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Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Nvda can be silent when opening some programs and refreshing them if I doodle about a bit it happens but still I have noticed it to.

On 8/2/2018 7:46 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix



Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Felix G.
 

Hi Joseph,
happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.
Best,
Felix

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>




Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>




Re: Free, accessible TV software

 

Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the  tvs being digital it may be easier to set an apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to memorise the channels you need and then go for it.

On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite radical, and of course the  adaptor which is feeding the computer could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally. there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.







.


Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Felix G.
 

Hello,
no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.
Best,
Felix

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>





Re: New Google results page??

 

but i think that disabling javascript can fix this problem. did you test it?

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No idea, its certainly not obvious. It seems that the old adage of if its
not broken do not try to fix it has never been heard by many tech companies.

I suspect that the whole thing is set up for tablet and mobile phone users,

not for those trying to access via a keyboard.
I also have startpage set up on my system and its easy to use, but its not

as thorough as Google and also I have noticed that google is being crafty
now, to avoid advert blockers the links often take you to a page just of
adverts with a tiny link somewhere for the page you wanted to go to, so when

searching for a video yesterday, it took me to an on line pharmacy and
buried in the adverts for medicines was the link to the video. Not good.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??


hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days.
even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
finding the result became a little difficult.
what is the solution to make previous behaviour?

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Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar,
but

now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has

any

function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing.
Unfortunately

if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very
restricted
compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act

in

a sensible way?
Brian

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Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

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When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item get said after a delay, and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor in the computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual selection is behind the one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at all!
I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64 bit one with the ability to push threads though different processor cores. I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix



Re: New Google results page??

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No idea, its certainly not obvious. It seems that the old adage of if its not broken do not try to fix it has never been heard by many tech companies. I suspect that the whole thing is set up for tablet and mobile phone users, not for those trying to access via a keyboard.
I also have startpage set up on my system and its easy to use, but its not as thorough as Google and also I have noticed that google is being crafty now, to avoid advert blockers the links often take you to a page just of adverts with a tiny link somewhere for the page you wanted to go to, so when searching for a video yesterday, it took me to an on line pharmacy and buried in the adverts for medicines was the link to the video. Not good.
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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??


hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days.
even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
finding the result became a little difficult.
what is the solution to make previous behaviour?

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Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but

now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any

function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately

if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted
compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in

a sensible way?
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Re: New Google results page??

 

hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days.
even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
finding the result became a little difficult.
what is the solution to make previous behaviour?

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Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but

now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any

function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately

if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted
compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in

a sensible way?
Brian

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Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Felix G.
 

Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually announces "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS, when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and not, say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address 5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available: 
All the best,
Felix


Re: NVDA doesn't alt tab anymore, why?

Quentin Christensen
 

I use Windows insider builds, and this is almost certainly because of that for me.  I had a couple of builds awhile back where things like alt+tab and the start menu stopped working.  The problem was that the "Explorer" process had crashed.  Using task manager I could locate it and use the context  menu to "restart" the process which fixed it.

In any case, it's not normal behaviour.

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Sadly Microsoft were intending to change this behaviour with their new multiple desk tops feature, but according to some who are in the development program, at present this has been removed again for a rethink as so many people use it.
Like doh!
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't alt tab anymore, why?


Hi,

Sorry for cluttering the list with that question. I had just woken up and was very startled as life without alt tabbing would be horrid, but PTL, a restart fixed it all. Thanks and sorry again.











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New Google results page??

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Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures, when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in a sensible way?
Brian

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Re: nvda] Vocalizer expressive for NVDA and app store

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The last i heard a windows store version was being tested but the last time I asked I was told that at the moment in store mode it cannot get addons due to security concerns. You might be better asking on a development list for this.
I do not know about the voices, sorry.
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Subject: [nvda] nvda] Vocalizer expressive for NVDA and app store


Hi,
I've heard a rumor that NVDA is now on the Microsoft store. Is this true?
ALso, has Tifloteknia come out with the new Vocalizer voices yet?
Thanks
Chris


Re: some questions about NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Abdul,

1) I haven't been paying attention, I'm not sure what Flexible web is?
2) There is a screen curtain feature being tested currently.  You can read more and try it here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7857
3) Image description:  Good idea, There was an issue created awhile ago, but it doesn't appear anyone has looked at the current situation: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7671
4) Re OCR has gone downhill.  I'm not sure.  It's not even something that's easy to replicate
5) There are several performance issues with Office we are slowly working on.  If you have a particular one in mind, search for it on our Issue tracker and you will hopefully find a relevant conversation to follow: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues
6) Unlikely.  The problem is that CAPTCHAs are designed to make you do something that proves you are a human, so bots and computer generated algorithms can't get past them.  Ergo, WE can't write an algorithm to defeat them (and if we do, they will change the test, because if we can, the spammers can too).  The best approach is to advocate for change in addressing the problem that CAPTCHA seeks to solve.
7) Not sure off the top of my head.  After it happens, if you could send me a copy of your NVDA log, ideally at debug level  (to info@... ) I can have a look and try for you.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:55 PM, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:

Hi all. Here are some questions I want to ask

  1. Can we expect flexible web with NVDA in future?
  2. What about the screen curtain addon for NVDA?
  3. As you all know, Narrator has an image description feature, why we doesn’t have this important feature in NVDA?
  4. In the early updates of win10. When the win10 OCR implemented on NVDA. It recognize almost everything, for example, the photos in photos app, even I used it for reading video games menu. But now, its very laggy. And doesn’t recognize as it was before. Why is that?
  5. In Microsoft office 2013 or 2016, the NVDA has so many delays, while reading, writing, and while reading the ribbon menus, why?
  6. In the modern browsers like the Firefox quantum, solving captcha images is the main issue for many vi people. Can we expect a feature in NVDA for it
  7. Last question, I’m using Microsoft mail app. And I’ve created a sepret profile for it. Sometimes after reading or replying to a mail. When I press windows plus m to move to the desktop. The NVDA stops reading anything. And it force me to restart the NVDA, why?

I hope all of the above mentioned problems will be fixed in the

Future!

Keep the NVDA alive!

Thanks.

Regards

Abdul muhamin

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Re: NVDA doesn't alt tab anymore, why?

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Sadly Microsoft were intending to change this behaviour with their new multiple desk tops feature, but according to some who are in the development program, at present this has been removed again for a rethink as so many people use it.
Like doh!
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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't alt tab anymore, why?


Hi,

Sorry for cluttering the list with that question. I had just woken up and was very startled as life without alt tabbing would be horrid, but PTL, a restart fixed it all. Thanks and sorry again.



Re: Free, accessible TV software

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Actually most tv big names do talking sets if you go for their smart models, but the apps for online use are seldom accessible, which is a bit of a nonsense when you consider the investment they have made on talking menues, but this is really off topic here. A more general access list might give more answers for the country needed.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software




Sorry this does not exist in WIN 10. I suggest a simple HD antenna on a good ole HD TV. I know there is a piece of Software called Chris TV, but don’t know if it works with NVDA or how it works in general. Do a web search on said software.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@boeing.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:31:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Does Windows 10 not have Windows Media Center? Have you tried going to the start menu and typing Windows Media Center into the search? Maybe they call it something different in Windows 10, or have a replacement program built in for it. If you are still not sure what to do, try a Google search for Windows 10 Media Center, and it should tell you what is the new toy on the market. Sorry, I do not keep up with this stuff adequately. I just look at what I need, and learn about a new app, as I go along. I mostly use iTunes, e-mail, and the web.

Mike

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Sorry, I should have indicated TV Tuning software for use with a TV tuner adapter such as can be done using Windows Media Center under Windows 7.

On 8/1/2018 2:19 PM, Walker, Michael E wrote:
Could you provide more context on what you mean by watching TV? I
typically just go to Netflix.com in Firefox, log in, search for the
movie I want, and add it to my list, or play. You should see if what
is built into Windows 10 will work, if you need something else. Going
back to Windows 7 to watch TV is not acceptable. That tells people
developing for Windows 10 that it is okay for their software to be inaccessible.

Mike

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*bob jutzi
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 12:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.


Re: Free, accessible TV software

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To be honest, I'd not worry too much about end of life since xp is still in use and the much hyped threat of infection of these machines seems not to have materialised!


I would dispute that the Mediacentre is any good for UK tv access of ad or program guides.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


I think Windows 7 goes end of life in 2020 though, meaning you won't get security updates. That is not a viable option. Try a Google search for what the new toy on the market is. Google Windows Media Center replacement.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Thanks. Just tried a Start Menu search which brought up Microsoft's page informing me that Windows Media Center for Windows 10 has been discontinued. Hopefully there are other options but for now, there's always Windows 7.

On 8/1/2018 2:31 PM, Walker, Michael E wrote:
Does Windows 10 not have Windows Media Center? Have you tried going to the start menu and typing Windows Media Center into the search? Maybe they call it something different in Windows 10, or have a replacement program built in for it. If you are still not sure what to do, try a Google search for Windows 10 Media Center, and it should tell you what is the new toy on the market. Sorry, I do not keep up with this stuff adequately. I just look at what I need, and learn about a new app, as I go along. I mostly use iTunes, e-mail, and the web.

Mike

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bob jutzi
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Sorry, I should have indicated TV Tuning software for use with a TV tuner adapter such as can be done using Windows Media Center under Windows 7.

On 8/1/2018 2:19 PM, Walker, Michael E wrote:
Could you provide more context on what you mean by watching TV? I
typically just go to Netflix.com in Firefox, log in, search for the
movie I want, and add it to my list, or play. You should see if what
is built into Windows 10 will work, if you need something else. Going
back to Windows 7 to watch TV is not acceptable. That tells people
developing for Windows 10 that it is okay for their software to be inaccessible.

Mike

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*bob jutzi
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 12:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.












Re: Free, accessible TV software

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I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally. there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is there, kind of mindset.
However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.





Re: question about nitro pdf

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 hi! This is the link.  thanks, 
 Nick. 


Re: NVDA doesn't alt tab anymore, why?

 

Well if this is happening on your keyboard in the computer who knows could be a driver or a broken keyboard.

I have had the system or a system completely do this oddly with external wireless devices, my advice is to keep another keyboard and a supply of batteries about.

Depending on how much you use that board it can go flat quickly.

Even at full use you should be able to get 6 months to a year out of a wireless battery set as long as its a resonable unit, they don't need that much juice to run though.

On 8/2/2018 7:01 PM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
If you get an oddity like this , the first thing to try is a restart of windows to see if this fixes the issue, it is unlikely to be anything to do with nvda


From: Lisa P Geibel
Sent: 02 August 2018 06:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't alt tab anymore, why?

Hi,

Disturbingly, I woke this morning to discover that I can no longer alt
tab to get from window to window on the computer. Did something happen
or has anyone else experienced this? Any help would be greatly
appreciated. We're using the latest NVDA build along with the latest
Windows 10 build on a Lenovo computer if any of that helps.