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Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hmmm I have win7 as for my display, it does frequently lock up butt thats because I am using a beta driver of my amd card, the last release in fact before they upgraded, my card is no longer made anymore and thats one reason I may either replace the system soon or just role back to 2015 drivers, however, some newer games needed newer drivers.

sometimes things do go weird but just as well I am blind.

On 8/3/2018 6:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes but this is windows 7 too.
 I am as you will see also having windows lock ups on two 7 machines and the only thing in common seems to be something to do with usb, but the add ons have been here for ages so its either nvda or a driver they updated about a few weeks ago, Intell I think.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



It's build 1803, no insider build.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph



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Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix



Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com> >
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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix













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Re: using NVDA with BleachBit

 

To be honest ccleaner is not that bad.

The main panel sucks, but with the ini I have on dropbox and if you host it other places you in theory won't have a problem, if doing it your self you will need to have a sightling help you with the main panel but thats about it.

I would not recomend the installer of the program at this point though.

On 8/2/2018 10:10 PM, Mallard wrote:
Hello,


I got curious and downloaded teh portable version of BleachBit for Windows.


Unfortunately it isn't accessible in itself, but it looks as if it can be used with the help of Windows10 OCR without too many problems.


It's a very thorough programme, at least at a quick glance. I don't feel safe trying it out without someone here to prevent me from messing up my system... So I'll wait till my husband is here before I do play with it more in depth.


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/08/2018 11:50, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William ha scritto:
Hi all,
As an open source alternative to ccleaner, are there any one who used BleachBit?
I would like to know if it is accessible with NVDA.
Thanks.
william







Re: Free, accessible TV software

 

Hmmm thats good to know.

I have a normal tv but if I ever happen to have a need to listen to tv on a device that would be a nice idea.

On 8/2/2018 9:45 PM, Stephen wrote:
NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the  tvs being digital it may be easier to set an apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally. there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.






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Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi Steve,

OT as it may be, what do you not like about the dotwatch?  I'm looking at it right now.  On paper it seems really nice, and it competes pretty well on price with the apple watch and most other smart watches out there as far as I can tell.  four cells is a bit small, but how many more cells can fit on a wrist anyway?

Interested to hear your thoughts as I've been really excited about it and seriously considering buying it.

Best,

Erik

On August 2, 2018 3:18:50 PM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Well the Dot Watch is pretty awful, so I won’t worry about that display.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 02 August 2018 18:44
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, I use an Esys 12 to good effect when travelling.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: 02 August 2018 19:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

But I often write words that are longer than that. Can such a small RBD really be useful?

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:47 PM
To: "nvda@groups.io" <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Well the Dot Watch is pretty awful, so I won’t worry about that display.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 02 August 2018 18:44
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

I don't wait at all, settings loads instantly, but it doesn't read with screen readers that rely on UIA alone. Seems that Freedom Sci have hacked round it, as JAWS continues to work flawlessly with it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

I don't have Any problems w/settings, although you do have to wait some time for the aplet to load. Arrow keys take you from 1 setting to the next, enter, then tab brings you to the list of settings in that particular group which can be modified. The only addons I have installed are Pico, remote, & TeamTalk classic. I am running the latest NVDA, though, & Narrator works w/it as well, so I'm wondering if this is something unique to your system.

On 8/2/18, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@boeing.com> wrote:
I agree with Joseph. If we have two screen readers failing, I would
definitely ask about it. Also, it often saves a lot of time when we
ask someone who knows versus trying to troubleshoot ourselves.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi,
If Narrator also fails to speak (if I read a previous message
correctly), then it might be time to ask folks at Redmond if UIA is to blame... again.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Yes, I use Windows Key I. I just get silence when I tab and blank
when I arrow up and down.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice
Mijares
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Are these settings opened by hitting windows key I? if so, I'm having
no issues.

On 8/2/2018 9:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

It is still broken with all add-ons disabled.

Update though, it is broken in Narrator as well. Glad I have JAWS
for this one.

All th best


Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *abdul
muhamin
*Sent:* 01 August 2018 08:45
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi all. I’ve noticed the same problem yesterday, sometimes. The
settings app is not readable by NVDA. However, you can restart this
app 2 or more times to make it readable. I don’t know, whether this
is the problem with the last security updates of win10. or something
is wrong with some addons, I doesn’t tri with addons disable

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Chris via Groups.Io
<mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *Monday, July 30, 2018 7:18 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

*From: *Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk>
*Sent: *30 July 2018 09:55
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings
now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all. I do have
App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts? They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best


Steve

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Re: Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

Yes, I do think it is a UIA issue. I don't think for a moment it's an NVDA issue, but why isn't everyone getting it who's on 1803?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Hi,
If Narrator also fails to speak (if I read a previous message correctly), then it might be time to ask folks at Redmond if UIA is to blame... again.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Yes, I use Windows Key I. I just get silence when I tab and blank when I arrow up and down.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Are these settings opened by hitting windows key I? if so, I'm having no issues.

On 8/2/2018 9:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

It is still broken with all add-ons disabled.

Update though, it is broken in Narrator as well. Glad I have JAWS for
this one.

All th best


Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *abdul
muhamin
*Sent:* 01 August 2018 08:45
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi all. I’ve noticed the same problem yesterday, sometimes. The
settings app is not readable by NVDA. However, you can restart this
app 2 or more times to make it readable. I don’t know, whether this is
the problem with the last security updates of win10. or something is
wrong with some addons, I doesn’t tri with addons disable

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Chris via Groups.Io
<mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *Monday, July 30, 2018 7:18 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

*From: *Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk>
*Sent: *30 July 2018 09:55
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with
NVDA

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings
now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all. I do have
App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts? They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best


Steve

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Re: Configuring Freeswitch and Google Voice

 

isn't that command line based?

how are you able to set that up? is there some sort of web gui on freeswitch?

I know that google voice made some changes about a month ago so you may not be able to get it to work


On 8/2/2018 11:50 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So a follow up to a query I made on list a few weeks ago. Someone recommended as an accessible VOIP client Freeswitch. https://freeswitch.com/

I downloaded and installed it and it seems pretty basic, accessible  and easy to use which is great. My question is does anyone know how to configure Google Voice with it? Doing a quick search, I come up with: https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/Google+Voice+API

Yeah, so a lot of that stuff laid out in that URL are things I’m not familiar with and seeing as how it’s going on two years old, I don’t know if anything’s changed for the better or worse.

Again, the FS client itself seems pretty nice  and accessible. It’s just getting the number properply configured for incoming and outgoing calls now I guess.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristóbal


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Configuring Freeswitch and Google Voice

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So a follow up to a query I made on list a few weeks ago. Someone recommended as an accessible VOIP client Freeswitch. https://freeswitch.com/

I downloaded and installed it and it seems pretty basic, accessible  and easy to use which is great. My question is does anyone know how to configure Google Voice with it? Doing a quick search, I come up with: https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/Google+Voice+API

Yeah, so a lot of that stuff laid out in that URL are things I’m not familiar with and seeing as how it’s going on two years old, I don’t know if anything’s changed for the better or worse.

Again, the FS client itself seems pretty nice  and accessible. It’s just getting the number properply configured for incoming and outgoing calls now I guess.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristóbal


Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Annette Moore
 

I've had trouble with Explorer for a while now. If I get really frustrated, though, I just restart NVDA and that usually takes care of it. Reading through list view items, especially if I have more than one window open, is sometimes difficult. It's almost like Explorer has to catch up with me when I've entered on a list view. It won't read anything for a while, but if I sit here and wait long enough, it'll start reading my list of items. Dropbox is the worst for this behavior, and it's usually after I copied and pasted an item somewhere. that's usually when I restart NVDA. Sometimes I'll  just close all of my Explorer windows and reopen them, and that also takes care of it. It's the strangest thing, but I remember someone else on this list complaining about the same thing fairly recently. I don't recall, though, if he ever fixed it. It also doesn't happen all the time, just mostly when I happen to have two or three other windows open. So I've tried now to have only one or two things open at a time.

Annette


On 8/2/2018 4:34 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix

 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>




Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

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So the question is then, should we all be using the alpha build to see if that helps. At present i have the old master on the working installed copy of nvda, the one that will, I assume, end up as beta, and Alpha the old masterafter updates, on the portable version. i really do not notice much of a difference, to be honest.
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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Nvda can be silent when opening some programs and refreshing them if I doodle about a bit it happens but still I have noticed it to.




On 8/2/2018 7:46 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix




Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

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So why stop at 16? Seems an odd choice to me.

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA


You could write four-letter words, to be more concise for the smaller Braille display. ;-) Just kidding.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

But I often write words that are longer than that. Can such a small RBD really be useful?


From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com<mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>" <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:47 PM
To: "nvda@groups.io<mailto:nvda@groups.io>" <nvda@groups.io<mailto:nvda@groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Hi,
When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/



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Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Tyler Wood
 

I've been having this happen for the past few windows 10 and NVDA builds.

It seems to really occur when copying, moving, or deleting files. Sometimes tabbing through the explorer window helps, sometimes a restart of NVDA is required. And when this happens it almost always breaks alt tabbing.

On 02-Aug-2018 1:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes but this is windows 7 too.
 I am as you will see also having windows lock ups on two 7 machines and the only thing in common seems to be something to do with usb, but the add ons have been here for ages so its either nvda or a driver they updated about a few weeks ago, Intell I think.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



It's build 1803, no insider build.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix



Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix













Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

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Yes but this is windows 7 too.
I am as you will see also having windows lock ups on two 7 machines and the only thing in common seems to be something to do with usb, but the add ons have been here for ages so its either nvda or a driver they updated about a few weeks ago, Intell I think.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



It's build 1803, no insider build.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix



Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with the ability to push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix




Windows going silent

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I have noticed a fair few of these messages here and have experienced several apparent windows lock ups myself. However it is looking like it might be an issue with usb drivers or hardware.

Up until quite recently on windows 7, if a usb malfunctioned you simply got a warning. but recently it just stops the machine. Now its hard with such an erratic problem to work out if nvda is involved at all in this, or if its a windows issue.
All I can say is check all usb attached devices for intermittent connections or unplug those you are not using at the moment and see if the issue stops happening.
I had it with a wireless dongle and a couple of mp3 players and I've unplugged them so we shall have to see.
I only sussed this out as when I did a button shut down there was a fragment of speech about a usb issue.

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Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

any ideas on a price


On 8/2/2018 10:44 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

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Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Walker, Michael E
 

You could write four-letter words, to be more concise for the smaller Braille display. ;-) Just kidding.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

But I often write words that are longer than that. Can such a small RBD really be useful?

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:47 PM
To: "nvda@groups.io" <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

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Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Jonathan COHN
 

But I often write words that are longer than that. Can such a small RBD really be useful?

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:47 PM
To: "nvda@groups.io" <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

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dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10