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Re: some questions about NVDA

abdul muhamin
 

Hi Quentin. Thanks for the reply. I’ll send the log. If that happened again. And yes. Creating that kind of algorithms is dangerous too. If you create an addon or something. The bots can use that. But in the newer version of Firefox. Which service should I use. As you know. The webvisum is gone. And it can no longer useable with latest Firefox. And about the flexible web. You can read about on this page

Thanks

Abdul Muhamin

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 12:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some questions about NVDA

 

Hi Abdul,

 

1) I haven't been paying attention, I'm not sure what Flexible web is?

2) There is a screen curtain feature being tested currently.  You can read more and try it here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7857

3) Image description:  Good idea, There was an issue created awhile ago, but it doesn't appear anyone has looked at the current situation: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7671

4) Re OCR has gone downhill.  I'm not sure.  It's not even something that's easy to replicate

5) There are several performance issues with Office we are slowly working on.  If you have a particular one in mind, search for it on our Issue tracker and you will hopefully find a relevant conversation to follow: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

6) Unlikely.  The problem is that CAPTCHAs are designed to make you do something that proves you are a human, so bots and computer generated algorithms can't get past them.  Ergo, WE can't write an algorithm to defeat them (and if we do, they will change the test, because if we can, the spammers can too).  The best approach is to advocate for change in addressing the problem that CAPTCHA seeks to solve.

7) Not sure off the top of my head.  After it happens, if you could send me a copy of your NVDA log, ideally at debug level  (to info@... ) I can have a look and try for you.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:55 PM, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:

Hi all. Here are some questions I want to ask

1.      Can we expect flexible web with NVDA in future?

2.      What about the screen curtain addon for NVDA?

3.      As you all know, Narrator has an image description feature, why we doesn’t have this important feature in NVDA?

4.      In the early updates of win10. When the win10 OCR implemented on NVDA. It recognize almost everything, for example, the photos in photos app, even I used it for reading video games menu. But now, its very laggy. And doesn’t recognize as it was before. Why is that?

5.      In Microsoft office 2013 or 2016, the NVDA has so many delays, while reading, writing, and while reading the ribbon menus, why?

6.      In the modern browsers like the Firefox quantum, solving captcha images is the main issue for many vi people. Can we expect a feature in NVDA for it

7.      Last question, I’m using Microsoft mail app. And I’ve created a sepret profile for it. Sometimes after reading or replying to a mail. When I press windows plus m to move to the desktop. The NVDA stops reading anything. And it force me to restart the NVDA, why?

I hope all of the above mentioned problems will be fixed in the

Future!

Keep the NVDA alive!

Thanks.

Regards

Abdul muhamin

Chief Content Officer at

Blind Help Project



 

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Re: Free, accessible TV software

Stephen
 

Thats weird, every time I've installed it on my machine I've always been able to start it from the desktop. unless they've changed things around on newer versions of course.

At 08:06 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
I'm checking out Next PVR but don't find it very accessible. First, no desktop shortcuts are installed so for me the quickest way of launching it is searching from the start menu for Next PVR which brings up the player as a Firefox document. However, when opening it, I find some slider controls along with several unlabeled buttons.

On 8/2/2018 6:03 AM, Aman Singer wrote:
Hi,
If I may ask, have you been able to watch live TV with Next PVR? I
found this very difficult but it's always possible I was missing something.
Further, have you managed to access closed captioning with Next or any other
application?
Thanks,
Aman

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software
NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to
record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the tvs being digital it may be easier to set an
apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio
descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including
samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to
memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define
what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite
radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer
could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv
or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program
guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally.
there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as
its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is
there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.





.




Re: Free, accessible TV software

Stephen
 

Yes, I can press f2 from the main interface to get to live TV mode, and you can also press pg-up and pg-down to switch channels. I can't help out with the closed caption query though, sorry.

At 08:03 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
Hi,

If I may ask, have you been able to watch live TV with Next PVR? I
found this very difficult but it's always possible I was missing something.
Further, have you managed to access closed captioning with Next or any other
application?
Thanks,
Aman


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to
record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the tvs being digital it may be easier to set an
apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio
descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including
samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to
memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define
what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite
radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer
could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv
or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program
guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally.
there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as
its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is
there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.






.







Re: using NVDA with BleachBit

Mallard
 

Hello,


I got curious and downloaded teh portable version of BleachBit for Windows.


Unfortunately it isn't accessible in itself, but it looks as if it can be used with the help of Windows10 OCR without too many problems.


It's a very thorough programme, at least at a quick glance. I don't feel safe trying it out without someone here to prevent me from messing up my system... So I'll wait till my husband is here before I do play with it more in depth.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 02/08/2018 11:50, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William ha scritto:
Hi all,
As an open source alternative to ccleaner, are there any one who used BleachBit?
I would like to know if it is accessible with NVDA.
Thanks.
william




Re: Free, accessible TV software

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

I'm checking out Next PVR but don't find it very accessible. First, no desktop shortcuts are installed so for me the quickest way of launching it is searching from the start menu for Next PVR which brings up the player as a Firefox document. However, when opening it, I find some slider controls along with several unlabeled buttons.

On 8/2/2018 6:03 AM, Aman Singer wrote:
Hi,
If I may ask, have you been able to watch live TV with Next PVR? I
found this very difficult but it's always possible I was missing something.
Further, have you managed to access closed captioning with Next or any other
application?
Thanks,
Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software
NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to
record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the tvs being digital it may be easier to set an
apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio
descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including
samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to
memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define
what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite
radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer
could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv
or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program
guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally.
there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as
its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is
there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.






.


Re: Free, accessible TV software

Aman Singer
 

Hi,

If I may ask, have you been able to watch live TV with Next PVR? I
found this very difficult but it's always possible I was missing something.
Further, have you managed to access closed captioning with Next or any other
application?
Thanks,
Aman

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to
record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the tvs being digital it may be easier to set an
apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio
descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including
samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to
memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define
what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite
radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer
could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv
or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program
guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally.
there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as
its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is
there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.






.


using NVDA with BleachBit

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Hi all,
As an open source alternative to ccleaner, are there any one who used BleachBit?
I would like to know if it is accessible with NVDA.
Thanks.
william


Re: Free, accessible TV software

Stephen
 

NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to record via the web interface is a breeze.

At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the tvs being digital it may be easier to set an apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally. there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.






.


Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

It's build 1803, no insider build.

Best,

Felix

 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix

 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>


Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Felix G.
 

It's build 1803, no insider build.
Best,
Felix

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix

 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>



Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix

 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>



Re: New Google results page??

 

I noticed google have redone their site, there are results clearly labeled as either adds, web or whatever, google the site for search has gotten a lot easier to handle for me.

On 8/2/2018 8:02 PM, zahra wrote:
hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days.
even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
finding the result became a little difficult.
what is the solution to make previous behaviour?

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Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but

now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any

function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately

if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted
compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in

a sensible way?
Brian

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Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Nvda can be silent when opening some programs and refreshing them if I doodle about a bit it happens but still I have noticed it to.

On 8/2/2018 7:46 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix



Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Felix G.
 

Hi Joseph,
happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.
Best,
Felix

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>




Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>




Re: Free, accessible TV software

 

Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the  tvs being digital it may be easier to set an apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to memorise the channels you need and then go for it.

On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite radical, and of course the  adaptor which is feeding the computer could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally. there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.







.


Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Felix G.
 

Hello,
no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.
Best,
Felix

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>





Re: New Google results page??

 

but i think that disabling javascript can fix this problem. did you test it?

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No idea, its certainly not obvious. It seems that the old adage of if its
not broken do not try to fix it has never been heard by many tech companies.

I suspect that the whole thing is set up for tablet and mobile phone users,

not for those trying to access via a keyboard.
I also have startpage set up on my system and its easy to use, but its not

as thorough as Google and also I have noticed that google is being crafty
now, to avoid advert blockers the links often take you to a page just of
adverts with a tiny link somewhere for the page you wanted to go to, so when

searching for a video yesterday, it took me to an on line pharmacy and
buried in the adverts for medicines was the link to the video. Not good.
Brian

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??


hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days.
even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
finding the result became a little difficult.
what is the solution to make previous behaviour?

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Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar,
but

now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has

any

function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing.
Unfortunately

if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very
restricted
compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act

in

a sensible way?
Brian

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I would not do it.
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Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

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When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item get said after a delay, and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor in the computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual selection is behind the one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at all!
I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64 bit one with the ability to push threads though different processor cores. I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix



Re: New Google results page??

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No idea, its certainly not obvious. It seems that the old adage of if its not broken do not try to fix it has never been heard by many tech companies. I suspect that the whole thing is set up for tablet and mobile phone users, not for those trying to access via a keyboard.
I also have startpage set up on my system and its easy to use, but its not as thorough as Google and also I have noticed that google is being crafty now, to avoid advert blockers the links often take you to a page just of adverts with a tiny link somewhere for the page you wanted to go to, so when searching for a video yesterday, it took me to an on line pharmacy and buried in the adverts for medicines was the link to the video. Not good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??


hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days.
even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
finding the result became a little difficult.
what is the solution to make previous behaviour?

On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but

now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any

function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately

if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted
compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in

a sensible way?
Brian

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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali