Date   

Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Gene
 

That's unfortunate.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Hi,

No, that’s not the case in Microsoft Edge, as Control+F6 does nothing.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through different parts of the window.  If you want to move from anywhere in the main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there if you issue the command once.  That may be the case in Edge as well.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM

Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to
invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently
been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It
also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most
of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump
through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of
Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to
do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional
Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed
in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page
content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire
pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and
[Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to
hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being
released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is
implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications
more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean
they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider
testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and
stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the
bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping
Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard
shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start
using it more.

-Kenny


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Hi,

No, that’s not the case in Microsoft Edge, as Control+F6 does nothing.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through different parts of the window.  If you want to move from anywhere in the main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there if you issue the command once.  That may be the case in Edge as well.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM

Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to
invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently
been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It
also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most
of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump
through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of
Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to
do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional
Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed
in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page
content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire
pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and
[Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to
hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being
released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is
implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications
more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean
they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider
testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and
stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the
bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping
Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard
shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start
using it more.

-Kenny


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Hi,
I advise against making my try build the primary version of NVDA on your computer for three important reasons:
1. New NVDA developments may break the try build, and in many cases, my try build will be out of date with "reality" too quickly (once the new release process is fully implemented and things start to pour into alpha builds).
2. Windows 10 uses continuous delivery model. In other words, things can change at a blink of an eye. The try build I wrote yesterday assumes you've got Windows 10 Version 1709 (build 16299) or later, and for emoji panel in particular, it assumes Windows 10 Redstone 5. In recent weeks Microsoft made significant changes to emoji panel in Redstone 5 builds, which means certain things won't work as advertised in older and newer builds.
3. My try build is not an official NV Access try build. This means no updates, no official support from NV Access, things won't work as expected when installed, no touchscreen support (very important for certain Windows 10 features) and so on.

For all practical purposes, you should install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on until such time when I say all major features from that add-on become part of NVDA screen reader (right now, it isn't). That's because:
1. Windows 10 App Essentials uses continuous delivery model. Unlike most of my add-ons I created or maintain (except another one), there is no major or minor releases of this add-on (at least on paper). Latest stable versions do include new features from Insider Preview builds, bug fixes, needed features for NVDA users and what not.
2. This add-on serves as a public testing version of pull requests that'll be sent to Nv Access after a period of usage. In recent months, NV Access has incorporated features from this add-on into NVDA. In one particular case, Mick Curran took inspiration from my add-on for a feature, and throughout 2017, I wrote or helped writing features seen today, including search suggestion sounds (originally came from my add-on).

There are certain things the add-on cannot do due to hacks involved, but for many things, the add-on should suffice.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.


Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension.


Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for
now on out.


On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny







Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Gene
 

In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through different parts of the window.  If you want to move from anywhere in the main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there if you issue the command once.  That may be the case in Edge as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to
invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently
been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It
also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most
of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump
through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of
Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to
do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional
Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed
in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page
content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire
pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and
[Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to
hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being
released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is
implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications
more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean
they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider
testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and
stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the
bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping
Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard
shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start
using it more.

-Kenny



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Gary Metzler
 

Just a test.

 

Regards, Gary KN4Ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

 


Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

It would also be helpful if NVDA could pause at the end of a line where there is a hard return. This would not only make poetry reading more enjoyable, but it would also make it easier to spot hard returns when editing a document. In other words, you may have accidentally press the Enter key while typing a sentence and not realize it. I've done this myself a few times.

System Access pauses at the ends of lines where there are hard returns, so I can't imagine why NVDA couldn't be programmed to do the same. Of course some people may not want this feature, so perhaps it could be turned on or off in the preferences or with a hot key.


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.


Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension.


Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for now on out.

On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny






Re: latest NVDA & "clean my pc"

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you try the clean my pc app for free as a trial and see where that gets you? Maybe if you can, you can see if it is accessible, at least parts of it you can try.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I have a Mac, running windows via bootcamp.

I’m going to buy “clean my Mac.”
However, the company has a bundle for both Mac & pc.

Has anyone on this list used “clean my pc” with the latest version of NVDA?

Does it work well?

Thanks,
Jessica




latest NVDA & "clean my pc"

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
I have a Mac, running windows via bootcamp.

I’m going to buy “clean my Mac.”
However, the company has a bundle for both Mac & pc.

Has anyone on this list used “clean my pc” with the latest version of NVDA?

Does it work well?

Thanks,
Jessica


Re: Problem with Skype

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I just did a search on google for hot keys for skype 8 and I found the
list on the skype support page. I think skype 7 was easier to use,
but skype 8 is not as hard to use as I first thought. One thing I do
do with skype 8 is when I hit the button of someone I want to call, is
shift tab back to audio call button. These hotkeys will make things
even easier.

On 7/13/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a website where I can read this easier? I thought I kept tht in my
history but didn’t lol!

On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:52 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi!
The Skype app has become much more accessible!
Here is a table of key commands for the skype app.
The table gives the Windows and the Mac command for each action.
Here it is:
What are hotkeys and how do I use them in Skype?
Keyboard shortcuts are specific combinations of two or more keys on your
keyboard. They make it easier and faster for you to use commands that you
would otherwise have to access via the menus. You can use keyboard
shortcuts to easily quit Skype, send a file, copy text and a lot more.
Hotkeys in Skype (version 8) for Windows Desktop, and Mac
Windows desktop Hotkey
Mac Hotkey
Action
Not applicable
[Command]+[1]
Open the main Skype window
Ctrl + I
[Command]+Shift+[O]
Open Notification panel
Ctrl + , (Ctrl + comma)
[Command]+[Comma]
Open app settings
Ctrl + H
Not applicable
Open Help in default browser
Ctrl + D
[Command]+[2]
Launch main dial pad
Ctrl + N
[Command]+[N]
Start new conversation
Ctrl + G
[Command]+[G]
New group
Ctrl + F
[Command]+[F]
Search for all contacts, messages and bots
Ctrl + Shift + S
[Command]+Shift+[S]
Search within selected message
Alt + 1
Not applicable
Navigate to recent chats
Alt + 2
[Command]+Shift+[C]
Open contacts
Alt + 3
[Command]+Shift+[B]
Open contact screen to bots
Ctrl + O
[Command]+Option+[O]
Send feedback
Ctrl + R
[Command]+[R]
Refresh the app
Ctrl + T
[Command]+[T]
Open themes
Ctrl + Shift + T
[Command]+Shift+[T]
Toggle between light and dark mode
Use Alt + V to bring up the View menu to zoom in, out, or return to actual
size
Ctrl + Shift + = to zoom in
Ctrl + - to zoom out
Ctrl + 0 for actual size
Use the View button to zoom in, out, or return to actual size
[Command]+[+] to zoom in
[Command]+[-] to zoom out
[Command]+[0] for actual size
Zoom in, zoom out, or view actual size
Up arrow after sending a message
[Command]+Shift+[E]
Edit the last message sent
Ctrl + P
[Command]+[I]
Show conversation profile
Ctrl + Shift + A
[Command]+Shift+[A]
Add people to conversation
Ctrl + Shift + U
[Command]+Shift+[U]
Mark as unread
Ctrl + Shift + K
[Command]+Shift+[K]
Start a video call
Ctrl + Shift + P
[Command]+Shift+[R]
Start an audio call
Ctrl + Shift + F
[Command]+Shift+[F]
Send a file
Enter
Return
Start a PSTN call
Ctrl + Shift + G
[Command]+Shift+[G]
Open gallery
Ctrl + S
[Command]+[S]
Take a snapshot
Ctrl + E
[Command]+Shift+[H]
Hang up
Ctrl + M
[Command]+Shift+[M]
Toggle mute
Down Arrow
[Command]+[Down Arrow]
Select the next message in the chat list
Up Arrow
[Command]+[Up Arrow]
Select the previous message in the chat list

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: P. Otter <mailto:pam.otter@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype

hi, tell me about it!
for a long time from the begin it was'nt accessible.
for example, it was'nt possible to pickup a call with a shortcut.
also to end a call.
if it is changed, tell me about it.
as far i know it was not accessible.
thanks in advance
paul otter


Op 12-7-2018 om 23:16 schreef David Moore:
Wow!
The Skype app for Win10 is very accessible, and so is Web Skype where you
do everything right on a Skype website!
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Marco Oros <mailto:marco.oros93@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype

OK, maybe You didn't understand My pleasure. I would like to use
accessible version of Skype, but I can't log in to previous version,
which seens to be accessible.
Note: Skype 8 isn't very well accessible.








--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny



Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny



Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny


Re: Request for a new NVDA feature

Akshaya Choudhary
 

@JMCasey can you give me the Topic of the thread?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

Gene
 

I didn't experiment with the graphic link in Firefox.  I'm not sure what accounts for the difference between Chrome and Firefox.  But that's very interesting.  I'll play with the site with Firefox again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

Yes, I understand. I used Firefox ESR, and IE. Now I have discovered that if I press “g” to move to graphic after selecting one of the titles, and then hit enter, I can access the shop using Firefox, but I think I was missing that info before. jAWS also does not seem to detect that particular graphic link at all, or at least not consistently (though I was able to access the shop once using it all the same), but NVDA does ok with it, and armed with this particular piece of knowledge, I’ve at least been able to make a lot more progress than previously.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 13, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

 

Here is more information and its important.

 

I just checked the site using Firefox and it appears the buttons aren't seen by Firefox.  I am using the older 52.x ESR version so I don't know if quantum sees the buttons.  I had previously checked with Chrome and I saw the buttons. 

 

So everything I said in my last message is important to keep in mind on unfamiliar pages but also, it is very important to have more than one browser available and to check sites with more than one if the site isn't useable with the one being used.  At times, the difference is dramatic.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:30 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

 

Did you follow the link to the page for the specific product?  Once there, how did you look at the page?  There are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD.  It appears you didn't see them.  Did you use the links list, that limits the structures you are looking for to one structure?  Did you only move by link through the page by using a move to next link command?  Don't limit what you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page.  If you are taking a short cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure.  Tab Does.  But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so even using tab, you may miss the structure.  If you don't see it, then do it the hard way.  Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the bottom. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM

Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

 

Hello everyone.

 

I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:

http://bafflegab.co.uk/

 

I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.

 

I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?

 

 


Re: Request for a new NVDA feature

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I find the pauses SAPI5 uses to be unbearably long. Tyler Spivy, I think it was, who posts on this list, provided a solution. You can adjust the pauses to the length of your choice by editing an .ini file deep within Windows. However, every time there is a major windows update, your settings are revoked, it seems.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: July 13, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Request for a new NVDA feature

 

Someone on reddit told me that in Voice Dream Reader you can control the duration of the pauses after punctuation and sentence break. It would be great to have similar feature for NVDA.  SAPI 5 voices do provide intonation pauses, but they also provide pauses after command keys, which makes them slow for general navigation. Maybe, we could have a feature enabling the users to toggle between extended pauses and short pauses.  For general navigation short pauses will be great, like they are in Espeak, and for reading long documents long pauses would be very helpful, like they are in SAPI 5 voices.
Someone please introduce this feature.  --
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yes, I understand. I used Firefox ESR, and IE. Now I have discovered that if I press “g” to move to graphic after selecting one of the titles, and then hit enter, I can access the shop using Firefox, but I think I was missing that info before. jAWS also does not seem to detect that particular graphic link at all, or at least not consistently (though I was able to access the shop once using it all the same), but NVDA does ok with it, and armed with this particular piece of knowledge, I’ve at least been able to make a lot more progress than previously.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 13, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

 

Here is more information and its important.

 

I just checked the site using Firefox and it appears the buttons aren't seen by Firefox.  I am using the older 52.x ESR version so I don't know if quantum sees the buttons.  I had previously checked with Chrome and I saw the buttons. 

 

So everything I said in my last message is important to keep in mind on unfamiliar pages but also, it is very important to have more than one browser available and to check sites with more than one if the site isn't useable with the one being used.  At times, the difference is dramatic.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:30 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

 

Did you follow the link to the page for the specific product?  Once there, how did you look at the page?  There are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD.  It appears you didn't see them.  Did you use the links list, that limits the structures you are looking for to one structure?  Did you only move by link through the page by using a move to next link command?  Don't limit what you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page.  If you are taking a short cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure.  Tab Does.  But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so even using tab, you may miss the structure.  If you don't see it, then do it the hard way.  Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the bottom. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM

Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

 

Hello everyone.

 

I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:

http://bafflegab.co.uk/

 

I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.

 

I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?

 

 


Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey Gene.

 

I did not see those buttons. I did not use the links list. I hardly ever do. I did search for both links and buttons, the latter of which I kind of expected to see,  by arrowing around with the focus but also using the navigational keys b + shift-b.

However, for some reason, they were not showing up for me at the time.

Now though … after reading your message and poking at the site again, I have been able to see them by clicking on the link that says “graphic”. I do not know why this wasn’t visible for me before. When I use jAWS, it still doesn’t seem to be, but I was able to get the shop to pop up by clicking around the title headings. NVDA does seem to be doing better at this, as in, I can consistently find the graphic link and click on it to access the shop, but somehow in my experimentation I missed this before.

It’s very strange. Maybe it was too early in the morning for me, but I’m now not really sure how I could have missed them. That whole dialogue starting with the audio player and containing the various buttons to stream, purchase, was simply not being read, and I don’t know why. Now that I look at the address bar I can see the url has changed to shop.bafflegab.co.uk, and I don’t think that even happened before.

So it was either a site glitch or I’m much worse at this than I thought.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 13, 2018 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

 

Did you follow the link to the page for the specific product?  Once there, how did you look at the page?  There are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD.  It appears you didn't see them.  Did you use the links list, that limits the structures you are looking for to one structure?  Did you only move by link through the page by using a move to next link command?  Don't limit what you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page.  If you are taking a short cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure.  Tab Does.  But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so even using tab, you may miss the structure.  If you don't see it, then do it the hard way.  Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the bottom. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM

Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)

 

Hello everyone.

 

I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:

http://bafflegab.co.uk/

 

I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.

 

I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?

 

 


Re: Problem with Skype

Sarah k Alawami
 

Is there a website where I can read this easier? I thought I kept tht in my history but didn’t lol!

On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:52 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi!
The Skype app has become much more accessible!
Here is a table of key commands for the skype app.
The table gives the Windows and the Mac command for each action.
Here it is:
What are hotkeys and how do I use them in Skype?
Keyboard shortcuts are specific combinations of two or more keys on your keyboard. They make it easier and faster for you to use commands that you would otherwise have to access via the menus. You can use keyboard shortcuts to easily quit Skype, send a file, copy text and a lot more.
Hotkeys in Skype (version 8) for Windows Desktop, and Mac
Windows desktop Hotkey
Mac Hotkey
Action
Not applicable
[Command]+[1]
Open the main Skype window
Ctrl + I
[Command]+Shift+[O]
Open Notification panel
Ctrl + , (Ctrl + comma)
[Command]+[Comma]
Open app settings
Ctrl + H
Not applicable
Open Help in default browser
Ctrl + D
[Command]+[2]
Launch main dial pad
Ctrl + N
[Command]+[N]
Start new conversation
Ctrl + G
[Command]+[G]
New group
Ctrl + F
[Command]+[F]
Search for all contacts, messages and bots
Ctrl + Shift + S
[Command]+Shift+[S]
Search within selected message
Alt + 1
Not applicable
Navigate to recent chats
Alt + 2
[Command]+Shift+[C]
Open contacts
Alt + 3
[Command]+Shift+[B]
Open contact screen to bots
Ctrl + O
[Command]+Option+[O]
Send feedback
Ctrl + R
[Command]+[R]
Refresh the app
Ctrl + T
[Command]+[T]
Open themes
Ctrl + Shift + T
[Command]+Shift+[T]
Toggle between light and dark mode
Use Alt + V to bring up the View menu to zoom in, out, or return to actual size
Ctrl + Shift + = to zoom in
Ctrl + - to zoom out
Ctrl + 0 for actual size
Use the View button to zoom in, out, or return to actual size
[Command]+[+] to zoom in
[Command]+[-] to zoom out
[Command]+[0] for actual size
Zoom in, zoom out, or view actual size
Up arrow after sending a message
[Command]+Shift+[E]
Edit the last message sent
Ctrl + P
[Command]+[I]
Show conversation profile
Ctrl + Shift + A
[Command]+Shift+[A]
Add people to conversation
Ctrl + Shift + U
[Command]+Shift+[U]
Mark as unread
Ctrl + Shift + K
[Command]+Shift+[K]
Start a video call
Ctrl + Shift + P
[Command]+Shift+[R]
Start an audio call
Ctrl + Shift + F
[Command]+Shift+[F]
Send a file
Enter
Return
Start a PSTN call
Ctrl + Shift + G
[Command]+Shift+[G]
Open gallery
Ctrl + S
[Command]+[S]
Take a snapshot
Ctrl + E
[Command]+Shift+[H]
Hang up
Ctrl + M
[Command]+Shift+[M]
Toggle mute
Down Arrow
[Command]+[Down Arrow]
Select the next message in the chat list
Up Arrow
[Command]+[Up Arrow]
Select the previous message in the chat list
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: P. Otter
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype
 

hi, tell me about it!
for a long time from the begin it was'nt accessible.
for example, it was'nt possible to pickup a call with a shortcut.
also to end a call.
if it is changed, tell me about it.
as far i know it was not accessible.
thanks in advance
paul otter

Op 12-7-2018 om 23:16 schreef David Moore:
Wow!
The Skype app for Win10 is very accessible, and so is Web Skype where you do everything right on a Skype website!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype
 
OK, maybe You didn't understand My pleasure. I would like to use 
accessible version of Skype, but I can't log in to previous version, 
which seens to be accessible.
Note: Skype 8 isn't very well accessible.
 
 
 
 

 


Re: chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don’t think chrome has an extension to have a user agent like thing. That would be nice.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, what specific extensions do we need to install in Chrome to make the m.facebook works in Google. Care to share the link.

Robert Mendoza


On 7/13/2018 4:07 PM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
if you want that m.facebook.com works for example like in Firefox, you should install an extension in Chrome that change your user agent.
In fact the mobile version of Chrome is different from the mobile version of Firefox.
I solved in this manner and now it works well!

Il 12/07/2018 21:33, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
Mmm I find that this is not a nvda problem, it is not accessible as well with jfw18.
Regards
Davy
*From:* Davy Cuppens <mailto:davycuppens@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:23 PM
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com
Hi folks
I am making my first steps with chrome.
I find that sometimes buttons and elements are not clickable in m.facebook.com and that the tab key is not always responding normally.
F.e. if you click on a friend and wants him or her to be defriended, you can’t find that item or click the friend or follow button. I have already changed some settings like adding some accessibility tools to read webpages with the arrow keys and disabled the hardware accelerators which often is advised when working with screenreaders.
Regards
Davy