skype 1x good.

skype 2x good.

3x bad 4x ok 5x ok 6x better

7x up to the latest, while some add boxes and the like fine.

8 preview shockingly crap!!!

8 and uwp, probably good but who's trusting may as well be crap.

The same is with narator.

Even if it was the only screen reader it would still be and always would be completely crap in my eyes so to speak because of the disaster in xp!

Narator is crap and not a real screen reader.

Its crap and always will be crap.

I don't trust everything microsoft do because of experiences I have had before and other users will feel the same.

I know they are changing, but they have done enough bad things that other users including me sometimes feel a little fritened maybe threatened, skype classic was one of the best voip solutions out there for a while, suddenly its being turned up side down.

The logic for it is sound but the rest is well unknown.

On 7/23/2018 9:50 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing patience with it I suspect.

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat


Hi!
With the exception of some intermediary stages, Skype's accessibility
doesn't seem to be degrading, just changing. Even on iOS they're putting a
lot of care into it, making it more Voiceover-friendly than some of Apple's
own apps I could name. For now I'm sticking with it and can only recommend
others do the same and provide feedback to Microsoft if something goes
wrong.
Best,
Felix

Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018 um
05:32 Uhr:

Sadly I use skype for this. I use zoom for my business meetings but
those won’t help  you . I would  just stick to skype. It works and
microsoft have improved it over all..

Take care and sorry to be the bringer of bad news.

On 21 Jul 2018, at 20:18, Bill Dengler wrote:

Hello,
This might not be the right list for this sort of thing, but I figured
it’d be worth a shot.
With Skype’s accessibility degrading on Windows and virtually
disappearing on the Mac after recent updates, I’m looking for
alternatives.
I’m looking for a service (or collection of services used together)
for realtime voice and text chat. The services must have accessible,
native (i.e. not a web view) apps on Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. I
am willing to consider an app with a web view if accessibility is
excellent. Incoming text chat messages must be automatically read
aloud for JAWS users. The following features are nice to have, in
rough order of most to least important, but are not required:
1. Automatic reading of incoming text chat messages for NVDA,
VoiceOver users.
2. End-to-end encryption.
3. Use of the Opus codec (or something similar) allowing for high, yet
stable audio quality depending on network conditions.
4. Conference/group chat support.
5. Based on open standards (or has a public API), so if the app breaks
we can find/write another.

A few options I thought of:
faceTime/iMessage: doesn’t work for Windows/Android/non-Apple users.
Whatsapp/Signal/Slack: desktop apps are web based
Discord: desktop app is web based, reports of inaccessibility on
mobile
Telegram: accessibility on mobile is hit and miss
Google Duo/Alo: no desktop apps at all
Running my own XMPP/SIP server: no XMPP clients that I know of
autoread for JAWS, I am responsible for running my own servers (not in
itself a bad thing but makes it harder to communicate with those not
connected to my server), difficult to use for nontechnical users.
Twiter direct messages: will not be realtime after streaming API is
shut down, no solution for voice chat.

Any ideas on other services I can investigate?

Thanks in advance,
Bill








Re: here is my little bit of experiment

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I would like to point out, as this is your first post here, that if the Eloquence you mention here is not the legal one, you cannot advertise this here as we have legal issues.
Obviously if you remove this and make it clear that this has been done, then fine.
For the record if it is that illegal add on it has also got reliability ramifications on nvda as well.

Just saying.
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To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] here is my little bit of experiment


plz know me your opinions suggestions are wellcomed do keep in mind
that this is my first post regarding NVDA and i'm new to this
blogging! http://sardartechsollutions4vi.blogspot.com/2018/07/here-is-fully-functional-portable-nvda.html


Re: Elequence or something as good for NVDA

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Look through the add ons and try the speech player in Espeak. Its an unfinished project but some say its still pretty good.
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA


I looked around a little. It looks like the Sappy 5 Version from Code Factory is around $70.00. So, I’ll just have to use the free speech that comes with NVDA for a while.

James B



From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

CodeFactory Eloquence versions are the onlys one legal...

They have one SAPI5 version and a NVDA addon version.

I prefere the SAPI5 version...

Rui Fontes


Às 19:48 de 22/07/2018, James Bentley escreveu:
Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best.
I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy.
James B
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*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring
to the Code Factory product.


On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote:
Hi all,
I have questions about diffferent voices for NVDA.
If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars
for each PC that I am using?
Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as
good?
Thanks,
James B


Re: Elequence or something as good for NVDA

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A lot of this seemed to me to be dependent on hardware and drivers. I have no knowledge of why this should be the case, but it does go to show that standards are seldom completely, um standard!
I agree things of general interest should be discussed here, of course one must moderate ones language a little for legal reasons though.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA


Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest. This is such a topic. There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices. The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it, has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason. All sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur. the other synthesizer included is fine, but not the Eloquence.

I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA


Write me privately at richwels@gmx.com and I'll talk more about this.




On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best.

I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy.

James B


From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to the Code Factory product.




On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi all,

I have questions about diffferent voices for NVDA.

If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for each PC that I am using?

Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as good?

Thanks,

James B


Re: skype 8 for desktop

P. Otter
 

Hey, dear fellow, are you bored perhaps?
Cheers
Paul Otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 10:49 schreef Brian K. Lingard:

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn



Re: Introduction, and a question

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Yes so do I and as I said earlier, it has effects on updates sometimes on installed copies, but I think its just a problem in7 as people who run 10 seem not to encounter this flat refusal to unlock a file.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Hi,

I have been trying to use safe disconnect in Windows 7. I always get the warning message even if I wait 10 minutes. So, for now, I will power down my system before removing the thumb drive until I learn more. Also, I made a backup copy of NVDA portable on a second thumb drive just for my convenience.

Thanks for all of your information.

Concerning money for helping NVDA, I have a question or 2.

I would like to donate a very small amount of money to the development of NVDA using either a debit/credit card or by phone on a monthly basis. I prefer not to use PayPal.
Does anyone have a phone number or a web site that does not use PayPal?

James B


-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

James, To power down a thumb drive, go to your systray (windows key +
b), press the notification chevron button, (spacebar), then arrow thru
till you find a button to safely remove/eject hardware. Right-click
that (applications key, shift-f10), & you'll get a context menu where
you can eject the drive safely.

In addition to the user guide & the excellent materials provided by
Joseph Lee, NV Access itself has some paid training materials that go
to support continued development of NVDA. It's available at
nvaccess.org, then click the 'shop' link. The materials are available
in either ebook or audio form, & I think are quite reasonably priced,
if it's at all in your budget.

On 7/22/18, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@att.net> wrote:
OK, I like the idea of having 2 dedicated thumb drives in case one is
damaged.

The warning from Windows saying that files may be corrupted if I continue
with removing the thumb drive makes me a bit nervous. I may stick with
powering down until I learn more. And, I will wait several minutes to give
Windows more time to finish writing files.

Thanks for your suggestions,

James B

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

I wouldn't waste time powering down. Even if you power down, according to
what I've read, information may not be written to the drive properly before
the computer stops. If this is correct, powering down may damage
information on a drive just as improper removal may. To be safe, you might
want to just use a dedicated thumb drive for NVDA, with nothing else on it,
and to have another dedicated drive with you in case the first one is
damaged and you want to use NVDA again when out.

I consider that if the following is adhered to, the chance for corruption is
minimal, or nonexistent.

A file remains in use after you unload NVDA. You may be able to use a third
party utility to stop the file, but I don't think it's necessary. As far as
I know, while NVDA is being used, very little, if any, information would be
written to the thumb drive except when you do something like save changed
settings.

By default, NVDA saves settings on exit. So, if you have changed settings
and then shut down NVDA, just to be safe, I would say to wait a minute or
two before removing the drive. If you don't change any settings, I doubt it
matters if you don't wait..

I don't have the technical knowledge of NVDA to kno if I am write that very
little or no information is written, except when saving settings, but that
is my guess. I see no reason why it would need to nbe. NVDA is placed in
memory and runs from memory when you run it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B






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Re: Introduction, and a question

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I think there is a file unlocker available for Windows 7, but I never had a lot of luck with it myself.
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


James: I am running Windows 10, so this may not be available in Windows 7. In the disconnect dialog, there should also be a continue button, that will force close all files and eject the media. You should not have to restart. Of course, you do want to shut down NVDA properly and start JAWS before you do any of this ejecting stuff.


By the way, I am also in East Texas and am curious as to where you are. I would have asked you privately, but I couldn't figure out how to get Thunderbird to relinquish your Email address.


On 7/22/2018 9:50 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is also fixed.
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr, is there a way around this?
Gene, thanks,
James B
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*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
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*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing up and down through a web page?
Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.
James B