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Re: rude braille

Brian Tew
 

The only thing I am concerned about is the stream of incoming messages.
Profiles, chat history and other extraneous information can be reviewed at leisure, but a lively conversation needs to move faster than a depressed snail.
In linux I can pipe chat programs through the sed streaming editor and eliminate most unwanted nonsense.
If nvda braille had the same filtering capability as nvda sreech I would be a happy skyper.
using regular expressions I could make my braille skype output much better.
I could filter out the repetitious junk.


Re: rude braille

Brian Tew
 

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 06:55 AM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:
Hello,

Need a few more design considerations.

When we are talking about chat programs there are usually 3 components, functions, message history and message input.

I expect when you are typing input especially from the bralle keyboard you would want the bralle display to have your input.
It could also be beneficial to know how many messages are in the chat history and how many are unread. (perhaps a few status cells for this and also to indicate if viewing history or input. How would you format the status i

Generally converstions can get a bit verpose like saying emogee and giving full name / e-mail address along with time stampts. (often not cared about)


Also, since there are several chat systems out there it might make sense to create a generalized object that could handle what I describe above and then have app level functionality for Skype / AOLM / MS Teams / Skype for business, Slack.

Any other ideas on a generalized braille chat interface?

Jonathan


On 8/8/18, 2:52 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian Tew via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of briantew1951@...> wrote:

A big problem for me using skype in braille is that each message is not allowed to finish
if another message arrives. the speech is much more well-behaved--
each message is spoken completely before the next one begins. Is there a way to make braille
behave that way? Ideably I would like to control what I read instead of the incoming message
snatching the focus each time.
thanks for any suggestions.
nvda, skype 8.25, windows 10, 64bit desktop.

 On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 06:55 AM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:
Hello,

Need a few more design considerations.

When we are talking about chat programs there are usually 3 components, functions, message history and message input.

I expect when you are typing input especially from the bralle keyboard you would want the bralle display to have your input.
It could also be beneficial to know how many messages are in the chat history and how many are unread. (perhaps a few status cells for this and also to indicate if viewing history or input. How would you format the status i

Generally converstions can get a bit verpose like saying emogee and giving full name / e-mail address along with time stampts. (often not cared about)


Also, since there are several chat systems out there it might make sense to create a generalized object that could handle what I describe above and then have app level functionality for Skype / AOLM / MS Teams / Skype for business, Slack.

Any other ideas on a generalized braille chat interface?

Jonathan


On 8/8/18, 2:52 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian Tew via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of briantew1951@...> wrote:

A big problem for me using skype in braille is that each message is not allowed to finish
if another message arrives. the speech is much more well-behaved--
each message is spoken completely before the next one begins. Is there a way to make braille
behave that way? Ideably I would like to control what I read instead of the incoming message
snatching the focus each time.
thanks for any suggestions.
nvda, skype 8.25, windows 10, 64bit desktop.


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Scott,


One other thing I have noticed is that on  some sites, if you switch to edit or focus mode, you can activate some links that otherwise won't activate with the enter key, control + enter key and/or routing mouse to pointer and then left clicking.


One notable site used to be the Tune In site: http://tunein.com.  This was corrected 2 years ago, but in 2016 mid football season (US football) When you wanted to activate the listen link for a game, if you just pressed enter or used the other conventional methods described above, nothing would happen.  For laughs and giggles, I decided to try switching to focus mode or edit mode or whatever it is called with insert + space bar.  Then I used the tab key to highlight what was described as the football team followed by clickable as in Miami Dolphins clickable.  When I highlighted the link that way, and press enter, the link activated and the game played.


I had sent e-mail to the web developers concerning this issue and I can't say for sure it was my e-mails, but mid way through the football season, they redesigned the page so now the team names show up as standard links and the pressing of the enter key works as expected.



On 8/8/2018 4:20 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hi all.

I hope someone can help me here.

Once in a while, more and more lately it seems, I can not click with the enter key, or control enter, or the space bar and even with the num pad using numpad 0 enter.

So how do you click on a link in that case? 

Thank you

 

Scott

 

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how to stop google notification

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

I I think I figure out how to stop google notification from showing adds. Did the following. Hope it works.
  1. On your computer, open Chrome.
  2. At the top right, click More Settings.
  3. At the bottom, click Advanced.
  4. Under "Privacy and security," click Content settings.
  5. Click Notifications.



Holger Fiallo


Question about NVDA and Windows 10

Hans <lasthans@...>
 

Hi,

Was wondering if anyone else is having problems with NVDA running very sluggishly with FireFox on Windows 10.  I also have problems using Windows Live Mail now, as it says, Not Responding when I try to read a message.  I

M having to use Windows Mail for Win 10. 

I also have a problem when trying to open the typing window to search, or when typing the name of the program to start, which I did not have before.  I tap the windows key to bring up the start window.  Before I could tab to hear Pin Tiles List, but now I’m forced to navigate with the mouse to bring up anything in the window.  I posted about this yesterday but didn’t word it as good, so maybe someone can help me and can understand better. 

Fortunately I can still navigate the desk top and various folders in Windows Explorer as before.  Fire fox all but hangs when trying to open pages in the browser.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Hans                                                                     

                                                                                               

 

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crome and audible

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Notice that when I use google crome and have audible web open, I am getting adds from audible. Never had this issue with IE. Can I stop audible from doing so in crome? IE does not work well anymore.

Holger Fiallo


Re: notification adds

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Got it. I turn both off.
 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] notification adds
 

Yup. opt out of as much as you can. I cant’ recall the last time or if I’ve ever had to deal with one of these.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] notification adds

 

By the way, I also have turned OFF these two toggles in that same pane:

Let Windows track app launches to improve Start and search results

Show me suggested content in the Settings app
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Re: notification adds

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Where do I go to turn this off?
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] notification adds
 
By the way, I also have turned OFF these two toggles in that same pane:

Let Windows track app launches to improve Start and search results

Show me suggested content in the Settings app
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           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: notification adds

Cristóbal
 

Yup. opt out of as much as you can. I cant’ recall the last time or if I’ve ever had to deal with one of these.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] notification adds

 

By the way, I also have turned OFF these two toggles in that same pane:

Let Windows track app launches to improve Start and search results

Show me suggested content in the Settings app
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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: How to configure Switch Synth?

Larry Wang
 

Hi Diana,
Its documentation is quite straightforward.Switch to a slot.Configure synth settings. Press NVDA+Ctrl+Shift+V to save. 
You can also go to nvdacn.com for more Mandarin related contents.


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Diana Kwok <dkwok2017@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

I am new to NVDA. It looks like a great tool for my mum who is in her 70s and losing her sight. She is bilingual (English-Mandarin) and I have installed Switch Synth 1.02 (https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/switchSynth.en.html) together with NVDA on her pc.

 

Can anyone help with configuration instructions?

 

Thank you.

 

Diana Kwok.

 

 



Re: notification adds

 

By the way, I also have turned OFF these two toggles in that same pane:

Let Windows track app launches to improve Start and search results

Show me suggested content in the Settings app
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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: notification adds

 

I have no idea whether this will work, but I think I've had two ads ever since I started using Windows 10 in 2015.  The very first thing I did was to go through the Privacy Settings, pane by pane, to lock things down as much as one could then.  I don't use the personal digital assistant feature of Cortana, and that might have an effect, and I do not return web search results in Windows searches.

But the thing I'd try is in the General pane of Privacy settings, and it's the first toggle:  Let apps use advertising ID to make ads more interesting to you based on your app usage (turning this off will reset your ID).

Mine has been OFF since somewhere in the first week of the debut of Windows 10.

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Re: notification adds

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I've also noticed this over the past few weeks. Microsoft is posting a lot of adverts via push notification about different sales. Really want to turn this off completely for it is annoying!


Also using the latest build of Windows 10.


On 8/8/2018 7:38 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:
Hi, all
I am getting several notification adds them notification states setting and close. How do I make sure they are gone? Need to make sure this does not happen again. This is recent. Using W10.

Holger Fiallo


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

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Re: How to click on links when they won't click

 

Jackie,

         I had a write-o, it's not typographical, as INS + Num Pad Slash is the desktop keystroke sequence while INS + Shift + M is the laptop sequence for bringing the mouse to the navigator object (that link, in this case), and that's what I was doing, not a left mouse click, which is just number pad slash for desktop.

         I did not have luck with arrow down, at least not as consistently, after the hover over menus were visible.  But hitting tab always took me through them, item by item.  It appears that both methods work, so if down arrow didn't I'd try TAB or vice versa after having done the move mouse to navigator object command.

         It is a PITA, but so much about using alternate access to what is a visual medium by design, is, and sometimes far more so than others.  At least there appears to be a functional way to do it!

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Re: NVDA 2018 and a touchscreen tablet

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Dave,

I don't know of an audio tutorial for using the touch screen specifically.  NVDA has some gestures setup out of the box for touch screens.  You can also setup other gestures yourself.



There is also a section on using Input Gestures, which you can use to setup new gestures: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NVDATouchGestures

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:58 AM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@...> wrote:
Hello,

I've got a surface pro tablet running win10 (soon to be 1803), that
I'd like to get NVDA going on. My goal is to use the tablet
keyboardless or at least with the option of going keyboardless. I was
wondering are there any audio tutorials of NVDA users demo touchscreen
with win10?

Thanks.
Dave.






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notification adds

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Hi, all
I am getting several notification adds them notification states setting and close. How do I make sure they are gone? Need to make sure this does not happen again. This is recent. Using W10.

Holger Fiallo


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

what browser are you using?  I tried two or three links and got them to work in the usual way.  I saw some menu buttons and I tried activating one.  I had to do the following:
I used the I am menu button.  I went into forms mode.  I pressed enter on the I am button and was then able to down arrow through a menu of fifteen items.  I didn't do anything further such as to try to work with the menu by pressing enter on an item. 
 
I didn't test with new versions of programs.  I would have had to go online with my Windows 7 machine.  But I would think that if the Firefox version 52.X ESR can work with an older version of NVDA, then newer versions should be able to work as well. 
 
How many browsers did you try and which ones?  Also, firefox works but Chrome won't load the site, saying it can't establish a secure connection.  I don't know if this matters, I don't know what information the site asks for.  But you might not be using a secure connection.
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

Hello Brian.

The site I’m trying to sign up on is

https://joinmastodon.org/

Actually the only link that I can seem to activate is how it works and it just plays a video.

Thanks, and thanks to all for the suggestions

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 04:20 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Once in a while, more and more lately it seems, I can not click with the enter key, or control enter, or the space bar and even with the num pad using numpad 0 enter.

So how do you click on a link in that case? 

Scott,

            Interesting that you bring this up today, as what I think is a similar situation to yours is something I just answered, and lamely (since I have no solution), is that there is the increasing use of "mouse hover over" menu systems that screen readers identify as links.  The one I was just talking about is the main navigation structure on crochet.org and on that page once you're in their navigation area only the "Home" and "Blog" links are actual links.  The others are hover-over menus and I cannot activate them with any keyboard commands I have tried.  Once my mouse is hovered over the top level links the menu appears, and I can tab through those links, but what's particularly evil is that most of those links are second level hover over controls that cause the next submenu to show up, and I can't make that submenu appear without hovering over.

             I could have sworn that either JAWS or NVDA had a command that was the equivalent of "bring the mouse pointer here as though it were hovering over this item" but I can't find them at the moment.

             If you can post a specific site you're having this issue with I can at least confirm whether this sort of navigation structure is at play there.
 
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Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Cristóbal
 

Yup. Sometimes, you just have to mouse click on text. Especially in Firefox where you have that element announcement turned off. After a while, you kind of just know what’s a clickable item.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Well, if what Scott was asking about is a "hover over" menu structure I have now been successful in using it with a combination of INS+Num Pad Slash (left mouse click) once I have focus on the top level link to get the menu to appear.  I can then tab through the menu items.  If I hit enter on one and nothing happens that indicates to me that it's another hover over, and I INS+Num Pad Slash to get its submenu to appear then tab through it.

If a link activates successfully with Enter or Spacebar then it's a normal link.  If it just sits there its a hover over link (at least so far), and I'm able to force the hover over to activate by doing a virtual left click, which does nothing but give mouse focus where it should be so that the submenu appears, as the actual click on these links when you're actually using a mouse does nothing.  It's the progressive movement of the mouse hovering over the various hover over links until you get to a "real" link that makes all this show up "the sighted way."  [The previous is included simply for comparison, contrasting, and because I figure some people are curious.  I'm not expecting anyone to actually use the mouse.]
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Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Jackie
 

Brian v, what I do is press the bring mouse to focus key, ie, capslock
m, to the link, then hit spacebar. When u press down arrow, you can
then read the expanded items. PITA, though, & I don't mean the
flatbread kind.

On 8/8/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, if what Scott was asking about is a "hover over" menu structure I have
now been successful in using it with a combination of INS+Num Pad Slash
(left mouse click) once I have focus on the top level link to get the menu
to appear.  I can then tab through the menu items.  If I hit enter on one
and nothing happens that indicates to me that it's another hover over, and I
INS+Num Pad Slash to get its submenu to appear then tab through it.

If a link activates successfully with Enter or Spacebar then it's a normal
link.  If it just sits there its a hover over link (at least so far), and
I'm able to force the hover over to activate by doing a virtual left click,
which does nothing but give mouse focus where it should be so that the
submenu appears, as the actual click on these links when you're actually
using a mouse does nothing.  It's the progressive movement of the mouse
hovering over the various hover over links until you get to a "real" link
that makes all this show up "the sighted way."  [The previous is included
simply for comparison, contrasting, and because I figure some people are
curious.  I'm not expecting anyone to actually use the mouse.]
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   A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
all humankind.

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