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Re: Windows 10 and email

Hans <lasthans@...>
 

Hi,
Appologies forthe blankmessage, but I was answering the question about Windows 10 Email clients.
I started using the windows 10 mail app, after Windows Live Mail started acting up, showing messages of Not Responding when trying to open a message.  I’m on a windows 7 computer at the moment so that’s not an issue here.
 
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Re: Windows 10 and email

Jason White
 

Microsoft Outlook (the Windows version from Office 365, monthly channel) – it works very well with NVDA in my experience.

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:33 AM
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Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

 

I imagine I'll get more than one opinion here, but what do people use in Windows 10 for email? Other questions would include, accessible out of the box, and if not, what needs to happen, additional tweaks, apps, etc. Thanks for any help!


Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Hans,

           Your message contained nothing but your signature.
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Re: Windows 10 and email

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Re: Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 07:12 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

When I tab away from the first element that shows no colour, There are four other buttons:

Fill Effects...

More Colors...

Pattern Color Automatic

Pattern Solid Pattern control

Cearbhall,

            I do have experience with the "More Colors" dialog, and for screen reader users the "Standard" tab in the dialog that pops up should be avoided like the plague.  Although I was able to navigate the color honeycomb (and that's what the setup for standard colors has looked like forever) you get absolutely nothing back from the screen reader about what color you're on.  As I noted last night, if you know the actual RGB values for the background color you want it's probably easiest and fastest to use the "More Colors" button and the "Custom" tab on the dialog that comes up, going to the R and G and B edit boxes and entering the respective values.

I have used Fill Effects before, but in Publisher, and it's the same here in Excel.  It allows you to make the background a one-color, two-color, or preset gradients.  In the case of Excel and for the cells on the spreadsheet I posted last night, I'm only getting the two color variant, the others being stippled out.  You pick the two colors (and, by default, the first will be white and the second whatever color you chose earlier) and the gradient transitions from one to the other.  There are a bunch of controls at the bottom specifying what orientation the gradient will take when filling the cell.  Unless one had really a really large cell the use of a color gradient would not be particularly useful.

I just looked at pattern color and pattern style.   This allows you to overlay pattern effects (style) on the background color you've chosen either allowing Excel to pick the pattern color (Automatic) or you can pick a specific color like you did for the background itself.  There are styles like x percent gray (which is a bit of a misnomer if you pick a custom color for the pattern color, but they have to pick a name) which places a series of what amount to micro polka dots on the background color you chose in the pattern color you chose, horizontal stripes, vertical stripes, cross hatching, etc.   By the way, if you are going through these and pick "solid" as the pattern, it does nothing, because you can't overlay a solid color on another solid color, so what you get is whatever you originally chose as your background color.  The pattern is only meaningful if you choose something other than solid which can be overlayed/combined with the base background color (which could be "no color" by the way) that is in effect.
 
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Re: Windows 10 and email

 

As an aside to this conversation, for those who would like to use Outlook 2016, it's now far cheaper, and completely legal, to get "recycled" licenses for Office 2016.

There was some change to the laws in the EU that have made it illegal for Microsoft to tie the license for Office to a single machine literally, and if that single machine is being tossed out it is legal for its owner to extract the Office license for use on another.   Well, this has resulted in a cottage industry of computer geeks buying up mass quantities of computers being junked and extracting and reselling the licenses.

I have just upgraded 4 computers in my household from Office 2010 to Office 2016 (actually, I've got both running side by side, just in case I want to do something in 2010), and each Office 2016 Pro Plus license was purchased on eBay for under $10, and they all activated just fine.  I just paid attention to the seller's reputation when purchasing.
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Re: Favourite add-ons

Christo de Klerk
 

I can confirm that part of the Place marker add-on does not work in Edge. The command to set a mark, ctrl+Shift+NVDA+k does not work. When reading ePub books I use the add-on's specific find feature to find my place. It is a bit more cumbersome, but it works well. Of course the first prize would be if the app can be made to work in Edge as well as it works elsewhere.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/08/23 04:41 PM, Sociohack AC wrote:
 Place marker is not working with edge. Especially while reading PDFs or Epub files. Is anyone of you facing the same problem? If Yes, any possible fixes?
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Re: Windows 10 and email

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
For example, I could not find a way to change the order of messages to have the newest at the bottom.
Like any e-mail client I've ever worked with, this is nothing more than a "click"/activate on the column heading, typically, to set the column used to sort and to reverse the sort order on said column from ascending to descending or vice versa.

Many people still like Windows Live Mail 2012, which is the thing most like Outlook Express, but it's no longer officially supported but does work just fine for POP or IMAP access.  I archived the last Microsoft Essentials 2012 installer, which allows you to pick from among the "essentials" to get only the one or ones you want, about a week before it was pulled from Microsoft's download pages.  You can snag it from my Google Drive, Microsoft Essentials 2012, in ZIP format if you want it.
 
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Re: Windows 10 and email

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, there is an add on, I believe it's a Thunderbird add-on, that allows first letter navigation in the folders list.
There is, and I routinely install it for all of my blind or vision impaired clients who choose Thunderbird.  I posted about it, at length, here:

                     https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/message/59771 

and on the NVDA group, too.
 
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Re: Windows 10 and email

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use gmail.com and the basic html view. Works here. I don’t use nor like any email programs on windows.

Take care

On 23 Aug 2018, at 0:33, Kwork wrote:

I imagine I'll get more than one opinion here, but what do people use in Windows 10 for email? Other questions would include, accessible out of the box, and if not, what needs to happen, additional tweaks, apps, etc. Thanks for any help!


Re: Windows 10 and email

Gene
 

Why did it seem like too much?  I think that it seemed that way because it either wasn't configured for the most convenient operation or you didn't know a command or two to make its operation easier.  Once I had the program properly configured, I found it similar in terms of the common operations, reading mail, replying to mail, and the other very common tasks to Outlook Express. 
 
Also, there is an add on, I believe it's a Thunderbird add-on, that allows first letter navigation in the folders list.  I don't use Thunderbird but I tried it, however, I don't remember details to discuss the matter further in terms of just how you set things up. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

I haven't been happy with Thunderbird on my windows 7 computer, it seemed too much, I just wanted something like Outlook Express, so when I set up a client's computer to use OE, and the windows 10 update removed it on its own, I set his computer to use the default windows mail program.
It is pretty good, but it seems much less configurable than OE.
For example, I could not find a way to change the order of messages to have the newest at the bottom.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 5:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

I use thunderbird 60.

If you want something thats fully accessible and need addons 52.9.1 is the last version of thunderbird that mozilla has before it switched over to the 60x and higher series.

One word of warning though, according to the main thunderbird website that version is never going to get updated again so its going to eventually probably expire probably.

If you don't need addons at all, then the quantom interface for thunderbird works well enough as long as you set messages to open in the same window and turn off tabbed brousing in settings as well as set the home page to inbox.

You may or may not need sighted help to turn off the lightning addon for calendar.

Last time I set it up it did itself.



On 8/23/2018 7:33 PM, Kwork wrote:
> I imagine I'll get more than one opinion here, but what do people use
> in Windows 10 for email? Other questions would include, accessible out
> of the box, and if not, what needs to happen, additional tweaks, apps,
> etc. Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
>







Re: Favourite add-ons

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Place marker is not working with edge. Especially while reading PDFs or Epub files. Is anyone of you facing the same problem? If Yes, any possible fixes?
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Re: Windows 10 and email

Ervin, Glenn
 

I haven't been happy with Thunderbird on my windows 7 computer, it seemed too much, I just wanted something like Outlook Express, so when I set up a client's computer to use OE, and the windows 10 update removed it on its own, I set his computer to use the default windows mail program.
It is pretty good, but it seems much less configurable than OE.
For example, I could not find a way to change the order of messages to have the newest at the bottom.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 5:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

I use thunderbird 60.

If you want something thats fully accessible and need addons 52.9.1 is the last version of thunderbird that mozilla has before it switched over to the 60x and higher series.

One word of warning though, according to the main thunderbird website that version is never going to get updated again so its going to eventually probably expire probably.

If you don't need addons at all, then the quantom interface for thunderbird works well enough as long as you set messages to open in the same window and turn off tabbed brousing in settings as well as set the home page to inbox.

You may or may not need sighted help to turn off the lightning addon for calendar.

Last time I set it up it did itself.



On 8/23/2018 7:33 PM, Kwork wrote:
I imagine I'll get more than one opinion here, but what do people use
in Windows 10 for email? Other questions would include, accessible out
of the box, and if not, what needs to happen, additional tweaks, apps,
etc. Thanks for any help!




Re: Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

 

Cearbhall,

              My Excel experience itself is relatively limited, and last night was my first foray into conditional formatting.

              This is one of those times where there really is no substitute for sight when it comes to figuring out exactly what's going on with the screen reader itself, which is behaving as it should, but with a dialog setup that is quite atypical and where what you hear isn't always exactly indicative of what's going on.  The fact that "No Color" is a button with a value of its own, and the first one, can lead to the utterly incorrect conclusion if one lands on it again that you've somehow undone a color you set earlier, but you haven't unless you press it.  The screen reader also never lands on the large graphic at the bottom of that dialog that is showing the color sample in a broad swath that you selected above, which does make sense since you can't interact with it, it's meant as an obvious visual cue for the sighted, but even they can't interact with it, it's just there.

I do all these sorts of checks "as needed" because I've learned over time that non-intuitive dialogs can be confusing enough when you can see them, but when all you can do is hear them, and you aren't quite certain of how they are traversed, it makes it even worse.   I was actually surprised at the whole need to right arrow through the "short list" of colors at the top before landing in the grid where all the directional arrows work.  This is not something I'd expect anyone, including myself, would know unless they'd already had experience with it.  It's quite peculiar.
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Re: regular expression and speech dic

 

William,

           You are quite welcome.  There was a time, now a bit over 20 years past, when I became a "regular expression guru" of necessity and was using them for complex search matches on a routine basis.   I probably couldn't read and understand some of what I actually created back then, but for the "simpler stuff" I can still generally churn out a regular expression that matches what's desired and nothing else.
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Re: NVDA keeping another process open

Felix G.
 

Hi!
There's one thing all these programs have in common. I don't know if
this is relevant but: They all have a splash screen.
Best,
Felix
Am Do., 23. Aug. 2018 um 15:11 Uhr schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:


Hi Group,


I see this many times with the Office Suite--in particular Microsoft Access.



On 8/23/2018 4:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hmm, I've seen this with other office bits as well, like Access
runtime for example.
Maybe its still hooked into the code of these older applications
making windows unable to close them due to this.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping another process open


Hi!
Has anyone else noticed that when NVDA is running, it seems to keep
some other processes permanently open? For example, there is a
development environment, let's call it x, which I use for creating a
software component. Strangely, when I open x and then close it again,
it stays running as a process in task manager, but as soon as I close
NVDA it also closes. I've tried with two other screen readers and they
don't affect it in this way, that is, with those running, the process
stops immediately when I close its window. So NVDA seems to do
something to certain other processes which keeps them from
terminating.
I noticed the same with Outlook 2007, by the way, which I am still
using on one machine. That also won't close as long as NVDA is
running, but as soon as I exit NVDA, Outlook closes along with it.
Other screen readers don't affect Outlook in this way.
Best,
Felix





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Re: NVDA keeping another process open

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I see this many times with the Office Suite--in particular Microsoft Access.

On 8/23/2018 4:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hmm, I've seen this with other  office bits as well, like Access runtime for example.
Maybe its still hooked into the code of these older applications making windows unable to close them due to this.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keeping another process open


Hi!
Has anyone else noticed that when NVDA is running, it seems to keep
some other processes permanently open? For example, there is a
development environment, let's call it x, which  I use for creating a
software component. Strangely, when I open x and then close it again,
it stays running as a process in task manager, but as soon as I close
NVDA it also closes. I've tried with two other screen readers and they
don't affect it in this way, that is, with those running, the process
stops immediately when I close its window. So NVDA seems to do
something to certain other processes which keeps them from
terminating.
I noticed the same with Outlook 2007, by the way, which I am still
using on one machine. That also won't close as long as NVDA is
running, but as soon as I exit NVDA, Outlook closes along with it.
Other screen readers don't affect Outlook in this way.
Best,
Felix




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Re: Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

Thats good to know, thanks.

The problem is that they are not working! How can I check them?

 

Just to be sure that we are speaking about the same things, I am referring to using formulas in the rules for conditional formatting under the Home menu in Excel.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

 

NVDA shouldn't stop conditional formatting from working, and should be able to announce colours, both foreground text and background fill.

 

Have you checked that your conditional formatting formulas are working?  They can be fiddly to get right sometimes.

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin et al,

 

 

I have read and carefully followed the steps for setting a new rule using a formula to change the fill colour of a row based on a certain word appearing in a particular column.

 

The procedure for editing rules is really straightforward and yet I cannot get it to take the fill colour. NVDA reports no colour even though the colour is flagged as selected. The no colour status is probably true, because the colour does not appear when the key word is present in the chosen cell.

 

My question is: Does NVDA definitely enable the selection of the fill colour when editing a new rule?

 

If so, how?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian,

 

This is excellent! I followed your steps and it worked exactly as you describe. The trick is to arrow right until the white comes around second time, as you say. I then pressed up or down-arrow until the variant of my colour came up.

 

I did have the three RGB colour values from a previous setting that a sighted person had selected so I watched out and they came up under the up and down arrow process.

 

When I tab away from the first element that shows no colour, There are four other buttons:

Fill Effects...

More Colors...

Pattern Color Automatic

Pattern Solid Pattern control

 

And then, finally, OK

 

Have you any experience of using these other tabs? What did you have to do to be sure that you could accurately detect what was selected?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 12:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Set colour with conditional rule in Excel 2016

 

Cearbhall,

           I can set it, and NVDA is announcing the color when I select it from the grid that's presented.  I did not try the "More Colors" button.

           Be aware that the first button on the "Fill" tab is "No Color" and it's always there, and first, in case you want to clear any color that you may previously have used.  After you select the color you want, the "No Color" button is still there and prominently featured.  Once you land on the No Color Button, you must right arrow through the first set of colours, which start with white, and when you hear white again you're in the grid where you can down/up/left/right arrow your way around.  It may be easier to avoid all this altogether if you know the RGB value for the background color you wish to use.  If that's the case, go directly to the "More Colors" button and activate it, then if you're not already on the custom colours tab of the More Colors dialog, navigate to it.  The default color model is RGB and you can then get to the red, green, and blue edit boxes and enter the values for the background color you want, and hit OK.

But even if I used NVDA with the color selection toolbar/grid, as soon as I right arrowed off of the "No Color" button NVDA began announcing the colours and their respective RGB values, and allowing me to select the one I was currently on.
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Re: regular expression and speech dic

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Brian, you are so smart for helping me, many thanks.

In fact why I created such a regular expression is because what I have created in the speech dic didn't work.
I first created a whole word speech dic of "lv" and replace by a speech "level"
and found that most of the time lv will be spoken as level instead, except when lv is followed by numbers immediately.
Therefore I want to create some like a regular expression to include all "lv" that is not followed by any english word.
 


 
 

Brian Vogel 於 23/8/2018 10:18 寫道:

William,

          Your problem is that the "lv" matches those two characters exactly, but "(^a-z)" captures ONE character that is not lower case a through lower case z.

           If you want something of the form "lv12" pronounced as "level 12" you would use the regular expression:   lv([0-9]+)
and the substitution would be:   level \2

           The regular expression I gave says, "Match the characters 'lv' literally, then match one or more repetitions of the numeric digit characters, saving them for later use, which is what the parentheses around that part of the expression does.   Since you know the "lv" is to be pronounced "level," there's no need to capture it for later use, but you need the digit sequence, whatever it may be, to be spoken later, and the parentheses allow it to be referred to later, as a unit as "\2" [the second match, where "lv" was the first match, but not saved because there were no parentheses around it].

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