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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi Steve, I guess the big question now is when will we be able to access Google TS for NVDA? It would be a brilliant synth!  

Warm regards, Claire Potter,   Check out my brand new website: www.pottersplace.me.uk

On 16 Jul 2018, at 22:23, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Actually, Eloquence is beaten now for best pronunciation, by a synth that is not on Windows.  Google TTS beats Eloquence hands down for pronunciation.  I can’t find anything in the dictionary that it pronounces wrong, but I can with Eloquence.  For example, Samhain, a Pagan festival is pronounced Sowan with a hard OW as in Cow, Eloquence completely mangles that and pronounces it Samhain as spelled.

 

Google One, Eloquence definitely Nil.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 July 2018 17:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

What you listen to makes a difference, headphones allow for faster listening with fewer words missed at the same fast speed.  But the most important thing is what synthesizer you use.  I don't know about all the newer synthesizers so I don't know if any are as good at fast speeds as Eloquence.  In general, they aren't.  Eloquence is, in my sampling of synthesizers, the easiest to understand at fast speeds, 350, 400 or more words per minute.  It pronounces more words correctly without correcting with a speech dictionary.  The voice sounds annoying when listening at a normal rate.  It sounds raspy.  This raspiness is significantly reduced when listening at a fast rate and I don't find it bothersome.  Perhaps at first, it might be and I might have found it so.  But I quickly got used to it.  At times, for pleasure reading of long sections of text, a book, a very long article, I use a different voice such as the Dectalk synthesizer. 

 

But how anyone can stand most of the newer synthesizers is beyond my comprehension.  They slur words when joining them, leave off certain sounds when joining words, pause at unnatural times, use unnatural inflections, and I don't recall if I've left anything out.  these newer synthesizers work by sampling a specific person saying thousands or more words.  Then the synthesizer joins these actually spoken words together into speech.  They can produce words out of phonemes of the sampled voice as well but much of their speech is playing prerecorded words in the right order.  Think of how you would speak if you had prerecorded words in your brain and you spoke by a system combining prerecorded words.  Inflections would be wrong, words wouldn't be joined properly, in short, you would sound like these newer kind of synthesizers. 

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed.  If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn


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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
 I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
 I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the  whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers
on/

Regards










Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled with it, but never adopted it for regular use:   Why is this such an issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible.  It will also be interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
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Re: Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 


Perhaps you mean illegally obtained software rather than illegal software?
 

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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

The problem with that position is that the current illegal copy wasn’t made legally in the first place. Sure, it uses Eloquence libraries, but Nuance isn’t selling Eloquence themselves. Yes, there is a legal copy, and sure maybe the use of the illegal version may hurt their sales, but those who use the illegal add-on aren’t pirating a legal add-on, they’re pirating the Eloquence DLL’s and libraries. Technical, yes, but it’s a distinction I feel must be taken into account. I’m not saying that it is right to use the add-on, even if Nuance doesn’t sell Eloquence to end-users, and barely makes anything with the licenses, which I think must be pretty strict owing to the DRM on PC and Android.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:03 PM, ely.r@... wrote:

Gene, ,

No, I fully understand the list position. The issue is theft.

However when it comes to software, it is easy to convince one’s self that it doesn’t really hurt anyone as they will never know. Sorry if this sounds pretentious , but I have been and friends have been on the opposite side of this issue, and it can make a real difference for a developer who puts in enormous time creating software and knowing that a percent of copies are simply Pirated.

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

The question isn't whether NVDA has adequate selection of synthesizers nor whether it is free.  The question is whether the list should be exposed to legal liability by the promotion of any kind of illegal software. 

If someone promoted illegal software to perform OCR, the same restriction would apply or to an illegal word processing program.

Gene

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From: ely.r@...

Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

Gene

Thanks for this post. I have been wondering over the last few days what the position of the list owner would be on supporting the illegal piracy of software. NVDA comes free to those who cannot afford the cost of a screen reader. NVDA has a more than adequate selection of synthesizers as part of its install. Our visual conditions, whatever they may be, do not include an exemption for theft.

Again thanks for your reminder,

Rick  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

I'm sending this as an administrative message along with sending it in the thread where this problem is currently occurring.  I have slightly expanded this message with another explanatory comment.

I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list.  This is not my policy.  It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists.  Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed. 

If someone wants to express a general opinion about when it is ethically acceptable to use illegal software, as I understand list policy, that is allowed.  Promoting or discussing specific programs is not. 

I support this list policy.  It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question.  As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy.  The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the the question.  It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability.  If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily.  I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message.  I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible.  But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.

Gene, Moderator




Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Steve Nutt
 

Actually, Eloquence is beaten now for best pronunciation, by a synth that is not on Windows.  Google TTS beats Eloquence hands down for pronunciation.  I can’t find anything in the dictionary that it pronounces wrong, but I can with Eloquence.  For example, Samhain, a Pagan festival is pronounced Sowan with a hard OW as in Cow, Eloquence completely mangles that and pronounces it Samhain as spelled.

 

Google One, Eloquence definitely Nil.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 July 2018 17:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

What you listen to makes a difference, headphones allow for faster listening with fewer words missed at the same fast speed.  But the most important thing is what synthesizer you use.  I don't know about all the newer synthesizers so I don't know if any are as good at fast speeds as Eloquence.  In general, they aren't.  Eloquence is, in my sampling of synthesizers, the easiest to understand at fast speeds, 350, 400 or more words per minute.  It pronounces more words correctly without correcting with a speech dictionary.  The voice sounds annoying when listening at a normal rate.  It sounds raspy.  This raspiness is significantly reduced when listening at a fast rate and I don't find it bothersome.  Perhaps at first, it might be and I might have found it so.  But I quickly got used to it.  At times, for pleasure reading of long sections of text, a book, a very long article, I use a different voice such as the Dectalk synthesizer. 

 

But how anyone can stand most of the newer synthesizers is beyond my comprehension.  They slur words when joining them, leave off certain sounds when joining words, pause at unnatural times, use unnatural inflections, and I don't recall if I've left anything out.  these newer synthesizers work by sampling a specific person saying thousands or more words.  Then the synthesizer joins these actually spoken words together into speech.  They can produce words out of phonemes of the sampled voice as well but much of their speech is playing prerecorded words in the right order.  Think of how you would speak if you had prerecorded words in your brain and you spoke by a system combining prerecorded words.  Inflections would be wrong, words wouldn't be joined properly, in short, you would sound like these newer kind of synthesizers. 

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed.  If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn


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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
 I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
 I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the  whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers
on/

Regards










Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

All my systems are for gaming mainly I mean windows games I have a lot.

But to be honest, that is a point, I mean skype is in linux, I havn't really bothered with it as such, but yeah that may end up being me to, I just have to much invested in linux to really say I can leave just like that.

On 7/17/2018 9:09 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I use Linux with Orca for a screenreader, using Voxin for the speech engine, it is Eloquence by another name.
When Windows 8 is no longer supported, I may go totally Linux.
I mainly use the Windows computer for eMail, on-line research, and on-line purchases, and listening to audio.
I like Linux for drive partitioning and data recovery and the like at this point, but maybe it will become my main OS in the future.
Linux has all these VOIP utilities as well.

Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 4:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

As for win10, win10 is what it is.

I'd like nothing better than to stay with it, but I can't stay with 7 for ever.

And ms is making it harder to even stay with 7 anyway, the fact is a lot of the ms account services, music, then skype well they are gone now.

I may try to learn the accessibility in the win10 universal, then again, I am seriously on the hunt for another voip solution, maybe a client for skype web or is there something completely sepperate.

I don't need skype right now its just a real pain is all.

I would learn the new skype 8, but I may as well try to learn skype universal on win10.




On 7/17/2018 7:59 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Personally, I am still using 7, and soon I will purchase a Windows 8 upgrade, and I will wait until the end of Windows 7’s life cycle.
Then I will do the same with 8.
I have tried 10, and don’t much like it.
But it is what it is.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.







Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Hmmm, can you download hangouts?

I have leard about it, as for skype, if they would just improve it then well.

Cooblindtech use hangouts for podcasting and its not to bad.

On 7/17/2018 8:37 AM, Elshara Silverheart wrote:
Google Hangouts works it's more choppy at times then Skype but much
better sounding and has propper echo cancelation. I've already
switched. RIP Pre Microbloat Skype.

On 7/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes you can transfer files. It is called i think send files and media. I
do’t need high quality sound to do my job. As long as I can understand my
students, I’m good.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
wrote:

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring
available.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great
and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction.
I just want to talk.



Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I
know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.



Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled
buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using
speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise
suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you
might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For
talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton
better if your internet isn't the greatest.



It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader
accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very
few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and
blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use
it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have
never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the
web.



Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.




On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.



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Windows 10



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua
Hendrickson<louvins@gmail.com> <mailto:louvins@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't
even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software.
I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype
7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program,
but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I
tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
<https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable>

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all
sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to
Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
<https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333>
7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1





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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

It isn’t the screen reader at all, it’s the synth.  Eloquence says it from Code Factory as well.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 16 July 2018 16:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

Jaws says that too.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

Hello all,

I'm curious whether NVDA is colour blind. I have noticed this with two emoticons now, both of them involving hearts.

This one,
️, is spoken as "heavy black heart" and this one, , as "black heart"

Having consulted sighted friends I have now described them as red heart in my NVDA default dictionary, but is this an NVDA glitch? I initially assumed it was a Facebook glitch because it was only there where I noticed the first one, but today I am reading a poetry book with one poem that is titled I
NY in both the PDF and the text file I coppied the text into.

When I move word by word or use read line or say all I hear what I have programmed into the dictionary, but if I go character by character then I hear the black heart version.

I do currently have Chris Leo's Emoticons addin enabled, but didn't when I first heard the heavy black heart emoticon. The addin has not changed anything about the description of heavy black heart and I suspect it wouldn't change anything about the black heart if I uninstalled the addin.

Most of the time I don't care enough to check with a sighted person whether the emoticon that is described does indeed resample what NVDA describes it as, but with things like a black heart, which to me implied love in a sad situation such as after a death, it can be rather unsettling to learn that the emoticon is not as described. It was exactly that situation where I discovered the incorrect description. One of my friends used waht NVDA described to me as a heavy black heart and, when I asked whether the black heart was an indication of sadness, she told me that it was in fact a red heart.

Giles
 


Re: Jeff's addon repository

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Sure, Eloquence is great, and I would happily use it with NVDA. But what do you mean about NVDA" "open sourcing" Eloquence? NVDA does not own the rights to Eloquence.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Elshara Silverheart
Sent: July 16, 2018 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

Eloquence is king for me. I never had any problem with any addons posted to Jeffs nvda list or grossgang for that matter. What do you think about NVDA open sourcing eloquence? I think NVDA should only use open sourced add ons. This way NVDA can never get into a legal dispute. Free and open source as a requirement.

On 7/16/18, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net> wrote:
I prefer one core voices.

On 7/16/2018 9:08 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I believe jeff's repository has add-ons for both.� I use the
software dektalk access 32 add-on myself which I download from
there.� I neither

know, nor care what it's licencing may be.� It works which is more
than

can be said for some of the paid commercial synthesizer add-ons for NVDA.

Enjoy,

On July 16, 2018 10:53:59 AM "Ervin, Glenn"
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
wrote:

I wonder if the dectalk one is the access32, a software dectalk.

Glenn

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2018 3:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that
are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.� The kind of
notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add
ons like the Dectalk Express add on.� That add on allows the
Dectalk Express to

work with NVDA.� You are told in the information for that Add On
that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.� The DecTalk Express
is an external synthesizer. So of course you need the synthesizer.

I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer
to work as well.� I assume the same warning is given because that
is an external synthesizer.

I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and
which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of
course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on
that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively
near future.� But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.
Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the
page, for those that work with external synthesizers.

Gene

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*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use
version of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that
its either Via Voice or a very old copy� used with Jaws
prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of
nvda in any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older
versions of all sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are
truly at the users own risk. we here cannot condone their use as we
have no idea where a lot of them come from.
�Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.� Eloquence can be purchased legally.�
There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5
speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased.� The add
on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a
lot of artifacts.
The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you
can try them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support
on illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is�
safe to download from there?

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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Google Hangouts works it's more choppy at times then Skype but much
better sounding and has propper echo cancelation. I've already
switched. RIP Pre Microbloat Skype.

On 7/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes you can transfer files. It is called i think send files and media. I
do’t need high quality sound to do my job. As long as I can understand my
students, I’m good.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
wrote:

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring
available.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great
and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction.
I just want to talk.



Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I
know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.



Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled
buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using
speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise
suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you
might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For
talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton
better if your internet isn't the greatest.



It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader
accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very
few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and
blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use
it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have
never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the
web.



Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.




On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.



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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't
even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software.
I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype
7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program,
but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I
tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
<https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable>

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all
sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to
Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
<https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333>
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Re: Jeff's addon repository

 

Eloquence is king for me. I never had any problem with any addons
posted to Jeffs nvda list or grossgang for that matter. What do you
think about NVDA open sourcing eloquence? I think NVDA should only use
open sourced add ons. This way NVDA can never get into a legal
dispute. Free and open source as a requirement.

On 7/16/18, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net> wrote:
I prefer one core voices.

On 7/16/2018 9:08 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I believe jeff's repository has add-ons for both.� I use the software
dektalk access 32 add-on myself which I download from there.� I neither

know, nor care what it's licencing may be.� It works which is more than

can be said for some of the paid commercial synthesizer add-ons for NVDA.

Enjoy,

On July 16, 2018 10:53:59 AM "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
wrote:

I wonder if the dectalk one is the access32, a software dectalk.

Glenn

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2018 3:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that
are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.� The kind of notice
you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like
the Dectalk Express add on.� That add on allows the Dectalk Express to

work with NVDA.� You are told in the information for that Add On that
you need the Dectalk Express to use it.� The DecTalk Express is an
external synthesizer. So of course you need the synthesizer.

I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer
to work as well.� I assume the same warning is given because that is
an external synthesizer.

I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and
which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of
course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on
that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively
near future.� But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.
Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page,
for those that work with external synthesizers.

Gene

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*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use
version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either
Via
Voice or a very old copy� used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of
nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users
own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
�Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.� Eloquence can be purchased legally.�
There
is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5
speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.� The add on, however,
has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.
The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can
try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is� safe
to
download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack







Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Well what I'd really like even if I had to pay wor it something I could take my skype google and other contacts with me.

On 7/17/2018 6:38 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
What about a Sip client and a free number from a place like
Callcentric? I usually prefer portable software but I am willing to
try a regular installer if something is truly accessible. I think I
found such a program once, but I don't remember its name. It wasn't
designed specifically for the blind, but it worked well with NVDA.

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Ha Ha,
I was just referencing that same Wikipedia page after I sent my last
message.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Apparently, it has been discontinued. But it works with XP, so I will have
to investigate it! Some other software was also mentioned here, including
Meeting Space, Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, Microsoft Office Live
Meeting, and SharedView. I don't have Office, but I can still research the
others. Thank you so much for mentioning this! If nothing else, NetMeeting
will be accessible!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_NetMeeting

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was
great software. I don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use
their software, especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the
interface there either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to
close the program, but at least it's better than the one that my
friend has on his laptop! I tried it and got a headache! Here is the
link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above, as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible
alternative to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/1633
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7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1





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Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

Hmmm, if you are running 7 and have no need to update right now I suggest you don't.

But if you do, everything is an app,  skype is an app which may or may not work, there are a lot of extra things.

Win10 has come a long way since 7, its faster, its got ribbons and I can't find all the menus I want, as an admin I have found it generally responsive though.

On 7/17/2018 6:43 AM, Rob DeZonia wrote:
Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.



Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

I must agree, for itself access wize win10 has come a long way, the ribbons well maybe thats it but the rest, I don't know, a lot is better now.

On 7/17/2018 9:06 AM, bob jutzi wrote:
I've been using Windows 10 since the release previews and like it.  I find it loads faster and love the new start screens.
The Start screen is organized by panes, Start Screen, All Apps, and Pinned Tyles, which you can tab to and use your up and down arrow to read with NVDA.

I may not have this 100% correct, but All Apps is the default when tapping the Windows key and works very similar to Windows 7's start menu including the search Box.

Pinned Tyles is where you'll find misc. icons such as the Live Weather tyle, and Start Screen is is where User Account, Settings, and Pictures are.

You can also do a Windows-I from anywhere to bring up Settings.

One nice Windows 10 bonus is the ability to completely reset Windows without a DVD.  I still have one in case in the rare event I want to do a reformat.  Also, I run Insider Previews and a long-needed feature for us blind folks introduced last year was the ability to do a CTRL-Windows-Enter from the boot DVD to load Narrator and have a fully talking installer.
Works very nice.


On 7/16/2018 4:34 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I use Windows 10 with both the most recent NVDA and a slightly older version of JAWS (v. 18) and for the most part I really like it. I find it quite customisable and while I had to do some tweaking, it generally behaves very nicely, except for a few unexpected updates and changes I made to the system being revoked during those updates.

I only used Windows 7 for a bit at my old work. I actually did make the change at home directly from Windows XP to Windows 10. It’s not really that daunting and you can use as little or as much of the OS functionality as you want. Personally I don’t bother with the so-called Universal apps. They just never seem as responsive or robust as normal desktop apps and generally they are designed with mobile users in mind, or so it seems.

I love the new file explorer. There’s so much you can do with it. Also, for people like me who still think the command line is the best and fastest way to get certain things done within the oS, there are a lot of neat tricks you can use. I’m not 100% sure what’s also available in Windows 7 since I did not spend a lot of time exploring 7 as, you know, I was supposed to be working, but in general I’m a lot more pleased with Windows 10 than I was with XP. It also comes with Windows PowerShell (although I think 7 does too?), which I’ve learned to use to do a few neat things, like generate lists of random files or make backups of my media from my drives.

It's for sure true that Windows 10 comes with a lot of “bells and whistles” which I know I will never, ever use. When I first got it I found it to be a little cluttered with nonsense. But after clearing most of that stuff away, I’m quite happy. I don’t know anyone who likes Windows 8 and the general consensus among both novice and experienced users is that it was somewhat a failure. Everyone I know stuck with Windows 7. Some migrated to Windows 10, but most chose not at all to install Windows 8. This goes for workplaces and home users. Now that Windows 10 is out and has been for quite a while, I would personally advise staying away from Windows 8, but it’s up to you. If anything though, Windows 10 brought back some of the functionality from 7 that was missing from 8, so you’ll honestly be happier just skipping it, in my opinion.

You’ll probably want to download and install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on for NVDA, if you make the upgrade.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Rob DeZonia
*Sent:* July 16, 2018 2:44 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.

Thanks for your help and your attention.




Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I actually agree.

Also if you are on a wireless network at home an extender should keep quality maxed out.

But it depends where you are to be honest.

I'd like to know what my isp uses, I have loaded the connection down with loads and loads of downloads, uploads, and everything and even with about 10 actions happening at once, the connection hardly buffers at all, true, it does struggle but so does my system, it would take a lot more to really crash it though.

On 7/17/2018 7:12 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

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*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
*To:* Nvda List
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

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*Sent:*Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov <mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great
software.  I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop!  I tried
it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Ervin, Glenn
 

I use Linux with Orca for a screenreader, using Voxin for the speech engine, it is Eloquence by another name.
When Windows 8 is no longer supported, I may go totally Linux.
I mainly use the Windows computer for eMail, on-line research, and on-line purchases, and listening to audio.
I like Linux for drive partitioning and data recovery and the like at this point, but maybe it will become my main OS in the future.
Linux has all these VOIP utilities as well.

Glenn

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As for win10, win10 is what it is.

I'd like nothing better than to stay with it, but I can't stay with 7 for ever.

And ms is making it harder to even stay with 7 anyway, the fact is a lot of the ms account services, music, then skype well they are gone now.

I may try to learn the accessibility in the win10 universal, then again, I am seriously on the hunt for another voip solution, maybe a client for skype web or is there something completely sepperate.

I don't need skype right now its just a real pain is all.

I would learn the new skype 8, but I may as well try to learn skype universal on win10.




On 7/17/2018 7:59 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Personally, I am still using 7, and soon I will purchase a Windows 8 upgrade, and I will wait until the end of Windows 7’s life cycle.
Then I will do the same with 8.
I have tried 10, and don’t much like it.
But it is what it is.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.




Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

What is zoom like for home use, is it windows mobile and other things.

Could I use it well enough in a client?

Does it have a pro package with credits like skype, could I tie a skype account to it?

I am now interested in another non microsoft pc solution which is not skype, if it can use skype accounts fine, google to, but with ms anouncement today from thurrot I can't exactly see me using their software any more.

On 7/17/2018 7:23 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection. Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com>
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Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com>
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The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

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I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov <mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great
software.  I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop!  I tried
it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

I've been using Windows 10 since the release previews and like it. I find it loads faster and love the new start screens.
The Start screen is organized by panes, Start Screen, All Apps, and Pinned Tyles, which you can tab to and use your up and down arrow to read with NVDA.

I may not have this 100% correct, but All Apps is the default when tapping the Windows key and works very similar to Windows 7's start menu including the search Box.

Pinned Tyles is where you'll find misc. icons such as the Live Weather tyle, and Start Screen is is where User Account, Settings, and Pictures are.

You can also do a Windows-I from anywhere to bring up Settings.

One nice Windows 10 bonus is the ability to completely reset Windows without a DVD. I still have one in case in the rare event I want to do a reformat. Also, I run Insider Previews and a long-needed feature for us blind folks introduced last year was the ability to do a CTRL-Windows-Enter from the boot DVD to load Narrator and have a fully talking installer.
Works very nice.

On 7/16/2018 4:34 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I use Windows 10 with both the most recent NVDA and a slightly older version of JAWS (v. 18) and for the most part I really like it. I find it quite customisable and while I had to do some tweaking, it generally behaves very nicely, except for a few unexpected updates and changes I made to the system being revoked during those updates.
I only used Windows 7 for a bit at my old work. I actually did make the change at home directly from Windows XP to Windows 10. It’s not really that daunting and you can use as little or as much of the OS functionality as you want. Personally I don’t bother with the so-called Universal apps. They just never seem as responsive or robust as normal desktop apps and generally they are designed with mobile users in mind, or so it seems.
I love the new file explorer. There’s so much you can do with it. Also, for people like me who still think the command line is the best and fastest way to get certain things done within the oS, there are a lot of neat tricks you can use. I’m not 100% sure what’s also available in Windows 7 since I did not spend a lot of time exploring 7 as, you know, I was supposed to be working, but in general I’m a lot more pleased with Windows 10 than I was with XP. It also comes with Windows PowerShell (although I think 7 does too?), which I’ve learned to use to do a few neat things, like generate lists of random files or make backups of my media from my drives.
It's for sure true that Windows 10 comes with a lot of “bells and whistles” which I know I will never, ever use. When I first got it I found it to be a little cluttered with nonsense. But after clearing most of that stuff away, I’m quite happy. I don’t know anyone who likes Windows 8 and the general consensus among both novice and experienced users is that it was somewhat a failure. Everyone I know stuck with Windows 7. Some migrated to Windows 10, but most chose not at all to install Windows 8. This goes for workplaces and home users. Now that Windows 10 is out and has been for quite a while, I would personally advise staying away from Windows 8, but it’s up to you. If anything though, Windows 10 brought back some of the functionality from 7 that was missing from 8, so you’ll honestly be happier just skipping it, in my opinion.
You’ll probably want to download and install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on for NVDA, if you make the upgrade.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Rob DeZonia
*Sent:* July 16, 2018 2:44 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess
Howdy list,
I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Well with the death of skype 7 on september 1 its clear ms wants us to shift.

Hopefully they listen to users about access, I don't hope much and I don't use skype enough to warrent actually trying at this point.

The only thing that stops me basically deleting and blocking all contacts is that I may want to come back.

On 7/17/2018 8:52 AM, John Isige wrote:
Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking about Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's kind of slow, but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet, though I did receive one the other day. If classic's going away, that's what I'll be using and I think that's the one feature I haven't gotten working yet.


On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
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Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to check.








Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

As for win10, win10 is what it is.

I'd like nothing better than to stay with it, but I can't stay with 7 for ever.

And ms is making it harder to even stay with 7 anyway, the fact is a lot of the ms account services, music, then skype well they are gone now.

I may try to learn the accessibility in the win10 universal, then again, I am seriously on the hunt for another voip solution, maybe a client for skype web or is there something completely sepperate.

I don't need skype right now its just a real pain is all.

I would learn the new skype 8, but I may as well try to learn skype universal on win10.

On 7/17/2018 7:59 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Personally, I am still using 7, and soon I will purchase a Windows 8 upgrade, and I will wait until the end of Windows 7’s life cycle.
Then I will do the same with 8.
I have tried 10, and don’t much like it.
But it is what it is.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.



Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

Well skype 7 is going on september 1.

And since I don't need it, I have pulled it out of my system, backups, etc.

In addition as they come up for servicing all my systems I have on the network will have skype removed from them to.

For those wanting skype on win10 then they will use that.

For me, because of the mixed accessibility bag skype is and even though I will loose a lot of contacts, its the end of the line at least on the pc, maybe I will use skype on my ios device, maybe whats app, who knows.

I really liked skype but if its going then I will have to live without it.

I havn't needed to use it for ages now, and now, I think its time I bailed completely.

On 7/17/2018 7:59 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Personally, I am still using 7, and soon I will purchase a Windows 8 upgrade, and I will wait until the end of Windows 7’s life cycle.
Then I will do the same with 8.
I have tried 10, and don’t much like it.
But it is what it is.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.