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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Andre
 

How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: HELP! Windows can't update

David Griffith
 

I saw this problem  on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes  setup file present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that  his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not  installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 


Re: HELP! Windows can't update

Sarah k Alawami
 

This is a known issue, but I'm not actully sure how to solve it. I know it was discussed on this list a few weeks or even days ago. I can't rememver now. I hope you get your problem  solved.

On Mar 17, 2018, at 10:10 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038




HELP! Windows can't update

ely.r@...
 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038


Re: Question About Windows 10 Weather App

John Isige
 

I keep asking this, because I keep not getting an answer. What are you
talking about? I've gone through two major updates, Anniversary and
Creators, and in each case, other than some things like file
associations being reset which is a little annoying yeah, all my stuff
is there, and Windows acts like Windows. I keep hearing that these
massive changes and reinventions are happening and its just playing hell
with the blind community, and I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing it. Do you
have any actual examples? Because you make it sound like Windows changes
into an entirely new operating system that you have to learn all over
again every three months or so, and that just ain't so.

On 3/17/2018 4:45, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I do find increasingly though, that people who use windows 10, are now
getting a bit fed up with Microsoft making their experience different
every few months. For the sighted, not more than a moan at the moment
due to the time it takes to reload windows, but for blind people there
seems to be a tendency, at least in home use to try to stop the thing
doing these massive updates. In the end of course they will find that
the version they are running is almost as bad as xp, as it will not
get patched.
I really do think that Microsoft really needs to have a supported
product that can be maintained without the constant re invention of
it. I think it obviously puts us at a disadvantage and annoys users
generally to keep on reinstalling new versions.
I know there is little we can do about the choices Microsoft have
made, but if this were possible it would also mean that nvda could
have its add ons stable for those users.

While I'm on a roll, exactly why are we going with this new version of
WX, and indeed why cannot the writers of an improved version make its
use transparent so it can be just plugged into old code and work?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App


Hi,
When I tried with Narrator, it won't read daily summary. I'm thinking
it is either a graphic or UI Automation does not expose this
information. Because NVDA will look at UIA elements, it is limited to
what UIA says (unless I write mitigations). As a result, fixing this
from NVDA side (via my add-on) won't work well.
Speaking of Windows 10 App Essentials and its development: unlike most
add-ons out there, Windows 10 App Essentials is one of two add-ons
that is governed by continuous delivery model (the other is
StationPlaylist Studio add-on). This means that, as long as Windows 10
exists and NVDA can run on it, Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will
be developed, with new features and bug fixes released anytime. Thus,
you can assume that this add-on is under constant development. Because
I do know that some people prefer not to be disturbed all the time
with new add-on releases, I limit stable releases to once or twice a
month, with development snapshots released at least once a week (there
were times when snapshots came out every day).
A few more things about add-on development:
* There are at least two active branches, sometimes more. The active
ones are stable and development branches. As of this moment there are
actually three public update branches: stable for those who want to
use tested code; development branch for those who'd like to try out
new things here and there; pilot builds (a special configuration of
development branch) meant to test really bleeding-edge code under
latest Windows 10 release and with NVDA next snapshots. Including
private labs, I have up to five branches (the fourth is to test latest
UIA interfaces, and the last one is to test what happens once I remove
support for Windows 10 Version 1703 from this add-on).
* A Windows 10 release is supported for a limited time. Once a feature
update is made available to everyone, I provide support for it for
about a year. For example, I began supporting Version 1703 (original
Creators Update) in March 2017, and I'm ending support for that
release in June 2018. Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update) support will
be provided until December 2018 and so on. This is done to emphasize
the fact that Windows 10 is a service, with new builds released twice
a year.
* Add-on content is in constant flux. This is the case when I write a
workaround for a feature introduced in a Windows Insider build, only
to discover later that my workaround doesn't work anymore or became
unnecessary (a classic example is emoji panel entry in Version 1709
and later). Working with an add-on that goes through constant change
is both fun and difficult; fun because I get to help someone somewhere
achieve better productivity under Windows 10; difficult because it
requires hunting deep inside apps to find out what's up. Perhaps
because of this reason, Windows 10 App Essentials is perhaps the most
powerful add-on you'll come across (second only to more recent ones
such as Remote Support and DictationBridge).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App

Hi Group,


Some sighted people have told me that in the Windows 10 Weather App,
under the history tab, you can get a break down of daily information.
Using the NVDA Windows 10 Essentials add on, I can only get the
monthly information. For example, if I go to the History tab and
select temperature, when I tab to the list of item, all I see is the
monthly information.  However, when I press insert + B, after hearing
a bunch of superfluous information, I hear the information for the
first day of what ever month I have chosen.  I assume that this means
that in fact, might sighted friends are correct.  If you can use a
mouse, you can scroll to the daily information for each month.


My question is: is this Windows 10 essentials add on a work in
progress?  If so, are there going to be near future attempts to give
us access to this daily information under the history tab?


Thanks for any help.


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"









Forcing NVDA 2018.1 to Treat a Poorly Classed Window the Right Way?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Is there a way to have NVDA 2018.1 read a poorly classed window as a known class?

Like a window that presents info in a list view layout, but NVDA default settings doesn't recognize it. NVDA reads the displayed information improperly.

Can I force it to read the window as a list view? Are there any configurations I can set on a per program basis?

If so, how do I go about doing this? Let's use the Windows Notepad application in your example.

Thanks.


Choosing a Laptop

 

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be working with code and developing things. I also have several disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if that seems better. I would also be happy with something running Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM. There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those on software development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: Question About Windows 10 Weather App

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I submitted a detailed report to Microsoft Feedback and included Joseph's technical e-mail as an attachment.  (hope Joseph doesn't mind).  Let's see if I get any response.

On 3/17/2018 1:14 AM, John Isige wrote:
You can give Microsoft feedback from within the weather app, you might try that, or calling the disability desk, if they take accessibility feedback. I see that each of the months are buttons but hitting space or enter on them doesn't seem to do anything, and object navigation doesn't seem to find anything either, though that could just be me missing something.


On 3/17/2018 0:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
When I tried with Narrator, it won't read daily summary. I'm thinking it is either a graphic or UI Automation does not expose this information. Because NVDA will look at UIA elements, it is limited to what UIA says (unless I write mitigations). As a result, fixing this from NVDA side (via my add-on) won't work well.
Speaking of Windows 10 App Essentials and its development: unlike most add-ons out there, Windows 10 App Essentials is one of two add-ons that is governed by continuous delivery model (the other is StationPlaylist Studio add-on). This means that, as long as Windows 10 exists and NVDA can run on it, Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will be developed, with new features and bug fixes released anytime. Thus, you can assume that this add-on is under constant development. Because I do know that some people prefer not to be disturbed all the time with new add-on releases, I limit stable releases to once or twice a month, with development snapshots released at least once a week (there were times when snapshots came out every day).
A few more things about add-on development:
* There are at least two active branches, sometimes more. The active ones are stable and development branches. As of this moment there are actually three public update branches: stable for those who want to use tested code; development branch for those who'd like to try out new things here and there; pilot builds (a special configuration of development branch) meant to test really bleeding-edge code under latest Windows 10 release and with NVDA next snapshots. Including private labs, I have up to five branches (the fourth is to test latest UIA interfaces, and the last one is to test what happens once I remove support for Windows 10 Version 1703 from this add-on).
* A Windows 10 release is supported for a limited time. Once a feature update is made available to everyone, I provide support for it for about a year. For example, I began supporting Version 1703 (original Creators Update) in March 2017, and I'm ending support for that release in June 2018. Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update) support will be provided until December 2018 and so on. This is done to emphasize the fact that Windows 10 is a service, with new builds released twice a year.
* Add-on content is in constant flux. This is the case when I write a workaround for a feature introduced in a Windows Insider build, only to discover later that my workaround doesn't work anymore or became unnecessary (a classic example is emoji panel entry in Version 1709 and later). Working with an add-on that goes through constant change is both fun and difficult; fun because I get to help someone somewhere achieve better productivity under Windows 10; difficult because it requires hunting deep inside apps to find out what's up. Perhaps because of this reason, Windows 10 App Essentials is perhaps the most powerful add-on you'll come across (second only to more recent ones such as Remote Support and DictationBridge).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App

Hi Group,


Some sighted people have told me that in the Windows 10 Weather App, under the history tab, you can get a break down of daily information. Using the NVDA Windows 10 Essentials add on, I can only get the monthly information.  For example, if I go to the History tab and select temperature, when I tab to the list of item, all I see is the monthly information.  However, when I press insert + B, after hearing a bunch of superfluous information, I hear the information for the first day of what ever month I have chosen.  I assume that this means that in fact, might sighted friends are correct.  If you can use a mouse, you can scroll to the daily information for each month.


My question is: is this Windows 10 essentials add on a work in progress?  If so, are there going to be near future attempts to give us access to this daily information under the history tab?


Thanks for any help.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"








--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Question About Windows 10 Weather App

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
You might try using the Virtual Review add-on. I use it it in some of the windows settings dialogs as it captures text not normally read out when accessing with NVDA, so you might get some information in the weather app.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 17 March 2018 05:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App

Hi,
When I tried with Narrator, it won't read daily summary. I'm thinking it is either a graphic or UI Automation does not expose this information. Because NVDA will look at UIA elements, it is limited to what UIA says (unless I write mitigations). As a result, fixing this from NVDA side (via my add-on) won't work well.
Speaking of Windows 10 App Essentials and its development: unlike most add-ons out there, Windows 10 App Essentials is one of two add-ons that is governed by continuous delivery model (the other is StationPlaylist Studio add-on). This means that, as long as Windows 10 exists and NVDA can run on it, Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will be developed, with new features and bug fixes released anytime. Thus, you can assume that this add-on is under constant development. Because I do know that some people prefer not to be disturbed all the time with new add-on releases, I limit stable releases to once or twice a month, with development snapshots released at least once a week (there were times when snapshots came out every day).
A few more things about add-on development:
* There are at least two active branches, sometimes more. The active ones are stable and development branches. As of this moment there are actually three public update branches: stable for those who want to use tested code; development branch for those who'd like to try out new things here and there; pilot builds (a special configuration of development branch) meant to test really bleeding-edge code under latest Windows 10 release and with NVDA next snapshots. Including private labs, I have up to five branches (the fourth is to test latest UIA interfaces, and the last one is to test what happens once I remove support for Windows 10 Version 1703 from this add-on).
* A Windows 10 release is supported for a limited time. Once a feature update is made available to everyone, I provide support for it for about a year. For example, I began supporting Version 1703 (original Creators Update) in March 2017, and I'm ending support for that release in June 2018. Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update) support will be provided until December 2018 and so on. This is done to emphasize the fact that Windows 10 is a service, with new builds released twice a year.
* Add-on content is in constant flux. This is the case when I write a workaround for a feature introduced in a Windows Insider build, only to discover later that my workaround doesn't work anymore or became unnecessary (a classic example is emoji panel entry in Version 1709 and later). Working with an add-on that goes through constant change is both fun and difficult; fun because I get to help someone somewhere achieve better productivity under Windows 10; difficult because it requires hunting deep inside apps to find out what's up. Perhaps because of this reason, Windows 10 App Essentials is perhaps the most powerful add-on you'll come across (second only to more recent ones such as Remote Support and DictationBridge).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App

Hi Group,


Some sighted people have told me that in the Windows 10 Weather App, under the history tab, you can get a break down of daily information. Using the NVDA Windows 10 Essentials add on, I can only get the monthly information. For example, if I go to the History tab and select temperature, when I tab to the list of item, all I see is the monthly information. However, when I press insert + B, after hearing a bunch of superfluous information, I hear the information for the first day of what ever month I have chosen. I assume that this means that in fact, might sighted friends are correct. If you can use a mouse, you can scroll to the daily information for each month.


My question is: is this Windows 10 essentials add on a work in progress? If so, are there going to be near future attempts to give us access to this daily information under the history tab?


Thanks for any help.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Question About Windows 10 Weather App

 

I have no issue with the windows as a service moddle,

However, an update every 3-6 months?

The everything changing every 3-6 months, I can see how it would work for businesses, but for me as an admin it means that I need to take the systems down, upgrade, run and hope it works then fixing what is broken.

I prefur it over say waiting for os z and then buying and updating to it I guess, at the same time I'd like a more stable os, without everything being invented all the time.

Either that or simply including smaller updates instead of major os updates if its newer modules sure I don't mind.

But it is what it is now and heck we get the latest for nothing and the latest disk images for free which to be honest is a good thing.

On 17/03/2018 10:45 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I do find increasingly though, that people who use windows 10, are now getting a bit fed up with Microsoft making their experience different every few months. For the sighted, not more than a moan at the moment due to the time it takes to reload windows, but for blind people there seems to be a tendency, at least in home use to try to stop the thing doing these massive updates. In the end of course they will find that the version they are running is almost as bad as xp, as it will not get patched.
I really do think that Microsoft really needs to have a supported product that can be maintained without the constant re invention of it. I think it obviously puts us at a disadvantage and annoys users generally to keep on reinstalling new versions.
I know there is little we can do about the choices Microsoft have made, but if this were possible it would also mean that nvda could have its add ons stable for those users.

While I'm on a roll, exactly why are we going with this new version of WX, and indeed why cannot the writers of an improved version make its use transparent so it can be just plugged into old code and work?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App


Hi,
When I tried with Narrator, it won't read daily summary. I'm thinking it is either a graphic or UI Automation does not expose this information. Because NVDA will look at UIA elements, it is limited to what UIA says (unless I write mitigations). As a result, fixing this from NVDA side (via my add-on) won't work well.
Speaking of Windows 10 App Essentials and its development: unlike most add-ons out there, Windows 10 App Essentials is one of two add-ons that is governed by continuous delivery model (the other is StationPlaylist Studio add-on). This means that, as long as Windows 10 exists and NVDA can run on it, Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will be developed, with new features and bug fixes released anytime. Thus, you can assume that this add-on is under constant development. Because I do know that some people prefer not to be disturbed all the time with new add-on releases, I limit stable releases to once or twice a month, with development snapshots released at least once a week (there were times when snapshots came out every day).
A few more things about add-on development:
* There are at least two active branches, sometimes more. The active ones are stable and development branches. As of this moment there are actually three public update branches: stable for those who want to use tested code; development branch for those who'd like to try out new things here and there; pilot builds (a special configuration of development branch) meant to test really bleeding-edge code under latest Windows 10 release and with NVDA next snapshots. Including private labs, I have up to five branches (the fourth is to test latest UIA interfaces, and the last one is to test what happens once I remove support for Windows 10 Version 1703 from this add-on).
* A Windows 10 release is supported for a limited time. Once a feature update is made available to everyone, I provide support for it for about a year. For example, I began supporting Version 1703 (original Creators Update) in March 2017, and I'm ending support for that release in June 2018. Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update) support will be provided until December 2018 and so on. This is done to emphasize the fact that Windows 10 is a service, with new builds released twice a year.
* Add-on content is in constant flux. This is the case when I write a workaround for a feature introduced in a Windows Insider build, only to discover later that my workaround doesn't work anymore or became unnecessary (a classic example is emoji panel entry in Version 1709 and later). Working with an add-on that goes through constant change is both fun and difficult; fun because I get to help someone somewhere achieve better productivity under Windows 10; difficult because it requires hunting deep inside apps to find out what's up. Perhaps because of this reason, Windows 10 App Essentials is perhaps the most powerful add-on you'll come across (second only to more recent ones such as Remote Support and DictationBridge).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App

Hi Group,


Some sighted people have told me that in the Windows 10 Weather App, under the history tab, you can get a break down of daily information. Using the NVDA Windows 10 Essentials add on, I can only get the monthly information. For example, if I go to the History tab and select temperature, when I tab to the list of item, all I see is the monthly information.  However, when I press insert + B, after hearing a bunch of superfluous information, I hear the information for the first day of what ever month I have chosen.  I assume that this means that in fact, might sighted friends are correct.  If you can use a mouse, you can scroll to the daily information for each month.


My question is: is this Windows 10 essentials add on a work in progress?  If so, are there going to be near future attempts to give us access to this daily information under the history tab?


Thanks for any help.


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Re: waterfox

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Re: Question About Windows 10 Weather App

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I do find increasingly though, that people who use windows 10, are now getting a bit fed up with Microsoft making their experience different every few months. For the sighted, not more than a moan at the moment due to the time it takes to reload windows, but for blind people there seems to be a tendency, at least in home use to try to stop the thing doing these massive updates. In the end of course they will find that the version they are running is almost as bad as xp, as it will not get patched.
I really do think that Microsoft really needs to have a supported product that can be maintained without the constant re invention of it. I think it obviously puts us at a disadvantage and annoys users generally to keep on reinstalling new versions.
I know there is little we can do about the choices Microsoft have made, but if this were possible it would also mean that nvda could have its add ons stable for those users.

While I'm on a roll, exactly why are we going with this new version of WX, and indeed why cannot the writers of an improved version make its use transparent so it can be just plugged into old code and work?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App


Hi,
When I tried with Narrator, it won't read daily summary. I'm thinking it is either a graphic or UI Automation does not expose this information. Because NVDA will look at UIA elements, it is limited to what UIA says (unless I write mitigations). As a result, fixing this from NVDA side (via my add-on) won't work well.
Speaking of Windows 10 App Essentials and its development: unlike most add-ons out there, Windows 10 App Essentials is one of two add-ons that is governed by continuous delivery model (the other is StationPlaylist Studio add-on). This means that, as long as Windows 10 exists and NVDA can run on it, Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will be developed, with new features and bug fixes released anytime. Thus, you can assume that this add-on is under constant development. Because I do know that some people prefer not to be disturbed all the time with new add-on releases, I limit stable releases to once or twice a month, with development snapshots released at least once a week (there were times when snapshots came out every day).
A few more things about add-on development:
* There are at least two active branches, sometimes more. The active ones are stable and development branches. As of this moment there are actually three public update branches: stable for those who want to use tested code; development branch for those who'd like to try out new things here and there; pilot builds (a special configuration of development branch) meant to test really bleeding-edge code under latest Windows 10 release and with NVDA next snapshots. Including private labs, I have up to five branches (the fourth is to test latest UIA interfaces, and the last one is to test what happens once I remove support for Windows 10 Version 1703 from this add-on).
* A Windows 10 release is supported for a limited time. Once a feature update is made available to everyone, I provide support for it for about a year. For example, I began supporting Version 1703 (original Creators Update) in March 2017, and I'm ending support for that release in June 2018. Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update) support will be provided until December 2018 and so on. This is done to emphasize the fact that Windows 10 is a service, with new builds released twice a year.
* Add-on content is in constant flux. This is the case when I write a workaround for a feature introduced in a Windows Insider build, only to discover later that my workaround doesn't work anymore or became unnecessary (a classic example is emoji panel entry in Version 1709 and later). Working with an add-on that goes through constant change is both fun and difficult; fun because I get to help someone somewhere achieve better productivity under Windows 10; difficult because it requires hunting deep inside apps to find out what's up. Perhaps because of this reason, Windows 10 App Essentials is perhaps the most powerful add-on you'll come across (second only to more recent ones such as Remote Support and DictationBridge).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question About Windows 10 Weather App

Hi Group,


Some sighted people have told me that in the Windows 10 Weather App, under the history tab, you can get a break down of daily information. Using the NVDA Windows 10 Essentials add on, I can only get the monthly information. For example, if I go to the History tab and select temperature, when I tab to the list of item, all I see is the monthly information. However, when I press insert + B, after hearing a bunch of superfluous information, I hear the information for the first day of what ever month I have chosen. I assume that this means that in fact, might sighted friends are correct. If you can use a mouse, you can scroll to the daily information for each month.


My question is: is this Windows 10 essentials add on a work in progress? If so, are there going to be near future attempts to give us access to this daily information under the history tab?


Thanks for any help.


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Re: NVDA log error

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What happens if you disable advanced touch gestures?
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:14 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA log error


This is the last few lines of the NVDA log file after starting NVDA 2018-1 on my Win 10 64 bit laptop.
ERROR - baseObject.ScriptableObject.bindGestures (17:10:52.335):
Error binding script touch_hoverUp in <globalPlugins.enhancedTouchGestures.GlobalPlugin object at 0x06E951D0>
INFO - core.main (17:10:52.338):
NVDA initialized




Re: location of NVDA log files

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%temp%
type it into the run box.
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] location of NVDA log files


what is the path for the log files for NVDA on a Win 10 system?
Thanks



Re: waterfox

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I'm not sure where you message is in this post. Most of us top post and or shave the quotes when they get long like here as trying to find the text which is new is really hard otherwise.
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox


On 3/16/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
www.waterfoxproject.org/



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Hermann-Josef Kurzen
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox

Hi!

Where can I get Waterfox?


Greetings - Hermann



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Gesendet: Freitag, 16. März 2018 um 19:51 Uhr
Von: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] waterfox

Yes I have been using it as my default browser ever since Firefox
started being difficult I particularly like the inbuilt reader function
which strips links and ads out - control alt and r.
There are only a couple of issues.
For me in some edit boxes I get a very verbose feedback with the whole
string being announced every time I type a character. This tends to be
some google edit boxes but not all of them for some reason.
The other main issue is that for some reason some sites like Amazon
insists on occasionally interpreting Waterfox as a mobile device. This
restricts access to buying Kindle books and sometimes one click ordering.
Again this is not consistent. In these circumstances I simply copy the url
from Waterfox to chrome to complete the transaction if I am having
difficulties in Waterfox.
David Griffith

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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 16 March 2018 18:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] waterfox

Hi, everyone,

I just downloaded waterfox and checked out the weather forcast for my area
using the braille weather underground site and waterfox is amazingly fast!
I think I'll really like using it.

Rosemarie










Re: Firefox seems slower?

 

i have many important things in my life that changing technology is
less important for me.
i dont trust company that make afraid us in the name of security and
want to deprive and still our concerntration from our real goal in
life!
the reason that why God created us and what God except from us.

On 3/17/18, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
I agree with you but there is security, to.

and even if nothing happens unless you buy older tech there will be a
problem, staying behind will not solve things, you have to change you
may hate it but if and when you can you must do so thats the fact.




On 17/03/2018 6:36 p.m., zahra wrote:
i decided to keep my current versions of softwares and never update them!
everything now is great for me except office that i could not solve my
issues using office programs.
even 32bit softwares, can be installed on 64bit windows, and i never
install any 64bit program!
the world is changing, but noone has no right to force us to sacrifice
our interest and favors just because of the market and big companies.

On 3/17/18, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Well you may have no choice.

The world is changing, to be honest all I need is dos and keysoft that
changed with school

I had a core2 duo with the same specs you have, and while I could live
with older software, software never stays the same.

With ms pulling support for windows xp, win7 became the new norm and
while that can work with 2gb of ram its a joke.

Most newer systems are 64 bit, eventually 32 bit will go now you can
continue to use what you want but eventually sooner or later you won't
be able to continue to use this.

I share your pain, I am sharing the same with my smart phone.

I have always had a crappy symbian phone, because I see no reason to
move.

But with the upgrades to my appliences at home most of them smart ones
and with the push for extra apps and the like I am going to have no
choice but to get a smartphone of some description, and for the sake of
access and dealing with a single interface its probably going to be
apple.




On 17/03/2018 5:24 p.m., zahra wrote:
but more than 4gb ram is not important for me, i am not computer
engineer or graphic maker or gamer to need powerful system.
2gb ram is enough for me.
i dont need 64bit windows, 64bit hardware and 64bit softwares.

On 3/17/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Yes, it's waterfoxproject.org/



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

search for waterfox on google I believe its waterfoxproject.org.




On 17/03/2018 4:49 a.m., Casey wrote:
Hi what is the best site to get this waterfox from and does it act
just like firefox?

Like do you use the same command to open the address bar for entering
A web site address?




On 3/16/2018 4:59 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it uses the old firefox interface, in june this year firefox
will shut down all its addons and other things so it can push
everyone to use the web extention restricted framework.

Waterfox aparently doesn't do this, it doesn't have all the tracking
and junk, of importance to users, it is not loaded with any mozilla
system addons just language packs.

Its based on mozilla code and will move to its own codebase.

Depending on its accessibility after june etc and the porting of
things depends what I do after that.




On 15/03/2018 5:30 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web
browser sometime ago. Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am
converted. I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but
it
seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox. I
tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops. You can't
go far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try. Google for it.
If you are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with
something different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately. Anyway,
there is not much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's
interface, so the learning curve isn't steep. Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.




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Re: Phasing out of 7

 

john I couldn't have said it better myself

On 3/16/2018 10:27 PM, John Isige wrote:
Yeah look, I'm not saying these corporations are bastions of unmitigated
awesomeness and caring. I'm just saying, Microsoft seems to be really
making some nice improvements, for instance I think you'll be able to
run Narrator in safe mode soon under 10.


They are clearly trying to make Skype accessibility improvements, and
they're clearly asking for feedback about it. That doesn't mean any of
us will get exactly what we want or anything, but it does mean that one
thing you can do to try to improve Skype is to actually try using it and
giving them feedback about what you consider accessibility issues.


They're not going to satisfy everybody because different people like
different things, I know some people love numbered links on web pages
and I find them really annoying and they really get in the way of
accessibility for me. They drive me nuts. But that having been said,
sorry, Microsoft is at least trying to care. They're doing what people
want them to do, they're trying to get feedback from the actual
community of users.


So yeah, you have something you can do, right now, to potentially affect
the future accessibility of Skype. At least try it instead of
complaining that nobody loves you and everybody hates you and you'll
guess you'll go eat worms, or other crazy things like mentioning a bunch
of illegal stuff like ransomeware attacks against companies. Maybe it
will all turn out to be horrible, but Microsoft is trying to care about
us, not just by doing whatever for accessibility but actually asking for
feedback and all to make it better for us. How about at least giving
them a chance, huh?


On 3/17/2018 0:12, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well the big issue ofcause is market size, we are a small market.

And at any rate as times go on and such, in theory the number of
disabled will get less, and in that respect it may be better time
spent to focus on getting rid of the reasons people become disabled
where ever possible.

My condition for example, will no longer happen, for me I am the last
but no more will probably exist now and that at least is a good thing
sucks for me but even so.

As for not caring, the fact there are accessibility teams and the fact
ms/apple and not soni actually do a deal means to some extent they
care enough but not all the way.

Some of it seems in ms case to be team communication where not
everyone seems to keep everyone else in the loop but the rest I don't
know.




On 17/03/2018 5:27 p.m., John Isige wrote:
Yeah, I'm with you guys. I think we should do something but I have no
idea what we could do. If only there were some sort of interest on the
part of Microsoft in feedback from the blind and a way we could give it.
I mean sort of like this fantasy here.


https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/03/16/improving-skype-accessibility/


Huh! Actually, now that I come to look at it, that seems pretty real.
Weird! Must not be though because big corporations and I'm a poor blind
person and reasons. Somebody try it and see if it accesses a dimension
full of unicorns or summons Cthulhu or something. Because it's surely
not Microsoft asking for feedback on the accessibility of skype. They
were awfully clever, to make it look like they care about us and what we
think, but I'm not falling for it, giant corporation who couldn't care
less about our poor downtrodden minority population!

In case you don't appreciate sarcasm, there's a blog post where
Microsoft is talking about accessibility improvements for Skype and
asking for more feedback, so there's actually something everybody can
do. Here's the link again.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/03/16/improving-skype-accessibility/


On 3/16/2018 23:09, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm you know I am with you, but exactly what do you want to exactly
do?

There is no way we can legally fight with the big corperates, they do
what they want, and if you anger them you get it in the nuts.

If I was skilled enough I guess I and a few could just take a lot of
them down, make em pay, and take everything else with them which may
make us feel good in the short term but probably wouldn't achieve
anything much.

If something is not accessible, you ask your local blind org about it
and they get anoyed with the bitg corps and just put  out another non
binding resolution which no one cares about.

There is no way anyone government or not will try to inforce full
access, there probably isn't a way to really do that anyway.

I guess if we got enough of us together, and did a petition on
change.org it would work except all of those are non binding.

The only way we may get a reaction is if a bunch of users posted their
keys online with complaints and made it known, it would have to be
pritty large numbers thoughh, and maybe include a few cracks and
ransomware attacks in there to.

Even so, we would then be sued and in turn would have to burn all
their websites down and sue all of them at once in such a way it would
make the news for ages and show we were serious.

However, it would have to be continuous, I mean this is not the yung
fighting against the system days of my younger years, what you are
proposing is a sustained war for long enough at the monsters that
would force them to change assuming they don't want to talk, some of
them like ms are doing their bit but not fully.

And even if we get it right, to win it may not be possible, but if we
do it and win and really push, but thats a big if.

Now I am not that expert at that sort of thing but if you can put a
group together maybe I join it, as long as you can win.

If we loose and we will loose its jail, the end of our lives, and the
bolstering of our enemies.

I fear we are not strong enough, but you think you can have this so
called revolution see, maybe if you win I look you up later.




On 17/03/2018 6:33 a.m., brian wrote:
What we should not have to get use to or except is the increasing
lack of full accessability.  Just telling somone to just grow up and
not offering them any help or any real sulutions is just plain rude
and is very uncalled for. No matter how independent or well adjusted
you are there will come a time when you will not have
someaccessability and you will feel quite helpless and both blind and
sighted people will tell you just grow up and except change. How will
you feel if one day yoou wake up only to find that you have no more
accessability because you did not advocate for it. If we want to be
first members of our society like nfb says then we do need to have
full accessability it's true that we do live in a sighted world but
they do need to have more accessability because not everything can
always be adapted for us there is a point when work arrounds just
don't work or they are not very efficient. We should not just except
what ever crums of token accessability the sighted chose to give us
we do want to live in the real world and to be as independent as we
can be but it's getting harder to do this.  What will happen in 5 or
10 years from now will we be like the blind were back in the 1800's
having almost independence or real accessability what goes arrounds
comes arround.  I hope that when this does happen I hope that you are
happy because you will get what you deserve.  maybe you like always
being left behind and if you don't advocate for accessability you
won't have just saying that everything is fine I AM  not having any
problems that is a lie and you need to get your head out of the
sand.  This is not the future I want but it is the future we will all
have all because the blind community will just not advocate for
accessability if they do it's only a very small of them and they
don't keep the preasure on they just go away when they get told no.
I have been blind since birth and our future does not look very good
when it comes to full accessability.  Both acb and nfb are totally
usless in this area they are doing nothing about it.  Why do other
people with other disabilties have more accessability because they
advocate for it and they did not give up.  Think of the deaf
community and the wheelchair comminity they have so much more
accessability then the blind have.  I do admire them for this and it
should be a lesson for us.  We have changes forced up us on not for
the better and we are just soposted to just accept it and shut up
well not me and who is with me?  either you want to be a member of
the society that is sighted or you don't

Brian Sackrider


On 2/16/2018 12:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Michael,

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and
complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be
fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of
change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old
saying goes, shape up or ship out.

Rosemarie

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Michael Capelle
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or
not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think
whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

*From:*Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@...>

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country
song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10
32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind
people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a
life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must
move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we
feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread
is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or
shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of
Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up
folks!

Lino Morales

*From: *Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@...>
*Sent: *Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7,
which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been
using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on
it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC,
but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how
much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days
are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused
problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users
to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe:
both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out
there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype
UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the
rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want
to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer
works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA
developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with
NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8
without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an
add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable
version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above
questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation
where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one
who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my
links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or
improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported
over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be
honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I
wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team
of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding
accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that
Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they
will remove all of our concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as
that version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using
Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will
always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have
regarding the use of Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype
support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is
secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either
Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app
for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of
what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft
disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to
connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our
concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will
be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen
reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity
and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to
rescue Skype from dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@... <mailto:inamuddin09@...>
Inamuddin.ronaque@... <mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@...>
outlook:
inam092@... <mailto:inam092@...>
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@... <mailto:inamuddin2010@...>
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
<http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
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Call me on my cell numbers:
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+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family
can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of
skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal
app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc,
skype really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess
with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and
while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for
teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for
Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you
by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously
isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was
my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting
used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility
shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And
there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than
it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the
quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7
in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no
idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in
favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what



















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Re: Firefox seems slower?

 

I agree with you but there is security, to.

and even if nothing happens unless you buy older tech there will be a problem, staying behind will not solve things, you have to change you may hate it but if and when you can you must do so thats the fact.

On 17/03/2018 6:36 p.m., zahra wrote:
i decided to keep my current versions of softwares and never update them!
everything now is great for me except office that i could not solve my
issues using office programs.
even 32bit softwares, can be installed on 64bit windows, and i never
install any 64bit program!
the world is changing, but noone has no right to force us to sacrifice
our interest and favors just because of the market and big companies.

On 3/17/18, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Well you may have no choice.

The world is changing, to be honest all I need is dos and keysoft that
changed with school

I had a core2 duo with the same specs you have, and while I could live
with older software, software never stays the same.

With ms pulling support for windows xp, win7 became the new norm and
while that can work with 2gb of ram its a joke.

Most newer systems are 64 bit, eventually 32 bit will go now you can
continue to use what you want but eventually sooner or later you won't
be able to continue to use this.

I share your pain, I am sharing the same with my smart phone.

I have always had a crappy symbian phone, because I see no reason to move.

But with the upgrades to my appliences at home most of them smart ones
and with the push for extra apps and the like I am going to have no
choice but to get a smartphone of some description, and for the sake of
access and dealing with a single interface its probably going to be apple.




On 17/03/2018 5:24 p.m., zahra wrote:
but more than 4gb ram is not important for me, i am not computer
engineer or graphic maker or gamer to need powerful system.
2gb ram is enough for me.
i dont need 64bit windows, 64bit hardware and 64bit softwares.

On 3/17/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Yes, it's waterfoxproject.org/



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

search for waterfox on google I believe its waterfoxproject.org.




On 17/03/2018 4:49 a.m., Casey wrote:
Hi what is the best site to get this waterfox from and does it act
just like firefox?

Like do you use the same command to open the address bar for entering
A web site address?




On 3/16/2018 4:59 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it uses the old firefox interface, in june this year firefox
will shut down all its addons and other things so it can push
everyone to use the web extention restricted framework.

Waterfox aparently doesn't do this, it doesn't have all the tracking
and junk, of importance to users, it is not loaded with any mozilla
system addons just language packs.

Its based on mozilla code and will move to its own codebase.

Depending on its accessibility after june etc and the porting of
things depends what I do after that.




On 15/03/2018 5:30 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web
browser sometime ago. Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am
converted. I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it
seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox. I
tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops. You can't
go far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try. Google for it.
If you are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with
something different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately. Anyway,
there is not much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's
interface, so the learning curve isn't steep. Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.




.









Re: Phasing out of 7

 

Well neither am I I mean they care enough, but probably not all the way, skype is one thing but then a lot of people seem to use more than that, so its all competition I guess.

On 17/03/2018 6:27 p.m., John Isige wrote:
Yeah look, I'm not saying these corporations are bastions of unmitigated
awesomeness and caring. I'm just saying, Microsoft seems to be really
making some nice improvements, for instance I think you'll be able to
run Narrator in safe mode soon under 10.


They are clearly trying to make Skype accessibility improvements, and
they're clearly asking for feedback about it. That doesn't mean any of
us will get exactly what we want or anything, but it does mean that one
thing you can do to try to improve Skype is to actually try using it and
giving them feedback about what you consider accessibility issues.


They're not going to satisfy everybody because different people like
different things, I know some people love numbered links on web pages
and I find them really annoying and they really get in the way of
accessibility for me. They drive me nuts. But that having been said,
sorry, Microsoft is at least trying to care. They're doing what people
want them to do, they're trying to get feedback from the actual
community of users.


So yeah, you have something you can do, right now, to potentially affect
the future accessibility of Skype. At least try it instead of
complaining that nobody loves you and everybody hates you and you'll
guess you'll go eat worms, or other crazy things like mentioning a bunch
of illegal stuff like ransomeware attacks against companies. Maybe it
will all turn out to be horrible, but Microsoft is trying to care about
us, not just by doing whatever for accessibility but actually asking for
feedback and all to make it better for us. How about at least giving
them a chance, huh?


On 3/17/2018 0:12, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well the big issue ofcause is market size, we are a small market.

And at any rate as times go on and such, in theory the number of
disabled will get less, and in that respect it may be better time
spent to focus on getting rid of the reasons people become disabled
where ever possible.

My condition for example, will no longer happen, for me I am the last
but no more will probably exist now and that at least is a good thing
sucks for me but even so.

As for not caring, the fact there are accessibility teams and the fact
ms/apple and not soni actually do a deal means to some extent they
care enough but not all the way.

Some of it seems in ms case to be team communication where not
everyone seems to keep everyone else in the loop but the rest I don't
know.




On 17/03/2018 5:27 p.m., John Isige wrote:
Yeah, I'm with you guys. I think we should do something but I have no
idea what we could do. If only there were some sort of interest on the
part of Microsoft in feedback from the blind and a way we could give it.
I mean sort of like this fantasy here.


https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/03/16/improving-skype-accessibility/


Huh! Actually, now that I come to look at it, that seems pretty real.
Weird! Must not be though because big corporations and I'm a poor blind
person and reasons. Somebody try it and see if it accesses a dimension
full of unicorns or summons Cthulhu or something. Because it's surely
not Microsoft asking for feedback on the accessibility of skype. They
were awfully clever, to make it look like they care about us and what we
think, but I'm not falling for it, giant corporation who couldn't care
less about our poor downtrodden minority population!

In case you don't appreciate sarcasm, there's a blog post where
Microsoft is talking about accessibility improvements for Skype and
asking for more feedback, so there's actually something everybody can
do. Here's the link again.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/03/16/improving-skype-accessibility/


On 3/16/2018 23:09, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm you know I am with you, but exactly what do you want to exactly
do?

There is no way we can legally fight with the big corperates, they do
what they want, and if you anger them you get it in the nuts.

If I was skilled enough I guess I and a few could just take a lot of
them down, make em pay, and take everything else with them which may
make us feel good in the short term but probably wouldn't achieve
anything much.

If something is not accessible, you ask your local blind org about it
and they get anoyed with the bitg corps and just put  out another non
binding resolution which no one cares about.

There is no way anyone government or not will try to inforce full
access, there probably isn't a way to really do that anyway.

I guess if we got enough of us together, and did a petition on
change.org it would work except all of those are non binding.

The only way we may get a reaction is if a bunch of users posted their
keys online with complaints and made it known, it would have to be
pritty large numbers thoughh, and maybe include a few cracks and
ransomware attacks in there to.

Even so, we would then be sued and in turn would have to burn all
their websites down and sue all of them at once in such a way it would
make the news for ages and show we were serious.

However, it would have to be continuous, I mean this is not the yung
fighting against the system days of my younger years, what you are
proposing is a sustained war for long enough at the monsters that
would force them to change assuming they don't want to talk, some of
them like ms are doing their bit but not fully.

And even if we get it right, to win it may not be possible, but if we
do it and win and really push, but thats a big if.

Now I am not that expert at that sort of thing but if you can put a
group together maybe I join it, as long as you can win.

If we loose and we will loose its jail, the end of our lives, and the
bolstering of our enemies.

I fear we are not strong enough, but you think you can have this so
called revolution see, maybe if you win I look you up later.




On 17/03/2018 6:33 a.m., brian wrote:
What we should not have to get use to or except is the increasing
lack of full accessability.  Just telling somone to just grow up and
not offering them any help or any real sulutions is just plain rude
and is very uncalled for. No matter how independent or well adjusted
you are there will come a time when you will not have
someaccessability and you will feel quite helpless and both blind and
sighted people will tell you just grow up and except change. How will
you feel if one day yoou wake up only to find that you have no more
accessability because you did not advocate for it. If we want to be
first members of our society like nfb says then we do need to have
full accessability it's true that we do live in a sighted world but
they do need to have more accessability because not everything can
always be adapted for us there is a point when work arrounds just
don't work or they are not very efficient. We should not just except
what ever crums of token accessability the sighted chose to give us
we do want to live in the real world and to be as independent as we
can be but it's getting harder to do this.  What will happen in 5 or
10 years from now will we be like the blind were back in the 1800's
having almost independence or real accessability what goes arrounds
comes arround.  I hope that when this does happen I hope that you are
happy because you will get what you deserve.  maybe you like always
being left behind and if you don't advocate for accessability you
won't have just saying that everything is fine I AM  not having any
problems that is a lie and you need to get your head out of the
sand.  This is not the future I want but it is the future we will all
have all because the blind community will just not advocate for
accessability if they do it's only a very small of them and they
don't keep the preasure on they just go away when they get told no.
I have been blind since birth and our future does not look very good
when it comes to full accessability.  Both acb and nfb are totally
usless in this area they are doing nothing about it.  Why do other
people with other disabilties have more accessability because they
advocate for it and they did not give up.  Think of the deaf
community and the wheelchair comminity they have so much more
accessability then the blind have.  I do admire them for this and it
should be a lesson for us.  We have changes forced up us on not for
the better and we are just soposted to just accept it and shut up
well not me and who is with me?  either you want to be a member of
the society that is sighted or you don't

Brian Sackrider


On 2/16/2018 12:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Michael,

You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and
complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be
fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of
change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old
saying goes, shape up or ship out.

Rosemarie

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Michael Capelle
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or
not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think
whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.

*From:*Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@...>

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country
song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10
32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind
people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a
life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must
move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we
feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread
is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or
shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of
Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up
folks!

Lino Morales

*From: *Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@...>
*Sent: *Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7,
which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been
using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on
it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC,
but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how
much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days
are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused
problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users
to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe:
both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out
there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype
UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the
rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want
to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer
works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA
developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with
NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8
without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an
add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable
version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above
questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation
where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one
who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my
links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@... <mailto:inamuddin09@...>
Inamuddin.ronaque@... <mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@...>
outlook:
inam092@... <mailto:inam092@...>
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@... <mailto:inamuddin2010@...>
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
<http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
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Call me on my cell numbers:
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+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or
improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported
over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be
honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I
wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team
of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding
accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that
Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they
will remove all of our concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as
that version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using
Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will
always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have
regarding the use of Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype
support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is
secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either
Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app
for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of
what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft
disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to
connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our
concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will
be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen
reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity
and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to
rescue Skype from dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@... <mailto:inamuddin09@...>
Inamuddin.ronaque@... <mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@...>
outlook:
inam092@... <mailto:inam092@...>
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@... <mailto:inamuddin2010@...>
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
<http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
<http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1>
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family
can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of
skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal
app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc,
skype really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess
with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and
while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for
teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for
Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you
by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously
isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was
my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting
used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility
shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And
there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than
it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the
quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7
in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no
idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in
favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what




















Re: Firefox seems slower?

 

i decided to keep my current versions of softwares and never update them!
everything now is great for me except office that i could not solve my
issues using office programs.
even 32bit softwares, can be installed on 64bit windows, and i never
install any 64bit program!
the world is changing, but noone has no right to force us to sacrifice
our interest and favors just because of the market and big companies.

On 3/17/18, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Well you may have no choice.

The world is changing, to be honest all I need is dos and keysoft that
changed with school

I had a core2 duo with the same specs you have, and while I could live
with older software, software never stays the same.

With ms pulling support for windows xp, win7 became the new norm and
while that can work with 2gb of ram its a joke.

Most newer systems are 64 bit, eventually 32 bit will go now you can
continue to use what you want but eventually sooner or later you won't
be able to continue to use this.

I share your pain, I am sharing the same with my smart phone.

I have always had a crappy symbian phone, because I see no reason to move.

But with the upgrades to my appliences at home most of them smart ones
and with the push for extra apps and the like I am going to have no
choice but to get a smartphone of some description, and for the sake of
access and dealing with a single interface its probably going to be apple.




On 17/03/2018 5:24 p.m., zahra wrote:
but more than 4gb ram is not important for me, i am not computer
engineer or graphic maker or gamer to need powerful system.
2gb ram is enough for me.
i dont need 64bit windows, 64bit hardware and 64bit softwares.

On 3/17/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Yes, it's waterfoxproject.org/



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

search for waterfox on google I believe its waterfoxproject.org.




On 17/03/2018 4:49 a.m., Casey wrote:
Hi what is the best site to get this waterfox from and does it act
just like firefox?

Like do you use the same command to open the address bar for entering
A web site address?




On 3/16/2018 4:59 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it uses the old firefox interface, in june this year firefox
will shut down all its addons and other things so it can push
everyone to use the web extention restricted framework.

Waterfox aparently doesn't do this, it doesn't have all the tracking
and junk, of importance to users, it is not loaded with any mozilla
system addons just language packs.

Its based on mozilla code and will move to its own codebase.

Depending on its accessibility after june etc and the porting of
things depends what I do after that.




On 15/03/2018 5:30 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web
browser sometime ago. Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am
converted. I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it
seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox. I
tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops. You can't
go far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try. Google for it.
If you are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with
something different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately. Anyway,
there is not much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's
interface, so the learning curve isn't steep. Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.





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