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Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] Fw: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook

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Well I suggest then that he takes this up with Mick. I can only forward what I get.
It sounds to me though that the problem is that not everyone's system actually performs the same way. Maybe its to do with build versions of Outlook as well as nvda?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] Fw: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook


Hello again

To make things absolutely clear: I was referring to the status
indicators spoken when you arrow up and down a list of messages in MS
Outlook. Unread is currently the only one spoken, but in about May
Replied and Forwarded as well as

read receipts and associated drafts were also announced, at least in the
snapshot I mentioned in an earlier e-mail. In fact, a friend of mine has
rolled back to that snapshot because these announcements are important
to him in his work.


Kind regards


Christo




On 2018/09/04 01:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
see below from Mick.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Curran" <mick@nvaccess.org>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Fw: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading
message status in Outlook


Do they mean replied/forwarded, or unread?


My testing shows that unread is still fine. Replied/forwarded tried
to be supported several times but has always failed with various
languages and has never made it into an official version of NVDA.


Mick



On 31/08/2018 1:01 am, Brian's Mail list account BY via Nvda-devel
wrote:
Hi saw the message below and thought, as a new nvda is imminent
maybe somebody might like to find out what is going on here. I
cannot myself test it as do not have the versions needed.
I have posted that I do not think wx4 has anything to do with it,
more likely yet another outlook related quirk.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk"
<christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 10:44 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in
Outlook


Hello all


I have noticed that the NVDA snapshots of the past two months or so
no longer read message statuses in Outlook. This is true of Outlook
2013, Outlook 2016 and Outlook in Office 365. Could this be an
unpleasant side-effect of the migration to WXPython 4? Can we look
forward to this being fixed in the not too distant future. It
really was such a helpful feature when NVDA used to announce
message statuses.


Kind regards


Christo





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Re: NVDA and Skype Accessability

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I'm sure it happens at different dates for different people.
I also see that Microsoft are suggesting they are going to allow Skype classic to carry on working if you use that and indeed on other platforms actually removing new versions and putting back the old ones as there has beensuch an adverse reaction to the changes, paticularly in the interface.
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From: "Inam Uddin via Groups.Io" <charlsdarwin1969=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Accessability


Respected friend, I’m very sorry to let you know that there was no any kind of JAWS update came out on September second 2018.
The last JAWS update came out on August 21 2018.
Do you mean that one?
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


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Add my Skype ID:
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Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409


From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Accessability

I am aware that just yesterday a Jaws update came down with an update for
the new Skype for that screenreader, but Not sure what windows 7 does about
Skype as I've not been a fan of it for some time as every time microsoft
change it they break its accessibility. I'd expect more from them
considering the work they are putting into narrator on 10.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karmelo" <karm212@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 9:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Accessability


Hi all,

I am a new member of this list from Malta Europe. I have Windows 7 and had
to upgrade to the latest version of Skype 8.22. I would like to ask whether
there is an addon from NVDA which makes the ap accessible.

Thank you very much,
Charles


Charles Borg
Sliema, Malta
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Re: VLC media player

 

AAh, thanks rick.

I am from new zealand so pal is the format we use.

On 9/5/2018 1:15 PM, ely.r@comcast.net wrote:
Sean,
Below is a list of the differences between NTSC and Pal. If the disk was
purchased or created in the western hemisphere, it is most likely NTSC. The
short list below shows the differences in the two standards.

NTSC vs. PAL
• NTSC stands for National Television System Committee.
• PAL stands for Phase Alternation by Line.
• NTSC is used in North America, South America, USA, Japan, Taiwan,
Philippines, and South Korea,
• PAL is used in Australia, UK, Asia and various European countries such as
Sweden, Belgium,
• NTSC possess a manual system for the color correction.
• PAL possess the automatic system for color correction.
• NTSC possess higher delivery rate than PAL, i.e.,30 fps as 25 fps of PAL.
• PAL possess a higher aspect ratio of 720×576 than the 720×480 of NTSC.
• PAL system uses the latest technology as compared to NTSC.
• NTSC system can be decoded with a pair of NTSC decoders.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC media player

Well if its in a different it could be ntsc.

Don't ask me what pal or ntsc are, all I know is that pal is what all
western players run and ntsc is probably japanese or something its an older
format.

These days just about everything supports everything else.

Vlc may be able to play your ntsc disk for example.

Weather your dvd drive will is debatable.

I have never seen dvd drive firmware but if its recent then maybe you will
be in luck.

Failing that, if by chance you have something like an xbox1 or xbox 360 or
something with win10 for x box or a playstation with accessibility, there is
every chance you will be able to play those formats no trouble.



On 9/5/2018 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the DVD is in an unusual format, you probably didn't see any options
in the open with dialog because nothing on the system supports that file
type. You won't see open with options for an unregistered file type. In
such a case, you can try playing the file directly within a program but it
probably won't play. But you can try in case something went wrong and it can
play the file even if it isn't registered because of some error or
incompatibility. In other words, it may play the file anyway.
Since you have VLC player installed, you can try another player, but you
might as well use VLC Player for this DVD. Now that you have installed VLC
Player, if it can play that file type, you should see an open with menu and
VLC player as a choice, perhaps the only choice. If you don't, try playing
the file from within the player. You should see an open with option for a
registered file type, but just in case something didn't register properly or
there is some other problem preventing you seeing the option in the open
with menu, try playing the file from within the program.
Those who use the player can tell you how to do this if you need to know.
I have almost never used it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC media player


Don't assume there has to be a version for Windows 10. There probably is
a version that says it can be run in Windows 10 but most programs that will
run in Windows 7 will run in Windows 10.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] VLC media player


Hi, everyone,


I just looked at the site for VLC media player but it doesn't show a
version for windows 10. Is there something else I can use to watch this
movie? I just had my sighted nephew go on the computer with team viewer and
he said that the DVD is in a weird format. It's really too bad that I can't
watch the movie now.

Rosemarie











Re: Don't know what to do

Kwork
 

I thought of that after replying to Joseph. That should work too.

On 9/4/2018 7:55 PM, Gene wrote:
What I used to do is to just keep a copy of the file and put it in the new version. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

Hi,

What happens if a new build comes out and the file gets replaced? For this reason, I recommend switching to 2018.2.1 if you do not wish to hear error tones.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 6:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

We'll see how this works. I'm using a blank txt file renamed to error.wav. So far so good.

NVDA complained about me backing up from the Beta to an older version, so left it to try this instead.

On 9/4/2018 5:56 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

True. Didn’t such a wav file exists. I mean I understand why NV Access has to do that, but when you are just reading something simple as HTML content via email or on the web etc. It gets annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:54:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

You can substitute another wave file for that one if you wish.  Do you want to hear any notification of errors?  If not, you can use a silent wave file. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Don't know what to do

Gene
 

What I used to do is to just keep a copy of the file and put it in the new version. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

Hi,

What happens if a new build comes out and the file gets replaced? For this reason, I recommend switching to 2018.2.1 if you do not wish to hear error tones.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 6:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

We'll see how this works. I'm using a blank txt file renamed to error.wav. So far so good.

NVDA complained about me backing up from the Beta to an older version, so left it to try this instead.

On 9/4/2018 5:56 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

True. Didn’t such a wav file exists. I mean I understand why NV Access has to do that, but when you are just reading something simple as HTML content via email or on the web etc. It gets annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:54:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

You can substitute another wave file for that one if you wish.  Do you want to hear any notification of errors?  If not, you can use a silent wave file. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Don't know what to do

Kwork
 

Simply because I didn't want to restart my computer first before the NVDA downgrade as I was also doing other things. A temporary workaround I know, but workable for the sake of laziness. :) Now that I know I'm that bothered, certain sounds actually causing ear pain when mashed up next to ear ringing, I think I'll stay away from the beta builds next time.

Travis

On 9/4/2018 7:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

What happens if a new build comes out and the file gets replaced? For this reason, I recommend switching to 2018.2.1 if you do not wish to hear error tones.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 6:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

We'll see how this works. I'm using a blank txt file renamed to error.wav. So far so good.

NVDA complained about me backing up from the Beta to an older version, so left it to try this instead.

On 9/4/2018 5:56 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

True. Didn’t such a wav file exists. I mean I understand why NV Access has to do that, but when you are just reading something simple as HTML content via email or on the web etc. It gets annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:54:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

You can substitute another wave file for that one if you wish.  Do you want to hear any notification of errors?  If not, you can use a silent wave file. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

my laptop supports only 32bit version of windows.
thanks gene for your clarification.
yes, i wish to learn installing windows xp and become independent from
getting help from sighted assistance or computer services to install
windows for me.

On 9/5/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
But are you saying that you can do this using a Windows 7 PE environment?
If so, you appear to say that it is rather complicated and requires two hard
drives.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Isaac
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 6:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?


You can, you will need a 2nd hard drive though, and you will install the
files to it, and then put it in the computer your going to use it in, then
you will start the machine and it will go through all phases of setup until
the oobe where you will need narrator. There are a lot of differentials so
if I know the situation and the type of machine I could probably help you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?


I saw a message saying you can install XP using a Windows 7 environment.
I thought you probably couldn't do so but it appears I was wrong.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?


Perhaps someone else who knows more technically will say whether you can
install XP using a 32 bit Windows 7 environment. I really doubt it but
we'll see.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?


The one from Brian Smart has both the basic and the mega, the basic I
believe is 32 bit.

If you download the one from the “files” page that I am unable to access
from work, they have both 32 and 64 bit for 7 & 10.

Brian Smart’s version is running Eloquence, and the Files page runs
eSpeak.

There are partitioning tools, password tools, and more.

The one from Brian Smart includes the mega and the basic and some
installation software for the ISO images, maybe 3 or 4 GB there, and the
Files page has all versions individually available, and probably a bit over
a gig each. Those are set up with executable installers.

I opened the .EXE archive and copied out the ISO image, because I burn
them to USB and use a different tool for that.

Glenn



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?



I don't know anything about the tools. But do you have to be running the
environment to run the tools or can you run them on your machine without the
environment running? I have no idea what the tools are or if the person
will find them of use, but the question was whether the environment can be
used to install XP. How long does it take to download the environment with
a reasonable download speed and learn what is necessary to try running it?
I see no reason to believe this is a 32 bit environment since it is used to
install 64 bit Windows 7.



I have no objection to people learning about the tools. If you explain
something about them, some people may be interested and want to try them.
But I very much doubt the environment can be used as the person wishes. I
don't even think it will run at all.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:45 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?



Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get
on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to
it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?



But the person is already using XP. she wants to learn how to use the
environment to install XP.



People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment
will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit
environment. Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn
to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of
time and effort.



Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?



It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other
things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall
the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a
valid reason for using it.

Glenn



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?



It won't work. How can you install XP in a Win7 environment? Windows XP
is archaic. You can do what you can do with it. You will be able to do
increasingly less over time.



And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment
because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?



I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer
does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out
the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on
the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows
myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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with all they contain
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I would not do it.
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Re: Don't know what to do

 

Hi,

What happens if a new build comes out and the file gets replaced? For this reason, I recommend switching to 2018.2.1 if you do not wish to hear error tones.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 6:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

We'll see how this works. I'm using a blank txt file renamed to error.wav. So far so good.

NVDA complained about me backing up from the Beta to an older version, so left it to try this instead.

On 9/4/2018 5:56 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

True. Didn’t such a wav file exists. I mean I understand why NV Access has to do that, but when you are just reading something simple as HTML content via email or on the web etc. It gets annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:54:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

You can substitute another wave file for that one if you wish.  Do you want to hear any notification of errors?  If not, you can use a silent wave file. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

 

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Don't know what to do

Kwork
 

We'll see how this works. I'm using a blank txt file renamed to error.wav. So far so good.

NVDA complained about me backing up from the Beta to an older version, so left it to try this instead.

On 9/4/2018 5:56 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

True. Didn’t such a wav file exists. I mean I understand why NV Access has to do that, but when you are just reading something simple as HTML content via email or on the web etc. It gets annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:54:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do
 
You can substitute another wave file for that one if you wish.  Do you want to hear any notification of errors?  If not, you can use a silent wave file. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Don't know what to do

Kwork
 

Oh, never thought of that. Thank you. :)

On 9/4/2018 5:54 PM, Gene wrote:
You can substitute another wave file for that one if you wish.  Do you want to hear any notification of errors?  If not, you can use a silent wave file. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: VLC media player

ely.r@...
 

Sean,
Below is a list of the differences between NTSC and Pal. If the disk was
purchased or created in the western hemisphere, it is most likely NTSC. The
short list below shows the differences in the two standards.

NTSC vs. PAL
• NTSC stands for National Television System Committee.
• PAL stands for Phase Alternation by Line.
• NTSC is used in North America, South America, USA, Japan, Taiwan,
Philippines, and South Korea,
• PAL is used in Australia, UK, Asia and various European countries such as
Sweden, Belgium,
• NTSC possess a manual system for the color correction.
• PAL possess the automatic system for color correction.
• NTSC possess higher delivery rate than PAL, i.e.,30 fps as 25 fps of PAL.
• PAL possess a higher aspect ratio of 720×576 than the 720×480 of NTSC.
• PAL system uses the latest technology as compared to NTSC.
• NTSC system can be decoded with a pair of NTSC decoders.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC media player

Well if its in a different it could be ntsc.

Don't ask me what pal or ntsc are, all I know is that pal is what all
western players run and ntsc is probably japanese or something its an older
format.

These days just about everything supports everything else.

Vlc may be able to play your ntsc disk for example.

Weather your dvd drive will is debatable.

I have never seen dvd drive firmware but if its recent then maybe you will
be in luck.

Failing that, if by chance you have something like an xbox1 or xbox 360 or
something with win10 for x box or a playstation with accessibility, there is
every chance you will be able to play those formats no trouble.



On 9/5/2018 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the DVD is in an unusual format, you probably didn't see any options
in the open with dialog because nothing on the system supports that file
type. You won't see open with options for an unregistered file type. In
such a case, you can try playing the file directly within a program but it
probably won't play. But you can try in case something went wrong and it can
play the file even if it isn't registered because of some error or
incompatibility. In other words, it may play the file anyway.

Since you have VLC player installed, you can try another player, but you
might as well use VLC Player for this DVD. Now that you have installed VLC
Player, if it can play that file type, you should see an open with menu and
VLC player as a choice, perhaps the only choice. If you don't, try playing
the file from within the player. You should see an open with option for a
registered file type, but just in case something didn't register properly or
there is some other problem preventing you seeing the option in the open
with menu, try playing the file from within the program.

Those who use the player can tell you how to do this if you need to know.
I have almost never used it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC media player


Don't assume there has to be a version for Windows 10. There probably is
a version that says it can be run in Windows 10 but most programs that will
run in Windows 7 will run in Windows 10.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] VLC media player


Hi, everyone,



I just looked at the site for VLC media player but it doesn't show a
version for windows 10. Is there something else I can use to watch this
movie? I just had my sighted nephew go on the computer with team viewer and
he said that the DVD is in a weird format. It's really too bad that I can't
watch the movie now.



Rosemarie









Re: can't watch a DVD

 

Well if it is ntsc I'd try to get it in pal format.

If it is a different regon or says its paralel imported then you may have a problem.

Yes you can play them, no its not straight forward.

On 9/5/2018 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Sean,

My sister was the one who bought it for me for my birthday. I'll have to ask her about it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

Should also add that if your dvd came from something like the warehouse, unless you check it and especially if its cheaper than standard or in a bargain bin its most likely multiregion or a different format.

Anything nonstandard, basically you can forget playing it on anything.

Technically you can crack your computer's drive, but I wouldn't I don't want to screw one of those up.

Maybe if I get an external with my next laptop I may try to find a way to crack that drive for region unlock just to say I have it and it seems to be accepted anyway.



On 9/5/2018 11:00 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Would be worth it though. You could easily watch videos of all kinds
once you get the hang of VLC.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: September 4, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

It's not region locked that I know of. Now I'll have to tell my sister
that I'm very embarrassed. She was hoping I'd be able to enjoy the
documentary but I'll have to fess up and tell her the truth. I was
hoping I could watch the movie too but no go. I don't want to get a
third-party program just for that.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

Well if its region locked you will have to use vlc to handle it or
specially modified dvd players.

You should be able to play the thing with windows media player,
however I have brought dvd audio extracter and while that can't always
get the stuff off especially if its fully encripted it can crack most
dvds its
40 bucks though.



On 9/5/2018 9:26 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,



I know I have a CD DVD drive on this computer but I can't watch a
documentary my sister gave me for my birthday. Is there something I
might not be doing right? I don't want to have to tell my sister that
I can't watch the documentry. It's supposed to be a really good
documentary about the life of Janis Joplin.



Thanks for any help you can give in advance.



Rosemarie















.





got the movie to play

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I finally was able to get the movie to play with VLC media player. It'll take some time getting used to it but I think I'll be able to work with it.

 

Thank you all for your help.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Don't know what to do

Lino Morales
 

True. Didn’t such a wav file exists. I mean I understand why NV Access has to do that, but when you are just reading something simple as HTML content via email or on the web etc. It gets annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:54:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do
 
You can substitute another wave file for that one if you wish.  Do you want to hear any notification of errors?  If not, you can use a silent wave file. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Don't know what to do

Gene
 

You can substitute another wave file for that one if you wish.  Do you want to hear any notification of errors?  If not, you can use a silent wave file. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't know what to do

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene
 

But are you saying that you can do this using a Windows 7 PE environment?  If so, you appear to say that it is rather complicated and requires two hard drives.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Isaac
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

You can, you will need a 2nd hard drive though, and you will install the files to it, and then put it in the computer your going to use it in, then you will start the machine and it will go through all phases of setup until the oobe where you will need narrator.  There are a lot of differentials so if I know the situation and the type of machine I could probably help you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

I saw a message saying you can install XP using a Windows 7 environment.  I thought you probably couldn't do so but it appears I was wrong. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Perhaps someone else who knows more technically will say whether you can install XP using a 32 bit Windows 7 environment.  I really doubt it but we'll see.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

The one from Brian Smart has both the basic and the mega, the basic I believe is 32 bit.

If you download the one from the “files” page that I am unable to access from work, they have both 32 and 64 bit for 7 & 10.

Brian Smart’s version is running Eloquence, and the Files page runs eSpeak.

There are partitioning tools, password tools, and more.

The one from Brian Smart includes the mega and the basic and some installation software for the ISO images, maybe 3 or 4 GB there, and the Files page has all versions individually available, and probably a bit over a gig each.  Those are set up with executable installers.

I opened the .EXE archive and copied out the ISO image, because I burn them to USB and use a different tool for that.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I don't know anything about the tools.  But do you have to be running the environment to run the tools or can you run them on your machine without the environment running?  I have no idea what the tools are or if the person will find them of use, but the question was whether the environment can be used to install XP.  How long does it take to download the environment with a reasonable download speed and learn what is necessary to try running it?  I see no reason to believe this is a 32 bit environment since it is used to install 64 bit Windows 7. 

 

I have no objection to people learning about the tools.  If you explain something about them, some people may be interested and want to try them.  But I very much doubt the environment can be used as the person wishes.  I don't even think it will run at all.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 

 

People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Re: can't watch a DVD

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Sean,

My sister was the one who bought it for me for my birthday. I'll have to ask her about it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

Should also add that if your dvd came from something like the warehouse, unless you check it and especially if its cheaper than standard or in a bargain bin its most likely multiregion or a different format.

Anything nonstandard, basically you can forget playing it on anything.

Technically you can crack your computer's drive, but I wouldn't I don't want to screw one of those up.

Maybe if I get an external with my next laptop I may try to find a way to crack that drive for region unlock just to say I have it and it seems to be accepted anyway.



On 9/5/2018 11:00 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Would be worth it though. You could easily watch videos of all kinds
once you get the hang of VLC.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: September 4, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

It's not region locked that I know of. Now I'll have to tell my sister
that I'm very embarrassed. She was hoping I'd be able to enjoy the
documentary but I'll have to fess up and tell her the truth. I was
hoping I could watch the movie too but no go. I don't want to get a
third-party program just for that.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't watch a DVD

Well if its region locked you will have to use vlc to handle it or
specially modified dvd players.

You should be able to play the thing with windows media player,
however I have brought dvd audio extracter and while that can't always
get the stuff off especially if its fully encripted it can crack most
dvds its
40 bucks though.



On 9/5/2018 9:26 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,



I know I have a CD DVD drive on this computer but I can't watch a
documentary my sister gave me for my birthday. Is there something I
might not be doing right? I don't want to have to tell my sister that
I can't watch the documentry. It's supposed to be a really good
documentary about the life of Janis Joplin.



Thanks for any help you can give in advance.



Rosemarie
















.


Re: Don't know what to do

Kwork
 

I'm thinking about switching myself. That sound is annoying, and makes my tinnitus scream in agony. As I have heard it can't be turned off, I think it's back to non alpha/beta builds I go.

On 9/4/2018 5:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Don't know what to do

Lino Morales
 

Yeah yeah I know about my subject line, but anyway. I’m torn as to if I should continue to use alpha or betas of NVDA anymore. No.1 reason is the error piano sound. When I open certain emails that have HTML content such Paul Thurrot’s daily news email I get that dreaded piano cord when I just simply hit H to navigate by headings. Of course I could use Narrator temperarly to read through the email, but why should I? Of course if running stable builds of NVDA I don’t have this problem. Anyway just my thoughts. I might just stick with stable builds from here on out. Haven’t decided yet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: VLC media player

 

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 07:54 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
If you need a more compatible os, right now and if you don't need to use more than 4gb ram or have virtual machine support in your system, I'd be tempted to either virtually or full time use a 32 bit os.
Boy, we're side-looping now, but if there is anyone who needs to have XP running in a virtual box under Windows 10 it's definitely possible:

                       https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/download-windows-xp-for-free-and-legally-straight-from-microsoft-si/ 

I have no need for XP, but decided to follow those instructions just for the fun of it to see if it worked, and it did.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell