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Re: Introduction, and a question

 


Hi James
To stop NVDA from saying something like arrow down, press NVDA+4 (Insert+4 or Jawskey+4).
One of the tutorial you can read is in the menu help of NVDA.
Other members would give you other resource
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

That's right.  Good thing you corrected it so soon.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

It is the NVDA key plus the number 4 key that toggles command keys on or off-- not the f4 key.
HTH,
LM

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 7/22/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B




Elequence or something as good for NVDA

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi all,
 
I have questions about diffferent  voices for NVDA.
 
If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for each PC that I am using?
 
Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as good?
 
Thanks,
 
James B
 
 


Re: Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

OK, this is a lot of help.
 
Thank you,
 
James B
 
 
 

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Hi there James,
Welcome to the list.
Glad you like the concept of NVDA. It has been in development for over a
decade now and so it's a pretty solid piece of kit and is regularly
maintained.
To turn command keys off, press NVDA+4. the NVDA key is either any of
the insert keys, or the capslock key.
The NVDA help is a solid source of information, but if you prefer it in
tutorial/walkthrough/demonstration form, I can recommend an excellent
tutorial, done by Joseph Lee, which covers most things you'll need to
know about using NVDA.
Visit http://josephsl.net/tutorials, and download the "Welcome to NVDA
2018" series.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 11:34 AM, James Bentley wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>



Re: Introduction, and a question

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
Gene, thanks,
James B
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


Re: Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,
 
Well, after reading Gene’s response, I realized that it can be done.  So, I experimented with the key describer turned on until I discovered the right toggle.
 
Its now working as expected.
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
It is the NVDA key plus the number 4 key that toggles command keys on or off-- not the f4 key.
HTH,
LM

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 7/22/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B



Re: Introduction, and a question

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi there James,
Welcome to the list.
Glad you like the concept of NVDA. It has been in development for over a decade now and so it's a pretty solid piece of kit and is regularly maintained.
To turn command keys off, press NVDA+4. the NVDA key is either any of the insert keys, or the capslock key.
The NVDA help is a solid source of information, but if you prefer it in tutorial/walkthrough/demonstration form, I can recommend an excellent tutorial, done by Joseph Lee, which covers most things you'll need to know about using NVDA.
Visit http://josephsl.net/tutorials, and download the "Welcome to NVDA 2018" series.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 11:34 AM, James Bentley wrote:
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


Re: Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
 
And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.
 
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
 
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
 
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
 
Gene, thanks,
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Re: Introduction, and a question

Laurie Mehta
 

It is the NVDA key plus the number 4 key that toggles command keys on or off-- not the f4 key.
HTH,
LM

--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 7/22/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Introduction, and a question

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Mark <mark@...>
 

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www.tafn.org.uk

we use TeamTalk its very easy to use

for our members to communicate and have lots of  quiz’s

Mark.

 

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From: Bill Dengler
Sent: 22 July 2018 04:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

 

Hello,

This might not be the right list for this sort of thing, but I figured it’d be worth a shot.

With Skype’s accessibility degrading on Windows and virtually disappearing on the Mac after recent updates, I’m looking for alternatives.

I’m looking for a service (or collection of services used together) for realtime voice and text chat. The services must have accessible, native (i.e. not a web view) apps on Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. I am willing to consider an app with a web view if accessibility is excellent. Incoming text chat messages must be automatically read aloud for JAWS users. The following features are nice to have, in rough order of most to least important, but are not required:

1. Automatic reading of incoming text chat messages for NVDA, VoiceOver users.

2. End-to-end encryption.

3. Use of the Opus codec (or something similar) allowing for high, yet stable audio quality depending on network conditions.

4. Conference/group chat support.

5. Based on open standards (or has a public API), so if the app breaks we can find/write another.

 

A few options I thought of:

faceTime/iMessage: doesn’t work for Windows/Android/non-Apple users.

Whatsapp/Signal/Slack: desktop apps are web based

Discord: desktop app is web based, reports of inaccessibility on mobile

Telegram: accessibility on mobile is hit and miss

Google Duo/Alo: no desktop apps at all

Running my own XMPP/SIP server: no XMPP clients that I know of autoread for JAWS, I am responsible for running my own servers (not in itself a bad thing but makes it harder to communicate with those not connected to my server), difficult to use for nontechnical users.

Twiter direct messages: will not be realtime after streaming API is shut down, no solution for voice chat.

 

Any ideas on other services I can investigate?

 

Thanks in advance,

Bill

 

 


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Oriol Gómez <ogomez.s92@...>
 

Accessibility disappearing on the mac? Wtf you on about lol
Skype on the Mac as it stands right now, the Skype web app, works
better on the Mac than it does on Windows...
I dunno where you guys get your information.

On 7/22/18, dingpengyu <dingpengyu06@gmail.com> wrote:
http://bearware.dk




Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

P. Otter
 

are you realy sure, the hotkey to answer a call is similar with the key to start an audiocall?
 
cheers
paul otter

Op 21-7-2018 om 19:23 schreef Cristóbal:

Answering is control plus shift plus P.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

yes, most of the things are possible.
but how can I answer an incoming call, alt pgup don't work and how can i activate the hotkeys for skype?
for example, in a list i see, ctrl e, sometimes it works but some times not then the connection keeps open.
but in the list i see ctrl e is stop connection.
i'm curious!
cheers
paul otter
 

Op 21-7-2018 om 05:45 schreef Supanut Leepaisomboon:

When you open Skype 8, NVDA treats it just like a normal web page. So if you can navigate the web using NVDA, then you can navigate around the interface of the new Skype 8 as well.

 



Re: Accessible voice and text chat

 

http://bearware.dk


Accessible voice and text chat

Bill Dengler
 

Hello,
This might not be the right list for this sort of thing, but I figured it’d be worth a shot.
With Skype’s accessibility degrading on Windows and virtually disappearing on the Mac after recent updates, I’m looking for alternatives.
I’m looking for a service (or collection of services used together) for realtime voice and text chat. The services must have accessible, native (i.e. not a web view) apps on Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. I am willing to consider an app with a web view if accessibility is excellent. Incoming text chat messages must be automatically read aloud for JAWS users. The following features are nice to have, in rough order of most to least important, but are not required:
1. Automatic reading of incoming text chat messages for NVDA, VoiceOver users.
2. End-to-end encryption.
3. Use of the Opus codec (or something similar) allowing for high, yet stable audio quality depending on network conditions.
4. Conference/group chat support.
5. Based on open standards (or has a public API), so if the app breaks we can find/write another.

A few options I thought of:
faceTime/iMessage: doesn’t work for Windows/Android/non-Apple users.
Whatsapp/Signal/Slack: desktop apps are web based
Discord: desktop app is web based, reports of inaccessibility on mobile
Telegram: accessibility on mobile is hit and miss
Google Duo/Alo: no desktop apps at all
Running my own XMPP/SIP server: no XMPP clients that I know of autoread for JAWS, I am responsible for running my own servers (not in itself a bad thing but makes it harder to communicate with those not connected to my server), difficult to use for nontechnical users.
Twiter direct messages: will not be realtime after streaming API is shut down, no solution for voice chat.

Any ideas on other services I can investigate?

Thanks in advance,
Bill


Re: improvements for zoom

Sam Bushman
 

Amen, thank you all, I use this for work and it’s a true blessing. Thanks again, well done!

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 7:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] improvements for zoom

 

Mostly, alerts are now properly read when actions occur in a meeting. Take microphone on or off mute, screen sharing, chat messages, start or stop your video. I think you got the picture. It is nice that this works. I don't know how simple or complicated it would be to fix the edit fields so you can arrow around in them. Reading of alerts is fantastic!

 

 


 

On 7/21/2018 9:29 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:

What improvements are scheduled for zoom?
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 7:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] improvements for zoom
 
Will the improvements for Zoom make it into 2018.3? I hope they do? I can now use NVDA for one more thing I couldn't use it for previously, in a more perfect way.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: improvements for zoom

 

Mostly, alerts are now properly read when actions occur in a meeting. Take microphone on or off mute, screen sharing, chat messages, start or stop your video. I think you got the picture. It is nice that this works. I don't know how simple or complicated it would be to fix the edit fields so you can arrow around in them. Reading of alerts is fantastic!





On 7/21/2018 9:29 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
What improvements are scheduled for zoom?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 7:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] improvements for zoom

Will the improvements for Zoom make it into 2018.3? I hope they do? I can now use NVDA for one more thing I couldn't use it for previously, in a more perfect way.










Re: improvements for zoom

 

Hi,
In NVDA 2018.2.1 and earlier, NVDA could not announce various status notifications in this app. Now it will in NVDA 2018.3 (this was developed by someone other than NV Access).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] improvements for zoom

What improvements are scheduled for zoom?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 7:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] improvements for zoom

Will the improvements for Zoom make it into 2018.3? I hope they do? I can now use NVDA for one more thing I couldn't use it for previously, in a more perfect way.


Re: improvements for zoom

Sam Bushman
 

What improvements are scheduled for zoom?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 7:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] improvements for zoom

Will the improvements for Zoom make it into 2018.3? I hope they do? I can now use NVDA for one more thing I couldn't use it for previously, in a more perfect way.